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Sandbox – 22aug18

22 August 2018

[Well, as testimony to the exciting times in which we live, the old sandbox filled in a day or so. Please use the last Scattershots to ensconce your comments about the implications of Cohen's attempt to incriminate his former boss of illegal campaign spending. gjr]

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212 responses to “Sandbox – 22aug18”

Scott Obermuller

23 August 2018

from Paul – “So if Obama based his “assessment on what he thought was the truth and it turned out not to be not so than that example, being his observations on doctor availability under ObamaCare, that does not, in your view, constitute a lie.”
There’s a reason it’s called Obamacare, Paul – it was his baby.
Obama knew when he said ‘average family will save 2500 a year’ and ‘if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor’ that those were untrue statements. He wasn’t wondering about an unknown future he was openly lying about his plans to fool Americans into voting for him and his scheme. He was lying to sell you a bill of goods and in your case Paul, that was pretty darn easy to do.

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

Also George and Gregory do you believe Trump was truthful when he stated and instructed his staff to say :
Hope Hicks “We have no knowledge of any of this.”
In January of this year attorney Michael Cohen said the allegations were “outlandish.”
Raj Shah and Sarah Huckabee Sanders — said publicly that Trump denied all the allegations and any payments.
Cohen’s attorney, David Schwartz, saying the president “was not aware of any of it.”
Trump answered a question about whether he knew about a payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, with a flat “no.
( see 5:19)
Do you believe that Trump was honest in all those statements that were made by him and under his direction and really didn’t find out till “later”?

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

And Trump wasn’t lying Scott in the above quotes?

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Gregory

23 August 2018

punchy 616pm
Talk about gullible!
I can’t believe you think that Obama actually thought that the ACA meant if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor and if you liked your plan you could keep your plan. Are you that Gruberized?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-thanks-to-jonathan-gruber-for-revealing-obamacare-deception/2014/11/17/356514b2-6e72-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.79e5fdba7e19
Please note the source is the WaPo, not Fox.

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George Rebane

23 August 2018

PaulE 616pm – Indeed, if it can be shown that he was sincere and had no idea that his own Obamacare would remove Americans’ ability to retain their physicians, then he was just ignorant of what he was inflicting on the nation, therefore he was not lying. But, of course, that’s a stretch since he and his staff were intimate with the at least the major parameters of the ACA bill. But who knows, maybe it can be shown that his staff or the congressional Dem leadership lied to him.
Marty 616pm – “… Hillary isn’t a liar.”??! My definition of a lie has been on record here for years. There’s a strong possibility that you may not have the wherewithal to debate in these pages. But then again, you may yet show us something to belie that assessment – one can only hope.

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Scott Obermuller

23 August 2018

Ah, Paul is at it again. I called him out on his stupid gullibility and his pitiful attempted defence of Obama. Paul really thought Obama was against gay marriage. And that he would balance the budget. And that American families would save 2500 a year. And that the oceans would stop rising. But of course after not answering my questions for the umpteenth time, he starts his ‘yes or no’ tirade. Sorry Paul – you don’t warrant an answer until you can start acting like an adult and politely answer other folks questions.
And answering a question with another question doesn’t count.
For example – “what question”?

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Bill Tozer

23 August 2018

The Trumpsters are fleeing Trump in droves. They got us on the ropes now, people. It’s over. All that virtue signaling has paid off. A very dark day.
https://patriotpost.us/memes/57819-say-what

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

Fair enough George re you’re 6:56. On the same topic do you believe it could be possible that Trump knew nothing about the assorted payments till the vague “later” that he refers to?
Really not talking about Obama and gay marriage here Scott. Why is it relevant to this conversation? Perhaps he just changed his mind like several NC Supervisors did concerning legal Marijuana grows.

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

By the way Scott I was not a supporter of Obamacare so I’m that interested in the pro’s and cons you refer to.

