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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 21 November 2018.]

President Trump announced yesterday that the US would not pursue the Khashoggi murder by Saudi government agents.  The president’s reasoning was clear and eminently rational.  As anticipated, our leftwing received it with howls of disapproval that accused the president of all manner of sins violating international norms founded on morals and ethics and law and human rights and God knows what else they could pile on, when the decision actually violated nothing of the sort.  BTW, full disclosure, even some Republican politicians got their noses out of joint.

Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi was a dissident Saudi journalist whose commentary and news coverage were critical of the kingdom’s ruling Saud family.  In mid-east countries like Saudi Arabia you don’t get to mess with the rulers without some consequences coming your way.  Let’s face it, that is their culture, these are not nations of laws with guaranteed rights and constitutional strictures which prescribe what their governments can and cannot do.  Most nations in the second and third worlds are ruled by ruthless men who are corrupt autocrats at best, and cruel tyrants at worst.


America and other western countries that claim to be governed by laws have always made nice with these less-developed and more brutal countries for the simple reason that it was in our national interest to do so.  Everyone who has done even a little bit of reading understands this, and most certainly can see through any blather from their own politicians who claim to deal only with other nice countries and not put up with the bad ones.  In reality, nothing could be further from the truth – all countries have always traded and allied themselves with other countries to get a good deal, or when needing help to defend themselves, or whump some other enemy.

And as the Left constantly points out, the United States has been a poster child of such pragmatic relationships.  We have toasted, feted, partied, and made deals with all kinds of unsavory regimes over the decades.  Regimes that have been horribly brutal to their own citizens – imprisoning, torturing, executing people literally by the millions.  Consider the trading we did with the USSR and its satellite communist clients during the Cold War.  Consider the warm relationships we have had with African and Latin American tin pot dictators when they had minerals and ag products we needed, and in turn would buy things from us that they couldn’t make. And then there’s China. 

Did all this stop when the Wall came down in 1989 or when the USSR collapsed in 1991?  Not at all.  We still did business and made alliances to serve the greater American interests in the never-ending geo-strategic chess game.  And yes, now and then we would sanction some country or refuse a diplomatic exchange with another, telling people of our high standards and of their low standards.  But when one looked behind the curtain, it was clear that the decision was political, and that we really did not need what they had to improve American lives.

So now the Saudis execute one of their own on foreign soil but in their own consulate, and the world’s ‘moral majority’, led by the US and its allies, gets their collective undies in a bundle, decrying the murder and demanding confessions and justice from the Saudis.  All this against the backdrop of the mid-east, which is a very complex place with ongoing wars, longstanding feuds, along with all major powers jockeying to advance their own agendas for regional hegemony, trading partnerships, mineral and energy rights, and to thwart the designs of their global rivals.  And everything would get much worse if our relationship with Saudi Arabia goes south.

The only world leader who decides to see through all this posturing and preening is our president, Donald J Trump.  After quietly studying the situation and counting everyone’s guns, he stands up and states that we have other fish to fry with the Saudis – like our anti-Iranian alliance and some hundreds of billions of dollars of trade that involves thousands of US jobs. And our suddenly objecting to one more Saudi murder is really not worth blowing the whole deal.

So, despite the public gnashing of teeth and rending of garment by Trump’s political opponents, everyone understands that this is the correct way to end the affair.  Yes, a bad thing happened in Turkey, but it did not impact our interests.  However, losing the order for shipping the Saudis our fancy armaments and other things so that they will remain our ally in the region, trumps all other factors in this case.  And our president has the wisdom and courage to solve the problem when no one else could do better than just bitch and moan.  In sum, maybe Trump, with warts and all, didn’t put a nice bow on it.  But whatever his other faults, many Americans can still support a president who tells us like it is and should be.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on Rebane’s Ruminations where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However, my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  To put the Khashoggi murder into a better perspective, we have to realize that tens (maybe more) of reporters and journalists are killed annually by people who don’t like what they write and poke their noses into.  Many (most?) of these killings are directly commissioned by governments unhappy with the targeted journalists.  And an overwhelming number of such killings are obviously due to the reporters’ output which exposed a government or got too close for comfort to a powerful government official.  All of such people in high places, especially in shithole countries, have intimate connections with their criminal elements, which makes it easy enough to finger someone and pay chump change for having him murdered.

