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George Rebane

Fake News – Assertions in the media (including blogosphere) disguised as news items which are purposely meant to mislead.  This includes assertions of data (facts and beliefs about the real world), information (various formatting of data to promote certain types of decisions/conclusions), and outright lies of the various types (more here).  Most, but not all, propaganda (“information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.”) is delivered as fake news.

In the spirit of promoting operational definitions on RR, ‘fake news’ has been used in this sense in my commentaries, and will continue to be so used.  Commenters who do not subscribe to this definition are welcome to offer their own in order to clarify their remarks, else the reader is invited to interpret such uses in these postings according to above definition (now added to Download RR Glossary&Semantics_v181124).


[Addendum]  Perusing the comment stream of this commentary brought to mind that we may have another important learning moment here along with another revealing peek into the working of liberal minds.  I draw your attention to Steven Frisch’s 819am comment from which we abstract the following –

“… when a new vocabulary has to be invented and the meaning of existing words interpreted or changed to fit the message….that is a pretty good indication it is propaganda…..as evidenced by George's ridiculous glossay(sic).”  (I believe he meant ‘glossary’)

The quick response to Mr Frisch’s latest contribution to the conservetarion/collectivist exchange (dare I call it debate?) in these pages came in my 1048am comment (here).  In this addendum to a new term defined, I’ll expand on my view of the century-long ‘weaponization’ (another new term) of language(s) by the global Left, and attempt a basis for how modern language grows to support the communication of ever more complex and diverse ideas.

Mr Frisch serves as a good exemplar or even a template for 21st century progressive thought, and therefor deserves an introduction to the new reader in addition to that available in these pages by simply searching ‘Frisch’.  Steven Frisch is the chief executive of Sierra Business Council (here), a carefully chosen name that instantly misinforms the casual reader about an organization that is really a strongly leftwing regional NGO which engages in the propagandizing and politicizing of progressive causes.  As such, Mr Frisch may also be considered to be among, or better yet, the leading local leftwing intellectual.  He most certainly deports himself as such, and there is nothing I want to say that diminishes his well-positioned prominence among his constituency.

In contrast, my own background – including bio, credo, and glossary (about which more later) – has always been available to the reader of these pages through the ‘About’ link and right panel.  Apropos to this addendum, I should add that as a research scientist and engineer I was privileged to spend my career in a field that over the last century has vastly expanded English (both technical and lay), along with other languages, and I have also had the opportunity to teach the tools of critical thinking to both technicians and journalists at the university graduate school level.  From such experiences many people like me have assembled a number of linguistic principles that guide and facilitate the facile and reliable communication of complex ideas.

A basic starting point is that when we communicate, we are all free to interpret words any way we wish, including their use in the currently understood vernacular.  The only thing to note is how some interpret certain critical words explicitly by openly telling all what they mean in the current context.  This, as opposed to how some others interpret words sub rosa and post hoc, inducing others to think that the interpretation of the word(s) initially used is the one commonly held.  The Left have been masters of the latter approach for over a century, and today continue that practice on steroids.

Another equally basic concept is that the utility of a language depends not only on the size of its lexicon, but also how much information each word (i.e. lexicographical string) can carry/convey.  Good languages have lots of words with very distinct meaning, preferably using the fewest characters.  In the military we are taught the three-Cs of communicating a message – it should be clear, complete, and concise.  More primitive languages have small lexicons and require lots of additional modifying words to constrain the meaning to that desired.  A broadly used language in Africa surprisingly did not have the word ‘green’ in its lexicon of colors, but did have ‘blue’.  Hence green was expressed as ‘the blue of the grass’.

One more fundamental tenet of language and thought is brought together in the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis (we have visited before in these pages) – “the structure of a language determines a native speaker's perception and categorization of experience.” – in short, you can’t think thoughts that your language does not support.  The impact of such a deficit on the advancement of a culture should be obvious, as should be the persistence of such a deficit if custom or tradition in the culture makes expanding language a taboo.

