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George Rebane

Fake News – Assertions in the media (including blogosphere) disguised as news items which are purposely meant to mislead.  This includes assertions of data (facts and beliefs about the real world), information (various formatting of data to promote certain types of decisions/conclusions), and outright lies of the various types (more here).  Most, but not all, propaganda (“information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.”) is delivered as fake news.

In the spirit of promoting operational definitions on RR, ‘fake news’ has been used in this sense in my commentaries, and will continue to be so used.  Commenters who do not subscribe to this definition are welcome to offer their own in order to clarify their remarks, else the reader is invited to interpret such uses in these postings according to above definition (now added to Download RR Glossary&Semantics_v181124).


[Addendum]  Perusing the comment stream of this commentary brought to mind that we may have another important learning moment here along with another revealing peek into the working of liberal minds.  I draw your attention to Steven Frisch’s 819am comment from which we abstract the following –

“… when a new vocabulary has to be invented and the meaning of existing words interpreted or changed to fit the message….that is a pretty good indication it is propaganda…..as evidenced by George's ridiculous glossay(sic).”  (I believe he meant ‘glossary’)

The quick response to Mr Frisch’s latest contribution to the conservetarion/collectivist exchange (dare I call it debate?) in these pages came in my 1048am comment (here).  In this addendum to a new term defined, I’ll expand on my view of the century-long ‘weaponization’ (another new term) of language(s) by the global Left, and attempt a basis for how modern language grows to support the communication of ever more complex and diverse ideas.

Mr Frisch serves as a good exemplar or even a template for 21st century progressive thought, and therefor deserves an introduction to the new reader in addition to that available in these pages by simply searching ‘Frisch’.  Steven Frisch is the chief executive of Sierra Business Council (here), a carefully chosen name that instantly misinforms the casual reader about an organization that is really a strongly leftwing regional NGO which engages in the propagandizing and politicizing of progressive causes.  As such, Mr Frisch may also be considered to be among, or better yet, the leading local leftwing intellectual.  He most certainly deports himself as such, and there is nothing I want to say that diminishes his well-positioned prominence among his constituency.

In contrast, my own background – including bio, credo, and glossary (about which more later) – has always been available to the reader of these pages through the ‘About’ link and right panel.  Apropos to this addendum, I should add that as a research scientist and engineer I was privileged to spend my career in a field that over the last century has vastly expanded English (both technical and lay), along with other languages, and I have also had the opportunity to teach the tools of critical thinking to both technicians and journalists at the university graduate school level.  From such experiences many people like me have assembled a number of linguistic principles that guide and facilitate the facile and reliable communication of complex ideas.

A basic starting point is that when we communicate, we are all free to interpret words any way we wish, including their use in the currently understood vernacular.  The only thing to note is how some interpret certain critical words explicitly by openly telling all what they mean in the current context.  This, as opposed to how some others interpret words sub rosa and post hoc, inducing others to think that the interpretation of the word(s) initially used is the one commonly held.  The Left have been masters of the latter approach for over a century, and today continue that practice on steroids.

Another equally basic concept is that the utility of a language depends not only on the size of its lexicon, but also how much information each word (i.e. lexicographical string) can carry/convey.  Good languages have lots of words with very distinct meaning, preferably using the fewest characters.  In the military we are taught the three-Cs of communicating a message – it should be clear, complete, and concise.  More primitive languages have small lexicons and require lots of additional modifying words to constrain the meaning to that desired.  A broadly used language in Africa surprisingly did not have the word ‘green’ in its lexicon of colors, but did have ‘blue’.  Hence green was expressed as ‘the blue of the grass’.

One more fundamental tenet of language and thought is brought together in the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis (we have visited before in these pages) – “the structure of a language determines a native speaker's perception and categorization of experience.” – in short, you can’t think thoughts that your language does not support.  The impact of such a deficit on the advancement of a culture should be obvious, as should be the persistence of such a deficit if custom or tradition in the culture makes expanding language a taboo.