Consider that in Mexico alone 30 journalists were killed in the last twelve months.  Many by cartels and gangs, but certainly a good number at the behest of someone in the Mexican government.  The individuals’ work products clearly indicated from what quarter the unfortunate schlub drew fire, yet our and other western governments totally ignore such killings – and no one on either side of the aisle raises an eyebrow.  Why?  It’s the money you dumb sumbich.  Trade with Mexico is at such a high level that we don’t give a big rat’s ass what they do to their own south of the border.  So, in that light, getting riled up about a Khashoggi is more than a bit hypocritical and humorous, and, when it is so framed, is definitely an example of fake news.

Apropos to this, does anyone else notice how many things Trump gets blamed for as the only or first one committing some assigned sin, when the record is clear that politicians right and left before him have done equal or more egregious versions of the same sin for decades?  But in today’s post-intellectual age, anyone on the media can claim anything, and a large enough of the electorate will believe it to throw the election process out of kilter – again, read Bryan Caplan.  And again, if such reports are framed to make the reader believe that Trump flew solo in this or that infraction, then that also is fake news.  It is this kind of ‘fake news’ (aka sophisticated lies) that Trump correctly accuses of being an enemy of the people.

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93 responses to “Khashoggi affair resolved”

  1. Scott O Avatar

    I’m surprised you devoted a whole post for this topic. As you point out – much worse goes on all the time and will again soon, if not already. I’ve already posted my take a while ago on your blog. It comes under the heading of ‘too bad, so sad’.
    99% of the hand-wringing over Mr K is nothing more than Trump Derangement Syndrome. In other words – if this had happened when Obama was POTUS, Obama would have scraped and bowed before the House Of Saud.
    Oh wait – actually he did, didn’t he?
    But that was OK because Obama was just sooooo cool.
    I’ll say it again – if you want America to start trouble over this then start trouble with the worst offenders.
    But, but, but – golly! That might mean war with China!!!!
    Oh, I see – and here I had thought you were all in for truth and justice.
    Now go back to America’s Funniest Home Videos and leave the world’s affairs to the adults in the room.
    I

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    8 Mexican journalist killed murdered this year.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    When the truth comes out we will see the extent of business conducted by the Trump family through Saudi Arabia and the Royal Family specifically. Then we will see the reason for Trumps smooching up to a vicious killer and despicable human being.

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh Paul Emery you are so funny. If you want to see someone tell his personal story that you should emulate watch this Larry Elder piece. But you are no Larry Elder.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oww-4wdrvgI

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    How dare you here or anyone call the agent of the Saudi Government and the dethroned Prince a journalist. How dare you. And Al Gore is a journalist, right?
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jamal-khashoggi-the-man-and-the-myth.php

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  6. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,As we put our hands to our hearts and pledge allegiance to the flag we try to tell ourselves that we absolve ourselves of all the dirty deeds and people Amerika has killed or let be killed in the name of the GNP!!!

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  7. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,trumpski’s lover Putin ‘we think’ has poisoned many dissidents.
    But we have video proof that MBS is a first degree murderer!!!
    But that is ok with the local yahoos with their ‘murican’ flags pasted on the bumpers of their trucks
    Ignorance is bliss!!!!

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  8. Scott O Avatar

    Amazing how the left wing know-nothings flock in here to validate my post.
    from Paul Emery – “…a vicious killer and despicable human being”
    Oh, well said little coward boy! And what of the thousands of other such folk?
    From little coward boy – “I didn’t vote for them.”
    Say – I have an idea.
    Why doesn’t little coward boy go out and personally expose all of the same sort of folk in the world?
    Answer – because he’s little coward boy.
    I’m just laughing at how these morons actually believe themselves to be virtuous.
    Just what are they personally willing to do themselves about all of the injustice in the world?
    Well, nothing – but desk pounding and virtue signalling is soooo much fun.