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George Rebane

23 August 2018

PaulEd 737pm – It’s plausible that he didn’t know about the details of the individual payments to women with whom he had ‘liasons’. That’s what Cohen was hired for, so that Trump could tell him to handle these cases without having to report who got what when – plausible deniability and all that. The only detail that had to involve Trump was from which of his accounts Cohen would get the payoff money. Do you think this is likely scenario on how things went down?

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Marty

23 August 2018

Rebane – Of course! Sorry to deflate your incredible ego but I haven’t been following you “for years.” More like since 5:00. Leafing back through recent posts you are delusional to think your blog is about debate. It is more like an auto erotic rubbing post for a small handful of right wing fanatics who dogpile on anything remotely outside the shadows of your goose steps.

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Bill Tozer

23 August 2018

Ramirez-Velasco, a native of Mexico, was arrested by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in 2008 and deported, the Sheriff’s Office said. He later returned illegally to the United States.
http://www.theledger.com/news/20180820/pcso-mulberry-man-31-had-sex-with-16-year-old-girl-20-times

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Gregory

23 August 2018

Punchy 643pm
Again… Stormy Daniels? Inconsequential.
“Marty” 757pm
I take it autoeroticism is a focus of your life. Finish it up, clean up your mess and then try again to post something that shows a glimmer of rationality

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Gregory

23 August 2018

Regarding the Marty sock who has found the time to post here today… the rhetoric seems strangely familiar… like that of Linda Campbell, the hard left trustee of the NJUHSD who is running for reelection to the high school board, against the same James Hinman she beat four years ago, by something like a 51/49 split.
Certainly, after being arrested in court for contempt recently, it took some gumption to run again. I’d wish her good luck but it would not be sincere.

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Robert Cross

23 August 2018

Marty 7:57. –you nailed it… LOL!
scotty Boy 5:52 “Bobby is really in love with this millionaire tax cheat. I called him on it and he tried to claim he doesn’t really believe Cohen. ” You must truly live in an alternate reality or are delusional as I have never stated I didn’t “really believe Cohen.” I believe every word he has said and so did a federal court, the FBI, the Special Council, and the public.
Greggy 8:05 — “Again… Stormy Daniels? Inconsequential.” I agree it is inconsequential except for the FACT the paying her off violated federal election finance laws and is a felony that trump has admitted to being involved in. You folks are beginning to unravel in your feeble attempts to defend Donald trump’s continuous stream of lies and deceit that are now coming to light.
Bill 7:58 — What about all of the home born home raised rapists and murders? The only reason this is in the news is because it plays into trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric and his stupid fucking wall. Did you see the story about the drug tunnel between Mexico and an empty Walmart in Texas? That is how the drugs really get into the US.. the wall is a fart in a tin can.

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Todd Juvinall

23 August 2018

BoobieC, give it a rest. We have destroyed you and your arguments. Stop it before you lose what is left of your brain cells.

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Gregory

23 August 2018

Bobby 826pm
It may keep his Martha’s Vineyard social calendar clear for some time to come, but Alan Dershowicz is pretty clear on this… it was legal to pay Stormy to keep quiet, and Trump has not copped a plea. Silly boy.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html
It was on MSNBC.

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scenes

23 August 2018

re: Robert Cross “the wall is a fart in a tin can.”
So I take it you are in favor of spending the money on ICE enforcement instead?
You can certainly make that argument.

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Don Bessee

23 August 2018

You know it is a new era when liberal south African think tanks agree with the President –
President Donald Trump’s announcement that he has directed his Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, to ‘study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers’ is another indication of the damage that the reckless handling of South Africa’s ‘land question’ is doing.
Expropriation without compensation (EWC) has become one of the dominant themes in the country’s politics. This has been deliberately driven by the government and ruling party, even though survey evidence has shown that land – particularly in the agrarian sense – is not a priority for South Africa’s people.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/23/liberal-south-africa-think-tank-trump-is-right-about-land-reform/
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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

Inconsequential?
Gregory, that’s you’re opinion. So be it. I don’t agree.

