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George Rebane

Over 40 dead and counting, plus thousands of buildings and homes burned, plus hundreds of thousands of acres of trees and wild critters of all kinds killed, plus untold amounts of public monies pissed away that could have been used for many better things for the common good.  And all of this as the result of an annually recurring insanity put in place by well-meaning econuts through programs that started long ago with Smokey the Bear.  Today the epidemic of this seeming ignorance has become endemic.

Once upon a time the U.S. Forest Service’s mission was to actively manage the federal government’s resources. Yet numerous laws over the last 50 years, including the Endangered Species Act and National Environmental Policy Act, have hampered tree-clearing, controlled burns and timber sales on federal land. (13nov18 WSJ)

Today the Agenda21 driven political divide has been augmented by the use of ‘climate change’ to double down on dumb forest management policies.  Moonbeam Brown has led a chorus of progressive pundits and their legions of true believers, claiming that preventable man-made global warming is the cause of all the recent catastrophic conflagrations (more here).  Again, the data does not support such emotionally charged political arguments; there is no scientific basis for a causal link, only a political one. (more here, H/T to reader)

President Trump’s message about governments mismanaging our forests is spot on, no matter how crudely it might have been delivered.  We have to reduce the tremendous fuel loads in our forests through active programs of undergrowth clearance, harvesting timber, and prescribed burns.  One only need to look at the circa 1850 photos of California forests to understand what humans have done over the last 150+ years.  Back then trees in the mountainous west grew in copses separated by open spaces – lightning started forest fires burned only a few copses that had grown too close together, but that was it, the fire didn’t spread and go on burning miles of trees.  It took human foolishness to encourage cheek-by-jowl growth through aggressive firefighting.  Forest thinning wildfires were outlawed, but never stopped.

Now our ecological betters, using the government gun, have created critically flammable environments wherever they could identify an endangered critter or flower or fungus or … .  Put that together with population growth that has built homes and towns in the former wildlands, and anyone with an ounce of critical thought knows that the annual chance of disastrous wildfires quickly approaches certainty.  The reality is that the forests and chaparral will burn, no matter what.  The only choice we have is whether it will burn economically when and where we want it to burn, or whether it will burn when and where we can least afford to have it burn and at enormous cost.

The right choice should be an easy one.  So why hasn’t it been made?  There may be several reasons, but one of the most plausible explanations for our decades-long insanity in choosing badly is that such wildfires also serve a greater political purpose to aid the ongoing fundamental transformation of America.  If we consider public policies encouraging such annual holocausts in that light, then one can make the plausible case that our devastating wildfires are really the result of totally rational decisions toward an end which eventually will serve a greater common good – these wildfires are just another form of the eggs which must be cracked before our central planners can deliver their promised omelet.  It's worth a discussion.

[16nov18 update]  An environmentalists’ epiphany??? 

After decades of butting heads, some environmentalists and logging supporters have largely come to agreement that forests need to be logged to be saved. … Another dangerous factor, land-management experts say, is that forests have become overgrown with trees and underbrush due to a mix of human influences, including a past federal policy of putting out fires, rather than letting them burn. Washington has also sharply reduced logging under pressure from environmentalists. (more here)

Is liberalism really anything different from mental illness?  Why did it take decades for these people to recognize a solution known to the rest of us for over a century?  How many other such practical approaches to commerce, land use, and recreation do these people continue to deny America?  Does this epiphany represent some light at the end of this insane tunnel?

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98 responses to “Do California Wildfires Serve a Greater Purpose?”

  1. Russ Avatar
    Russ

    Bernie Schmitte, a Canadian forestry manager at a Fort McMurray news conference: “The boreal forest is a fire-dependent ecosystem. The spruce trees, pine trees, they like to burn… they have to burn to regenerate themselves, and those species have adapted themselves to fire. Their cones have adapted so they open up after the fire has left, and the trees have adapted in that once they’re old and need to be replaced, they’re available to fire so they burn.”
    Lodgepole Pine cones require 1100 degrees of heat before the cones open and spread their seeds on the wind.