Since Sapir-Whorf has become a basic stave of modern linguistics and semantics, modern dictators ranging from Orwell’s fictional Big Brother to China’s Mao Zedong have put in practice linguistic strictures that limited their populations to form, develop, and communicate ideas detrimental to the stability of the state – e.g. expressing kinds of dissatisfaction, organizing/planning revolt, … .  Supporting such policies is the strong version of S-W which states that, in addition to determining thought, a language’s linguistic categories limit and determine cognitive categories available to the speaker.

With these basics under our belt, we can understand why a new vocabulary has always been needed and subsequently invented (by enlightened cultures) when it was required to communicate new thoughts and experiences, or to describe something more precisely or correctly to further understanding.  To do otherwise would create the Tower of Babel, that we have now managed to visit on our country, which hobbles communication and continues to promote polarization of ideologies without hope of finding a ‘common ground’ (i.e. where we start by speaking the same language) upon which we can build roads to somewhere that is acceptable to both sides.

Polarization is sustained by our speaking past each other.  RR’s attempt over the years has been to suggest means of alleviating this through more precise uses of language and reasoning, hence the availability of the host’s credo, bio, glossary.  Such communications are anathema to the progressive elites since it promises to reveal the dismal attributes of their bankrupt collectivist ideology, no matter under which variant of it they invite people to assemble.  Hence, true to the Alinsky playbook, they denigrate and attack such attempts, accusing their opposites of exactly the confusion they sow daily into the public forums.

Mr Frisch happens to be a posterchild of such a progressive elite.  Is it not hyper-hubristic to denigrate another’s good-faith attempt to communicate clearly instead of using words with malleable meanings that can later be claimed to be something other than what was heard?  What kind of a person attempts to make a mockery of someone openly revealing his belief system (ontology) and clearly defining his use of potentially confusing and already confused terms in the explication of his ideas?  I don’t want to imply here that Mr Frisch is somehow unique as an apologist and spear chucker for the progressive cause; the liberal mainstream media (aka ‘lamestream’ in these pages) overflows with commentators and ‘journalists’ who daily dispense a similar worldview in their labors to bring us all compliantly to their brave new world.

I want to conclude this little missive by giving the reader some specific examples of how the new politically correct era has mangled and continues to mangle our language.  And also illustrate how conversations between the two sides become derailed and wind up with each looking at the other over an ever wider chasm of misunderstanding.

Hero used to be a label that identified someone who has knowingly gone above and beyond the accepted norm of behavior for some recognized beneficent purpose and altruistically risk his life, limb, treasure, or honor.  In this new age of ‘self-esteem above all’, people who do an ever-wider range of things which are not above and beyond anything – i.e. non-heroic -, they get gratuitously hailed as a ‘hero’ in the press and/or public gatherings.  So when someone is later referred to as a hero, the listener has no idea what manner of ‘heroism’, if any, was required to earn that appellation.  We should understand that in the classic sense an athlete with an exemplary performance record is not a hero; nor is a firefighter on a ladder bringing down a kitten from a tree, and most certainly not a father who rushes into a burning building to save his child.  All of those behaviors would be considered normative.  In the latter case, the father was simply brave in doing what he was expected to do – in that case he might also have saved himself being known as a craven coward for letting his child perish.

But I think you get the idea, today we have no unique word for a classic hero since we have confused and diluted the term by gathering so many different meanings under its mantle.  Should our society still have a unique word that describes someone who has knowingly gone above and beyond the accepted norm of behavior for some recognized beneficent purpose to altruistically risk his life, limb, treasure, or honor?  To differentiate what we may recall as a ‘true hero’, we have to embellish the term with a story; we have to resort to the linguistic equivalence of ‘the blue of the grass’.

Climate change has also become a label used to befuddle the ill-read listener.  Climate change is now the well-used code word for ‘preventable man-made catastrophic global warming’ – all modifying terms here are necessary, since they are the foundation and raison d’etre of the politicized public image of impinging disaster, and the subsequently necessary political and economic remedies/sacrifices needed to save humanity.  Therefore, discussions in which the question ‘Do you believe in climate change?’ and ‘Are you a climate change denier?’ don’t go anywhere productive.  Why have we buried ‘preventable man-made catastrophic global warming’ under ‘climate change’, a perennial dynamic of earth’s atmosphere?  Doesn’t such an important component of public discourse deserve its own unambiguous label?  Both sides of the ‘debate’ know the same answer – it is to bamboozle the light-thinking share of the public into supporting policies that will demonstrably enlarge pro-globalist government, and weaken America (in the hegemonic sense) within the community of sovereign nation-states.

