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Sandbox – 5jul18

05 July 2018

["Immigrants separated from their children after being arrested for illegally entering the U.S. at the Mexican border are being asked to choose between being deported alone or with their children." Why in the world would we not deport the children with the adults who brought them in? Is it because the kiddie importers may not be the kids' parents after all? Then where is today's insane hew and cry about separating kids from arrested parents – a long practiced process for both American and illegals taken into custody? Or are we now done with this topic? gjr]

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328 responses to “Sandbox – 5jul18”

Todd Juvinall

05 July 2018

Paul Emery still won’t list the items he says the Rooskies did to our election. And by asking the question he says I am supporting the Rooskies. That is the illogic of a liberal brain. Too mych ganja over the years leaves the without a noggin that works.
So again, please list with bullet points those things you say the Rooskies did to the election in 2016.

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

Stupid Self…
https://www.facebook.com/watchchadprather/videos/1966668710034709/UzpfSTEwMDAwMDg0NjQyOTM4NDoxODU0ODkyMDE3ODgyMzI4/

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Robert Cross

05 July 2018

Here are some of the 5.3M hits using the phrase “how did russian hacking affect the election’ or other variants such as “how did russian hackers affect the election” “how did russian hacking influence the election”. etc. Information is out there for those who care to seek the truth.
https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking
This from Nate Silver: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-interference-affect-the-2016-election/
“But if it’s hard to prove anything about Russian interference, it’s equally hard to disprove anything: The interference campaign could easily have had chronic, insidious effects that could be mistaken for background noise but which in the aggregate were enough to swing the election by 0.8 percentage points toward Trump — not a high hurdle to clear because 0.8 points isn’t much at all.”

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Gregory

05 July 2018

Oh, Bobby 1133am, the 0.8% mentioned by Silver seems to be an “assessment” of possibilities, as it isn’t mentioned before that sentence.
Here’s the quote with the preceding paragraph included:

Overall, then, my view on the effects of Russian interference is fairly agnostic. I tend to focus more on factors — such as Clinton’s email scandal or the Comey letter (and the media’s handling of those stories) — that had easier-to-prove effects. The hacked emails from the Clinton campaign and the DNC (which may or may not have had anything to do with the Russians) potentially also were more influential than the Russian efforts detailed in Friday’s indictments. Clinton’s Electoral College strategy didn’t have as much of an effect as some people assume — but it was pretty stupid all the same and is certainly worth mentioning.
But if it’s hard to prove anything about Russian interference, it’s equally hard to disprove anything: The interference campaign could easily have had chronic, insidious effects that could be mistaken for background noise but which in the aggregate were enough to swing the election by 0.8 percentage points toward Trump — not a high hurdle to clear because 0.8 points isn’t much at all.

In other words, Bobby… IF the rooskies had a less than 1% effect on the vote, randomly distributed and indistinguishable from noise, it wouldn’t have been detectable.
He didn’t say the rooskies HAD a 0.8% effect on the vote, that was the Mind of Bobby filling in the gaps with the desired meaning.

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Todd Juvinall

05 July 2018

BoobieC just peddling fake news again. Always good to go to the source when dealing with lying liberals. Hey Paul Emery, where is that list?

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“M”

05 July 2018

,,,the Brits are free speech lovers as well,,,baby trumpski balloon given flying permit!!!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-baby-balloon-gets-ok-165037537.html

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George Rebane

05 July 2018

PaulE 1121am comment on 29jun18 Sandbox – “George if you support the findings of the Senate intelligence committee its reasonable to say Russian interference may have affected the election. Of course if you don’t support the findings that is irrelevant.”
Well, well, well, we may be making progress here with your “may have affected” inclusion. Nevertheless, it is no more reasonable to claim the “Russian interference” effect than, say, that the weather affected the election, or even that of Mexico’s most blatant and voluble interference. Many things may have and most certainly did affect our 2016 election, but there is still no evidence that “Russian interference” had any attributable, let alone measurable, affect on the election. And Senate Intelligence Committee has said nothing otherwise to support your months’ long claims that now have morphed from an evidence-free certainty to a more moderated possibility.

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“M”

05 July 2018

,,,oh yeah,,,trumpski has his Depends on too,,,right on bro!!!
https://twitter.com/TrumpBabyUK/status/1011900966671736832/photo/1

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Gregory

05 July 2018

“M” 1224pm, Brits don’t have free speech rights… had the balloon been of a Royal, it would be an offense.
In other words, just as we have the right to say “F*** Trump!” in public, on live nationwide TV, they have a right to say “F*** Trump”… but if you say “F*** the Queen!” you will be in trouble.