Since Sapir-Whorf has become a basic stave of modern linguistics and semantics, modern dictators ranging from Orwell’s fictional Big Brother to China’s Mao Zedong have put in practice linguistic strictures that limited their populations to form, develop, and communicate ideas detrimental to the stability of the state – e.g. expressing kinds of dissatisfaction, organizing/planning revolt, … .  Supporting such policies is the strong version of S-W which states that, in addition to determining thought, a language’s linguistic categories limit and determine cognitive categories available to the speaker.

With these basics under our belt, we can understand why a new vocabulary has always been needed and subsequently invented (by enlightened cultures) when it was required to communicate new thoughts and experiences, or to describe something more precisely or correctly to further understanding.  To do otherwise would create the Tower of Babel, that we have now managed to visit on our country, which hobbles communication and continues to promote polarization of ideologies without hope of finding a ‘common ground’ (i.e. where we start by speaking the same language) upon which we can build roads to somewhere that is acceptable to both sides.

Polarization is sustained by our speaking past each other.  RR’s attempt over the years has been to suggest means of alleviating this through more precise uses of language and reasoning, hence the availability of the host’s credo, bio, glossary.  Such communications are anathema to the progressive elites since it promises to reveal the dismal attributes of their bankrupt collectivist ideology, no matter under which variant of it they invite people to assemble.  Hence, true to the Alinsky playbook, they denigrate and attack such attempts, accusing their opposites of exactly the confusion they sow daily into the public forums.

Mr Frisch happens to be a posterchild of such a progressive elite.  Is it not hyper-hubristic to denigrate another’s good-faith attempt to communicate clearly instead of using words with malleable meanings that can later be claimed to be something other than what was heard?  What kind of a person attempts to make a mockery of someone openly revealing his belief system (ontology) and clearly defining his use of potentially confusing and already confused terms in the explication of his ideas?  I don’t want to imply here that Mr Frisch is somehow unique as an apologist and spear chucker for the progressive cause; the liberal mainstream media (aka ‘lamestream’ in these pages) overflows with commentators and ‘journalists’ who daily dispense a similar worldview in their labors to bring us all compliantly to their brave new world.

I want to conclude this little missive by giving the reader some specific examples of how the new politically correct era has mangled and continues to mangle our language.  And also illustrate how conversations between the two sides become derailed and wind up with each looking at the other over an ever wider chasm of misunderstanding.

Hero used to be a label that identified someone who has knowingly gone above and beyond the accepted norm of behavior for some recognized beneficent purpose and altruistically risk his life, limb, treasure, or honor.  In this new age of ‘self-esteem above all’, people who do an ever-wider range of things which are not above and beyond anything – i.e. non-heroic -, they get gratuitously hailed as a ‘hero’ in the press and/or public gatherings.  So when someone is later referred to as a hero, the listener has no idea what manner of ‘heroism’, if any, was required to earn that appellation.  We should understand that in the classic sense an athlete with an exemplary performance record is not a hero; nor is a firefighter on a ladder bringing down a kitten from a tree, and most certainly not a father who rushes into a burning building to save his child.  All of those behaviors would be considered normative.  In the latter case, the father was simply brave in doing what he was expected to do – in that case he might also have saved himself being known as a craven coward for letting his child perish.

But I think you get the idea, today we have no unique word for a classic hero since we have confused and diluted the term by gathering so many different meanings under its mantle.  Should our society still have a unique word that describes someone who has knowingly gone above and beyond the accepted norm of behavior for some recognized beneficent purpose to altruistically risk his life, limb, treasure, or honor?  To differentiate what we may recall as a ‘true hero’, we have to embellish the term with a story; we have to resort to the linguistic equivalence of ‘the blue of the grass’.

Climate change has also become a label used to befuddle the ill-read listener.  Climate change is now the well-used code word for ‘preventable man-made catastrophic global warming’ – all modifying terms here are necessary, since they are the foundation and raison d’etre of the politicized public image of impinging disaster, and the subsequently necessary political and economic remedies/sacrifices needed to save humanity.  Therefore, discussions in which the question ‘Do you believe in climate change?’ and ‘Are you a climate change denier?’ don’t go anywhere productive.  Why have we buried ‘preventable man-made catastrophic global warming’ under ‘climate change’, a perennial dynamic of earth’s atmosphere?  Doesn’t such an important component of public discourse deserve its own unambiguous label?  Both sides of the ‘debate’ know the same answer – it is to bamboozle the light-thinking share of the public into supporting policies that will demonstrably enlarge pro-globalist government, and weaken America (in the hegemonic sense) within the community of sovereign nation-states.