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  2. Russell Avatar

    More Wildfire Facts
    I have posted a book excerpt on Wildfires from the The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change to Sierra Foothills Commentary blog, along with a graphic showing more fires in the 1920s and 1930s than in the 2000s. If an event occurs before the TV takling heads were born, it does not count as the worst.

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  3. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: Russell@11:42AM
    Hah. That is an interesting chart.
    I’d have to know a lot more than I do about the causes, spread, and damage that fires cause to have a worthwhile opinion on the matter. No doubt, I’ll get to see 1000 politically-based screeds on the topic before the week is out.
    It would be interesting to think through the engineering on a fire-safe version of a tornado shelter. One lesson from Paradise is that if you stir the ant den, so many people will pour out that your escape concept could well be useless in a place like that.

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  4. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,, George,,, Paradise was not in a national forest. It was a town and environs, mostly private property, that was not managed by the Forest Service. The PG&E fire that started across from the local fairgrounds was not in a forest but on private property. The Carr fire was started by a tire blowout along a state highway corridor. Most of the trees that are choking our local area are on private property. The Camp fire was started on private property by PG&E.
    “‘Although very significant in certain local economies, the overall economic impact of the forest industry in California in the 21st century is fairly modest. California forests produce about 350 million board feet of wood products annually. These products include $100 million in market value for saw timber and $40 million in market value electricity produced from biomass. Logging creates jobs for about 2,000 private sector workers. For comparison, thirty-three million people visit the National Forests of California for recreation, generating 38,000 outdoor recreation-related jobs”‘
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logging_in_the_Sierra_Nevada

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  5. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    Climate change/drought are making thing worse,,,not Eco LIbs
    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/1/17800358/california-mendocino-wildfire-dead-trees

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  6. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    AGW my ass. Yes, it’s the ECO whack jobs that contribute to this devastation. They piss and moan about every dead tree that needs to come down. They have bitched about forest thinning, and brush eradication in general. “it contributes to greenhouse gases”.
    Like what is happening right now isn’t?????
    Piss poor management and allowing city idiots to call the shots through litigation are the ones responsible.
    If you clowns think man can influence climate,, make it rain.
    If not,, shut up.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    M 340pm – Mr M, it appears that another one of the significant public debates you have missed these past years (decades?) is how our forests have been mismanaged and its contribution to our yearly conflagrations. Your pabulum in response is part of how your tribe abets the annual devastation. I’m a bit amazed that you present such arguments in these pages, but then again, it is your prerogative.

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  8. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    An interesting small article I ran into.
    “Reform forest fire management, Agency incentives undermine policy effectiveness”
    M. P. North et al.
    Sept. 2015 Science Magazine

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    We have a situation in my neighborhood that there are hundreds of acres of sloped property down to Deer Creek that have virtually no trees and are covered with brush around 10 feet tall and very dry. The property owners, who ever they are, have no economic incentive to clear their property because they would lose nothing if it were all to burn and there are no buildings or structures. Should they be compelled by law to clear their property to ensure public safety?

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    George
    We have a situation in my neighborhood that there are hundreds of acres of sloped property down to Deer Creek that have virtually no trees and are covered with brush around 10 feet tall and very dry. The property owners, who ever they are, have no economic incentive to clear their property because they would lose nothing if it were all to burn and there are no buildings or structures. Should they be compelled by law to clear their property to ensure public safety?

    STOP, STOP, STOP……….remember Punch……..stupid questions, the majority of those questions that you pose…..are to be disregarded!
    (I’m going to give you a break……do you want to rescind this one…..maybe start fresh tomorrow?)

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The pony tail of ignorance is in fine form tonight on that one.
    😉

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar

    thanks for the deep thinking Fish and Don. You obviously have no ideas how to remedy this dangerous situation.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    The question was posed for George anyway.