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

George 7:32
I’ll get back to you tomorrow on this.

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Don Bessee

23 August 2018

Here is one place the trolls wont be able to hide behind a nom de plume –
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/23/us-airport-facial-recognition-first-imposter/?yptr=yahoo
😉

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

Another Trump tweet with no factual base.
“I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”
Khusela Diko, a spokesperson for Ramaphosa, said: “The presidency has noted Trump’s tweet, which is misinformed in our view. We will take up the matter through diplomatic channels.”
Trump’s latest tweet delighted white nationalists in the US, who have increasingly made South African land rights a talking point since he entered the White House.

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Paul Emery

23 August 2018

link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/23/trump-orders-close-study-of-south-africa-farmer-killings

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George Rebane

23 August 2018

Marty 757pm – You must note that you came here with your screeds, neither I nor anyone else here came to you. Therefore to regain your comfort and composure, you’re most welcome to leave and seek more compatible forums.

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Bill Tozer

23 August 2018

Mr. Cross @ 8:26 pm
Yep right. Sure, it won’t stop all those sneaking in across the sSouthetn Border, but it will help. I can show you that the Wall will eadily pay for itself in short order, but why bother?
Where have you been. Nobody crosses illegally unless the Cartel is involved. They are making more trafficking in people than they made trafficking in drugs. The routes are all set up. It’s huge business. For a price, they will get ya from point A to point B. The Silk Highway. Of course, if you are short on cash, you will get raped. Or, just for kicks. Then when you are dropped off at the safe house across the border, you will get raped again on US soil. They control it all.
It’s big business. Billions are paid to Catholic Charities, foster homes, and the like to care for our new arrivals. They don’t want no wall either.
So, without no fart in the tin can Wall, it’s wide open. Cartel hitman can walk across and grab a kid along the way to cover. How about all those illegal guns coming across in the caravans, along with heroin and whatever the mob is peddling on the black market in our cities. It’s a crime syndicate from way way way below Mexico to Chicago, to Jersey, to all points here.
A Wall would at least start closing it down and making choke points. Freeing up manpower and resources to focus on the more heavily used human trafficking routes.
Guess what. Yuma sector is now wide open. Catch and release, just like before. The money to build holding facilities ain’t arriving and we ain’t going to house illegals on our military sector. They just did catch and release on 9,5000 illegals aliens. Maybe 7% will show up for court….in 5 years. They are home free.
Sounds like to me that a fart in a can would be an improvement. I could go on and on and say that the front door is they place to enter and this and that….but it’s a waste of breath.
Oh, I know we would never get a bill on the Wall as long as Paul Ryan opposed anything to do with it running the House. I just have to wait a bit longer. Meanwhile, let them Cartel hitmen walk across any time, any place they choose. Just so long as little babies are not separated from their unskilled uneducated Momms who are illiterate in their native tongue with no means to support her children. Heaven forbid they knock at the front door, which is open and safe and no paying the Cartel.
Bottomline: The Dems brought illegal aliens to sit with them at the State of the Union address. Trump brought Angel Families. Nuff said. Says it all.

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Bill Tozer

23 August 2018

Well, Dr. Rebane, you tried to get S. Africa and Cohen-Manafort fallout discussions under Scattershots. South Africa? Yep, Trump is listening once the alarm was sounded last week. Farmlands. But, I will be over on Scattershots on such subjects. 🙂

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Gregory

23 August 2018

punchy 902pm
“Inconsequential?
Gregory, that’s you’re opinion. So be it. I don’t agree.”
The only possible consequence for you is if could be used to knock out the Trump presidency… otherwise, nothing. You really don’t care about Trump’s dalliances 10 years before the election, or whether Marilyn Monroe was doing one or two of the Kennedy Bros.