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Paul Emery

05 July 2018

So George you seem to have no problem with the Russians interference. Hmmm from a cold warrior like you that’s odd.

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scenes

05 July 2018

RobertCross sez:
“Here are some of the 5.3M hits using the phrase “how did russian hacking affect the election’ or other variants such as “how did russian hackers affect the election” “how did russian hacking influence the election”. etc. Information is out there for those who care to seek the truth.”
You don’t get variants when you search for a phrase. If you meant, google for the words “how did russian hacking affect the election” that would be a different matter.

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Paul Emery

05 July 2018

The Swamp king is gone. What a crook.
“Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt’s controversial tenure ended amid a five-month whirlwind of ethics scandals and at least 18 federal investigations.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scott-pruitt-leaves-epa_us_5ac2fae0e4b09712fec3a09c

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scenes

05 July 2018

Gregory: “He didn’t say the rooskies HAD a 0.8% effect on the vote, that was the Mind of Bobby filling in the gaps with the desired meaning.”
lol. Of course. It really all rotates around ‘WE WUZ CHEATED!!!’.
I’m happy to think about specific items in those lists of evil Russkie doings, but we might as well dump off any bitching about RT or Sputnik from the get-go. You have to wonder how they felt about VOA.

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Paul Emery

05 July 2018

George
Can we agree on this. The Senate report says that it was the intent of the Russians to influence our elections in Trumps favor.

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Gregory

05 July 2018

Punchy 128pm
Senate reports are done on senate stationary. That was an informal progress report on the screed pushed out BEFORE the Trump inauguration, in early Jan 2017.

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fish

05 July 2018

Posted by: “M” | 05 July 2018 at 12:28 PM
,,,oh yeah,,,trumpski has his Depends on too,,,right on bro!!!
Yeah….jeffski led with this item about 10 days ago dugski!
I thought it bold of him since a mere change in hairstyle and the balloon could have easily have been him with no change in dimensions save the height!

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Gregory

05 July 2018

So, Punchy, can we agree on this, that the “report” comes to us without a date, without signature(s), without a record of a committee vote on passing it and without any factual backup to the “assessments” it makes?

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scenes

05 July 2018

Gregory: “but if you say “F*** the Queen!” you will be in trouble.”
Dunno about that, but you definitely can’t make your pug do the Sieg Heil.

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George Rebane

05 July 2018

PaulE 128pm – We sure could agree on that if you could cite the Senate report in which that assertion was made. But even without such citation, I would agree that the Russians did attempt to meddle in our election with a yet TBD objective. There is ample evidence of Team Clinton’s collusion to benefit the Russians, and none for Team Trump. Add to that President Trump’s actions against Russia, and you have to really stretch to make the case as to why the Russians would want Trump vs Clinton, an accomplished pro-Russian from the publicly avowed Obama mold – ‘I’ll have more flexibility after the election’.

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Paul Emery

05 July 2018

Gregory
Here is the report. Dated right at the top. Here’s a direct quote from the report
“The Committee believes the
conclusions of the ICA are sound, and notes that collection and analysis
subsequent to the ICA’s publication continue to reinforce its assessments. The
Committee will remain vigilant in its oversight of the ongoing challenges presented
by foreign nations attempting to secretly influence U.S. affairs.”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18XZ6Em1FGqj1983NvEH8QfRtxdOSKJw0/view
Here’s a direct quote from Senator Burr. Are yo9u saying he made this report up without the support of the committee?
“The Committee has spent the last 16 months reviewing the sources, tradecraft and analytic work underpinning the Intelligence Community Assessment and sees no reason to dispute the conclusions,” Chairman Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican, said in a statement.”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18XZ6Em1FGqj1983NvEH8QfRtxdOSKJw0/view

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Don Bessee

05 July 2018

Now that we know who the finalists for the SCOTUS slot are what are our resident handicappers thoughts on who will get the nod? Odds? 😉

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Gregory

05 July 2018

Punchy, I’m saying the “report” lacks the gravitas of past ‘real’ final reports… such as this one
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_I.pdf
Senate reports are much more formal, are released with identifying numbers.
Don’t be so gullible, Punch.

