[Apologies for the last sandbox getting a little rancid there. We just returned from travel and I let things get away from me. Well, now with all the additional stuff that's happened, there is a lot of catching up to do. This morning NPR did a couple of hit pieces on President Trump, nimbly circling their innuendo wagons to blame him and the Republicans for all the current tragedies – happened and impending – while wondering why the other side doesn't stop "their hateful rhetoric" that is causing all this. Of course, constantly pointing this out, their hands somehow remain clean. gjr]
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282 responses to “Sandbox – 28oct18”
I’m sure this didn’t help……
http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/19/arizona-democrat-kyrsten-sinema-attacked-bullshit-stay-home-moms-leeching-off-husbands/
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‘“Arizona is the meth lab of democracy” ….not a bad line but hardly the way to endear yourself to the electorate!’
Yeah, I’ve seen all the Sinema quotes.
The thing is that a lot of AZ voters don’t think of themselves as Arizonans or even Americans.
Mocking traditional culture, and in the long run destroying it, is a perfectly acceptable concept with 1/2 of the 21st C. electorate.
It’s OK really. It isn’t like cultures last forever, and something new will take it’s place. Some other large group of people with a strong internal glue (the Chinese perhaps? some new thing?) will take the place of the Anglosphere. We had a good run while it lasted. The Blue Mob is just a symptom, not a cause.
It’s the interregnum that’s going to be the ugly part.
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,,,sending 5000 troops to defend The Great Wall??? I thought the wall was going to be impenetrable???
,,,more like a Useless Crap Wall!!! Waste of Money!!!
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re: M2:23PM
I can’t say they’ve built much in the way of new physical barriers yet.
BTW:What do you think immigration law should be?
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Sinema on the average up .2. Usually Paul Emery you use the average why not this time?
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Well Fish if you have never been in the business I’m in you don’t understand the responsibility of producing a concert. The SF Mimes have been going for 60 years, have won many international awards and are one of the most respected professional theater groups in the country. They may not be your cup of tea but that’s not a concern of mine. I felt there was a possibility of a violent confrontation in that situation so I acted appropriately. The person involved has been identified and the police have been involved in watching him. He has a history of mental illness and rage and lives in our community.
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Do tell –
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/30/mexican-ambassador-u-s-some-migrant-caravan-very-violent/
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My quote was very specific Todd. “Most recent poll.” We’ll find out on Tues.
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Yes we know you cherry pick and twist the facts Paul Emery. And we will see what happens next week.
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We will Todd. By the way how are your favorite “Unskewed Polls” doing this year ? You were a big believer in 2014. Refresh us as to how they did?
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,,,scenes@230pm,,,
Don’t separate families and lose their children!!!
Process people in an orderly and timely manner!!!
If an immigrant can make it across the border,,,they are Home Free!!! If Trump’s Crap Wall doesn’t stop them, oh well!!!
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re: m@3:01PM
“Don’t separate families and lose their children!!!” Keep in mind that there is nothing new to how that works. It’s a system that Trump inherited, regardless of the history rewrite that is going on. Remember that if a child=get out of jail card, everybody is going to bring a child, related or not….which is exactly what happened.
“Process people in an orderly and timely manner!!!” That all depends on the number of people entering. If the system is overwhelmed, guess what happens.
“If an immigrant can make it across the border,,,they are Home Free!!!” Ah…I see. That is the issue. If anyone entering the country gets to stay, whether they sneak in or use a ‘temporary’ visa, that’s the rub. I’m afraid our Civil War will get fought over that one. The US could probably accumulate 100M new people in a decade or so given that model, just think of the vibrant diversity!!!! I’m assuming that you are against physical barriers, even if San Diego gets overrun.
Check it out PaulE!!! M has a policy!
So Paul…should anyone who sets foot within the boundaries of the US get to stay forever?
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They should be evaluated as to whether they are eligible for asylum if they apply.
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,,,scenes,,,”’If an immigrant can make it across the border,,,they are Home Free!!!”’
Think Berlin Wall. How many East Germans were sent back across the border once they made it over the wall???
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,,,Right wing Caravan hysteria is a real thing!!!
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For what it’s worth here’s Nate Silvers look at next weeks Congressional elections.
