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Sandbox – 29jun18

29 June 2018

[OK boys and girls, it's time for SCOTUS roulette. Make known your odds that one of your favorite candidates will get the presidential nod. gjr]

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253 responses to “Sandbox – 29jun18”

Todd Juvinall

02 July 2018

PaulE at 353.
What are you yapping about? I never said anything about Moon. And she was a R until April.

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

The Mullahs are not going to get a mulligan on this one!
The disclosures fed into the social unrest over rising prices and water shortages in parts of Tehran and the oil-rich southwest, amid the certainty that life is going to be much tougher now that the U.S. has pulled out of the 2015 nuclear deal. Last week, protests broke out at Tehran’s Grand Bazaar, where gold and jewelry traders shuttered shops and demonstrated against rising prices and the weakening rial. The phrase “transparency in currency allocation” has become a trending social media topic in Persian.
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Iran-s-policy-to-stem-currency-decline-backfires-13043482.php
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”’M”’

02 July 2018

,,,for a good time watch the Terminator try to ‘splain it to trumpski,,,
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=216259379203500&id=150897219073050

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Bill Tozer

02 July 2018

World Cup, how fabulous
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1356479367819430/?type=3&theater

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Walt

02 July 2018

Really Capt. Clueless?,, Arnold? Just another LIB. And No.. He ain’t no Repub. He never was.

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Bill Tozer

02 July 2018

Don, you have the patience of Job. Schooling the “news director” on what are the facts, Jack is a endless job. And schooling our new director what is fiction is like what they say about “women’s work”, i.e., never done. Your time in the penalty box, I reckon.
Sharron Moon? Well, she may not have had the full support of the State Republican Party and the local Republican Party chapter behind her (as you explained why why why), but HH 88 sure as hell had the Democrat Party’s backing, both here and down in Sacramento. Thought that was a non partisan position. Learn something new everyday.
I cut the popinjay some slack. In his,own way, he keeps quoting Ronald Reagan. A lot of people do, from coast to coast, including Jimmy Carter’s pollster. Even Chris Matthews has hinted at the when he asked Debbie Wassername what’s the difference between a Democrat and a socialist during the primaries….twice. Question neatly avoided. Never answered to this day, but I digress.
“I did not leave the Democrat Party. The Democratic Party left me.” Ronald Reagen, former head of an powerful union.

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Bill Tozer

02 July 2018

Daily quotes. Later gators
Delusional: “Our values are about supporting America’s working families, about honoring the vows of our Founders, about honoring the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform, honoring the aspirations of our children. That is why we vote so much alike because we have shared values.” —Nancy Pelosi
Pleasant thoughts: “I remember 2006. What happened is that George W. Bush — he put us in two disastrous wars and we were headed toward the biggest financial disaster since the Great Depression. So if the answer is that we need those three things to happen for a course correction, I’d prefer to move a little quicker. How about that? But I take your point. Maybe we can have, like, a nuclear war and then we get a real course correction.” —billionaire socialist Tom Steyer on getting rid of Donald Trump
Regrets: “I’ll be honest with you, if I have a regret during my presidency, it is that people were so focused on me and the battles we were having, particularly after we lost the House, that folks stopped paying attention up and down the ballot.” —Barack Obama
Warnings: “My colleagues on both sides of the aisle know that this vote [on a Supreme Court nominee] could be one of the key votes of their entire career. If [Democrats] vote for somebody who’s going to change precedent, it could be a career-ending move.” —Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
And last… “An originalist court stands for a simple proposition: The Founders created an ingenious system of government. We should give it another try.” —David French
https://patriotpost.us/cartoons/26315

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fish

02 July 2018

Posted by: ”’M”’ | 02 July 2018 at 04:25 PM
For a good time wipe, powder and put on a fresh one! You’ll be feelin fine in no time dugski!

