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The Mysteriously Magically Morphed Russian Indictments

16 July 2018

George Rebane

Remember last winter when Mueller announced the indictment of 13 (that’s thirteen, like in one, three) Russians in his collusion investigation (more here). Remember that we discussed these indictments in the 14feb18 Sandbox (here), and concluded that there would be a snowball’s chance in hell of getting Russia to hand them over for trial. And then remember that one of the indicted Russians decided to plead not guilty and go to trial in the US, a trial that was supposed have started a week ago (9 July 2018). And then remember that this was a big surprise to Mueller who would have had to turn over all his evidence to the Russian defense team that he used to obtain the indictment – which evidence he either didn’t have or would have been sticky to share with the Russians.

Well, now we have forgotten all that with Mueller’s new and improved indictment of 12 Russians (that’s twelve, like in one, two) in his new and improved collusion investigation. No one seems to remember that these new indictments mysteriously fall one short, and their issuance completely ignores the forgotten 13 indictments and the recalcitrant defendant who pled not guilty and wanted to be tried. That the lamestream has picked up none of this is not a surprise to most of us here on RR, but the American Thinker did indeed notice and has published ‘The Forgotten II: The Strange Case of the Missing Russians’. (H/T also to RR reader)

There must be some reasonable explanation for all this, which from my perch appears as utter bullshit – including the timing of the announcement of the latest indictments. Perhaps our vociferous and all-knowing progressive readers can set the matter straight for us so that we can all go forward giving Mueller full faith and credit for doing something beside what President Trump has labeled a ‘witch hunt’.

Posted in Critical Thinking & Numeracy, Current Affairs, Our Country

210 responses to “The Mysteriously Magically Morphed Russian Indictments”

Todd Juvinall

17 July 2018

Walt knows how to expose the charlatans. Go Walt!

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fish

17 July 2018

Posted by: Paul Emery | 17 July 2018 at 08:08 AM
Huh???Document please or you’re a liar.
Are you trying to say that you’re fast and loose with the truth Punch?

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fish

17 July 2018

For a little perspective………
GLENN GREENWALD: I think this kind of rhetoric is so unbelievably unhinged, the idea that the phishing links sent to John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee are the greatest threat to American democracy in decades. People are now talking about it as though it’s on par with 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, that the lights are blinking red, in terms of the threat level. This is lunacy, this kind of talk. I spent years reading through the most top-secret documents of the NSA, and I can tell you that not only do they send phishing links to Russian agencies of every type continuously on a daily basis, but do far more aggressive interference in the cybersecurity of every single country than Russia is accused of having done during the 2016 election. To characterize this as some kind of grave existential threat to American democracy is exactly the kind of rhetoric that we heard throughout the Bush-Cheney administration about what al-Qaeda was like.“
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-17/mish-mass-hysteria

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Walt

17 July 2018

Nice try Paul, My memory is far superior to yours.
So you DENYING (all of a sudden) that our fight for freedom from king George was unjust? You DENY making that statement? Be careful of your answer. I know where your skeletons are buried.
Just think back to all your “unjust war” crap. (yaa,, your BDS may kick in again) Nope,, NO war was “just” in your aged melon.
You have even stated your love for dictatorships, and monarchy.
Should we still be under the rule of the Queen today?
That’s a YES or NO Paul.

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Walt

17 July 2018

One more thing Paul. YOUR the liar. You stated (and I quote) ” Walt hates Greeks”. Prove it old man!! DARE YA’!!!
My actual statement was ” I never met a Greek that told the truth”
That still rings true today.
Have a nice day.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

Even the Revolutionary war was “unjust” in your opinion.
Never said that Walt
Document or you’re a liar

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Todd Juvinall

17 July 2018

Looks like Walt has PE on the run. Go Walt!