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  14. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    As I watch the horrible fire that devasted Paradise and read the comments FS here I can’t help but feel disgusted at the ignorance. Our present society has been so brainwashed to believe what they’re told by th so called educated elite that they’re out of touch by the obvious…nature, and earths being in charge of what happens. Originally, our National Forests were preserved so that Americans would have an endless suuply of affordable lumber, our water supply protected and improved, and our minerals protected and developed. What’s been happening shows that those in charge don’t give a damn until some disaster pops up. Don’t blame Trump. He’s the newcomer trying to change the way that’s been going on for a long time. I know cuz I’ve been watching, saying things, and experiencing for a long time concerning the liars liars pants on fire. We were those accused of being tree murderers and persecuted by those who didn’t know where the lumber for their homes came from. Now all the trees and homes are burning up. It’s terrifying horrific and sad. God help us all!

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 912pm – No. You moved there knowing the danger. But he should allow you to clear an appropriate amount of his land to make your house safe.

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I know the fire ordinances and regulations, the pony tail of ignorance is just justifying his name by showing he does not.

    Here is one for Gregory –
    “The sun is entering one of the deepest Solar Minima of the Space Age,” wrote Dr Tony Phillips just six weeks ago, on 27 Sep 2018.
    Sunspots have been absent for most of 2018 and Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding, says Phillips, editor of spaceweather.com.
    Data from NASA’s TIMED satellite show that the thermosphere (the uppermost layer of air around our planet) is cooling and shrinking, literally decreasing the radius of the atmosphere.
    https://www.iceagenow.info/lack-of-sunspots-to-bring-record-cold-warns-nasa-scientist/
    😉

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  17. Scott O Avatar

    from Paul – “The question was posed for George anyway.”
    I’ve posed several questions directed at you, Paul and you refuse to answer.
    But of course the rest of us are to kowtow to you and snap to with your questions.
    Why don’t you get your lazy-assed left winged self down there and clear the brush?
    Oh, because you are the high and exalted news guy at the local radio station.
    Typical left winged do-nothing.
    Just bitch and moan until someone else does the work.

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  18. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Bonnie, why should we be pay through the nose for Canadian lumber when we could supply ourselves with a rational forestry policy? PC policies actually kill people unlike the dems who say any disagreement with them kills people.
    😉

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  19. Russ Avatar
    Russ

    Trump Is Right: Poor Land Management Is Leading to Bigger California Fires
    Federal lands have not been managed for decades, threatening adjacent private forests, while federal funds designated for forest maintenance have been ‘borrowed’ for fire suppression expenses. The policies frequently reduce the economic value of the forest to zero. And, with no intrinsic worth remaining, interest in maintaining the forest declined, and with it, resources to reduce the fuel load.
    An awesome amount of forest made wide swaths of California a tinderbox just waiting for a spark.
    According to the USDA Forest Service, there are an estimated 129 million dead trees over a territory of 8.9 million acres across California—a fact that even liberal Vox brought attention to as a major concern. And this doesn’t even account for the shrubs and brush that have been the primary contributors to the most recent fires.
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/11/13/trump-is-right-poor-land-management-is-leading-to-bigger-california-fires/

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  20. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    It’ll be interesting to see how the Blue Mob handles the whole thing. It’s a single party state after all and is certainly capable of providing highly efficient gubmint run programs for fire dealings.
    I expect the following important steps to be taken.
    . California state .gov asks for more federal money.
    . California state .gov makes it more difficult to do anything effective.
    . Committees are formed at various levels.
    . PGE/SCE shuts down the power every time there’s a breeze
    . Lots and lots of online bitching about global warming without mentioning China or the fact that any changes in behavior, if they made a difference, would take 100 years (or whatever) to take effect.
    . Getting from Fresno to Bakersfield quickly will be on the front burner.

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  21. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    me@8:15
    The main thrust of the article is that there is a disincentive for forest management to use planned burns for various reasons. An institutional push for suppression, liability concerns, fear of management for getting in trouble, clean air standards. Physical clearing hits the problem of access and wilderness areas of course.
    also…the question of funding:
    “For individual
    NFs, there is little economic incentive
    to change because fire suppression is
    steadfastly financed through dedicated congressional
    appropriations, which are augmented
    with emergency funding, whereas
    fuels reduction and prescribed burning
    costs come out of a limited budget allotted
    to each NF and is often borrowed to cover
    wildfire suppression costs. With these deterrents,
    “battling” fire and “only you can
    prevent wildfire” campaigns have more
    traction than recognizing that many severe
    fires result from accrued management decisions.
    This skewing of agency motivation
    also distorts economic, insurance, and local
    regulatory incentives that influence development
    in fire-prone regions.”