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Bill Tozer

02 July 2018

I lied. Back briefly.
The NRA is a bad organization.
Meuller is proving to be an old style Soviet prosecutor. Is he investigating the Clinton Foundation taxes? No. Hillary’s taxes? No? The AFL-CIO and others that gave twice as much to get Hillary elected? No? Any one on Meuller’s team that went to the Trump victory party?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax
Meanwhile, Manaford sits in federal prison in isolation, separated from his family, for accusations,of tax fraud?? Sounds about right. BTW, it’s still not illegal to be a Russian. Might be illegal to talk to one down at the gym, if you are on the wrong side of Meuller’s iron curtain.
Ok, later.

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Walt

02 July 2018

Someone has splain’n to do.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/02/awan-memo-server-vanished/
“A secret memo marked “URGENT” detailed how the House Democratic Caucus’s server went “missing” soon after it became evidence in a cybersecurity probe. The secret memo also said more than “40 House offices may have been victims of IT security violations.” ”
Yet getting Trump is top priority.

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

And so it begins –
“Still, the proposed budget reflects a hard new reality for the nation’s largest teachers’ union,” Will writes. “It necessitates cutting $50 million over two years—$28 million in the first year and $22 million in the second year. That reduction is accompanied by a loss of 31,000 agency-fee payers in the first year, and a 14 percent membership decline over two years.”
But are they in denial on the loss rate? 14 v 40
As the Washington Post reported following the 2016 presidential election, some 40 percent of union household members vote Republican, and likely would not approve of their union dues being donated by union leadership to left-wing groups.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/02/teachers-union-slashes-budget-following-supreme-court-decision/
What will it be in Cali where the dems own it all? Could it be higher here since they know the dems will still own it all?
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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

You go girl, all the way to the ash heap of history –
A more political concern, however, is how utterly self-defeating these aggressive protests are. If blue mobs harass Republican politicians, how long until red mobs harass Democratic politicians? And if public officials are fair game, why not average citizens?
When it comes to the midterm elections, angry protests are a political loser for Democrats. The best thing going for Democratic candidates is the enthusiasm of their voters compared with indifferent Republicans. By making GOP voters feel under siege, progressive harassers are damaging their own chances in the fall.
All of this discord plays right into Trump’s hands. He lives for insult-ridden, “us-versus-them” rhetoric. As the old saying goes, “Never wrestle with the pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
Trump won his mud-wrestling matches with Hillary Clinton and 16 GOP also-rans. He’s eager to defend his title in November.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/07/02/maxine-waters-democrats-public-shaming-elections-column/750391002/
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scenes

02 July 2018

The cold Civil War continues, even in Europe….
protesters appear to be in favor of human trafficking:
http://abc7news.com/society/ice-raid-in-west-oakland-related-to-human-trafficking/2315669/
Mexico bends the knee:
https://i.imgur.com/k7Ubjmm.jpg
Green Libertarian wants to chat with Rand Paul
https://imgur.com/1XoXHX4
So much for national sovereignty, stay tuned on this one:
https://i.redd.it/9ggz6rwoql711.png
Mere coincidence:
https://www.davidharrisjr.com/politics/bombshell-ig-report-says-clinton-lynch-meeting-was-prearranged/

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scenes

02 July 2018

Something of an object lesson.
The Green Libertarian mob at work.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/nancy-sinatra-debra-messing-toure-soledad-obrien-david-hogg-among-twitter-lynch-mob-targeting-trump-supporter-roslynlaliberte-over-viral-photo-with-latino-boy/
Check out the posts here:
https://twitter.com/NancySinatra/status/1012513536394686464

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Paul Emery

02 July 2018

You said the Pubbers won all local races Todd except Diaz.
Short memory.

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

Nancy Sinatra is still alive?? 😉

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Todd Juvinall

02 July 2018

Never said that. You have no memory.

