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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 21 November 2018.]

President Trump announced yesterday that the US would not pursue the Khashoggi murder by Saudi government agents.  The president’s reasoning was clear and eminently rational.  As anticipated, our leftwing received it with howls of disapproval that accused the president of all manner of sins violating international norms founded on morals and ethics and law and human rights and God knows what else they could pile on, when the decision actually violated nothing of the sort.  BTW, full disclosure, even some Republican politicians got their noses out of joint.

Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi was a dissident Saudi journalist whose commentary and news coverage were critical of the kingdom’s ruling Saud family.  In mid-east countries like Saudi Arabia you don’t get to mess with the rulers without some consequences coming your way.  Let’s face it, that is their culture, these are not nations of laws with guaranteed rights and constitutional strictures which prescribe what their governments can and cannot do.  Most nations in the second and third worlds are ruled by ruthless men who are corrupt autocrats at best, and cruel tyrants at worst.


America and other western countries that claim to be governed by laws have always made nice with these less-developed and more brutal countries for the simple reason that it was in our national interest to do so.  Everyone who has done even a little bit of reading understands this, and most certainly can see through any blather from their own politicians who claim to deal only with other nice countries and not put up with the bad ones.  In reality, nothing could be further from the truth – all countries have always traded and allied themselves with other countries to get a good deal, or when needing help to defend themselves, or whump some other enemy.

And as the Left constantly points out, the United States has been a poster child of such pragmatic relationships.  We have toasted, feted, partied, and made deals with all kinds of unsavory regimes over the decades.  Regimes that have been horribly brutal to their own citizens – imprisoning, torturing, executing people literally by the millions.  Consider the trading we did with the USSR and its satellite communist clients during the Cold War.  Consider the warm relationships we have had with African and Latin American tin pot dictators when they had minerals and ag products we needed, and in turn would buy things from us that they couldn’t make. And then there’s China. 

Did all this stop when the Wall came down in 1989 or when the USSR collapsed in 1991?  Not at all.  We still did business and made alliances to serve the greater American interests in the never-ending geo-strategic chess game.  And yes, now and then we would sanction some country or refuse a diplomatic exchange with another, telling people of our high standards and of their low standards.  But when one looked behind the curtain, it was clear that the decision was political, and that we really did not need what they had to improve American lives.

So now the Saudis execute one of their own on foreign soil but in their own consulate, and the world’s ‘moral majority’, led by the US and its allies, gets their collective undies in a bundle, decrying the murder and demanding confessions and justice from the Saudis.  All this against the backdrop of the mid-east, which is a very complex place with ongoing wars, longstanding feuds, along with all major powers jockeying to advance their own agendas for regional hegemony, trading partnerships, mineral and energy rights, and to thwart the designs of their global rivals.  And everything would get much worse if our relationship with Saudi Arabia goes south.

The only world leader who decides to see through all this posturing and preening is our president, Donald J Trump.  After quietly studying the situation and counting everyone’s guns, he stands up and states that we have other fish to fry with the Saudis – like our anti-Iranian alliance and some hundreds of billions of dollars of trade that involves thousands of US jobs. And our suddenly objecting to one more Saudi murder is really not worth blowing the whole deal.

So, despite the public gnashing of teeth and rending of garment by Trump’s political opponents, everyone understands that this is the correct way to end the affair.  Yes, a bad thing happened in Turkey, but it did not impact our interests.  However, losing the order for shipping the Saudis our fancy armaments and other things so that they will remain our ally in the region, trumps all other factors in this case.  And our president has the wisdom and courage to solve the problem when no one else could do better than just bitch and moan.  In sum, maybe Trump, with warts and all, didn’t put a nice bow on it.  But whatever his other faults, many Americans can still support a president who tells us like it is and should be.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on Rebane’s Ruminations where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However, my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  To put the Khashoggi murder into a better perspective, we have to realize that tens (maybe more) of reporters and journalists are killed annually by people who don’t like what they write and poke their noses into.  Many (most?) of these killings are directly commissioned by governments unhappy with the targeted journalists.  And an overwhelming number of such killings are obviously due to the reporters’ output which exposed a government or got too close for comfort to a powerful government official.  All of such people in high places, especially in shithole countries, have intimate connections with their criminal elements, which makes it easy enough to finger someone and pay chump change for having him murdered.

Consider that in Mexico alone 30 journalists were killed in the last twelve months.  Many by cartels and gangs, but certainly a good number at the behest of someone in the Mexican government.  The individuals’ work products clearly indicated from what quarter the unfortunate schlub drew fire, yet our and other western governments totally ignore such killings – and no one on either side of the aisle raises an eyebrow.  Why?  It’s the money you dumb sumbich.  Trade with Mexico is at such a high level that we don’t give a big rat’s ass what they do to their own south of the border.  So, in that light, getting riled up about a Khashoggi is more than a bit hypocritical and humorous, and, when it is so framed, is definitely an example of fake news.