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Gregory

05 July 2018

Here are some of the bits Punchy has glossed over…
“The Committee is preparing a comprehensive, classified report detailing our
conclusions regarding the ICA on Russian activities. That report, when
complete, will be submitted for a classification review, and the unclassified
version will be released to the public.”
I’ll bet those reports are given treatments more in line with past intelligence reports.
Here’s another:
“While the Committee had to rely on agencies that the sensitive information and accesses had been accurately reported, as part of our inquiry the Committee reviewed analytic procedures, interviewed senior intelligence officers well-versed with the information, and based our findings on the entire body of intelligence reporting included in the ICA.”
In other words, they had to rely on the Brennans of the Obama administration to have been honest and thorough. Don’t be so willing to swallow the load that is given you, Punch.

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

Monty Python returns?
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/matt-philbin/2018/07/05/i-want-be-black-lesbian-python-veteran-slams-bbcs-pc-comedies

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scenes

05 July 2018

I’ve just been enjoying a blast from the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTnpN2H34A
My favorite part are the ‘news’ programs. Mainstream ‘news’ really is a laughable concept.

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Paul Emery

05 July 2018

So Gregory to wrap things up we should not necessarily believe Senator Burr when he states unequivocally that it is the opinion of the Senate Intelligence Committee that “the
conclusions of the ICA are sound, and notes that collection and analysis
subsequent to the ICA’s publication continue to reinforce its assessments.”
Why would he say that if it wasn’t true? thanks for reading the report Gregory. that’s more than Todd will do.

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Gregory

05 July 2018

The devil is in the details, Punch. Why would he (or a minion) write they “had to rely on agencies that the sensitive information and accesses had been accurately reported” when the Congress has oversight authority?
The ICA was a partisan document put together in a bloody hurry once the outgoing Obama administration realized there’d be a new Sheriff in town come January, and this was their last chance to put their story out to muddy the waters, knowing there would be a plethora of useful idiots spreading the bs for them.
Useful idiots like you, Punch.

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Bonnie McGuire

05 July 2018

Anyone who has been voting and paying attention for many years is aware that before every election Russia always endorsed Democrats…until this one. This is the first time violent demonstrators interfered before and after the election. Fake news stories, doctored photographs, staged TV clips, and armies of paid trolls kinda reminded me of Russia’s highly developed information warfare – fought in the “psychosphere” rather than on the battlefield? They would be fought not on the battlefield but in the minds of men. Disinformation and psychological operations are as old as the Trojan horse. Pschycologists from all over the world have gone to Russia to see how they did things. Heard a talk by an Russian attendee at a PTA meeting years ago. I was surprised so many thought the Russian method was okay. They sent children and adults (who criticized gov) to a mental hospital to readjust their thinking.
Brings to mind America’s opioid problem that began when public schools began forcing active children (mostly boys) they labeled as ADHD and being paid around $400 per child. Some lawyers and doctors were outraged over our schools pushing drugs…instead of ordinary discipline that helps children’s brains to develop. Sadly that’s why there are so many unhappy people and suicides in America now.

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Gregory

05 July 2018

I read everything, Punch, and have downloaded it from every link provided… three at current count, none of them official document sites. It is you who seems to have skimmed it rather than read for content analysis.

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

Bonnie,
Yes indeed. The Soviets used to showcase their orphanages. Clean as a whistle, nice new looking toys and stuffed animals on the shelves above the cribs and bunks. You could eat off the floors. Only problem is the toy shelves were placed high above the beds where the orphans could only look at them, never to be touched. Affection and holding was withheld.
Albeit some erroneously hold B.F.Skinner in reverence, I hold him in contempt. A animal that should off been caged for life in isolation with no human contact. He put his own child in the Skinner Box, withoutholding love and touch from the child. That is one f’ed up human being. At least Hilter was kind to animals.
In our own country, the man who the ACLU labeled as the person who implemented the largest mass scale human surveillance in history (outside of East Germany) here in the USA is the same one who coordinated and orchestrated the instant Nazi Camp caged children mass hysteria mantra that erupted with the strike of a match to the pre-placed fuse. That wretched creature from the Swamp is none other than Mike Hayden, former Clinton and Bush intell man.
And yes, Brennan voted for the American Communist Party. Despicable man, yet highly honored byy the Globalistists and open borders crowd. CNN is always hiring those sorts. Sandy Berger stuff classified doc down his pants as he was leaving and Obama Defense Secretary Ashley Carter wore pink ties as he issued his edicts to our military commanders. What a sad, sad, road we were heading down. Thank goodness for the counter-revolution and President Trump.