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

He just can not suppress the po’ ol’ fakenewman , putin party parrot BS @842
NO dementia man, I said then why did the dems not win any County elections and that Diaz did not really have a contested race. Here try this on for size, how many County races were there and which ones did a dem win? You have failed this over and over. We understand it does not fit your po’ ol’ putin party parrot line.
God knows you can not ever actually answer a direct question so there is no real expectation you will start. Cue the topical diversions and countering inane questions. 😉

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

Once a demented lying putin party parrot always a lying POS –
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/02/rachel-dolezal-also-known-as-nkechi-diallo-booked-and-released-on-welfare-fraud-other-charges.html
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Bill Tozer

02 July 2018

Nancy Sinatra? I remember well the time when mini-skirts were touching bottom.
Don, sing it to Punchy. He might understand the lyrics. Is Nancy still alive? Boy, this immigration stuff is bring out the old acid heads. LSD-25, baby.
.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww#fauxfullscreen

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

Here, lets make more of team lefties heads explode and start an epidemic of virulent TURDS and TDS eruptions. I heard they are out of the salve right now.
This is remarkable given the constant drumbeat of negative coverage, and it demonstrates yet again his uncanny ability to defy the laws of political gravity. When President Reagan and his policies remained popular in the face of never-ending criticism, he became known as the “Teflon president.” Trump is Teflon on steroids.
Much of his strength is tied to the public’s views on the economy. According to the poll, 69 percent say the economy is “strong,” 58 percent approve of his efforts on job creation, and 57 percent approve of his overall handling of the economy. Perhaps most significantly heading into the 2018 midterm elections, a whopping 68 percent say that their personal economic situation is improving or holding steady. Clearly, voters are experiencing tangible economic benefits as a result of the Trump tax cuts and aggressive deregulation, putting the lie to the Democrats’ sky-will-fall warnings. Given that kitchen-table issues largely drive midterm balloting and Democrats lack a compelling economic message to counter the Trump/GOP successes, Republican candidates are likely to enjoy a significant lift.
Even more striking numbers are evident on immigration. Despite the sound and fury stemming from the recent border controversy, fully 61 percent think current border security is “inadequate,” and when asked if the U.S. should have “open borders” or “secure borders,” 76 percent want the secure kind.
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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

Emery?
Emery?
Emery?

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Don Bessee

02 July 2018

Here are a few bedtime snacks to give team lefty heartburn –
An escalation of trade tensions could add to defaults in China’s financial system, which is already in the midst of a deleveraging campaign, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.
If U.S. President Donald Trump imposes sweeping tariffs on Chinese imports later this week, there will be spinoff effects on the country’s financial sector, according to Jing Ulrich, JPMorgan’s vice chairman for Asia Pacific. Consumer demand and the wider economy are likely to weaken and that “may translate into worse credit quality down the road,” Ulrich said in a Friday interview in Hong Kong.
That would add to some Chinese firms’ repayment difficulties at a time when the country is already seeing bond defaults, she said. Bank shares fell sharply on Monday ahead of the July 6 deadline for a decision on whether Trump will slap tariffs on $34 billion of Chinese goods, a move Beijing has vowed to match. China’s smaller banks are most vulnerable to the outbreak of a trade war, Ulrich said.
China’s steps to cut debt are already straining liquidity in its banking system. The nation’s broadest measure of new credit slumped in May to the lowest in almost two years. Net financing by company bond sales turned negative for the first time since last June, with more debt maturing than was issued, central bank data show.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-02/jpmorgan-warns-a-trade-war-may-trigger-china-corporate-defaults?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=bd&utm_campaign=headline&cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

Several years later, the university is still facing a crisis. According to new reports, the University of Missouri is currently facing a $49 million budget shortfall. Additionally, the university has laid off 30 employees and eliminated 155 vacant positions.
Missouri State Senator Tom Hurst directly attributes the university’s budgetary and enrollment issues to the 2015 protests. “Couple of years ago, whenever all the protests were taking place on the campus, many students decided they did not want that atmosphere and attended different universities, Hurst said. “From what I’ve seen we did not lose those students to other states, they just went to other universities within the state.”
“Given that it seems like MU does not need the funding, but some of the other universities in the State could use a little extra help because they did the right thing,” Hurst finished.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/07/02/university-of-missouri-continues-to-face-budget-enrollment-crisis-after-protests/
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Bill Tozer