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Bonnie McGuire

23 August 2018

Regarding the African farmers. I remember reading an article in Readers Digest about the destruction and turmoil during the 1950s. A destitute farm worker begged his former employer to rebuild his farm so he and others could prosper again. The rebels had destroyed everything. The former farm owner said he was too old to start over again, and if he did …it wouldn’t be long before some communist would talk his employees to destroy everything all over again. That article made me aware and watching from then on. Same o story over and over. That’s why Obamas half brother didn’t hate the white colonists in Africa, who actually improved things for everyone.

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Bill Tozer

23 August 2018

Did anybody notice that yesterday the DNC said they were under a cyperattack from the Russian and today they said, “Oppps, nevermind”.
Expect more of that to come. Ties in the Russian “9/11 equivalent” attacks on our nation with the campaign finance criminal activity narrative to steal an election in people’s mind. Perfect timing.
Trial run. Expect to hear more of such cyberattacks in the midterms. Ifs it’s a Blue Wave, the attack stories will go to crickets. If it ain’t a Blue Wave, the seeds of doubt will sprout casting a illegitimate shadow on the mid-terms. But the real set-up is for 2020. Trump will win it and the Dems will call it illegitimate. Rust never sleeps.
The DNC is under attack! Consider the source.
will have been cast on the legiti

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Don Bessee

23 August 2018

Woah dude, what a buzz kill for the burning man addicts –
Burners have experienced dozens of stops in the area of Nixon, a small town halfway between Reno and the Burning Man site in Northern Nevada’s Black Rock Desert. The town is on Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribal land, as is a long stretch of State Route 447, which passes through Nixon and is the only main road to the site.
The task force is working to achieve President Donald Trump’s mission to end the opioid epidemic in the U.S, according to Darling.
NOT EVEN GOOD LIARS –
While Tribal Chairman Vinton Hawley released a statement that the tribe was cooperating with the BIA, the letter from Burning Man organizers said the tribe “was not consulted, and that the BIA action would have commenced even if the (tribe) had refused to participate.”
https://www.rgj.com/story/life/arts/burning-man/2018/08/23/burning-man-threatens-sue-over-traffic-stops/1075780002/
😉

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Don Bessee

23 August 2018

You GO GIRL!
“I’ve heard from women saying I inspired them to take steps to defend themselves and get their concealed carry permits,” Spencer told Nashville’s Fox 17 News. “This was never what I planned although I love having a bigger platfrom and being able to empower women to protect themselves.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/24/recent-grad-tries-open-carry-in-nashville-after-pro-gun-photo-went-viral-earlier-this-year.html
😉

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’’’M’’’

24 August 2018

,,,trumpski’s po’ ol’ Pecker won’t cooperate with him anymore,,,
#SAD

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’’’M’’’

24 August 2018

,,,it’s tough luck,,,
https://mobile.twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1032806430921961472/photo/1

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Todd Juvinall

24 August 2018

I have asked our media if the stabbing dude in the local paper is legal or illegal. No response. Now he is threatening the Judge. Where is ICE?

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scenes

24 August 2018

Paul ‘Crickets’ Emery a while upstream referring to the President being misinformed about South African farmers and their travails:
“Another Trump tweet with no factual base.”
lmfao. Wait, what?! Do you think that there is no farm seizure, no threat of farm seizure, no widespread attacks on white farmers in South Africa?
I’m going to have to sit down for a second and marvel at this one.

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Todd Juvinall

24 August 2018

Looks like Trump was right again. The left is trying to claim he is wrong and a racist about the South Africa land takings. And the killing of farmers. Well, a NYT article that was supposed to bolster the left’s position actually bolsters Trump’s and Tuckers. Page 8A in today’s SACBEE states that the SA Prez and his government are trying to pass a Constitutional Amendment to take the white-owned farms. And there were only 47 farmers murdered this last year down from 66 the year before. So if you want to see how the media and the left twist facts, this is truly one for a good education.
I am debating a idiot on Twitter who called me a racist for even stating these facts. The person has no history education about “land ownership” in Africa but states his own “facts. You cannot make this stuff up.