Such a politically motivated confounding also adorns the new and expanded meanings of ‘immigrant’.  We no longer have a term that uniquely can identify a person who seeks to follow American laws in his application to enter our country and join us as its citizens – in short, to participate in a lawful two-party process.  In America’s public consciousness immigrant used to evoke images of Ellis Island where stood people, fresh off the boat, in long lines waiting to be processed for entry and life in the US on the path to citizenship.  We all know that America is an exceptional nation that has and continues to benefit from such an influx of people from all over the world.  The Statue of Liberty and its appended poem then made sense of an orderly and assimilating increase of our population.  Today no more.

To illustrate how dismally and destructively politicized ‘immigrant’ has become, we are now daily being told that a person planning to illegally enter the US becomes an immigrant while still in his own dysfunctional (aka shithole) country.  How come?  Well, it turns out it’s our fault that the country is dysfunctional – we should have done something to save it – and the fact that the emigrating individual has declared the US as his destination, then automatically makes him a ward of the American taxpayer no matter how near or far he is from our border.  That being so, it is further our responsibility to ease his passage from his homeland to and through our border, our immigration laws be damned in the process.  And if in this process such people suffer any level of insufficient succor, it is again America’s fault, and doubly so if we deign to secure our border with either infrastructure (including, yes, ‘the Wall’) or appropriate personnel to repel, restrict, or repatriate the illegal entrants.  For after all, are we not a nation of immigrants?  And are they not seeking to immigrate by whatever means available?

And the semantics game is literally over once they are successful in setting foot in our land – they are then anointed as legal immigrants, pure and simple, with an abundant set of rights and benefices that far exceed those who stand and wait after following our immigration laws in their application for entry.  This is the dastardly game played by our Left as part of their larger anti-American agenda as they daily distort our history of immigration with their constant drumming of the term ‘immigrant’ in their continuing coverage of migrant and border security issues.  The sad part of this linguistic jiu-jitsu is that lame-brained conservatives and Republicans have fallen in line with this usage, having even dropped the formerly clarifying ‘illegal’ or ‘undocumented’ when referring to such people in our country.  Calling them by the proper label ‘illegal alien’ is politically incorrect and out of the question in the lamestream media and even left-migrating outlets like Fox News.  In our minds, these pre-registered Democrats belong right there in the Ellis Island photo with the other huddled masses yearning to be free.

A couple of more points – does anyone know an accepted definition of ‘social justice’ or is able to identify what is socially just?  Google it and find out.  And remember when ‘discriminate’ meant to be able to tell the difference between things, ideas, …, and when you were known as a discriminating individual, that was a social plus on your resume?  No more, today to discriminate only means to exclude and/or reject an individual on the basis of his race, gender, nationality, sexual orientation, and maybe even propensity for flatulence, all of which is manifestly politically incorrect and will invite more pejorative descriptors to be heaped on your head.  The classical definition of discriminate and discriminating have been stricken from our language, as have many others (more every day) including words like ‘niggardly’ (ungenerous, stingy) which are now prohibited as code words used by wrong-thinkers to elicit forbidden thoughts.  And in the leftist lexicon, to ‘embellish’ something is now to tell a pernicious lie.

An antidote for all this is for people in such discussions to clearly define their use of terms that may be misunderstood or terms that have already had their semantics compromised.  But as we have seen from the introduction to this dissertation, such clarity is strongly dunned by the Left as being a “pretty good indication of propaganda” – which, BTW, has also had half of its definition amputated so that now it only means “information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.”

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183 responses to “Fake News Defined (Addended)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    I didn’t intend to mean your rants are boring. However it can become boring because without critical respondents it becomes just a chest thump with the four or five regulars. Most other critics have been driven away by insults and demeaning personal statements. Being a boxer I can take a punch and enjoy the sparing session.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Would you consider a legitimate task of the press to examine whether indeed there were ““Three border patrol people yesterday very badly hurt, getting hit with rocks and stones,” as to whether that’s true or not. Has Fox news looked into it? “Very badly hurt” is specific and detailed and there should be a record. I hope Fox and others get on it.