“All of this sets up what could be a feast-or-famine evening for Democrats next Tuesday. They have a huge number of opportunities to win Republican seats — around 100 of them! And yet, it would be hard to circle more than about 12 or 15 of these districts that can safely be predicted to wind up in Democrats’ hands. If things go roughly to form nationwide, Democrats almost certainly will get there. But even a modest pro-GOP polling error — if Republicans were to beat their polls by 2 or 3 points across the board — would revert the overall race to being a toss-up. Conversely, even a modest, pro-Democratic polling error could send their number of pickups careening into the 50s, or higher. The wide ranges in our forecast reflect the uncertain conditions on the ground.”
Here’s a link to the entire piece.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-battleground-in-the-house-is-really-big-and-that-makes-life-hard-for-republicans/
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PaulE: “They should be evaluated as to whether they are eligible for asylum if they apply.”
That’s how it currently works, so I can’t see what all the fuss is. You are saying then that the current system is A-OK? Trump, after all, is basically making an attempt to enforce the current law.
I’ll give you a break here, though. Should people be eligible for asylum due purely to economic reasons? or just a general state of danger in their country? That’s not currently the case except for special dispensations given now and again to favored groups.
Keep in mind that you have defined probably 3/4 of the world’s population at that point. Lacking border enforcement, I would hope that the results are fairly obvious.
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What happened to the “Wall ” that Trump promised? He has, for now, total control of the House and Senate and there’s nothing. It’s what to expect from our Liar in Chief.
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“Right wing Caravan hysteria is a real thing!!!”
Realistically I think it’s more a matter of viewing the Caravan as similar to the results of paying ransom. It never really ends.
What do you think will happen if the US lets in 5k-10k people because they want to improve their well-being and appear unable to do it on their own in their native country?
Another 5k? 50k? 500k? In 30 years, the Central American immigrant group in the US went from 300k to 3M+. 30 more years, and the border simply becomes a fictional line on a map.
I guess it’s all just payback for the US (and Canada) grabbing the part of the Americas that had all the roads.
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Scenes
According to the HHS spokeswoman this morning, 80% of the asylum seekers are denied aslym by the legal process. She also said every illegal immigrant costs our country $31,000/year. Or was that $32k/year? Of the ones (line jumpers) who are given a court date to appear for their alsym claims, 3% or less show up to court and have disappeared into the homeland. That’s who we are dealing with. A person applying for asylum, unlike a person applying for entry, is given benefits and housing vouchers…and a bus ticket, lol. Come to America. No speak English, no read or write Spanish, no skills. What are the chances the majority of the members of the caravan can succeed in today’s America without being on the dole? Who are these people? How can we vet them before they touch US soil? Answer: our legal orderly process. But noooo. They don’t want that. That’s why they jump the border and jump the line ahead of law abiding and good people that follow the rules wanting. We reward folks who cut in line.
If the standard of fear is “domestic violence”, that means every single person from around the globe can come here, receive benefits, be a net drain on our society and safety net, not to mention driving wages down for entry level Americans and legal immigrants. How do you prove someone from Bum, Egypt or Bali does not have a fear of domestic violence? How do you prove a person from Chad does have a fear of domestic violence? What, are we back to Christie Ford making claims without one witness who she personally named backing her story? The best storytellers will be believable, lol.
Senator Feinstein once said back in the day that California will not become Mexico’s welfare state. Guess we are stuck with becoming Central America’s welfare state.
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re: Nate Silvers sez “”All of this sets up what could be a feast-or-famine evening for Democrats next Tuesday. ”
Which means, “I have no clue”.
My best guess is that we are coming to the end of professional polling as being a useful tool in political forecasting. Big Data + AI will likely result in much more accurate predictions, and you’ll have no clue why it came to it’s conclusions. It might be that Snickers bars sales combined with Facebook SIGINT might be enough to call a race.
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PaulE: “What happened to the “Wall ” that Trump promised? He has, for now, total control of the House and Senate and there’s nothing. ”
Oh come on. You know that’s not true. If he had total control of the House/Senate (plus the Courts and lawsuits), the Wall would be further on it’s way.
I’m too old and tired to post up the 100 roadblocks that effort has had.