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fish

24 August 2018

Posted by: ’’’M’’’ | 24 August 2018 at 06:51 AM
,,,trumpski’s po’ ol’ Pecker won’t cooperate with him anymore,,,
A condition with which you are well acquainted I imagine.

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Bill Tozer

24 August 2018

There is a post about South Africa genocide of white farmers under Scattershots. But, to be fair, if you google the issue, everything is “it’s a lie”, racist lie, nothing to see here. Totally buried, totally denied. I beg to differ.
The government of South Africa is not keeping stats or is calling the murders as robberies or is not even reporting them, and worse, stopped even sending constables to investigate. They are on their own. And it’s not just the farmland in the boonies. Cape Town is not even safe for whites in their own homes. People live in isolation, having to lock every door behind them (with security systems) within their own as the move from one room to another. Private security forces are 5 times the number of LE in cities. There is no other option.
All welfare and safety nets for white people has been cut off…food, shelter, even medical.
Since only 8% of the population is white, wholesale mass firings of white folks working in labs and industry are occurring. If the population of the country is 92% black, then every factory can only have 8% whites.
Mostly for Miss Bonnie.
For those who have time, you can google Farmlands and watch the documentary for free on You Tube. I must say Farmlands is not nearly as gruesome as other reports that have been buried. And if you are interested in Farmlands, skip over the background history that starts off the documentary.
Short trailer
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONs1gpwkCrk
The official government stance is they would never do anything illegal. So, they will change their constitution to make land grabs legal. That was what Trump’s about. Already, the government has announced a mere 200 farms that will be seized. That is just the starting point. And Australia has declared emergency immigration measures to save the White farmers calling it a genocide….which has really pissed off the South Africa government. But, it’s an expensive slow process, which is why Russia has stepped in to open their doors to the white farmers with free land. Anyway, I be done here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk

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Walt

24 August 2018

Where have we heard these words before? ” ‘willing-seller, willing-buyer’ model”,,”redistribution”.
And for “Crickets” Emery,,,,,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6094565/White-farmer-set-game-reserve-seized-South-Africa-calls-theft.html
“Mr Ramaphosa now has announced plans to change the constitution to allow the ANC to take lands from white farmers without compensating them. ”
I’m pretty sure Paul is living on land once owned by Indians as well.

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fish

24 August 2018

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 24 August 2018 at 08:49 AM
Frankly Bill every white father who is still there should beat feet and get out if they are able. Their position is completely untenable! Frankly I’m interested to see how long it takes southern Africa to begin starving once the majority of the skilled farming families bail out! This is what happened when Zimbabwe expropriated the land there.

Impact on production
Many Zimbabweans now rely on humanitarian aid, such as this maize donated by Australia under the aegis of the United Nations World Food Program.
Before 2000, land-owning farmers had large tracts of land and used economies of scale to raise capital, borrow money when necessary, and purchase modern mechanised farm equipment to increase productivity on their land. Because the primary beneficiaries of the land reform were members of the Government and their families, despite the fact that most had no experience in running a farm, the drop in total farm output has been tremendous and has even produced starvation and famine, according to aid agencies.[54] Export crops have suffered tremendously in this period. Whereas Zimbabwe was the world’s sixth-largest producer of tobacco in 2001,[55] in 2005 it produced less than a third the amount produced in 2000.[56] Zimbabwe was once so rich in agricultural produce that it was dubbed the “bread basket” of Southern Africa, while it is now struggling to feed its own population.[57] About 45 per cent of the population is now considered malnourished. Crops for export such as tobacco, coffee and tea have suffered the most under the land reform. Annual production of maize, the main everyday food for Zimbabweans, was reduced by 31% during 2002 to 2012, while annual small grains production was up 163% during the same period.[35] With over a million hectares converted from primarily export crops to primarily maize, production of maize finally reached pre-2001 volume in 2017 under Mnangagwa’s “command agriculture” programme.[58]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe#Impact_on_production
When things go as they predictably will I think the other superpower should step in with food aid instead of Europe and the US this time. We can watch the how the Han empire treats its subjects!