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Watched KDCRA last night and as usual, they announced the Gallup poll on Trump. I yelled at them that the Rasmussen has it the other way. But of course they have their bias.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Re: Fakenews.
    Talk about spin. ‘I come over to make sure this site isn’t boring. Just helping out.’ Well, let’s all get down on our knees and thank our lucky stars! And Dougski got handcuffed and arrested at the Del Oro for simply trying to help poor children who could not afford to a ticket to see the Premier.
    Play those tapes playing in your head. Spin them records

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    KCRA

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 27 November 2018 at 10:27 AM
    Not really, fish. That kind of brain damaged former boxer is more prevalent with the heavier weight classes. The little guys just can’t hit as hard.

    Tell that to Duk Koo Kim!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Duk-koo

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    Rasmussen missed the mark in the election by claiming the the Pubs were up by one in the congressional but they actually lost by 8. Fox got it right when they called it for the Dems by 7. Rasmussen was not even close, they were the farthest off the mark of any major pollsters. thought you knew that.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Looks like the democrats stole another one in Con Dist 21. Anytime it is close those darn democrats find enough provisionals to win.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 11:29 AM
    Being a boxer I can take a punch and enjoy the sparing session.

    Right……that’s why you’ve stormed off in a huff on numerous occasions! “I refuse to respond to anyone who won’t use my proper name”……”I refuse to discuss subjects that rely on anecdotal evidence’…..etc.
    “….enjoy the sparring session” my ass….. you’re as big a Prima Dona as jeffy!

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    OUCH! @1204
    😉

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    Part of an old boxing tactic of faking a hit fish. It invites a predictable response from your opponent that you can take advantage of. I’m amazed you don’t recall the “rope a dope” used by Muhammad Ali.
    As sparring partners the Circle Jerks are very predictable and boring. I’m just trying to liven things up for our readers

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Part of an old boxing tactic of faking a hit fish. It invites a predictable response from your opponent that you can take advantage of. I’m amazed you don’t recall the “rope a dope” used by Muhammad Ali.
    This may be the weakest response you’ve deposited here! Don’t make me embarrassed for you Punch!

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    Any documentation Todd for your 12:03 or can we assume you made it up? Looks like the Dems are up to 40 flips in the House. that’s beyond anyone’s prediction and certainly makes it a Blue Wave.
    The Pubbers are extinct in California except for some deep country isolated pockets. I understand there are Nevada County Republicans that are consulting with relocation centers in La Malfa counties up north. That’s about all that’s left for the poor ol’ Pubsters

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well that’s a perfect example from the po’ ol’ fakenewsman @ 1222 –
    I understand there are Nevada County Republicans that are consulting with relocation centers in La Malfa counties up north.
    😉

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  15. Walt Avatar

    Paul can’t fight his way out of a paper bag. Besides. he has a glass jaw. When things get a little tough, he runs.(or hobbles off and changes the subject.) When on the ropes, he finds the trap door, and won’t be seen till the heats off.
    Paul hates America. He would rather see the Proggys run it into the ground, see everyone with crappy healthcare, pay huge taxes to be pissed away on deadbeats.
    And legislation by poll, LIBshit mob rule.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:22 PM
    I understand there are Nevada County Republicans that are consulting with relocation centers in La Malfa counties up north.

    Any documentation Punch for your 12:22 or can we assume you made it up?

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    Shows how little you know about boxing Fish. If you don’t know that you shouldn’t accept my bait to get into boxing analogies.
    This is a blast guys,keep it up. Haven’t had so much fun since the Golden Gloves in Spokane Washington. I would have won my last fight but the referee stepped on my hand.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:29 PM
    Haven’t had so much fun since the Golden Gloves in Spokane Washington.

    Yeah…..I suspected as much about your sex life.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    So you’re heading in that direction? Why are you interested in my sex live Fish? Todd is the one who likes to publicize his romps. He likes to share on this blog, blow by blows of his current computer hookups. He might even share some tips because he is sooooo successful, even surpassing Trump he claims.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Do you have anything on topic to contribute. The boys are getting a little squirrely and can’t seem to contribute anything to the topic of Fake News.