Apropos to this, does anyone else notice how many things Trump gets blamed for as the only or first one committing some assigned sin, when the record is clear that politicians right and left before him have done equal or more egregious versions of the same sin for decades?  But in today’s post-intellectual age, anyone on the media can claim anything, and a large enough of the electorate will believe it to throw the election process out of kilter – again, read Bryan Caplan.  And again, if such reports are framed to make the reader believe that Trump flew solo in this or that infraction, then that also is fake news.  It is this kind of ‘fake news’ (aka sophisticated lies) that Trump correctly accuses of being an enemy of the people.

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93 responses to “Khashoggi affair resolved”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Do you believe Trump when he says he has no business dealings with the Saudis?

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yes

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Got you on the record for that. thanks
    Does that include his family members as well?

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Direct quote from Trump Todd
    ““Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million,” Trump told a crowd at an Alabama campaign rally in 2015. “Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Only you TDS types care. He was a provate citizen then and had investments all over the worls. That is what it is to be an entrepreneur. My goodness you must be off your meds.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Iran or Saudi Arabia? DC Establishment gets everything wrong about Tump’s stance on Saudii Arabia.
    The rise of Trump and his foreign policy is noteworthy in part because it wasn’t that long ago that dissent against the elite foreign policy consensus was treated as unacceptable, with National Review famously and viciously calling those of us who questioned the invasion of Iraq “Unpatriotic Conservatives.” On the left, the anti-invasion activists were treated more favorably during that war but they mostly disappeared when, instead of Bush, it was Barack Obama overseeing the continued wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the invasion of Libya, and the killing of untold numbers via drone strikes in faraway lands. It was a broadly bipartisan group of elites who agreed on when and where to go to war “spread democracy and American values.”
    http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/21/dc-establishment-gets-almost-everything-wrong-trumps-saudi-posture/
    Keep up with those fake scandals, Punchy. Foreign policy is not your cup of tea. One needs to contain multiple issues and multiple circumstances and multiple concepts in one’s noggin simultaneously. It’s not for linear thinking.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Todd you are convinced he no longer has any business dealings with Saudi Arabia as he was quoted in saying on Tuesday “no financial interests in Saudi Arabia.”

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jeeze Paul Emery I already answered you. Since you are so sure Bush lied to get us into war in the middle east and you espouse outrage about the American deaths there I would guess you’d be happy with Trump keeping us out of a war there. But alas, you are in the throes of TDS and can’t make any sense.

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Nice guys right Gregory and pals of Trump and his family.”
    Paul, how typical of you to completely misrepresent a statement of mine, followed by an inane leading question.
    Only in The Wizard of Id in the Sunday comic pages does an unguarded cry of “The King is a Fink” lead to a survivable and funny interlude in a dungeon, without loss of life or limb. Absolute power and all that. Kings are leftovers from medieval times.
    “I’ma getting Medieval on yo’ ass” means what to you, Punchy?

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar

    Sorry Gregory. I thought you’d appreciate a bit sarcasm. Do you believe Trump when he says he has no personal financial dealings with Saudi Arabia?

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy: do you know what the difference between ignorance and apathy?

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    an “is” is missing from my 1252

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory certainly the end results can be the same. For example blindly accepting anything Trump says as true,as do Todd and others on this blog and apathy, meaning having no interest in involvement or action, do the same disservice and allow the liars and manipulators to run free with no resistance.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    Definitions I agree with
    Apathy is a state of indifference, or the suppression of emotions such as concern, excitement, motivation, or passion. An apathetic individual has an absence of interest in or concern about emotional, social, spiritual, philosophical, or physical life and the world.
    Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. The word ignorant is an adjective that describes a person in the state of being unaware, and can describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts, or individuals who are unaware of important information or facts.

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 22 November 2018 at 12:52 PM
    Punchy: do you know what the difference between ignorance and apathy?

    It appears that Punch doesn’t know……and doesn’t really care!
    Really Gregory……You would get a better response showing a dog a card trick!

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 107pm – I wonder how you perceived the ‘blind acceptance’ of and ‘apathy’ about Obama’s and his administrations statements during 2009-17 period. Thoughts?

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    I didn’t vote for Obama second time George and not for Hillary last time. That was my personal reaction. You seem to accept Trump and his lies and disgusting personal demeanor as acceptable because the end results please you. We have had this discussion in person many times. Things have reached a crisis now where I welcome divided government as a desirable stand in till something better comes along.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    Off to a family gathering
    Cheers

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 123pm – You didn’t answer my 116pm and changed the subject instead. Perhaps I was unclear. My question was about your perception of how the Left perceived the public claims of Team Obama.
    But as I’ve stated many times before – I do overlook the bluster, braggadocio, and showmanship copy (i.e. his talk) coming out of Trump. I don’t consider his bodacious claims of ‘best’, ‘most’, ‘first’, … as lies any more than I do a detergent braying that it is ‘the best for all your pots and pans’. But I pay a lot of attention to his walk that results in his executed policies, passed legislation, regulatory rollbacks, securing the border, …, and in general his unabashed promotion of ‘America first’ which you and yours lie to your poorly read constituents as being ‘America über alles!’