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Bill Tozer

17 July 2018

@ 6:40 am
Walt, I give Punchy no nevermind. Punchy is incapable of providing or taking anything in context. He definitely is not alone.
You do have to wonder when one runs around pointing his finger yelling “Liar!” at every tumbleweed blowing in the wind, if the shrunk does indeed smell his own first. Like Brennan screaming traitor yesterday. Got to wonder exactly what the former CIA Chief DID to prevent Russian “hacking” when he was at the helm. We know he sold us down the river in the Middle East and other places. Traitor!!
Context, albeit time consuming, must be included when putting forth anything on these pages and MSM. To pick out a line or one sentence without providing context is the way of the world nowadays….and results in fakenews, lol.
Yes, it was shocking that a elected Congressman would call for a military coup to overthrow our government. May be unparalleled in our nation’s history going back to George Washington’s first term.
In the old days, he would have been hanged. I would have put a bullet in the back of his head, no problem. But, we have to take it all in context. The wack job Congressman, like most Democrats, are not known for high IQs and his emotions got the better of him. Couple his unchecked unhinged emotions with the notorious lack of average intelligence of Democrat members of Congress and we have such statements uttered. Context.
There is a reason that our government and our Commander in Chief is placed under civilian command. It’s to keep our government to becoming a military dictatorship. Try as the Progressives may to turn our representative republic into a banana republic issuing edicts from on high, we hold fast to our Constitution in the face of calls to overthrow our government, bloodless coup notwithstanding.
As far as our incredible shrinking indictments, Meuller charging foreign government personnel for criminal activity in a US Court of law is all smoke and mirrors. First, if there is any shed of evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, that information could only be uncovered by our counter-intelligence agencies hacking into Russia’s computers. Thus, it ain’t going anywhere. Imagine in a US court of law the indicted defendants putting US CIA agent’s under oath to question them on how they obtained such information, revealing the exact means, methods, and agents/moles used. It was all for show. It’s all for political theater……which looks more and more like Kabuki theater with each passing day.

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Bill Tozer

17 July 2018

Fish @ 8:30 am
Agree100%. I just got through listening to Glenn Greewald live on the radio. His points are something I was going to post last night from different sources and my own opinion.
1) Phishing the John Podesta/Clinton Campaign computers is on the same level as a prank. Any high schooler could have figured that one out…for fun or out of boredom. My password is PASSWORD, ROFLMAO. Seriously, his password was PASSWORD. What a knucklehead. Hardly equivalent to 9/11 where thousands perished in the collapsing Twin Towers inferno. Hardly equivalent to Pearl Harbor. It was an attack all right, an attack on a private citizen and a private organization, the DNC.
2). Let’s review what we have so far. The above referenced phishing. We have some FB posts, tweets, and social media stuff. Maybe I posted a meme or two that can be traced back to some Rooskie operation. We have RT, Pravda, and Democracy Now!. Ok, maybe not DN!? And we have some ad buys. That’s the whole ball of wax.
Out of 2.5 billion spent on the 2016 election, the Rooskies spent 100k. So, once again, we have a phishing scam, tweets, social media posts and comments, and some ad buys. BTW, most of those ad buys were never viewed, lol.
This is hardly an attack on democracy. If it was an attack on democracy (or at least our Democratic Republic), then why hasn’t Meuller investigated the attempted hacks into the Republican RNC computers??? Yes, someone broke into the RNC computers, but only got some scheduling and payments to some vendors infor, mundane stuff. But, if the quest is to seek the truth, the RNC servers should have right up there on the top of the list. But, nooooo.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

I’m really worried Todd about Lying Walt. He has nothing to say so he makes things up.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

George and his babblers stand alone in supporting Trump. Even the conservative Wall Street Journal blasts him
“Monday’s joint press conference was a personal and national embarrassment,” the Journal editorial board wrote. “On stage with the dictator whose election meddling has done so much harm to his Presidency, Mr. Trump couldn’t even bring himself to say he believed his own intelligence advisers like Dan Coats over the Russian strongman.”

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fish

17 July 2018

Posted by: Paul Emery | 17 July 2018 at 10:12 AM
Since when did the Green Libertarian start caring what the Wall Street Journal says?