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  9. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Ya never know what’ll show up. Here’s one today that’s a good one to remember regarding the news etc. There are a number of YouTube versions of Rep. Nancy Pelosi as she outlines the smear tactic “If you say it and repeat it often, it becomes the truth.” This dishonest political warfare’s getting pretty obvious to those who pay attention. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GMBeUORJWj4
    That’s why Joseph Goebbels added that the technique works only as long as the people don’t suffer any consequences from the lie. Truth is the mortal enemy to the lie…and consequently the mortal enemy of the state. Therefore beware when the state resorts to suppressing freedom of speech. Amazing that Pelosi claims “we don’t engage in this.” One of the comments below the YouTube is that they just did it to Kavanaugh.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Saudi Arabia was formered when the House Of Saud conquered most of the four regions of Arabia (including Riyadh, the ancestral homeland of the House of Saud’s family) and made a deal with the warlords on the Arabian Peninsula, Those warlords were/are of the ultra conservative Muslim line of Wabbabi (Sunni), the dominate culture of Saudi Arabian life today. An absolute monarchy, Saudi Arabia has the largest economy in the Middle Easy and the only country whose shores touches both the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. But more importantly, the hereditary dictatorship that rules Saudi Arabia has an uneasy truce (understanding) with the radical ultra orthodox Wabbabi leadership. The 911 hijackers from Saudi Arabia were of this line of Muslim faith.
    ———————————————-
    “If the authoritarian faction with which Khashoggi was aligned comes to power, his execution may have some relevance. But even in that scenario, the U.S. will either be able make or deal with that regime based on mutual interests or it won’t. The new ruling faction is unlikely to let sentimental feelings about Khashoggi stand in the way.
    “The Washington Post is, of course, outraged over Trump’s decision. Its publisher says:
    “President Trump is correct in saying the world is a very dangerous place. His surrender to this state-ordered murder will only make it more so.
    “For whom? As discussed above, the decision is unlikely to make it a more dangerous place for the United States.
    “In an editorial, the Post concludes that the alternative to the U.S. holding the current Saudi regime accountable for killing Khashoggi is “a world where dictators know they can murder their critics and suffer no consequences.”
    “The Saudi regime likely will suffer some relatively minor consequences. A world in which dictators suffer no major consequences for murdering critics is the world as it is and has always been.
    “We’re creeping towards a world in which dictators sometimes suffer major consequences for mass murder. A world in which the murder of one critic causes another nation to reverse its national security policy and inflict economic damage on itself is another matter.
    “There is no moral imperative that the U.S. try to usher in such a world, and the promotion of American interests militates against doing so in this case.”
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/205938.php

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  11. JeffPelline Avatar
    JeffPelline

    This post is more sick than usual. On Thanksgiving, no less.

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  12. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The trolls and their feigned indignation wrapped in TDS is almost funny when you realize their depth of historical perspective is measured in microns!
    Then there is the socialist liberals love of the muslim brotherhood that fits nicely with their hate for Israel and that’s why they find themselves acting as willing stooges for team Iran/Turkey.
    😉

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Too funny. Proposing sanctions against 12 people that are slated to be executed anyway. If a “journalist” from Pravda broke with President Putin and backed Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, would that make the government mouthpiece rom Pravda a journalist by our use of the word? Democracy is a foreign concept to Khashoggi, one he never advocated or embraced.
    Bottomline: it’s a complex issue with many moving parts.
    Round an round we go where it stops nobody knows.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutfeld-on-trumps-response-to-khashoggi

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  14. JeffPelline Avatar
    JeffPelline

    It sounds like Don has his “undies in a bunch” (to quote Rebane, not me) this week now that Shannan Moon is Sheriff! As for this post, it’s defending the indefensible — on our “community” radio station. What’s up with that Paul Emery? Yuck.
    😉

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Fat Boy @ 6:12 pm
    It’s not Thanksgiving. But, I am grateful that any one who lays eyes upon you are instantly thankful that they are not a freak of nature like you. But for the grace of God….
    Thank you for making me grateful.

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land @622 will be disappointed to learn that we are friends! LOL
    😉

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  17. JeffPelline Avatar
    JeffPelline

    “Fat boy?” “undies in a bunch”? I guess that sums up the caliber of the commentary here.

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  18. Scott O Avatar

    Jeffy P-Line at 6:02: Actually quite apropos in regards to our nation’s Thanking God for our blessings. Better here than in any one of hundreds of other God-less S-holes. In our nation, even small-bit hustlers and grifters get full on protection of our laws. Not so in most other countries.
    Get on your knees and thank God for the protections you have here vs the casual taking of life and liberty in other countries.
    If you think Trump should take other measures against the House of Saud, remember that according our nation’s ‘equal application of law’ we should then take equal action against all other nations involved in the same crime.
    Got it, idiot?

