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Sandbox – 27apr18

27 April 2018

[A great place to continue the discussion of America's horses. Last man standing wins. gjr]

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Walt

27 April 2018

One for our techies.. It may work, but I really don’t see it as practical. Actually,,, completely worthless.
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/04/pentagon-making-ray-gun-stop-truck-attacks/147702/
There would need to be one on every corner, of every street.
And how much did we pay for this?

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Paul Emery

27 April 2018

So Trump nos is on record as saying his personal lawyer is a mobster for taking the 5th in the Stormy case.
“The mob takes the Fifth,” “The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article105178626.html#storylink=cpy

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jon smith

27 April 2018

For those of you on the fence about leaving California, watch this 20 second video.
As far as I’m concerned the most pressing problem in Nevada City is homelessness. If we make our town an attractive destination for the destitute, we will never be able to get a handle on it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5665041/Shocking-footage-shows-junkies-taking-San-Francisco-BART-station.html#reader-comments

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Paul Emery

27 April 2018

typo “now is on record

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scenes

27 April 2018

re: Walt@2:54PM
Pretty cool really. A good product to stick on any Forward Operating Base road entrance, etc. Probably easy to automate with some kind of IFF stuff. A good idea.
re: JonSmith@4:11PM
“If we make our town an attractive destination for the destitute,”
I’m afraid that has already happened. I don’t think that the current situation can be walked back.
Of course, it could always be worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3rNkkCAJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk
In my shopping for towns, I’ve only found one so far with a no-tolerance policy.

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scenes

27 April 2018

The whole homeless thing is a great topic and a nice break from Paul’s areas of interest.
Plus, it has the added spice of being local with basically no help from outside.
Hey! I know the solution! We’ll have a Town Hall Meeting and then a KVMR call-in show with concerned hosts! Then we’ll build a bunch of human powered million pound gypsy wagons!

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Don Bessee

27 April 2018

With everything going wrong its nice to see Nevada City has its priorities straight –
Nevada City Mayor Duane Strawser noted several constituents questioned the proposal because most of its proponents are not from Nevada City. He added that some felt it misstated facts and showed a lack of support for those serving in the military.
Council member Reinette Senum retorted that opponents of the resolution should have showed up at the council meeting.
https://www.theunion.com/news/local-news/nevada-city-approves-peace-budget-resolution/
😉

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scenes

27 April 2018

re: DonB@6:26PM
First I’ve heard of it. Cool. We need more good resolutions full of good ideas.
I can’t say that I see the point of federal money for homeless. Most places have homeless people, so it nets out to merely churning funds. Local homeless, local money.
I’m liking this idea. Let’s say there are 50 homeless people in NC (probably more, but go with me). Maybe $50k/year apiece to give them a nice place to live, food, a little bit of spending dosh, county aid workers, training programs. 50*$50k = $2.5M. So, the 3k people in town could kick in $800/yr per person, maybe $2k per household every year.
There, that was easy.

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Don Bessee

27 April 2018

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) – A U.S. appeals court on Friday allowed Texas to implement a law requiring photo identification at the ballot box, reversing a lower court decision that blocked the measure on the grounds it could be discriminatory against racial minorities.
In a 2-1 decision, a panel from the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the law, which was designed as a fix for previous voter ID legislation struck down for being discriminatory.
The panel said the new legislation enacted last year had “improvements for disadvantaged minority voters,” the latest chapter in a seven-year dispute over voter ID at the ballot box in Texas, the most-populous Republican-controlled state.
😉

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Don Bessee

27 April 2018

@657- The last report on total expenditures on services showed $13.2 million (the last available report 2/17) on services for a population what they now say is 275+- in the county. Since that reported a ‘czar’ was hired at 150k and then you have the benefits package so its got to be at least 200k more now. You could buy them a car and a gas card so they could drive home. 😉

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Gregory

27 April 2018

I’ve been told that in the not too distant past, the homeless/transient problem in Nevada City was handled with a bus ticket to Auburn.

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Don Bessee

27 April 2018

@947 – Its been the other way to our lavish benefits post auburn experiment. One of the recent police chiefs said they were handing out our homeless resource guide in copy paper format.

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,here you go scenes,,,check out the top 20 meanest cities,,,right up your alley???
Sarasota Florida sounds promising. No state taxes and no feeding the homeless.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/crimreport/report.pdf

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Scenes

28 April 2018

Marillyn@8:02
Thanks for the help, but those are all too large. I’ll probably stick with smaller towns in the western US.
Those small towns are a mixed bag of course, with varying degrees of pro-homeless thinking. I’m afraid that NC is close to jumping the shark in that arena. Like in a lot of other areas, the homeless advocates are much more politically active than the law ‘n order types.
An interesting concept for dealing with the problem is what Las Vegas did. They put most of the homeless services in a fairly defined area, and then avoided running mass transit there.
If you have a bit of money, my general philosophy is that there’s no point in complaining about it, but simply vote with your feet if need be. The problem is impossibly large and the solutions tend to cause more of the problem. It’s easier just to change location than to change your present environment. Some Green Libertarians tend to do the same thing, but pull it off by living outside of downtowns.