Such a politically motivated confounding also adorns the new and expanded meanings of ‘immigrant’.  We no longer have a term that uniquely can identify a person who seeks to follow American laws in his application to enter our country and join us as its citizens – in short, to participate in a lawful two-party process.  In America’s public consciousness immigrant used to evoke images of Ellis Island where stood people, fresh off the boat, in long lines waiting to be processed for entry and life in the US on the path to citizenship.  We all know that America is an exceptional nation that has and continues to benefit from such an influx of people from all over the world.  The Statue of Liberty and its appended poem then made sense of an orderly and assimilating increase of our population.  Today no more.

To illustrate how dismally and destructively politicized ‘immigrant’ has become, we are now daily being told that a person planning to illegally enter the US becomes an immigrant while still in his own dysfunctional (aka shithole) country.  How come?  Well, it turns out it’s our fault that the country is dysfunctional – we should have done something to save it – and the fact that the emigrating individual has declared the US as his destination, then automatically makes him a ward of the American taxpayer no matter how near or far he is from our border.  That being so, it is further our responsibility to ease his passage from his homeland to and through our border, our immigration laws be damned in the process.  And if in this process such people suffer any level of insufficient succor, it is again America’s fault, and doubly so if we deign to secure our border with either infrastructure (including, yes, ‘the Wall’) or appropriate personnel to repel, restrict, or repatriate the illegal entrants.  For after all, are we not a nation of immigrants?  And are they not seeking to immigrate by whatever means available?

And the semantics game is literally over once they are successful in setting foot in our land – they are then anointed as legal immigrants, pure and simple, with an abundant set of rights and benefices that far exceed those who stand and wait after following our immigration laws in their application for entry.  This is the dastardly game played by our Left as part of their larger anti-American agenda as they daily distort our history of immigration with their constant drumming of the term ‘immigrant’ in their continuing coverage of migrant and border security issues.  The sad part of this linguistic jiu-jitsu is that lame-brained conservatives and Republicans have fallen in line with this usage, having even dropped the formerly clarifying ‘illegal’ or ‘undocumented’ when referring to such people in our country.  Calling them by the proper label ‘illegal alien’ is politically incorrect and out of the question in the lamestream media and even left-migrating outlets like Fox News.  In our minds, these pre-registered Democrats belong right there in the Ellis Island photo with the other huddled masses yearning to be free.

A couple of more points – does anyone know an accepted definition of ‘social justice’ or is able to identify what is socially just?  Google it and find out.  And remember when ‘discriminate’ meant to be able to tell the difference between things, ideas, …, and when you were known as a discriminating individual, that was a social plus on your resume?  No more, today to discriminate only means to exclude and/or reject an individual on the basis of his race, gender, nationality, sexual orientation, and maybe even propensity for flatulence, all of which is manifestly politically incorrect and will invite more pejorative descriptors to be heaped on your head.  The classical definition of discriminate and discriminating have been stricken from our language, as have many others (more every day) including words like ‘niggardly’ (ungenerous, stingy) which are now prohibited as code words used by wrong-thinkers to elicit forbidden thoughts.  And in the leftist lexicon, to ‘embellish’ something is now to tell a pernicious lie.

An antidote for all this is for people in such discussions to clearly define their use of terms that may be misunderstood or terms that have already had their semantics compromised.  But as we have seen from the introduction to this dissertation, such clarity is strongly dunned by the Left as being a “pretty good indication of propaganda” – which, BTW, has also had half of its definition amputated so that now it only means “information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.”

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183 responses to “Fake News Defined (Addended)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 133pm – Paul, you are again putting the wrong words in my mouth – please reread my 111pm. Trump put a hopeful spin on a complex international trade deal that may well turn out to be true. Obama told purposeful lies about Obamacare that he already knew would directly affect EVERY American in the pocketbook – recall, Obama is my champion liar of the 21st century. I think the two types of statements are very different in almost every dimension.
    But should presidents be expected/allowed to put such spins on their public pronouncements – hell yes, they have done so from the beginning of our Republic. The most recent champion liar (of the 20th century) was FDR, the public knew his ‘altering of facts as necessary’, and they loved him, because he sold hope during a difficult time (which he foolishly but unintentionally extended).