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fish

24 August 2018

Frankly Bill every white father who is still there….
White farmer….
Autocorrect blows!

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’’’M’’’

24 August 2018

,,,re South African whitey,,,payback is a bitch!!!

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fish

24 August 2018

Posted by: ’’’M’’’ | 24 August 2018 at 09:17 AM
Indeed it is….

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Paul Emery

24 August 2018

Our liar in chief claims there are “large scale killings” of whites on South African farms. More lies from our Liar in Chief as easily documented below.
The number of killings of farmers, including farm workers, is at a 20-year low, 47 in the fiscal year 2017-18, according to research published in July by AgriSA, a farmers’ organization in South Africa. That is down from 66 during the fiscal year before. The figures were consistent with a steady decline of violence since a peak in 1998, when 153 were killed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/world/africa/trump-south-africa-white-farmers.html

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fish

24 August 2018

Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 August 2018 at 09:28 AM
…..still president C-Nile.

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Bill Tozer

24 August 2018

Ok, let’s SLOW it down. I am not saying it’s full on white genocide…yet. CNN and MSM deny it out of hand….with the usual calling it a hoax appealing to White Supremists. Dog whistle stuff. The SA government says these are not racially or politically motivated attacks. The MSM is guilty of non reporting, which leads to conspiracy theories.
On the other side, the label “White Genocide!” Is being thrown and objective reporting is hard to find…leading again to conspiracy theories of censorship. Yes, there is an activist group representing farmers who has been very vocal.
Remember folks, the NYT was guilty of non reporting of the Holocast during WW2 and has since publically apologized for their deliberate conscious non-reporting of the issue.
Report it, let the readers decide. Right now, we are hearing nothing/ little from the MSM and only antidotal gruesome stories from victims via those who want their side to get out.
All Trump’s tweet said was for State to check it out. Credit Trump for that.
In the middle of the competing narratives, South Africa has the highest crime rate in Africa, which is to be expected when any country moves towards Socialism/Communism. Now that the self avowed Marxists have taken over, the breakdowns in society are escalating. Something has been happening in SA since 2013 that leads me to believe there are shades of Germany and Poland in the 1930’s. There is something going on in South Africa that foretells ominous clouds are gathering. When the problems of a country are blamed on a minority or “those people”, genocide can happen.
And yes, SA has a big crime problem across the board and impoverishished slums abutting wealth. And if you go by stats only (government stats) there was more murders in 2001. But, the rhetoric has changed. The policies have changed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq0GReiZyKc

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George Rebane

24 August 2018

PaulE 928am – have you ever considered that the proto-communist ANC and our nation’s left wing trumpet NYT have a different narrative they want to promote while South Africa proceeds with its constitutional changes that will legalize land expropriations that have been going on for years. South Africa doesn’t even collect farm murder stats in a manner that reveals how many white farmers are killed every year. The post-colonial mismanagement catastrophes in Africa are legion and a matter of record. South Africa is clearly heading for a redux of Zimbabwe. And as with Zimbabwe, our Left will either ignore or deny another application of socialism cum communism.
Here’s a report from one of many sources that present a more factually complete and verifiable report of what’s really going on.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/23/south-africa-trump-tweets/

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Paul Emery

24 August 2018

George
A more basic question from a Libertarian viewpoint is why are we getting involved anyway> Trump was applauding Philippines for his “war on Drugs” that took thousands of lives of even casual accused “drug” users without a peep of Genocide from Trump.
“President Rodrigo Duterte has plunged the Philippines into its worst human rights crisis since the dictatorship of Ferdinand Marcos in the 1970s and 1980s. His “war on drugs,” launched after he took office in June 2016, has claimed an estimated 12,000 lives of primarily poor urban dwellers, including children.”
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/philippines

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Paul Emery

24 August 2018

Trump quote Duterte. Implies that Trump would use this approach in this country if he could.
“I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” Trump said, in a transcript of the call, according to the Times report. “Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that.”

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