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Russ

05 July 2018

Russia Russia Russia
Did the Russian’s mess without election using social media, yes they did. Does the US mess with foreign elections using social media, yes we have, and yes we do? Now get over it.
Is there foreign interference in our elections by other than Russian? You bet.
The biggest offender? Mexico. Mexican officials publicly called on Mexicans in the US to oppose Trump; Mexico’s has over fifty–yes, fifty–consulates in the US (here) are hotbeds of political activity and activism according to a longtime diplomat who had dealt with them for years. Millions of illegal and legal aliens mainly from Mexico and Central America vote, yes vote. When Trump tried to investigate the Democrat-controlled States rebelled, why because it would have revealed the truth.
Why are the Democrats in Congress not will investigate all foreign interference in our elections? Oh, the Mexican’s endorsed Hillery. That was good interference, Russia lousy interference. Everyone pushing the Russia, Russia, Russian meme, and not all foreign interference are hypocrites!
Paul, are you against all foreign interference or only Russian interference?

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Paul Emery

05 July 2018

Gregory’s final assessment should warn Republicans that just because a Senate report has a Republican name on it it should not necessarily be believed. According to Gregory, who has never believed the Russians attempted to influence our elections, the stain of the Obama administration is too much to overcome even with a Republican majority in the senate Intelligence Committee and their reports should not be believed. .

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Walt

05 July 2018

So Scott Pruitt threw in the towel.
And what does the local Liberal rag lead in with? ” Scandal-plagued EPA Administrator Pruitt resigns” .. There were no scandals. Just BS from Proggys. One person can only take so much.
Add The Union to fake news outlets list.

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Steve Frisch

05 July 2018

Funny just pulled this one right off Richard Burr’s web site.
https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf

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Don Bessee

05 July 2018

Why does the po’ ol’fakenewsman keep hitting himself in the face with a hammer @ 413? 😉

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Todd Juvinall

05 July 2018

No header from the Committee Frisch. Soryy you can’t peddle Paul Emery’s fake news here.

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George Rebane

05 July 2018

PaulE 123pm – How in hell did you conclude that?

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scenes

05 July 2018

Russ: “Paul, are you against all foreign interference or only Russian interference?”
You’ll never get an answer, he’s busy cross-examining Gregory for one thing.
It’s worth thinking about, to what degree is it moral to interfere with an election and which side should enforce that rule?
It’s interesting to think about the past. Luckily, google news allows searching on pre-2016 years and given the ongoing cold civil war, there’s nothing to be gained by looking after that date.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-aid-idUSBRE88I0EE20120919
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/why-do-some-foreign-countries-hate-american-ngos-so-much/255335/
https://www.haaretz.com/netanyahu-interfered-in-u-s-election-1.5197032
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/bill-clinton-admits-he-tried-to-help-peres-beat-netanyahu-in-1996-elections/
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/USAIDin-Latin-America-More-Than-Just-Aid-20141027-0055.html
https://theweek.com/speedreads/658320/unearthed-2006-audio-clinton-appears-suggest-rigging-palestine-election
etc. etc. more than I can list.
The current concern is laughable, but it’s just an effort to bring down a sitting President so I can respect it for what it is.

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Don Bessee

05 July 2018

On a topic that matters –
https://www.breitbart.com/economics/2018/07/05/fed-minutes-show-why-officials-are-not-panicked-about-trade-wars/
😉

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Steve Frisch

05 July 2018

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 05 July 2018 at 04:43 PM
Seriously Todd, do you think Burr’s Senate web site got hacked….go read it for yourself.

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

Don @ 5:02 pm.
Have you noticed the daily shellacking of the Koch Bros from the Lefties has mysteriously evaporated into the vast silent unknown ever since the evil twins came out for open borders? Sweet. The town criers certainly are a fickle bunch.

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

“PaulE 123pm – How in hell did you conclude that?
Posted by: George Rebane | 05 July 2018 at 04:45 PM”
Oh Dr. Rebane, Punchy is just messing with you. He is pulling Gregory’s leg. Nobody is that stupid to draw that conclusion. He moved the goalposts from influenced to the election to attempted to influence (which found no naysayers) to the current….drumroll please….never believed that the Russians attempted to influence, ROFLMAO.
Your turn in the pentalty box.