02 July 2018

You know something, the realization has hit them. The lib mass panic attack hysteria about not having a fellow lib appointed to SCOTUS to do exactly as they demand the new robed one to do is not settling in well. And as a result, they are now going to lose their uninumberated right to abortion. Presence must be followed, we must follow the ruling of previous courts. It must be. Just like Dred Scot. OMG, are we on shaky ground?
IThe abortion scare is like it’s sucking the air out of the room and raining on the Nazis putting brown children in cages marches and demonstrations last Saturday. . Scorching down in the Yuma Sector. Inferno Zone hot. Hot in the cities. Hot everywhere. Bummer.
Is it just me, or did the marches last weekend only get half the coverage they should have. It had a week’s notice just in the Union, imagine the planning in advance in the big cities. But, the news was about Trump is going to have a name on the table July 9th. It’s like the kids can wait, we got a 5 Alarm Fire that makes the Chicago Fire look like a Texas Tex pep rally. The kids ain’t going anywhere, we got a barn burner that’s getting out of control and burning the whole nation down for decades to come.
Battle stations!!
Man, the timing of this SCOTUS end of the world mass manic attack puts the narrative of little kids ripped and torn from loving arms and dropped headfirst down the Black Hole of Calcutta storyline right off the headlines. Relegated down a peg. Kinda feel sorry for the Progressives at times like this. My goodness, Trump has started interviewing folks for the job….did four today. Screw the Capital Gazette. No time for that. Red Alert!

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scenes

02 July 2018

“Nancy Sinatra is still alive?? ;-)”
I expect that at least her publicist is.
It’s interesting to me how celebrity twitter streams, whether the person themselves are washed-up or not, make great rallying points for stirring up a bit of the ol’ mob behavior.
It’ll take a pig’s head on a stick to predict the future of the Twitter users (h/t to William Golding).

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Bill Tozer

03 July 2018

Meh-he-co
“The existential worry of both identity-politics activists and the new Democratic party is an immigration that is diverse, legal, meritocratic, and measured. The second-greatest fear is a return of the melting pot and the end of the salad bowl, given that assimilation, integration, and intermarriage might turn a useful bloc of Hispanics immigrants into something like 20th-century Italian immigrants, who eventually assimilated and whose politics were no longer predictable.
“The more the U.S. is on the apologetic defensive, and the more it has to prove its global humanitarian fides — the more it is likely to suspend its own immigration law and allow in more Mexican citizens without legal authorization. In one of the strangest paradoxes of the present age, Mexico seems to love its people more, the farther they are from Mexico and the longer they stay away. And that convenient love is requited: The longer illegal aliens are in the U.S., the more they can afford to become staunch pro-Mexican adherents — again, as long as they do not have to return to Mexico.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/mexico-what-went-wrong-economy-based-on-exporting-poor-people/amp/

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Bill Tozer

03 July 2018

Mexico, another view.. Is Mexico ungovernable?
Make no mistake, it won’t be Obrador’s populist rhetoric or left-leaning governance that brings on such a crisis, it will be the ongoing collapse of civil society in Mexico and Central America. It won’t matter what Obrador says or does, because he will not be in control.
https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/02/mexicos-new-leftist-president-not-threat-collapse-mexico/
I remember well decades ago when new discoveries of oil was going to save Mexico. The petro dollars were rolling in and the future looked bright. Not to be. Corruption robbed all those oil dollars. Political bosses and union bosses plucked those feathers clean.
I remember well all the bigger picture arguments of 35 years ago that if we could help Mexico build factories, strengthen their economy, and create jobs, then the Mexicans would have no need to come here illegally. Prosperity, jobs, higher wages within Mexico was the cure. Near parity to the US in wages and standard of living was the real answer to illegal immigration, not just a band-aide. That was not to be. Mexico runs a 70 billion trade surplus with the US, second only to China’s trade surplus with the US, ahead of Japan and Germany and…..it was not meant to be.