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So you must have been down on the mat for that to have happened –
    I would have won my last fight but the referee stepped on my hand.
    😉

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yeah Don, it just wasn’t fair. I was lacing up by shoes which is hard with boxing gloves on.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:43 PM
    ….. can’t seem to contribute anything to the topic of Fake News.
    That’s why you’re here Punch….to fill the days “Fake News” quota.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Weak jab Fish. You can do better. I even left you some openings but you missed out.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    Paul should be singing praises to Trump.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/27/general-motors-shares-fall-after-trump-threatens-to-cut-subsidies-for-company.html
    Paul loaths subsidies. (unless it involves his own paycheck signer)

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:51 PM

    This is as lame as you “thanking” people for “agreeing” with you!

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The total congressional vote isn’t a race, is it, Punchy? The Rasmussen error amounts to maybe one voter off per House district and they’ve copped to it, are reviewing their method. For that one number.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    So do you agree that Fox had the right methodology Gregory? they were right on the number. The Dems also had far more Senate votes even though they lost a couple of races. Approx 50 million votes for Dems to 34 million Repubs. Dems up by 19%. Combine that with the House votes and you get the total Congressional which is huge for the Dems and certainly not anything like the Rasmussen poll
    Here is a link the Senate numbers.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-senate-elections.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=2F5CFAB2493C37401AD7C37A846D2B77&gwt=pay

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    Do you collect any kind of government check Walt? Medicare, Social Security, Vets Benefits SSI etc.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1243pm – Yes, I have an addendum to this piece in the works. But you’re right, the conversation has gotten a bit putrid and off topic here – by their words (or was it ‘works’) shall they be known. Not everyone cares what kind of a trail they leave. In any case, I invite such tripe to be consigned to the nearest sandbox.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar

    I agree George
    Pardon me for my comic interlude, Gotta have a little fun once in a while. the RR Circle are a blast to taunt and jive with.

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Why ius it that democrat socialists always ask if someone is getting SSN and Medicare as if to shame them? Please, that argument is bogus. People pay in what 15% of their income to SSN and some other amount to Medicare. Therefore it is a savings account paid for by the individual and if you are an employee the company pays half. So I would suggest Paul Emery etal need a better example for trying to tell us we are all complicit in socialism.
    California democrats received and spent double what Republicans did and the R’s were victors on election night. But as we have experienced before, over the days those bonus ballots come out and overtake the legitimate victors here. Democrats have mastered the theft of elections as good as Tammany did in NYC.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 01:25 PM
    Like I said…..as sad as you “thanking” people for “agreeing” with you!

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar

    Lets take this to the Sandbox Todd -Georges request.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 01:25 PM
    ]Thanks for agreeing with me that you are unserious in your postings here. I always knew that and that is why I don’t answer your ludicrous questions. But I do have fun taunting you and your bias.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar

    Very serious Todd. Are you? Your ” R’s were victors on election night. ” is some kind of joke. Really cracked me up.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Go look and get back to me after you self-flagellate for your denial of the truth.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Denial of what truth
    Todd?

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  39. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Oh great. I leave for 8 hours and the Paul ‘n Todd show manage to spew out a few pages worth of non sequiturs.
    It’s like watching an inexperienced RV owner empty their black tank. Anyone who was around USENET got that back and forth BS out of their system 25 years ago. I would give a lot for a blocking feature here, there’s nothing charming about 12 year old 72 year olds.
    re: Fake News. Just imagine the fun when the AIs get better and better at it. You can already test multiple markets simultaneously with a message and get real time results as to it’s efficacy. Those social media propaganda sweatshops that the Five Eyes and Russkies run are going to look like buggy whips soon enough, the commercial interests will continue to stay way ahead. The thing that I didn’t foresee was the shift at near-monopolies like Twitter from selling soap to selling the desirability of open borders and the 57 genders.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    scenes 227pm – good points. And I’d love to see an AI plug-in app from TypePad that would automatically block those 12 going on 70 something. Maybe RR should have a new category labeled ‘Name Calling and Other Shit’, you think?