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scenes

28 April 2018

from Marillyn’s article-
“#5 Las Vegas, NV. ….
In order to keep homeless individuals out of future parks, the city considered
privatizing the parks, enabling owners to kick out unwanted people. ”
Now that is clever. I wonder how they would deal with insurance issues.

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,who knew???
http://prospect.org/article/shameful-silence-ceos

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Scott Obermuller

28 April 2018

Marilyn – That piece of crap from Prospect was filled with lies, name calling and one huge dose of ignoring reality.
Growing inequality? The worst state in the union for income inequality is California. And who runs the state?

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Paul Emery

28 April 2018

Don writes: ” The last report on total expenditures on services showed $13.2 million on services for a population what they now say is 275 ”
Are you saying those expenditures sere specifically for the homeless? Can you point me to where you found that information?

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Gregory

28 April 2018

so 1000am
The prospect piece was written by Robert Reiche, now at UC Berkeley.
Back when Reiche was appearing regularly on Kudlow’s CNBC program, Kudlow & Company, he told my son it was a horrible program and he shouldn’t watch it. I gather Reiche cashed his checks.

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George Rebane

28 April 2018

Re homeless solutions: The People’s Republic of Santa Monica go all mushy about the plight of the homeless in 1970s, and passed ordinances that made being homeless by iconic seaside SM a pleasure. The came in droves, and soon public access areas (including parking structures) were filled with urine, feces, and other filth. The tourist oriented city suffered. Brilliant idea – we’ll gather them up, put ’em in vans, and take them to and dump ’em in Anaheim (Orange County). Soon Anaheim caught on and started reciprocating until cooler heads prevailed and they called of the ‘transporting’ of the homeless to each other. In the interval SM did away with the ‘y’all come’ ordinances and is having the police pick them up and take them to new and expensive shelters or jail. I guess the lesson learned is if you’re going to transport them, pick more distant and more numerous destination cities so you can disperse your offal before they catch on. But then, there’s no way to keep the bums from talking about being transported, so maybe the only solution is to change to an autocratic form of governance in which we’re all (except the elites) equally poor and the homeless problem goes away. BTW, isn’t that already Sacramento’s solution?

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Paul Emery

28 April 2018

George
When the
County organized a town hall meeting on homeliness three or four years ago Nevada and Placer County representatives agreed that 60-70% of the homeless in those Counties were long time residents of the Counties and a high percentage of them were Veterans.

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,VA sec tries to keep vets homeless,,,fails
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/12/07/homeless-veterans-program-460-million/

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,trumpski parade could feed homeless,,,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/03/12/trumps-parade-could-feed-all-homeless-veterans-but-we-could-have-before-as-well/amp/

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,money from pubber giant pork teat to house homeless vets,,,
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/43044-hud-va-giving-43-million-to-find-homes-for-homeless-veterans

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George Rebane

28 April 2018

MarillynL 1052am – And your point please? Could we not do away with all of our cultural celebrations, and redirect the money toward alms for the poor and needy?
PaulE 1039am – I was only musing on Gregory’s 947pm. Transportation does not work.

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Walt

28 April 2018

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Walt

28 April 2018

Disregard.. Computer gremlins.

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Bill Tozer

28 April 2018

The first ever proposed tax on water usage is making its way through the California State Assembly.
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california/State-Water-Tax-Bill-Opposed-by-San-Diego-Tax-Payers-Association-480878511.html

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Gregory

28 April 2018

Feed homeless and you get more homeless.
Hire people to feed and care for the needs of the homeless and you get more public employees being paid far more than the homeless need were they to get the money directly.

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,heck of a job Brownie,,,
The story of the ”’Katrina FEMA”’ trailers — which Grist has assembled from Freedom of Information Act requests, interviews, and the public record — goes like this: Less than 24 hours after the New Orleans levees broke, trailer companies were in touch with local officials for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), setting up contracts to provide housing for people whose homes were destroyed in the flood. Since 80 percent of New Orleans, plus a whole lot of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama coastline, had been flooded, the need for housing was overwhelming. At the time, there were about 14,000 trailers in lots around the country, waiting to be sold; FEMA needed 120,000. It ordered nearly $2.7 billion worth of travel trailers and mobile homes from 60 different companies, and the production lines cranked into overdrive.
FEMA ultimately succeeded in deploying 140,000 trailers up and down the ravaged Gulf Coast. Then it had to start figuring out what to do with them as people began to rebuild their lives and leave them behind. The agency had planned on getting rid of the trailers by selling them, possibly even to the people who were living in them, but that was no longer an option. In July of 2007, FEMA suspended sales of the trailers to the public, and in November, it announced plans to move as many residents as possible out of the trailers — partly, a FEMA spokesperson said, because of formaldehyde levels.
,,,what happened to the $20k trailers???
Jan. 1, 2010, a court injunction banning the sale of the trailers expired, and FEMA handed them off to the General Services Administration (GSA) to auction them off, for about 7 percent what FEMA had originally paid for them. The GSA made buyers sign an agreement promising not to sell them as housing, and it slapped stickers on them saying that they were not to be used for human habitation — just storage or recreation.
,,,formaldehyde

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,lots of talk about homeless vets,,,lots of gubmint military bases and property all over the country,,,many with empty buildings
,,,national guard could manage the bases as camps for homeless vets,,,buildings could be repurposed to provide some types of gainful employment, education,etc.
,,,gubmint wastes massive amounts of money on the military,,,divert cruise missile firework display money,,,still within the military,,,to take care of vets…HUD,,,VA and other agencies would also share in the funding of the camps.