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So to summarize, in your view Trumps false announcement about the economic impacts of the possible disruption of trade with the Saudis was not a “purposeful lie” and did fuel Fake News. The opposite is true of Obama and his Obamacare announcement.
    Would you have given Obama the same latitude as trump if it was he that claimed the economic impacts of the Saudi situation?

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Also George, in your opinion is Obama is more of a liar than Richard “I am not a crook” Nixon?
    “Obama is my champion liar of the 21st century”
    Rebane 1:50

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 213pm – ?? you meant “… and did NOT fuel Fake News.”?? Obama would not only have gotten the same pass from me, but he would have received plaudits for showing his understanding of such trade deals and promoting them with our allies instead of enemies.
    I think what Nixon did re Watergate was criminal, and what Obama did implementing his “fundamental transformation” was anti-American. But I don’t have a metric to compare (rank or rate) their abilities to lie. Most certainly Obama’s lies were more impactive on the people than were Nixon’s.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Hmmm
    The unnecessary expansion of the Viet Nam War into Cambodia certainly
    did impact all the soldiers that died in the extended warfare that resulted. that was all fed by lies of course.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Georege
    Would this be an appropriate extension of the defination of Fake News
    False information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread through Govenmnment propoganda to help harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation,or to influence public opinion as it relates to government policy or actions.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    All three M
    Good ol Pretty Boy Kushner getting in on the action. The truth will come out soon as to his business deals with the Saudis while on the public payroll.

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  8. Scott O Avatar

    BT – the last link to the CNN clip clearly showed the bias and lack of knowledge and awareness on the part of the jackass from CNN.
    If he had listened to the border patrol official, he wouldn’t have kept asking if the ‘process’ was quicker and smoother then the border patrol’s job would be easier. He was told most of the rioters at the border wouldn’t qualify for asylum (as if they cared) and they would still just try to breach our borders anyway. I would love to have just one single left wing loony explain what part of illegal they fail to comprehend.
    Maybe the jackass from CNN can leave the studio and start throwing rocks at the police and see what happens.

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  9. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – RM admitted that ‘we’ don’t know what Trump’s motives are. She established no quid pro quo of any kind. She asserted facts she provided no documentation for. Smirking and shrugging are not arguments nor are they facts. Try again, little boy.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 425pm – You have presented a special case for fake news. Making that a necessary part of the definition narrows its meaning – e.g. what would we then call it if we substitute ‘NGO’ for ‘Government’? The overarching definition above already includes all the sins; all you’ve done here is to identify a specific source for the fake news which itself can come from anyplace. The information you’re trying to convey can simply be stated as ‘government’s fake news’ or ‘fake news from the government’ (of which there is plenty).

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Good ol Pretty Boy Kushner getting in on the action. The truth will come out soon as to his business deals with the Saudis while on the public payroll.
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 November 2018 at 04:44 PM”
    Punchy, if you think he’s a “Pretty Boy”, perhaps that’s your Greek Heritage speaking. It just sounds silly to me. A denigration that is unbecoming a serious news person, not that anyone could confuse you with a serious news person.
    And your guess that “the truth will come out soon” seems to be a Carnac the Magnificent parlor trick… BS. Fake News. A big guess by you that tells us more about you than anything about Trump and Trump’s extended family.

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  12. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    G @742 – There are a lot of psychological layers there.
    😉

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    Sure George
    No problem with that extended definition. It means that the word “news” is more broad than information just coming from media “news” sources. they may however report on fakd news by reporting what was said by a government entity or whatever. Such as “President Trump today said that he won the electorial college by the greatest margin in history” and they are not guilty of fake news since they were reporting what someone or something else claims,

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    What does that tell you about me Gregory? Mueller will conclude his investigation and reveal much information. do you dispute that?