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Paul Emery

03 July 2018

Trump conspiring to undermine American companies such as Harley Davidson. Unbelievable.
President Donald Trump on Tuesday revealed that he is in the process of helping “other motorcycle companies” take sales from Harley Davidson.
“In a tweet, the president continued his assault on Harley Davidson, which began when the company said it would move some manufacturing overseas in response to Trump’s tariffs.
Trump wrote: “Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move – sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/trump-says-hes-helping-motor-cycles-companies-foreign-nations-destroy-harley-davidson/

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George Rebane

03 July 2018

PaulE 1008am – Methinks you have selectively ignored some memories of previous administrations, all of which have in one way or another favored some companies over others. Using the term ‘undermine’ is a cute but primitive attempt to communicate your lapse.
I personally want H-D to maximally manufacture in the US. However, our labor costs along with Trump’s new tariffs are making that ever more difficult for businesses that have become pawns in the current trade dispute.

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Don Bessee

03 July 2018

Cryin Chuck has another reason to –
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/03/chuck-schumer-fail-62-of-americans-want-new-supreme-court-justice-before-midterms/
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Gregory

03 July 2018

The Dem push to try to shame McConnell and friends from acting on an imminent Trump SCOTUS nominee is borderline silly and completely wrong.
When Scalia died, Obama was in the last year of his second and last term, and presidential primary voting was underway. More importantly, the Senate was controlled (barely) by the GOP.
Biden and Schumer both had, when the shoe was on the other foot, declared a termed out President (GOP in their case) would not get Senate confirmation of a SCOTUS nominee. As was their right.
McConnell took any Obama nominee off the table, but I suspect had hell frozen over, McConnell would have acted to confirm a Scalia clone like Gorsuch had Obama chosen to keep the balance existing the moments before Scalia’s death.
Perhaps if Ruth Ginsberg resigns, Trump could be convinced to nominate Merrick Garland for her seat. I don’t remember hearing GOP voices screaming Garland was unqualified or even horribly leftist, just that the balance of the court would be tilting away from Scalia and that was worth fighting over. They won that argument.
Ginsburg was confirmed by a vote of 96 to 3.
Sotomayor was confirmed by a vote of 68 to 31
Kagan was confirmed by a vote of 63-37.
Dems, it’s time to return to confirming qualified candidates even if they aren’t who you want on the court.
I would personally be overjoyed if another “Jeffersonian textualist”, as Gorsuch was described by a commenter on NPR, would get the nod from Trump and consented to by the Senate.

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M

03 July 2018

,,,Harley sealed their fate with the announcement of an electric motorcycle
,,,old skool bikers would have to add power amps and sound effects to make the bikes sound stupid again!!!
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/31/16955928/harley-davidson-electric-motorcycle-2019

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Bill Tozer

03 July 2018

Man on the beat heads to the beach to ask, “Why do we celebrate the 4th of July?”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMlXavsjbjs

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Paul Emery

03 July 2018

Senate intel committee concludes Putin personally approved meddling to aid Donald Trump
So there is no doubt from Trumps Intel that the Russians aided his campaign
“A new assessment issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday concurred with previous reports that President Vladimir Putin personally approved Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The Committee also stated that Russia’s influence campaign was designed to help Donald Trump win.
“We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S . presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the document reads.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/senate-intel-committee-concludes-putin-personally-approved-meddling-aid-donald-trump/

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Gregory

03 July 2018

Gee, Punchy 127pm… how did they define “meddling”?
““We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S . presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the document reads.”
First they ‘guess’ (the translation of “assess” from spookspeak to normalspeak) there was a Russian goal to “undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency” and only later, they further guess that the russkies developed a preference for Trump.
So, Punchy, just to make things crystal clear, there’s been no intelligence report specifying they’ve DETERMINED there was Russian INTERFERENCE with the Nov ’16 election?

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Paul Emery

03 July 2018

So you don’t trust their assessment Gregory?
This assessment was conducted and released this week.