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    NPR, true to form, ran a big piece this morning dunning as FALSE (from Politifact) Trump’s pointing to poor forest management as the major contributor to forest fires. They identified climate change as the major contributor, followed by development in the trees. The whole report smacked strongly of A21’s big government solution managing people into stack&pack communities.

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  23. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “A21’s big government solution managing people into stack&pack communities.”
    It often comes down to that, doesn’t it? For all I know, even the Blue Mob here in whiteopia likes the idea of apartments in the city. Given their fetish for the Third World and love of a dense and vibrant community, maybe a few years in a cheap flat in Lagos or Shanghai might be just the thing as an educational experience.
    It’s funny how often an attractive solution is ginned up and then goes looking for a problem to solve.

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    db 928pm
    I’ve been watching such things at spaceweather.com and here at
    https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/09/27/the-chill-of-solar-minimum/

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  25. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    And then there is this –
    “Our error margins are too big now to really weigh in on the precise amount of warming that’s going on in the ocean,” Keeling said. “We really muffed the error margins.”
    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-climate-study-error-20181113-story.html
    😉

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  26. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    The buck stops with The Dotard-in-Chief. He has had plenty of time to give money to the Interior Dept. and FS to get after the forest fuel loads.
    The three branches of government wasted their time on giving themselves a tax break, not getting health care done, and fighting immigrants.
    Here is what his main man has been up to lately,
    https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/secretary-zinkes-schedule-october-27-november-2

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  27. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,yes George,,,breaking out the ol’ misery whip to whine about why nothing seems to get done because of damn EcoLibs and other conspiracy theories is a good way to distract the readers from the Trump post-election meltdown.
    The Gov has been trying to figure out what to do about forest fires since Smokey the Bear arrived on the scene in 1950 back when you were a young whippersnapper out in the flyover states.
    It takes money,,,yes,,,that stuff you and yours are constantly complaining that the ‘governmint’ is stealing from y’alls…
    “Managing the Impacts of Wildfire on Communities and the Environment: A Report to the President In Response to the Wildfires of 2000″—The National Fire Plan
    https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/migrated/pmb/owf/upload/2000-Report-to-the-President.pdf
    https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/usda-fy19-budget-summary.pdf ,,, see page 50+

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    The buck stops with The Dotard-in-Chief. He has had plenty of time to give money to the Interior Dept. and FS to get after the forest fuel loads.
    State of California Dead Tree and Timber survey estimates about 129 million dead trees in California. Amount cleared last year (between state and feds)………drum roll……1%!
    You could allocate a trillion dollars for removal and forest maintenance and it would still take 50 years to make a dent due to permitting delays and lawsuits!
    Does it hurt to be that stupid dugsKKKi?

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    He is what shows up with those lawyers to testify at courts defeating timber harvests. We need to change the laws.

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  30. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,George,,,your blogpost won’t fight any fires,,,too many holes in your conspiracies,,,
    ,,,Wildfire suppression in the United States has had a long and varied history. For most of the 20th century, any form of wildland fire, whether it was naturally caused or otherwise, was quickly suppressed for fear of uncontrollable and destructive conflagrations such as the Peshtigo Fire in 1871 and the Great Fire of 1910. In the 1960s, policies governing wildfire suppression changed due to ecological studies that recognized fire as a natural process necessary for new growth. Today, policies advocating complete fire suppression have been exchanged for those who encourage wildland fire use, or the allowing of fire to act as a tool, such as the case with controlled burns.
    ,,,When the U.S. Forest Service was established in 1905, it became the primary task of the Forest Service to suppress all fires on the forest reserves it administered. In 1916, the National Park Service was established and took over park management from the Army. Following the Forest Service approach, fire suppression became the only fire policy and remained in the national parks for the next five decades. Some foresters questioned the economic logic of such suppression efforts. However, the extensive fires of 1910 solidified the Forest Service as the premier fire control organization and fire suppression remained the only fire policy for all federal land management agencies until the late 1960s.[12]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_wildfire_suppression_in_the_United_States

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  31. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,brownlumpfish,,,it appears you are as smart as you are ugly,,,
    According to Culum Brown from Macquarie University, “Fish are more intelligent than they appear. In many areas, such as memory, their cognitive powers match or exceed those of ‘higher’ vertebrates including non-human primates.” Fish hold records for the relative brain weights of vertebrates.