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Ok. Suppose we decide tomorrow to let 2 million additional people in the USA on top of the 1-1.5 million we grant entry into our homeland each year and the 650,000 have have overstayed their visas. Just 2 million additional ones. But, 4 million show up. What to do, oh what to do?????
So, who decides of the 4 million folks who show at the border which two million of the folks are given the thumbs up and which of the the other half are given the thumbs down?? Anyway you slice it, it all gets back to having a legal process to decide. It all gets back to legal vs illegal. Even in my example of an additional 4 million folks or which two million will be taken in, it stil requires a good orderly legal process to sort it out. Can’t get around the law in a nation of laws, not men. Otherwise we have open borders where anyone can come and go as they please.
Hard to make tax policy or write grants or put money to roads and services or build structures if the population is not controlled and numbered. The government has an obligation to the people and the people have their obligations to the government. Taxes and services. If not, we have no country, just a place called America. No common language, no common culture, no common goals, no common thang that is the glue that binds any sovereign nation. We cease to be America if we have migrations of folks coming and going as they please. An athesis once told me around God. GOD= Good Orderly Direction. A legal process.
It is antithetical to me, as a rule of thumb, to reward bad behavior.. Cut in line? Go to the back of the line. Crossing the border illegally and not at a port of entry is a bad way to start the relationship between the host country and the guest in a nation of laws.
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The fact is Scenes is that Trump is a lousy politician and doesn’t have a clue how to get legislation through the Congress. Other than the tax cut show me one piece of major Legislation he has conceived of and soldiered through the Congress. He’s all talk and no show. A big mouth bullshitter and serial liar.
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“The fact is Scenes is that Trump is a lousy politician and doesn’t have a clue how to get legislation through the Congress. ”
OK, so you don’t like Trump because he was unable to push through legislation for the Wall.
Just think dude, you wanted a third party candidate all these years and now you’re surprised when they have trouble with the existing one party state. Go figure.
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Remember when Paul said this?
“I’m hoping the Dems will win the House. Gridlock is our best hope.”
I wonder how many times he’s said a throwaway line similar to that. lol. Now Trump is a bad guy because he can’t ram through legislation.
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 30 October 2018 at 04:05 PM
A big mouth bullshitter and serial liar.
With those credentials I’m surprised he’s not a concert promoter!
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Damned if you do, damned it you don’t. Aha! A new theme to track! You can’t win with liberals. Too funny.
Next thing you know the liberal media will be quoting the Bible, lol.
https://m.facebook.com/BuckSexton/photos/a.568156706588519/2180247622046078/?type=3&source=48
Trump was right. This guy is dumb. You can’t fix stupid.
https://www.facebook.com/BuckSexton/photos/a.568156706588519/2180290485375125/?type=3&theater
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Posted by: scenes | 30 October 2018 at 04:11 PM
I wonder how many times he’s said a throwaway line similar to that. lol. Now Trump is a bad guy because he can’t ram through legislation.
Right now I imagine Punch is spinning in circles trying desperately to decode your last remark!
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“It’s amazing how people who believe that over-heated political rhetoric causes mass murder compare their opponents to Nazis without hesitation.” —Rich Lowry
Heritage Foundation Immigration Report
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/immigration-law-and-enforcement-dire-need-clarity-and-major-overhaul
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For a “journalist” Paul Emery is one dumb ass person. The R’s and Trump have signed and put in place a heck of a lot of laws and policies. Trump has booted thousands of liberal regulations that were strangling American business and life. My goodness I now see why American hate your profession more than they hate Trump. You cannot even e honest about the most trivial and easily found facts!
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Berlin wall @329 – What a perfect example of what passes for a liberal education. The Berlin wall was to keep people in not out. What a maroon.
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”’For a “journalist” Paul Emery is one dumb ass person”’ – by Todd
,,,this gem is brought to you by Sad Todd,,,the only blogger to get kicked off The Union’s comment board!!!
What a loser!!!
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I was just noting that Trump is a lousy politician nothing more than that. The cheese stands alone.
Yes, I’m hoping the Dems take the House. The only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system. Gridlock is the way to go.
Todd
Can you list Trumps accomplishments other than Executive actions. Health care none, defect soaring, no infrastructure bill…… Show me his Legislative accomplishments.