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

I follow around 30 news services Fish. Do you?

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George Rebane

17 July 2018

PaulE 1012am – “George and his babblers …” – 1) if they exist, aren’t you one of them? 2) A more careful reading of these comment streams reveals a wide range of assessments about each of Trump’s doings.
To me it appears that you and yours are taking the simplistic TDS approach, and are not capable of a more nuanced look at Trump’s efforts and achievements. I refer to my own posts and that of comments from e.g. Messrs scenes (1009pm), Tozer (855am), et al. I admit that some of our commenters overdo their propensity for snark. However, please point us to another blog hereabouts that contains discussion streams such a found in these pages.

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Bill Tozer

17 July 2018

Finally, the dirty little secret no one is talking about.
When all is said and done, when Meuller winds it down or bails, when our Congressional Oversight Committees and IGs get to the source and inception of the Russian Collusion stories, when all that plays out…..nothing will be done to keep it from happening again in future elections. We cannot stop any nation from meddling in our elections. What are we going to do? Jail Soros or Move On.org, or some Chinese officials or have a government takeover of all social media platforms and control the internet?
How are we ever going to stop Twitter or FB posts or comments? I am talking strictly non-government servers. How are we going to prevent phishing attempts going on 24/7 from thousands of origins throughout the globe? Any security the reader has on their personal devices has access to maps showing the latest cyberattacks throughout the world. Constantly updated, constantly thwarted, defenses constantly upgraded, and a few slip in. Sometimes more than a few. Like busting a drug dealer and getting them off the streets, another one pops up to take his/her place.
We have as much chance as preventing another re-enactment of the 20016 as we do stopping fake news or bias news or someone finding a way to voice their opinions. Good luck with that, short of ripping up the 1st Amendment.

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George Rebane

17 July 2018

BillT 1029am – No one is talking about it because 1) for the Left, it doesn’t fit their narrative, therefore it is ignored, and 2) for the rest of us it has already been covered (extensively in these pages) and its repetition is now a tautology. Nevertheless, from time to time even tautologies should be revisited, because for the lightly read they may turn on a new light. Mr Tozer, we thank you for your public service 😉

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

George
I don,t follow blogs in general so I can’t compare. The bottom line is Trump is publicly siding with Putin despite the findings of his own DOJ and Intellegance services. That is astounding and virtually without precedence.

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George Rebane

17 July 2018

PaulE 1040am – What words did Trump say that convinces you of that?

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Todd Juvinall

17 July 2018

Paul Emery is a fine example of why Americans don’t trust the media and what they write and say. They twist and parse and make stuff up. Then they have the audacity to whine about their foibles being caught and exposed. Walt has ten times the creds here than Emery. In Every post Emery tries to nudge the reader to his lies and thank goodness it has not worked. Americans are having none of this kerfuffle the media and never Trumpers have created.
Can you imagine if Trump had got into Putins face and thumped his chest and said you meddled and got into our elections? The media would twist that into a headline like “Trump admits Russia Helped him win” just like Emery does here. Instead, Trump outsmarted them all by asking to see the friggin server. Oh my, and the 400 million Paul Emery and Hillary are hiding. So Trump has outsmarted these lovelies again and it will be that way for anothe 6.5 years thank goodness.

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fish

17 July 2018

Posted by: Paul Emery | 17 July 2018 at 10:28 AM
Again answering the question that wasn’t asked!
Since you are such an ardent follower of the news and the WSJ in particular I can only assume that you were in agreement with their conclusion regarding the necessity for going to war in Iraq

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

todd
Lying Walt made a declaration that I opposed the War of Independance. I asked him to document that accusation and he has disappeared with no comment. I that what you call credibility?