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

Quote of the day (Yolo County Fire)
Northern Calif. Wildfire Spreads, Like Madonna in a Photo Shoot..’ One Fire Chief Said ‘.
More quotes, aka, snapshots of the here and now in our history.
“Trump’s approval among Republicans is at a near-record 87%, comparable to the levels of support for George W. Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Think about that: The Left’s attacks on Trump have had the same rallying effect for GOP voters as the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.” —Marc A. Thiessen
Non Compos Mentis: “A reminder this Fourth of July: it was eight immigrants who signed the Declaration of Independence. Happy Independence Day.” —Sen. Kamala Harris (D-2020) (Yes, LEGAL immigrants…)
“To every country on the 4th of July. We’re sorry about our president. He doesn’t reflect all of our views — and we hope you know that the majority of us are ashamed. We will rally each other and come back to the world one step at a time.” —Chelsea Handler
That’s a bleak future: “I have three kids. Two of them are daughters. One just graduated college, one … is in college, and they were both texting me about their excitement over [socialist] Alexandria [Ocasio-Cortez] because she really — she represents the future of our party.” —DNC Chairman Tom Perez
Missing the forest for the trees: “On abortion, as well as same-sex marriage, a conservative court on social issues would lag behind the American people, a majority of whom hold a non-absolutist position on abortion rights, even if many wouldn’t object to some reasonable restrictions, according to the Pew Research Center. … What new justice would want to be that man or woman, who forevermore would be credited with upending settled law and causing massive societal upheaval?” —Kathleen Parker (For Rule of Law judicial stalwarts, this isn’t a popularity contest. Their only prerogative is about defending the Constitution.)
“Give me a break! What is more uncivil and cruel than taking children away? It should be met with resolve and strength. And if some of that comes across as a little uncivil, well, children’s lives are at stake; their futures are at stake.” —Hillary Clinton condoning the Left’s vitriol
“Patriotism in America means loving limited government. It is that simple. You love that America has a constitutionally limited government, or you do not love America.” —Jesse Kelly

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scenes

05 July 2018

Cool. The next election cycle in a nutshell.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1015033658548207616

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M

05 July 2018

,,,Steve, that Juvinal is a freaking idiot!!! But you know that already I am sure. Have you ever read the drivel he posts on his hobby blog???

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M

05 July 2018

,,,too funny about Maxwell Smart Pruitt!!! Another idiot!!!

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Todd Juvinall

05 July 2018

M is off his depends again. San Francisco is waiting for you M. Go getum. And Frisch comments on my blog.

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Todd Juvinall

05 July 2018

Yes Frisch is right it is on Burr’s website. But when you read it the conclusion is he and they agree with the Obama ICA from 2016. And there was not a lick of proof in that assessment. Just a bunch of innuendo and no facts. This is a ropa-dope to satisfy who knows who. Anyway, you got me. It was there but it means absolutely nothing.

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Don Bessee

05 July 2018

Another assault on speech but this time its the lawyer in a speech case –
In early 2018, Kevin Clarkson was asked to represent the Downtown Hope Center, a faith-based non-profit that provides free shelter for homeless women and abused women.
In February the shelter turned away a biological male who identifies as a female. Shelter leadership said the individual was intoxicated.
However, as a religious organization, they do not house biological men in its abused women’s shelter because doing so would traumatize abused and battered women.
The transgender person filed a complaint against the shelter citing the policy over sexual orientation and gender identity.
It was in the context of that incident that Clarkson made comments to local news media regarding the case. And that’s why he’s now facing charges.
“It’s the most outrageous case I’ve ever seen,” First Liberty’s Hiram Sasser told the Todd Starnes Radio Show. “Because he wrote a brief to the commission defending the shelter and portions of that brief were quoted in the media – he is accused of being in violation of their provision that prohibits you from talking about a policy.”
https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/law-firm-faces-charges-for-defending-christian-womens-shelter/
😉

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Bill Tozer

05 July 2018

Do it! I hope they push the abolishment of ICE. Do it, please. I haven’t cheered so much for the wack job wingnut Lefties since they wanted to tear down Hetch Hetch and cut off the water to the Botox Queen’s District. Do it, Democratic Socialists, do it! Please, oh please, push harder. You can do it, the wind is at your back. Go for it.
https://patriotpost.us/articles/56889-abolish-ice-demos-new-rallying-cry
I just can’t wait to ask the libs why they support Black Rhino horns being smuggled into our country. Why do they hate endangered spicies, oh why, why, why?? Do it ! Abolish ICE. Bring in those sex slaves and little brown children to do forced labor for the rich. Abolish ICE!!

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