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  32. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,fishtard,,, I already posts about the dead and dying trees,,,try to keep up.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/1/17800358/california-mendocino-wildfire-dead-trees

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I have been fighting the stupid laws the state and feds have passed for more than 30 years. I along with many in the industry warned these things would happen. Now they are and it has nothing to do with “climate change”. It is all about the democrats and eco’s “saving” the forests which we see has “backfired” no pun intended. So we are all at risk that live in these forests as the politicians are so afraid of the eco’s they will let us all burn up.

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  34. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,Billionaire loggers are cashing in,,,
    ,,,When the government sells contracts to cut down trees after fires in national forests—a controversial practice known as post-fire salvage logging—Emmerson buys in at a steep discount, often paying one half to one fourth the price for traditional wood. Sierra Pacific then turns the usable lumber (about 90%) into boards and other wood products to sell to homebuilders and lumber retailers like Home Depot, Menards and Lowe’s.
    We’ll be in there before the smoke is out,” vows timber baron Red Emmerson, who Forbes estimates makes more money from logging after forest fires than anyone in America”
    Sierra Pacific has little competition, thanks to a 1990 law that prohibits bidding from any lumber companies that export logs. That eliminates rivals like publicly traded Weyerhaeuser and Rayonier as well as big Canadian firms.
    https://www.forbes.com/feature/archie-emmerson-timber-forest-fires-logging/#4d0cd94a64f9

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  35. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    I can’t see that climate change, regardless of the cause, has much to do with the immediate problem of fire. If it’s anthropogenic, it’ll take centuries to really change. If not, there’s nothing to be done.
    It does give people a chance to push an agenda, though.
    My guess is that the underlying tension will be between the coastal (and numerous) Blue Mob who want the forests to be wilderness areas vs. people who live there. One answer is to not allow habitation in areas with trees or grass, the other is to do something fairly drastic about it. My bet (as usual) is on the Blue Mob. Richer, more of them, louder.

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  36. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “The buck stops with The Dotard-in-Chief. He has had plenty of time to give money to the Interior Dept. and FS to get after the forest fuel loads.”
    lol. Oh come on, pull the other one.
    The guy has been in office barely two years, there’s a hundred years of inertia in the system, special interest groups galore, no clear answer.
    This is the kind of anti-Trump nonsense that makes the more reasonable complaints sound silly too.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    We note that M has said literally nothing relevant or new to this conversation. Blaming corporatists for taking advantage of laws they bought/instigated from corrupt and ignorant politicians is not an indictment of capitalism, but of big government that has a ‘for sale’ sign prominently displayed. But his most egregious ignorance is that he thinks the sentiments in my commentary are somehow unique to RR (no matter the included links). This one-sided awareness of the national dialogue’s contents is what makes cross-chasm conversations so unproductive and validates the country’s polarization.

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  38. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    Santa Cruz County forester Matt Bissell said redwood log prices have risen and landowners are seeing good returns.
    “But with all of the drought mortality in the Sierra, the pine market is flooded and prices are low,” Bissell said. “Some long-term landowners are losing money to get rid of the fire and beetle hazard.”
    “Another problem is tree mortality, particularly in the central Sierra, but we’re seeing the bark beetles moving farther north and they are now being found in El Dorado,” he said. “Right now, there’s a glut of fire- and beetle-killed trees on the market and there aren’t enough mills to take all those dead trees.”
    https://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/local-news/6954-california-timber-market-improves-amid-concerns

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    there aren’t enough mills to take all those dead trees.”
    And why would that be?
    😉

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think there are no large log mills but Lincoln has the last small log mill.