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Paul Emery

03 July 2018

Here’s more Gregory:
The Senate Intelligence Committee has unequivocally upheld the conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia developed a “clear preference” for then-candidate Donald Trump in the 2016 election and sought to help him win the White House.
The assessment, announced in an unclassified summary released Tuesday, represents a direct repudiation of the committee’s counterpart in the House — and of President Trump himself, who has consistently rejected assertions that Moscow sought to bolster his candidacy through its election interference.
“The Committee has spent the last 16 months reviewing the sources, tradecraft and analytic work underpinning the Intelligence Community Assessment and sees no reason to dispute the conclusions,” said Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said in a statement.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395408-senate-intel-committee-no-reason-to-dispute-ic-assessment-of-russian-election

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Bill Tozer

03 July 2018

1:42 pm
Your time in the pentalty box. 🙂
Bottomline: it’s impossible to quantify. No one denies that the Russians are trying to fan the flames to this very hour with this current Nazis caging brown children narrative. They love divisiveness. They love disruption, keeping other countries in turmoil. Who knows if I ever replied to a Russian bot. And they and others will just get better at it, That is a given. Same with Soros funded groups, except Soros has his foot soldiers ready to roll outonto the streets a minutes notice.
I found the whole Facebook ad purchase by Russian affiliates a big dud at best. Most where not even seen, lol. Fakenews attempts is laughable, unless you are into pictures of Michelle and Barrack eating bananas at the zoo. Guess that gets the real KKK types excited. And Chelsea’s real father is Webster Hubble and Hillary is a lesbian, in a long relationship with Huma. Poor Anthony. No wonder he turned into Carlos Danger.
The real story about Russia meddling in 2015 and 2016 was hacking into government systems. That is something that our intelligence agencies don’t talk about openly and for darn good reasons. Even personnel files of the Marine Corps got hit. Add the Chinese, North Koreans, Eastern Block countries, some of our allies, possibly a couple NAT0 allies.. And yes, Hillary’s homebrew server as well, pre-Election cycle when she Sec of State. Whose the man or men behind the curtain (s)? Who is behind Doors #1,2, and 3? There has been more fingers in there poking around than Madonna.
Yeah, there is a Russian connection straight to the Golden Shower Dossier. That is where the sources that had the goods on Trump came from. The report was based on what the Rooskies were telling Steele and Steele’s peeping toms. One is placed in the Kremlin, secret decoder ring stuff. He/She goes by the pen name, I. P. Freely.

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Don Bessee

03 July 2018

Am I the only one who noticed that the po’ ol’ fakenewsman was a happy collectivist and ignored all the evil the Russians had wrought on the world. That lasted until madam liar liar pantsuits on fire lost and scrambled for excuses and team lefty embraced a OH NO THE RUSSIANS false narrative.
They never stopped being a malign actor in every way everywhere, its the lefts willful blind spot. Monday rally for socialism, Tuesday push the Russia Trump false narrative read the party parrot lines.
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Paul Emery

03 July 2018

So you do not support the report filed by the The Senate Intelligence Committee Don?

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George Rebane

03 July 2018

PaulE 209pm – Paul, I don’t think you understand what Gregory is explaining to you in his 141pm. Your leaps of unmoored logic often take you (and yours) wide afield. Here you jump from Putin ‘approved meddling’ to the conclusion that therefore Russians ‘interfered’ or somehow actually impacted the election’s outcome. And you do that without stopping (or even slowing down) along the way to identify any mediating causes between approval and interference. This kind of thinking, although very prevalent among the Left, will not earn you a C- in a basic logics class, let alone in any serious discussion of causality.