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  19. JeffPelline Avatar
    JeffPelline

    Don,
    “Friends” with Shannan Moon? You use the term loosely. Your BFF, Keith Royal, endorsed the loser. And your name doesn’t show up in her endorsements https://www.moonforsheriff2018.com/supporters/
    😉

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  20. Scott O Avatar

    Oh Jeffy… You’re off topic and changing the subject.
    Jus’ saying.
    So much for what ever so-called education and upbringing you had.
    Sorry, but here – your money buys no respect.
    Try to push yourself away from the buffet and respond s’il vous plaît.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “What’s up with that Paul Emery? Yuck.”
    Perhaps you can throw your weight around and have Paul Emery censored. It’s your thing. No very true to democratic principles, but silencing others what makes you unique. Frisco Values on full display.
    Surely you have some connections in high places and influence in Quainty Town to pull the strings and get Rebane off the air and Paul Emery severely punished. I reckon you are even more impotent that Paul Emery.
    BTW, how did it go going getting the Bonanza Market to remove that ghastly Kangeroo Jerky sign? Horrible, just horrible. Ruined your scrumptious fruit smoothie and you had to cover your boy’s eyes so he would not have his smoothie ruint as well. Good job, freakazoid.

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    A little perspective from the national interest –
    Trump Is Right About Saudi Arabia
    What the human-rights crowd—suddenly loud and proud after eight years of silence under Obama and his drone wars—has sought would have fundamentally hurt American interests.
    At its heart, the Khashoggi affair is about the killing of someone who was not, at that point, a U.S. citizen in a country over which the United States has no jurisdiction. True, Khashoggi was an opinion writer and analyst for the Washington Post. At the Washington Post he wrote such gems as “The U.S. is wrong about the Muslim Brotherhood,” which the newspaper published not only in English but also Arabic. Many Arab governments make no distinction between the Brotherhood and Hamas, and view both as terrorist organizations.
    In the real world, the conduct of the Saudis is startling but far from unique. Among other U.S. allies, Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan, who scored diplomatic points against his regional rival over the Khashoggi killing, has dozens of journalists and political opponents rotting in his jails. Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte wholeheartedly endorses extrajudicial killing by police. And among U.S. adversaries, journalists and other opponents of governments like those in China and Iran have short life expectancies.
    The breakdown of relations that the critics of Saudi Arabia now seek, and which Trump firmly rejected with his statement of support for the alliance with Saudi Arabia, is not a novel concept. There’s even a clear example in the Middle East. In response to human-rights violations by the Shah of Iran, then-President Jimmy Carter went wobbly on his support for the Iranian monarch in 1979. The move helped usher in the Iranian Revolution and the Islamic Republic, which to this day throws political opponents in Evin Prison in Tehran and executes gays by hanging them from construction cranes. Oops.
    More to the point, Iran challenges U.S. interests around the Middle East. In effect, we are still dealing with the consequences of high-minded but dumb decisions that created today’s Iran.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-saudi-arabia-180200209.html
    😉

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    Did anyone notice Pelline contributing to the topic of my commentary? OK, then did anyone notice Pelline dishing out the same old crap? Methinks the man again has less than nothing to contribute here.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Did I read a condemnation of Pelline’s fellow “journalists” on the eight murdered in Mexico? Crickets of course. No Trump in that.
    And of course Pelline supports SF as a sanctuary city which made it possible for an illegal alien to murder Kate Steinle. Did I see a post by him on that?

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    7:17 pm
    I was waiting for His Lardship to start going after Crabb and Boardman, in addition to you, Don, Todd, and Paul Emery. That’s Mr. Boardman and Mr. Emery, oh Whooper with cheese.
    Figured he was just upset cause he couldn’t get his hands in the turkey cavity to pull out the package of giblets. Off topic, out of here.

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  26. JeffPelline Avatar
    JeffPelline

    Whenever George starts to lose an argument, he deletes the comments. He’s a dictator. No surprise there!

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BillT you are soooo funny!

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  28. Scott O Avatar

    What about anybody being murdered in countries where murder is what happens when you get out of line?
    I’d love to have these left-wing moralists list exactly what Trump should do vis a vis Saudi Arabia and then explain why we should not do the same against all other countries in the world doing the same.
    Uh – because they’d kick our ass.
    Well yeah – so be real brave against weaklings and cower in the face of power.
    Sounds like a left wing type of deal.
    Haven’t heard one word in defence of anything else.
    Lefties – it’s your turn.
    Tell us – just when is cold blooded murder bad and when is it not?
    Waiting.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    I assume Don Bessee supported the Republican Party endorsing Bill Smethers for Sheriff. Support from the Republicans is now a kiss of death for anyone running for office in Nevada County.
    Did you support the endorsement Don? A simple yes or no will do. If she is your “friend” Don why didn’t you support her? by the way are you a member of the Nevada County Republican Central Committee?