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“M”

17 July 2018

,,,Todd,,, ”’Trump outsmarted them all by asking to see the friggin server. ”’
No, he did the dance you all do over here when faced with uncomfortable truths, he bailed for the Hillary card.
Server, server, the servers!!! What about these radioactive servers??? What is the accusation? Oh, right, she shouldn’t have been using a personal server. Ohhh, that is sooo serious!!!
What do you think is on the server, the identity of the person on the grassy knoll???
Total smokescreen by ChickenHawk in Chief probably because he didn’t Putin to get mad at him and deny him his Moscow hotel.
Don’t forget,,,it is all about trumpski, at least in trumpski’s mind.
I guess trumpski is remembering the Iraq yellow cake fake and doesn’t trust the government,,,but he is the head of the government…and he threw us under the bus!!!

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

Sp
Is that what you call credibility ?

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George Rebane

17 July 2018

Does no one on the Left remember what Hillary’s ‘missing server’ was used for and, more importantly, the missing 30,000+ emails? Being able to examine the server and the emails continues to be a very material part of the ongoing investigations. Apparently none of that has entered the purview of readers like ‘M’ (1145am), who to this day remains astonished about the real import of this issue, thereby confirming again that his news sources highly censor materials that don’t fit the Left’s narrative.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

George trumps pathetic attempt to change the record today is evidence enough

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Todd Juvinall

17 July 2018

“M” and Paul Emery sure are a great example of the loony left. Paul Emery lies just about everything and then gets mad at Walt for telling the truth about him. “M” is just a troll.
Today I listened and watched Trump make ONE change to his statements in Finland. He changed ONE word. From would to wouldn’t. OMG! That tells me Trump is uncomncerned with all the boo-birds and trolls like Emery and even Ryan. You just have to love that Trump!

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Todd Juvinall

17 July 2018

Regarding the “server” used and then hacked the DNC owned. I am sure it has been recycled and just like all those phones with their chips removed then smashed, never to be seen. And all those 30,000 emails. My guess is they are all full of democrat collusion with the Rooskies and that is why we will never see them. I say Hillary and the DNC were the colluders and now we see they got $400 million bucks from the Rooskies.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

So Todd do you now agree with Trump when he claims he meant the Russians did interfere with our elections?

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George Rebane

17 July 2018

PaulE 1223pm – I take that to mean that you could not find the quote to back up your 1040am assertion.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

There are so many quotes and implications that I cannot list them all. Mainly Trummp never once condemned or even questioned Putin on the indictments or in any way tried to hole the Russians responsible. He had many opportunities to do so, These are legitimate Grand Jury indictments of members of the Russian government that are under the supervision and control of Putin. Todfay he said this “I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,” He said nothng like that yesterday. If he did please correct me. Yesterday he said this “President Putin just said it’s not Russia,” Trump said. “I don’t see any reason why it would be.” Today he claimed he mispoke and meant “I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be.”
Really George, do you believe that? Would you give Obama and Hillary the same benefit of the doubt?
What happened this morning and what will likely come out is that the Intelligence community demanded a meeting with Trump and possibly threatened to go public in their opposiion to his statement.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

Today
BREAKING: NBC News has learned that an unscheduled principals meeting of Trump’s top national security advisers was convened this morning at the White House concerning Russia and the fall out from Helsinki. The meeting concluded before Trump spoke on camera today.

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Todd Juvinall

17 July 2018

I saw and heard Trump today. One word was changed. He stands behind all the rest. If they don’t like it they can all resign. But I have not seen one yet.

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Don Bessee

17 July 2018

Dr. R says – PaulE 1223pm – I take that to mean that you could not find the quote to back up your 1040am assertion.
The po’ ol’ fakenwsman says –
There are so many quotes and implications that I cannot list them all.
Translation – Dr. R. caught the po’ ol’ fakenewman in yet another breathless utterance that can not be substantiated by the po’ ol’ putin party parrot. SQUWAK!
😉

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

One of many quotes Don
“President Putin just said it’s not Russia,” Trump said. “I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

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Gregory

17 July 2018

““President Putin just said it’s not Russia,” Trump said. “I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be.”
Is the corrected version, Paulo. FYI.