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JUST THINK OF THE MEDIA AS DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVES WITH BYLINES, AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE: Why did nobody mention that Robert “Beto” O’Rourke’s wife is a billionaire heiress?
https://spectator.us/beto-orourkes-wife-billionaire/
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and of course no wall, no immigration reform…
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Posted by: M | 30 October 2018 at 05:00 PM
What a loser!!!
Says a man whose most important job each day is shitting himself!
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The pony tail of ignorance is showing off his low lights again @ 507-
You just don’t like the immigration reform that has been done and your going to hate the next wave re; birthright misinterpretation. Even Harry Reed was for this in 90’s. The 14th is about slaves kids not illegals. No court has ruled it applies to illegals kids.
About 3 billion in wall has been funded and is under construction. Here are your peaceful invaders.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/10/30/report-central-american-migrants-set-fire-to-mexican-immigration-facility/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/30/immigration-reformers-thank-trump-for-challenging-outdated-concept-of-birthright-citizenship/
😉
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Hey here is some competition for the title of po’ ol’ fakenewsman –
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-slammed-as-disgraceful-after-jake-tapper-silent-when-guest-says-trump-radicalized-more-people-than-isis
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Hat trick! Does this surprise anyone other than team 0, hell they probably privately knew it would happen-
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/taliban-spokesman-5-men-freed-gitmo-exchange-bergdahl-join-insurgents-qatar/
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Don
Under construction? Where. Three billion for construction of the wall? Where in the budget is that funding coming from? Has it been approved by congress?
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PaulE: “Yes, I’m hoping the Dems take the House. The only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system. Gridlock is the way to go.”
So I take it that California is a bad place to live.
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Exhibit Z1904 @532 why he is the undisputed champion pony tail of ignorance! LOL
WHAT! With the midterm elections just days away, there’s little indication that California is seeing a “blue wave” of Democratic votes, at least in the early returns of vote-by-mail ballots — and in some key races that will help determine control of the House, Republican voter response has been strong.
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/In-key-California-House-races-Republicans-are-13348696.php?t=1368369986
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DonB 459pm – the use of border walls for keeping people in or out is way too complex of an idea for progressives to grasp. To them these walls are all the same, to be interpreted in whatever convenient way du jour to continue their narrative. And the sad part is that they can get away with that ignorance because their core constituency has even more modest credentials in that department.
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Here’s some details aout what has been funded for Trumps Fake Wall
Also, rather than one of the 30-foot tall prototypes for the wall that Trump visited on March, any additional security is limited to the same model of fencing and levees currently used along the border.
In total, the bill contains three separate outlays for changes to physical border barriers:
$251 million for 14 miles of new secondary fencing along the border in the San Diego sector. This was a request from Trump’s budget.
$445 million to replace existing fencing. According to congressional aides, this should refurbish 45 miles worth of barriers.
$641 million for 33 miles of new fencing and levees in the Rio Grande Valley sector.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wall-funding-for-mexico-border-in-spending-bill-2018-3
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Scenes 5:37
So you are admitting that the Repubs in California are pathetic. Thanks for the clarification.
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Talks about a massive fail in the face of all these major stories, that’s what you get when you peddle fakenews and crazy hyperbole. So much for the millennial blue wave, they have tuned out team lefty’s megaphones.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/10/30/october-ratings-cnn-wipes-out-msnbc-sheds-20-of-younger-viewers/
😉
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You forget the budget just passed and that’s why you are the pony tail of ignorance. Hell you didn’t even know any of this an hour ago! LOL
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Don @ 6:18 pm
Literally nothing to see here at CNN. It’s just unicorns
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2018/10/30/facts-first-cnn-political-commentator-calls-migrant-caravan
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Does anyone listen to them anymore? The narratives of the lamesteram-
“You could soon pay more for worse food. Thanks, Donald Trump,” blared a Washington Post headline on December 6.
“A Donald Trump presidency could lead to food shortage in the U.S.,” an article on Quartz declared.
Reason magazine, a libertarian publication, declared as recently as July that “Trump’s Tariffs Are Going To Make Your Food More Expensive.”
“Your wine and food prices are going to rise when Donald Trump takes office,” a piece on MarketWatch warned.
What actually happened –
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2018/10/30/farm-prices-fall-again-defying-anti-trump-predictions-of-higher-food-prices/
MAGA 😉
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