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Scott, the only thing that is good is virtue signaling….and some satification f claiming moral superiority. That’s the whole ball of wax.
    It’s up to the King to rein his son in. Those ‘freedoms’ for women being allowed to drive met with heavy resistance from the Wahhabis.
    The United States allowed the Saudi Arbarian goverment propaganda minister K-hash-hoggie (a Saudi citizen) to live here. He had protections here. But, if the man decided to go walking around that bastion of human rights nation Turkey, well that’s a different story. And to step foot on Saudi soil via the embassy in Turkey….well, can’t fix stupid. Nothing personal, it’s just business.

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  31. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The pony tail of ignorance is going off thread again but a little education is a good thing, Shannon was a Republican until April. The NCRP has to endorse an R in contested elections.
    It sounds like the handbook for socialist liberals does not let you be friends with anyone who is not a socialist liberal. We have no such restrictions!
    😉

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    Did you personally support Shannon for Sheriff Don?

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Do you really believe Trump when he says has no business deals with Saudi Arabia? How about his family
    Trump quote:
    “I have no financial interests in Saudi Arabia.”

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 839pm – Yes, until proven otherwise.

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  35. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    We all have financial and security interests in the Kingdom. Greg Gutfeld summed it up nicely;
    If you say the prince is guilty, you’re committing poker suicide by folding, while holding all the best cards. Sure, playing your moral ace might please the media.But winning their approval wins America nothing. It just wastes a great opportunity.
    But hold off and say, “maybe, maybe not,” and you come out ahead. And the pot you want to win impacts your country’s happiness.
    If you’ve spent your life playing this game, keeping your cards close and waiting, you know: America has the Saudis over a barrel. Millions of barrels, really. And in negotiations, that means you can get something big from them, that you couldn’t get before.
    Like what?
    Middle East progress? A chance for peace in Palestine and Israel? The ability to influence oil prices?
    Who knows?
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutfeld-on-trumps-response-to-khashoggi
    😉

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    His family as well I assume and that would include Kushner. What would you propose if it’s shown conclusively that he does have financial interests?

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  37. Tricky McClean Avatar
    Tricky McClean

    Juvinall?
    Juvinall?
    Juvinall?
    Juvinall?
    Juvinall?
    Juvinall?
    Juvinall?
    I didn’t previously ask Todd a question, but I thought it would be fun to utilize some of the idiomatic idioms often used on this blog to feign sophistication.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Tricky, please try to stay on topic. Yes, not all can muster the discipline or self control at all times to accomplish such a feat, but keep trying until you get it right. To the Sandbox with you.
    Peace out bro, dig your fro. Gimme five on he white side.

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Tricky McClean | 21 November 2018 at 09:10 PM
    Feign sophistication….?
    A line from Ferris Buellers Day Off……? You should try harder!

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Where do these trolls come from GeorgeR?

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Whole lot of assuming going on.
    “I assume Don Bessee supported the…” @8:09 pm
    “His family as well I assume and”. @ 9:07 pm
    At least our Popinjay took it over to the Sandbox. Fish and Todd don’t need to stay on topic. A little personality goes a long way. 🙂

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  42. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Bill,
    You need counseling.

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Jeff, you need sleep.

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  44. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?” -attr. to Henry II, of the soon to be assassinated Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas à Becket, in 1170.
    Compared to Stalin, the House of Saud and Henry II are, or were, rank amateurs.

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  45. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Former editor
    Looks up from a piece of pie
    To share his wisdom
    re: Khashoggi.
    Given who his uncle is, his ties to the Saudi Royal family, and opaque nature of Arab politics, it’s hard to get worked up by a foreign national murdered in a foreign embassy by foreign agents in a foreign country. There’s more important fish to fry and is likely just more business as usual. Of course, somehow blaming Trump for this is business as usual.
    Like Kipling sez: “East of Suez men do not build towers on the tops of hills for the sake of the view, nor do they stripe the mountain side with bastioned stone walls to keep in cattle.”
    Middle Eastern politics is best left to it’s practitioners.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scenes, it’s a Saudi national being murdered by the House of Saud on Saudi soil within the old borders of the former Ottoman Empire who were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide just a century ago.
    Nice guys all around.

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  47. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 22 November 2018 at 02:36 AM
    “…..and there are people who post late at night!! “

    Paraphrased from yet another of Pork Linkersons frequent complaints! 2:36 in the morning…..what’s up with that jeffy?!

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar

    Nice guys right Gregory and pals of Trump and his family. Do you believe Trump when he says he has no business deals with the Saudis?

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