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Spin, damage control, paid advocates, spin doctors, crisis management, advertising all can have a truth but overlay perspectives with a goal to convince. Unfortunately what used to be news now is all filtered by urban agendas. Lets not forget that as soon as there was a printing press it was so. Now its the masters of the universe who can throttle anything on the internet that does not fit the approved PC line that the po’ ol’ fankenewmen parrot endlessly.
    News –
    newly received or noteworthy information, especially about recent or important events.
    RR is a forum where News flows freely, news you may not otherwise have heard about and then there’s the trolls.
    😉

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  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 818pm, do you deny you don’t have a bloody clue what information Mueller will reveal?
    You’re making stuff up.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 756pm – I think you’re totally missing the crisp semantic of ‘fake news’ with your casual narrowing it with “government or whatever”. My definition for fake news stands for my use of the term. You may do with yours as you will, but your current tack on the definition is heading toward a semantic haze – no one will know what exactly you mean with that term.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trunmp job approval three up on the day. Way to go and now another R for the Senate.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Who do you believe in this situation?
    “President Donald Trump told the White House press pool Monday that three Border Patrol agents were hurt by migrants throwing rocks and stones at them — just as the agency’s commissioner denied that anyone had been injured.”
    “Three border patrol people yesterday were very badly hurt, getting hit with rocks and stones,” the president reportedly said.
    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/border-patrol-commissioner-contradicts-trumps-claim-agents-badly-hurt-rock-throwing-migrants/
    Also in the article
    “Yesterday, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents and officers in San Diego effectively managed an extremely dangerous situation involving over 1,000 individuals who sought to enter the U.S. unlawfully in large groups,” McAleenan wrote.
    “They did so safely and without any reported serious injuries on either side of the border,”
    So who do you believe George? Is the President guilty of lying about the incident to further his cause or is the report incomplete or not credible?

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    I said Mueller will reveal his information Gregory. Do you have a clue what Mueller will reveal Gregory?

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  21. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 818pm, do you deny you don’t have a bloody clue what information Mueller will reveal?
    You’re making stuff up.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    One of the things Paul made up:
    “The truth will come out soon as to his business deals with the Saudis while [“pretty boy Kushner” was] on the public payroll.”

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 818pm,
    Do you deny you don’t have a bloody clue what information Mueller will reveal?

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    I believe we have a den of crooks and thieves in the White House and time will bear witness to my accusation. No need for me to prove anything. I could care less if you believe me. You still support the Rasmussen poll which shows how deluded you are.

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 818pm, do you deny you don’t have a bloody clue what information Mueller will reveal?
    Answer the question.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I report, you decide:
    “Mueller will conclude his investigation and reveal much information. do you dispute that?”
    Hmmm. Much information. Much information. Much information. Much information.
    “I said Mueller will reveal his information Gregory”
    ———————————————————————————————+++++
    Had to check this out for myself and rewatch the Acosta-Trump sparring at the presser. Yes, Acosta did say the migrants would not be climbing over the border fences, lol. In fact, in earlier accounts, the press said that the ‘caravan’ was just a figment of Trump’s imagination. There is no caravan! Trump made it up. There is NO caravan, lol
    Fakenews? Hume nails it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/5971846744001/?fbclid=IwAR2VYKSMOhzGY4W-6SzVlUWFBt9QqXLK4x3f_UchJ6UNwt6e1wHdA_JB7Qg#sp=show-clips
    Yep, and there are no “no go zones” in France or Sweden either. Just another figment of Trump’s imagination.

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “You still support the Rasmussen poll which shows how deluded you are.”
    Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight still lists them seriously… yes or no, Punch? Yes or no?
    Your purely partisan delusions blind you.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yes as does RCP polls. Do you accept they were way of the mark in the midterms, yes or no.