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Bill Tozer

17 July 2018

I just reviewed the transcripts. Basically it’s the same. He says Coats said it could have been the Russians, “thinks” it could have been the Russians. That assement from his intel guy has not changed. I assume that was about hacking.
Trumps revised statements accepts that Russians meddled in the election. Interference is a term used by the journalists, not Trump. Meddling. Thinks.
Everyone takes it as gospel truth that the Russians hacked the Wikileaks e-mails. Still, no definitive proof has been offered. Assements are best educated guesses with the information they have. “ Mr. President, we think it was the Russians.” Mr. President, we think other forgein actors were in Hillary’s private server (not the focus of Meuller).
I do find relief in that this issue (election meddling) is parsed out and the hacking of government computers has remained where it should….in secret. Like the million (2?) government personnel files, and the latest one that hit the USMC. Those hacking attempts and successes should be kept secret and out of the limelight.
Well, the more I go down this road, the further I get from the topic of this post, i.e., the latest nothingburger indictments.
One digression:
My blood is boiling after reading documents of Inwan’s prior extensive criminal background, his zero training in cypersecurity, the House IG’s dire warning issued to 1 in 5 Democrats in the House, and the server goes missing within 2 days after the Red Alert warning went out, just about the very time (within a week) the DNC is claiming the Russians or somebody hacked their servers! Guess we can only have one narrative at a time. We must blame the Russians and do not look anywhere else. Must not go there.
I, for one, do not trust some of our government agencies as far as I could spit them. We got Clapper lying to Congress, but he is CNN’s hero. That’s the facts, Jack. The top officials we put our trust are like looking into the face of Lying Peter and asking them why they did not recuse themselves. Answer: why would we do that? We are above reproach and watch us wrap outselves in the American flag. How dare you challenge our integrity. Same with Rosenstein.
Coats said we think it was the Russians, Mr. President. That I believe. I also believe that the 30 news sources Punchy reads all said Trump’s Inaugural address was a “dark speech.”

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Don Bessee

17 July 2018

Then you have this relevant wrinkle –
Rep. Devin Nunes (R., Calif.), in a wide-ranging audio interview with his House colleague Rep. Sean Duffy (R., Wis.), accused top officials at the FBI and DOJ of “putting all their chips on the Republicans losing the House” so that their Democratic allies can “shut down” the longstanding Intelligence Committee probe, which has unearthed information disputing claims of collusion in recent months.
Nunes also lashed out at the U.S. media, accusing “90 percent” of reporters covering the Russia probe of being “essentially an arm of the Democratic party,”
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/intel-chair-fbi-doj-obstructing-trump-probe-hope-dem-takeover-congress/
😉

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

So Gregory you now admit that the Russians hacked into our election. that took a long time. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

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scenes

17 July 2018

“So Gregory you now admit that the Russians hacked into our election.”
Geez, what does that even mean? That they remotely messed with the voting machines?

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Gregory

17 July 2018

Punchy, stop making up stuff.
“Hacked into our election” is a meaningless phrase, Paulo, and has nothing to do with the corrected text from the presser yesterday. Thanks for ignoring reality once again.
Not a single vote was changed. It was completely ineffective by that measure. And if you look hard, there has been a Boris and Natasha nosing around our elections since the 1930’s when the USSR started spying in the USA.
What was the Obama line in a debate with Romney that scored on the laff-o-meter… “The 1980’s called and they want their foreign policy back”… but by then, “Vlad” had gotten the message that Obama would be more free to deal after Nov 2012.