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Bill Tozer

03 July 2018

One on Paul, use your noggin, unless you feel vindicated at last and have to get the last word in. The whole affair is exactly where we left off months (a year?) ago.
Ok, Russia attempted to meddle. Now think. Who was pre-race favorite to be the next Preaident a year or so before people officially threw their hats in the ring? Who was the Anointed One that Obama was to pass the torch to? Remember the phrase, “The Coronation of Hillary Clinton”? Hillary. Hillary the Coronated One.
Hillary was the front runner odds on favorite to be in the winner’s circle from before the time she entered the gate, to use a horse racing analogy. That’s the pony the big money was betting on.
So, of course the Russians would be going after her first and foremost, along with her political enemies from the Great Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, folks like me.
Paul, the point is stir the pot and Hillary was the one with the biggest target on her back. Then, as the election cycle wore in, the Russians covered their bets by going after Trump to try to fan some flames and, of course, Hillary. So, yes, if you need to quantify that more “Russian” attention was directed a Hillary than Trump, I see no logical reason to dispute HRC got the most feeble meddling from those trying to sow discontent. Won’t even bother to check it out. The goal is a house divided. The Russians do that to the West everywhere they go. Even in Norway.
To assign motives as facts, draw concrete conclusions, and the use the word “influence” without the obligatory preceding words ‘tried to, attempted to’ (as in attempted to influence”) is not being honest. We are exactly where we lead off. The word meddle. Now, if the Russian could of pulled it off and actually affected the outcome of a US election, then I would be up in arms.
Remember, it was Obama’s who told our counter-Intelligence boys to stand down. That was about hacking gov’t and cyber attacks. Still, not one vote of the 120 million ballots has yet to be proven to have been changed or influenced or cast because of what the Russians were doing on RT or social media. The Bernie Bros were more disruptive to the to the pro-Hillary websites than anybody, but that is neither here or there.
Protecting the voting machines from hacking and tampering is the big number one priority. But, keep digging Punchy, you are almost half way to China.
Most of us Deplorables have moved on to root our the enemies of the United States in a corrupt weaponized government Trump inherited. The very one entrusted to uphold and protect the Constitution. Lots more stink and hard evidence looking inward. Enemies of the Constitution, foreign and domestic. Meuller is on the Russian meddling thang.

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Gregory

03 July 2018

Reading the actual document (more of a press release), it is just more of the same guesses. There was one funny section:
“We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him”.
“ASPIRED”, or to long, aim, or seek ambitiously. Perchance, to dream. 😉
No collusion, no hint of success by Putin’s Flying Monkeys. No DETERMINATIONs, only “assessments”.
The actual classified report hasn’t been finished, and once that’s done they’ll start work on the unclassified version for the unwashed masses. So this is a false alarm… nothing new.

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Don Bessee

03 July 2018

So this is a false alarm… nothing new.’ AKA Fakenews from the po’ ol’ putin party parrot as usual. 😉

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Don Bessee

03 July 2018

While the po’ ol’ fakenwsman is taking a rhetorical/logical beat down lets pile on with this –
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/03/fox-news-tops-cable-news-ratings-for-66th-straight-quarter-with-q2-triumph.html
For the numerically challenged that’s 16 and a half years!
😉

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Don Bessee

03 July 2018

One for the po’ ol’ pollhead –
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/03/poll-55-percent-say-americas-best-days-are-ahead/
😉

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George Rebane

03 July 2018

DonB 413pm – Hate to be picky (actually I don’t), but that stat is more than a bit disquieting. If we split that 55% assessment between the Left and the Right, then such small percentages tell a different story. However, with the same split, perhaps one can take some small comfort in that only about one in four Americans are rooting for the country to go into the toilet.

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Don Bessee

03 July 2018

I hear ya Dr. R but to listen to the fakenews machine you would have thought it would have been 80% said the best days are behind us. From an electoral sense that’s a big margin 55 v 40. 😉

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Paul Emery

03 July 2018

It was a verification Don and Gregory that indeed the Russians did interfere in our elections with the intent of assisting Trumps election.

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scenes

03 July 2018

re: Russians.
lol. Of course they have an opinion who wins and pitch in a little money and intelligence on the down low. Jeesh, just imagine how hard the Israelis and the various Arabs push in the same or opposite direction.
All the fuss makes me wonder what turnip cart the Trumphate people fell off of. I realize that the crack KVMR news desk doesn’t have a lot of insight into international affairs (just like anyone else who doesn’t do that for a living), but come on now.
A blast from the past:
https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html#507f5e0c359a
quote:
“Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”
Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.
First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.”

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