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  29. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    As a break from today’s edition of Paul’s Ruminations, I thought I’d mention one of my favorite ‘fake news’ examples. The memory hole.
    Back when you had a print edition of a newspaper, it was darned hard to change your mind in an invisible way. Now, modern media sources find it easy to go to press early with some incendiary story, be proven utterly wrong, pull or change the story as if nothing happened.
    Some have go so far as to block web archiving from trawling their sites claiming that evil alt-right people are ‘misusing’ the history you can dig out there.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if Paul’s good friends, the 17 intelligence agencies, are thinking about ways to filter the internet in more subtle ways. It isn’t like monkeying with the contents of a data center is the only way to feed the people a desired message.
    As I might have mentioned before, like Julian Assange sez, speaking openly is not a measure of the amount of free speech in a society, but only shows the degree that the elite feels confident in their position. It’ll go away in a moment if they feel threatened.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 921pm – I haven’t a clue who’s telling the truth about the extent of injuries. But I’d bet that the President is putting the max spin on it to justify the use of tear gas. BTW, I think the use of tear gas was totally justified as soon as they started throwing rocks, etc at our border guards – no injuries required.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 November 2018 at 10:01 PM
    I could care less if you believe me……..

    Then why the constant flow of Punchy brand gibbering? I mean if you thought you could convince anybody here or change a mind or two I’d get it…but really…..?

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    More fakenews, aka The Wall Of Falsehoods. I report, you decide.
    Short story:
    https://www.mrctv.org/videos/cable-news-erects-wall-falsehoods-around-caravan?fbclid=IwAR3AkV1v3cbUKn0TGh_VgLuqAbApiJT80XKggkeLztaIB1Z3HQ_NWxzAA10
    A wee bit longer story:
    Mexican Interior Minister Navarrete Prida in an October 30 interview on Radio Enfoque (Focus) 100.1 FM substantiated DHS’s assertion of gang members in the caravan: “I have videos from Guatemala that show men dressed in identical clothing, sporting the same haircuts, handing out money to women to persuade them to move to the front of the caravan… we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktails.”
    Mexican Ambassador to the U.S. Gerónimo Gutiérrez recently confirmed the presence of a criminal element in the caravan. As of November 1, DHS had identified at least 270 individuals in the caravan with criminal backgrounds, according to a press release from the department.
    There have been reports of migrants committing crime against fellow caravan members. As reported by numerous news outlets – including the Washington Post – on October 29, a man in the caravan attempted to abduct a child who was also making the trip north. That same piece from the Post also describes cocaine and marijuana being sold openly.
    The ranks of those burying this information includes not just frequent panelists, but CNN and MSNBC employees as well. CNN chief political analyst Jeff Toobin on New Day November 3 complained of President Trump: “He’s got this fantasy of this caravan.”
    On November 1, CNN political commentator Symone Sanders shouted over former McCain presidential campaign adviser Adolfo Franco when he claimed (accurately) that the caravan was being supported by an NGO called Pueblo Sin Fronteras: “This is — stop, stop, this a conspiracy theory. This is a lie, Jake. This is a conspiracy theory.”
    Liberal cable media are hellbent on maintaining as positive an image of the caravan as possible, as demonstrated by their refusal to acknowledge any evidence that might conflict with their sympathetic reporting. At best, this narrative-weaving on CNN and MSNBC betrays a reckless ignorance of the facts; at worst, it constitutes deliberate mendacity.
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2018/11/26/cable-news-erects-wall-falsehoods-around-caravan
    Favorite quote: “This is Trump’s Reichstag theory. It is a lie.”

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George is it ok for a President to use ” max spin ” on a news story to influence public support and when does that
    cross the threshold and become a lie and spreading Fake News? there must be some point that it crosses over.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Here’s the deal Fish. there are many other people who read this blog upon occasion and it’s incredibly boring to just read Georges topical rant and then hear the predictable chest thumping’s from the usual Circle of Jerks that add nothing new to the conversation. There is no intent on my part to change any of your minds but a sparing session is still fun for an ol boxer like me. By tyhe way Gregory I kinda like being called Punchy. It’s cute…thanks.
    Thanks for the diversion.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don B @ 8:26 pm 11/26/2018
    Perhaps one of Don’s best posts. It’s all spin and it’s been all spin all the time for quite a long time, at least for the last two hundred years.
    “Spin, damage control, paid advocates, spin doctors, crisis management, advertising all can have a truth but overlay perspectives with a goal to convince. Unfortunately what used to be news now is all filtered by urban agendas. Lets not forget that as soon as there was a printing press it was so. Now its the masters of the universe who can throttle anything on the Internet…..”
    Ben Rhodes telling the press that we are working with the moderate faction in the Iranian therocacy. There are no moderate elements in the Iranian Government.
    It is human nature to paint oneself in the best possible light by downplaying one’s own flaws, exaggerate one’s good points, and simultaneously exaggerating the faults of one’s oppentents…as well as overlooking one’s adversaries’ good points.
    If I would change just one word of Don’s post above, I would change the word ‘urban’ to the more current word ‘cosmopolitan’:
    “Unfortunately what used to be news now is all filtered by cosmopolitan agendas.” Or virtue signaling.