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Bill Tozer

17 July 2018

In a way, we have come full circle, but with the chairs being rearranged. First, we spent hours here trying to separate hacking from colludin’. Actually, we went from the Russians stole the election for Trump to the Russians meddling in an election with the collusion narrative yet to be played out as no proof has been offered. Each issue stands on its own merits, the hacking and the colluding. No one has ever proved the Russians hacked the DNC computers, just best educated guesses and probabilities, but I digress.
Now reading through a few newsfeeds, we (Trump and by extension his supporters) are being accused of muddling the waters by combining “Russian interference” with “Russia Collusion with Trump”. It’s two separate issues, nothing to do with Hillary’s missing e-mails! Why the Dems refused FBI access to the DNC servers is not the issue here, ROFLMAO.
Just can’t win. Seems like today they are focused only on the meddling, and have dropped the Collusion story as there is no ‘there’ there….yet. That is progress. Always a silver lining.
Ok, the Russians meddled in our election. And there are over 100,000 Facebook posts and comments that have yet to be translated from Russian to English as proof. And somebody opened up multiple bank accounts (more than one) and used PayPal. More indictments. What else? Got some KBG agents in the Kremlin stirring the pot to sow discord. Heck, all it takes is a spark in this current climate to start a 5 alarm fire. Like throwing a match on gasoline. The gasoline was already doused on the walls by the Leftinistas and their Industrial Clinton Media Complex before the Russians arrived on the scene.
Meddling? Yep. At least the Lefties are content with meddling, as it if proves them correct and all knowing. “Mr. President, we think it may have been the Russians.”
But, but, but, I detect a dilemma. What will they do with this treasonous, treasonous I say, Collusion with Russia to rip the election out of the arms of Hillary? Hmmm. I got it. Call Trump’s remarks yesterday treasonous and problem solved! Nature abhors a vacumn.

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Gregory

17 July 2018

Toes, don’t forget, the Russkies also tried to hack into GOP campaign computers but they didn’t get in. The GOP apparently also cooperated with the FBI and heeded their warnings.
I suspect the Libertarian and Peace & Freedom and Green Parties didn’t get the same attention. Hell, with the last two, Boris and Natasha might have had their own accounts.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

Gregory
How can you say no votes were affected. Streaking emails from the DNC and making them public likely shifted votes. How can you say for sure no votes were changed.
Are you saying that it was not a crime because it can’t be proven votes were changed?

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Bill Tozer

17 July 2018

“There are so many quotes and implications that I cannot list them all. Mainly Trummp never once condemned or even questioned Putin on the indictments or in any way tried to hole the Russians responsible.”—-Pablo the Punch Drunk Popinjay
Wow. Pablo knows exactly what Trump said to Putin in their private 130 minute one on one meeting. Boy, we have our own fly on the Wall. Unless, Punchy had the room bugged. Details, I want more details of the private meeting. Went on much longer than Bubba and Loretta Lynch’s private tarmac meeting right before the charges against his wife Hillary were dropped. Details, Pablo, details! Tell us what was said.
Is it true that Trump tried to hole the Russians or was that he did not tried to hole the Russians responsible. Was that corn hole or missionary style?

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

Scenes, did you read the indictments from the Grand Jury?

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Gregory

17 July 2018

Punchy, did you read the indictments from the Grand Jury?
When will the trial be?
Oh, darn, that’s right… they are being moved from the civilian track that leads to public trials to the spook track where it’s all handled quiet-like without public disclosure.

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

So the bottom line Gregory is that you don’t believe the indictments by the Grand Jury are legitimate.

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Gregory

17 July 2018

More wild inventions (inwentions as Crewman Chekov used to say on Star Trek) from Punchy.
What is an “illegitimate” Grand Jury indictment, Paulo. Can you point one out to me?
Even an indicted ham sandwich is innocent until proven guilty. Yes? No?

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Paul Emery

17 July 2018

YOu are the one questioning the indictments Gregory. You and the Russians. It’s logical to conclude then that you consider them illegitimate (your wording).

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Gregory

17 July 2018

Paul, please, a quote from where I “questioned” the indictments?
An indictment is a bringing of charges. I questioned when the trial will be… because until there is a trial, with expert testimony from both sides, there is no finding of fact.
A Grand Jury only gets one side and there is no rebuttal from the defense side. Which is why the belief in good district attorneys being able to indict a ham sandwich.
So, let’s see a trial but… there won’t be a trial. Even in the earlier case where one of the indicted responded wanting a speedy trial. Oooops.

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