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  41. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,sure george,,, nothing new,,,except for the part you left out that fire suppression has not been the only method of forest management for the last 60-years.

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  42. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “fire suppression has not been the only method of forest management for the last 60-years.”
    In Southern California, I’d say that the primary form of suppression has been paving.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Our biggest fire threat in our Nevada City area is from neglected private land that has built up huge fuel loads that are an immediate threat to neighbors. i paid to clear my property to safe levels but private land holdings in the Deer Creek Canyon have done nothing to ease the problem. What ideas do you have to alleviate this? The properties have no assets (houses-buildings) on the land and very little timber so logging is not a help. If Nevada City were to suffer a Paradise fate it would likely be from a fire roaring up the Deer Creek Canyon.

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  44. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Our biggest fire threat in our Nevada City area is from neglected private land”
    Given that nearly all of a city is private land, that’s hard to avoid.
    This is an opportunity for news! Seize it! It’s a lot more interesting than yammering on about Stormy Daniels in any case.
    It’s a chance to interview someone who knows the area well. Interview some fire dudes. Look at some maps. Think about the difficulty/expense in the whole deal, dealing with the planning commission, if Deer Creek actually is private land, the laws concerning whacking away at a lot of trees next to a creek, what’ll happen to you when the trail people get wind of any plan like that.
    Carpe diem!

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: M | 14 November 2018 at 11:46 AM
    Hmm……I figured you would be crowing about that other news item, after all it’s really a win/win for you, cheap yard care/house work/restaurant help and the only issue that shows any hope at chipping away at the presidents base.
    https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/13/video-shows-group-climbing-on-border-fence/
    I already posts about the dead and dying trees….
    Yes….dugsKKKi you already posts about the deads and dyings trees. Thanks yous fors thes wells crafteds sentences!
    …..and I do especially enjoy that the link you posted only serves to reinforce my comment, not to mention Georges post, and undermine yours! Pure dugsKKKi in action!
    From the link!
    “Doing all this takes money, and bringing down fire risks will take years. Politically, it’s easier to muster the resources to put out a fire than it is to prevent one, especially when groups like the timber industry and environmental activists are diametrically opposed on certain kinds of management techniques, like forest thinning. That means states and the federal government will face a slog of litigation and red tape as they try to bring fire risks down.”
    Not much Trumpian neglect here nitwit! Sounds just like what I said!
    “California is taking some steps to systematically reduce fire hazards. The state legislature on Friday passed a $1 billion fire risk reduction package. It give grants over five years to communities to cut fuel breaks, thin flammable brush, and educate firefighters. The bill also relaxes rules on logging to make it easier to get to some of the most flammable trees.”
    Hmmmmm……relaxes rules…….where has that been suggested.

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    M 144pm – Sure, but anyone who has studied the progress of wildfires in the US knows that once Smokey was commissioned and better fire fighting technologies became available, then fire suppression became the main cause, without a nearby second, of fuel build-ups that gave rise to disastrous fires. The next tranche of idiots to come along on this avenue were the econuts who are now litigiously dominant in suppressing all the various modes of keeping our forests healthy and usable by the public.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    What ideas do you have for dealing with the fuel buildup in the Deer Creek Canyon?

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scenes
    KVMR along with Yubanet have sponsored four town hall meetings at the Nevada theater in the past two years on fire related issues. We’re currently working on another one with Yubanet topic being “It can happen here” possible early Dec.

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  49. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “KVMR along with Yubanet have sponsored four town hall meetings at the Nevada theater in the past two years on fire related issues.”
    and what exactly has that accomplished?

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  50. George Rebane Avatar

    PualE 331pm – Don’t know what kind of fuels have built up there. But using state funds set aside for clearing highly flammable corridors and canyon ‘pipes’ would be proper. You always have to recall that this land and its vegetation have evolved to burn regularly. Such evolution took no account of human habitation the risks for which we who live here should accept responsibility. Is it fair and equitable to ask flatlanders to pay for reducing mountain forest fuel loads, or inlanders to pay for hurricane property damage for those living at the beach and surge zones? I don’t think so.

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