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    After Paul Emery brown nosing Obama and the democrats for eight years it is refreshing to see a change at least in the Senate and with Trump. He cracks me up. But dimwits in America don’t get his humor and if they did they could start weaning themselves of their sourpuss.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    So Todd you have now reduced Trump to being a comedian. I agree completely. As a President he is a joke.

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Smoking the ganja again there Paul Emery? Is your nose still brown or did you clean it off after Obama left office?

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Todd
    Sounds like somebody did not have a good Thanksgiving evening last night with family. I am so thankful for meat. Bet Walter is in hogs heaven today….and yesterday.
    TDS is the new normal.
    Topic? Oh yeah. Trump did not articulate the outrage strong enough (not even close) or the way ‘they’ wanted him to. Obama had just the right tone and demeanor and eloquence of words.
    Let’s see. We have KKKavenaugh, KKKaravan, and KKKhashoggie. It is a threat to our democracy. Say what?

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    A bit of gratuitous pedagogy – In the English vernacular, a person being a ‘comedian’ and being a ‘joke’ have widely different meanings that the learned never confuse. Being a comedian denotes a person’s skills in the delivery of comedy and humor. A person being ascribed to be a joke means that the person himself is the embodiment of comedy and the source of humor without making the conscious effort to be so identified. To be called a joke is a common pejorative, to be a comedian is not.

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Like all too many of Punchy’s comments, his 1028am is based on an intentional mangling of someone else’s words and intent.
    Paul, why do you do that? Is twisting the words of others into straw men to pummel the only way you can “win”?

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar

    Oh George you know what I mean. I thought you had a sense of humor.
    Never got your deeper analysis of the Rasmussen Polls Gregory. Still working on it?

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1222pm – And here all along I thought that you have never gotten President Trump’s humor. TDS is such a burden.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Mark Steyn let that idiot Judge Tigar have it today. He pondered why this Judge forces all of us law-abiding Americans to remove our shoes and pumpkin pies before flying while allowing 6 billion planet earthers to come waltzing across out border without scrutiny. It is pretty amazing hubris of that loon judge.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I see Paul Emery when he is caught being dopey tries to claim humor. Doesn’t work.

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 1222pm
    I never promised “a deeper analysis of the Rasmussen Polls”, Punch. What did I write that you twisted into that pretzel?

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sorry for the misunderstanding Gregory. Since you are not into justifying Rasmussen missing the mark by 7 points in the election I assume you accept their incompetence in not even coming close in their polling. Fox was right on the money with Dems up by 7.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Somehow Trump is not very funny to me when he makes jokes about pussy grabbing and bragging that woman cannot resist him because he is rich and famous. Do you consider that humor?

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Do you equate his infamous pussy grabbing statement with
    detergent ads ” braying that it is ‘the best for all your pots and pans’?

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 223pm – These interests of yours are off topic here. Please take them to the sandbox. My fault for letting things get away from the topic.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    So the Arabs had a family squabble, and they dealt with it like they always have. That’s the way things work over there.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 217pm, you are confused and evaded my question.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt is correct, this is how the Arabs deal with people. I recall them slicing off the heads of our people and not a word of condemnation from Paul Emery and his ilk. Pearl was a journalist. Paul Emery give us all a copy paste of your words then. Thanks.

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Walt is correct. That is also how monarchs deal with people.
    “Consider this a divorce”- Henry VIII to a few of his wives.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    LOL!

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  40. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    A final word on the topic –
    In fact, the situation is exactly the reverse, and Gabbard should be praising Trump for advancing the cause of peace.
    Trump now has the Saudis exactly where he wants them. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), once the toast of the world’s elites, is now widely portrayed as an accused murderer. President Trump could join the attack, perhaps even pushing MBS out of power and destabilizing the Saudi regime itself. Instead, Trump has positioned himself as MBS’s last and best friend. Without Trump’s support, MBS might not survive long — and he knows it.
    That puts Trump in a position to make demands. He has already engineered peace talks in Yemen between the Saudi-backed government and the Iranian-backed rebels. He claims to have convinced the Saudis to increase oil production to keep prices low. And he may be able to achieve bigger things yet — such as Saudi support for an Israeli-Palestinian peace plan that would conclude the conflict on terms favorable to the United States and Israel.
    Trump could, for example, instruct the Saudis to accept, and to pressure the Palestinians to accept, a peace plan that recognizes both Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and Israel’s sovereignty in Jerusalem. He could tell MBS that the burden of bankrolling the Palestinians — including the so-called “refugees” — is now his. And he could sweeten the deal by giving the Saudis some authority over Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem. MBS would be foolish to refuse.
    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/11/23/blue-state-blues-trump-has-the-saudis-where-he-wants-them/
    😉

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Trump is right. The world is a dangerous place.
    Saudi Arabia, friend or foe? There are no good guys over there. Ali Babba and his forty thieves.
    https://buchanan.org/blog/are-the-saudi-princes-true-friends-130667

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    Who said that ‘nations have interests, not friends’?

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