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  36. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    Posted by: fish | 27 November 2018 at 08:52 AM
    ,,,if you thought you could convince anybody here or change a mind or two I’d get it,,,

    yes Paul,,,fishbrain is happy inspecting diapers,,,it gives him a warm feeling,,,don’t try to change his mind,,,he lives for fake news and BS from the dotard in chief
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/us/politics/farmers-aid-trade-war.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/26/business/gm-oshawa-plant/index.html
    https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/22/news/companies/gm-chevy-blazer-mexico/index.html
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/11/26/trump-is-failing-miserably-on-his-biggest-issue-and-hes-covering-it-up-with-lies/?utm_term=.a30488d3c64e

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    fish

    Posted by: M | 27 November 2018 at 09:42 AM
    Well I’ll tell you Diaper Man between you and Punchinello its like shooting dairy cattle with a high powered rifle…..there’s no sport in it!
    It must hurt to be your degree of idiotic!

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    Paul Emery

    Fish
    You’ve already lost the argument so give it up. Jeez, what an idiot.

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    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 09:53 AM
    You’ve already lost the argument so give it up. Jeez, what an idiot.

    Thanks Punch…..never stop being you! 😉

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    Gregory

    Punch 833am
    “Sparing session”?
    adj.
    Given to or marked by prudence and restraint in the use of material resources.
    adj.
    Deficient or limited in quantity, fullness, or extent.
    adj.
    Forbearing; lenient.
    Or did you mean “sparring”?
    Your nickname, Punchy, was inspired by your obvious punching for punching’s sake. In other words, sparring. That’s all you do. You’re just as bad as Todd J. Maybe worse.
    Regarding Rasmussen, their result for the “generic Congressional ballot” was off, and even they admit that. Go back to my comment where I quoted their response and you’ll have what you asked for. Again.

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    Paul Emery

    Oh so now you’re reverting to being a grammar instructor. Now THATS really boring. Come one, Give us a break I’m truing to help my friend draw George a crowd
    All for now

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    Gregory

    Grammar? That was vocabulary. The wrong word.
    Bad punching.

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    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 27 November 2018 at 10:02 AM
    Your nickname, Punchy, was inspired by your obvious punching for punching’s sake.

    I was under the assumption that “Punchy” was chosen due to the quality of his argument and general level of discourse.
    “Punchy” as in taken too many blows to the head!

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    Gregory

    Not really, fish. That kind of brain damaged former boxer is more prevalent with the heavier weight classes. The little guys just can’t hit as hard.

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    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    boring boring wanna be school teacher

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    PaulE 913am – Presidents (and all politicians) have been using ‘max spin’ for as long as there has been a presidency. I hope you knew that. If not, well, another benefit of visiting these pages.
    And BTW, I do very much appreciate your contributions, especially since as you observe, “it’s incredibly boring to just read Georges topical rants”. I been wondering what has contributed to the size of my readership over the years. Now I know; thanks again.

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    Bill Tozer

    Punch Drunk One, an older phrase used by a prior generation, appeared two to three times on these pages before the abbreviated a label “Punchy” stuck for good. I thought it was like what another generation used to called “rummy”. Punch Drunk, Or maybe one who drinks the Leftinista Punch….or the Jim Jones kool-aide.
    English Language Learners Definition of punch-drunk. of a boxer : confused and unable to speak or move normally because of being punched many times in the head. : unable to think or act normally because you are very tired, excited, etc.
    BTW, Popinjay is an antiquated word for parrot. Punch Drunk Parrot.
    The ref jumps in, briefly stops the fight and asked the staggering boxer how many fingers is he holding up. The reply is, “All of them.”

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