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    And what pray tell did I write that got scenes panties in a wad?

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 27 November 2018 at 03:42 PM
    He’s just getting tired of our charming hi-jinks (hows that for a word that’s fallen out of favor) Todd! It happens!

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Hi-jinks? LOL! It is a travesty I tell you!

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  44. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “And what pray tell did I write that got scenes panties in a wad?”
    Because that back and forth bitchiness gets tiring after a while.
    Paul dangles his worm in the water and everyone just latches on. and on. and on. The fact that a ‘news director’ acts like this in public is just flat wrong, but it takes two to tango.
    “‘Name Calling and Other Shit’”
    I rather like it, go for it. Maybe call it ‘alt.politics’ or ‘alt.tasteless’. Modern times are interesting in that at places like reddit, there’s a strong segregation in effect.
    Just thinking about fake news, in this case highly opinionated news, maybe the difference between now and 100 years ago is the monopoly that one party has in mass media. The days of two newspaper towns is over. Once news production is monopolized in major metro areas and politics is split between urban and suburban/rural balance is lost. AM radio being the exception of course. News was always opinionated, but now there’s only one opinion. There’s Fox, but even that just represents Chamber of Commerce Republicans I think.
    The really interesting thing to keep an eye on is grassroots news sites and youtube channels. The push is on to remove them whenever possible, but I think that it’s just as much the financial threat they represent to MSM as much as politics.

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 27 November 2018 at 05:15 PM
    The “name calling”…. the left started it…..reveled in it…….every lefty just certain that he was the next Lenny Bruce. This until…..until anybody “not left” got better at it. Then the whining for “proper decorum” and civilized discourse” started. These pleas always fall by the wayside when a Green Libertarian™ thinks he’s stumbled on a new more effective type of snark, much like RR’s resident dimwit attempted with his tedious boxing references this afternoon!

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    scenes 515pm – I think your point is on the mark, the competition of opinions is on the wane and has pretty much become a network of regional monopolies. And the internet has removed the ‘regional’ restriction but provided so many voices that for any one individual most of the web is realistically invisible. You have to become your own news and opinion assembler, and that is hard for most people to pull off in a way that gives them several viewpoints. When I was a kid in Indianapolis, the city had three major newspapers and a handful of minor ones that served the outlying county areas. Those days are gone forever.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @5:15 pm
    “The really interesting thing to keep an eye on is grassroots news sites and youtube channels. The push is on to remove them whenever possible, but I think that it’s just as much the financial threat they represent to MSM as much as politics.”
    The TV guy is going to be dead. Sorry Acosta, you won’t be watched either. The new platforms are going to be social media and YouTube. With that said, social media platforms are now the old telephone service. From e-mails, to citizen reporter p to this blog, the platform has become the publisher. Like the original landlines to transmit information, today’s platforms are in really publishers and should be regulated. But, but, but they are a private company! Yeah, so is the American Telephone & Telegraph Company. Twitter and FB and You Tube are publishers….

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  48. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: BillT
    Compare PewDiePie (a youtube guy who is not a Green Libertarian) views vs. CNN. Dead man walking in the networks’ case, although I expect they’ll just evolve into something different. Or merely cut costs over time.
    Political censorship is a real thing on the net (near) monopolies though. Given the expense of putting together truly large streaming services and the ability of MSM+Green Libertarian activist groups to shut down evil sites at various levels, I’m not sure if you’ll see alternative mechanisms be successful. Look at the way Voat or Gab have been chased around the internet.
    The thing is, MSM in combination with the 17 intelligence agencies, monied interests generally, and the crack KVMR news desk have a lot of resources and they fight dirty.
    It would be ironic if the Russians subsidized Western free speech efforts but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit. I’d say that the modern Western Left, which is larger/wealthier/urban that it’s counterpart, will attempt to set up a velvet-gloved version of China’s internet fist. The Right, so far as I see it coalescing, is still mostly a grassroots movement and simply doesn’t have enough financial and organizational traction to overcome a descent into a controlled internet. Obviously, I could be wrong though.

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