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jon smith

28 April 2018

Bill
$150,000,000.00 to clean up water for about 1 million people?? Sounds about right.

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jon smith

28 April 2018

So California collects 150 million tax dollars to clean water for 1 million people. Okay. What about the next year and the next and the next? Do they keep re-cleaning the same water? Something sounds wildly amiss with this report. Or maybe they simply want clean showers for the homeless to piss in.

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Don Bessee

28 April 2018

@1000am – That comes from the supervisors annual planning meeting where it was briefed to the Supervisors by County staff, February 2017. I have shared the actual document previously, it was page 23 of the briefing.
Cost of homeless by service category;
Financial food assistance -$7.46 million
Permanent housing assistance- $3.2 million
Mental health and substance- $1.38 million
Case management and outreach- $.56 million
Temporary housing- $.43 million
Emergency shelter- $.18 million
Since then they have created a $150K plus benefits, homeless ‘czar’ and threw another chunk of change at the issue so its more like $13,500,000.00++ this year.
We know it does not serve your narrative but those are the numbers ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman. 😉

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scenes

28 April 2018

from Mr. Paul:
“and a high percentage of them were Veterans.” (referring to homeless)
The numbers I see for homeless that are veterans range from something like 8% to 11%. I’m happy to post the sources if needed. It’s a surprisingly high number I think, but since the welfare system is set up for everybody but working age men, maybe it makes sense.
..and to be fair, I’m absolutely not trying to diss you here…you have to ask how many vets actually did something dangerous for a living.
It’s pretty obvious that the causes for homeless people, especially the PITA variety, are all over the map. It’s kind of like trying to analyze infectious disease. People will tend to find a causality that meets their own political need (IT’S ALL REAGAN’S FAULT!!!, it’s because of drug laws!!!, they’re all vets with PTSD!, the Republicans stole our jobs!, etc.).

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Don Bessee

28 April 2018

Sounds like dreamy Trudeau is having unintended consequences –
MONTREAL — As Nigerian asylum seekers flood into Canada across a ditch in Upstate New York, Canadian authorities are asking the United States for help — but not with managing the influx at the border. Instead, they want U.S. immigration officials to reduce the foot traffic by screening Nigerians more stringently before granting them U.S. visas. It is a ripple effect that few expected last summer when people, mostly Haitians, began to walk into Quebec via an “irregular” border crossing north of Plattsburgh, N.Y., and seek refugee status. With the coming of spring, the flow has picked up again. But recently, the asylum seekers have been mostly Nigerian, and their route to the border is more …
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/3f702565-54cd-35d3-9d47-b595057300dc/ss_nigerians-are-walking-into.html
😉

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scenes

28 April 2018

Mr/Mrs Marilynn-
“,,,lots of talk about homeless vets,,,lots of gubmint military bases and property all over the country,,,many with empty buildings”
,,,It sounds like you want to reverse deinstitutionalization. So much for Saint Kennedy’s good works.
My guess is that the only way to reduce homelessness is via culture. If living under a bridge is shameful, fewer people will do it. The moment that governments subsidize poor behavior and the village you live in lacks any kind of core morality, you get riff raff behavior. It’s that simple.

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George Rebane

28 April 2018

DonB 304pm – Soon the Canadians will start rejecting their walk-ins and cries of racism will be heard all across their land from their more progressive elements. And all this will be totally invisible to our progressives when they contemplate the traffic across our southern border.

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Don Bessee

28 April 2018

Here is one for those afflicted with BDS, TURDS or TDS –
Trump has almost hit a key economic target
Rick Newman Fri, Apr 27 9:44 AM PDT
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Here’s what Q1 GDP says about Trump’s handle on the economy
Scroll back up to restore default view.
Economic growth in the first quarter was disappointing, but still not too shabby. And over the last four quarters, growth has nearly hit the level President Trump said he would achieve while campaigning.
GDP growth in the first quarter was a middling 2.3%, down from 2.9% in the fourth quarter. But first quarter GDP growth has been confoundingly low in several years recently, suggesting a measurement problem with the data that might be related to winter weather, or something else. Growth in subsequent quarters has sometimes come in stronger than expected, as if some growth is pushed out of the first quarter into other quarters.
During the last 12 months, the picture is clearer—and more encouraging. President Trump has promised to boost annual GDP growth to 3% or more, and he’s nearly there. The economy has grown at a 2.9% annualized rate during the last four quarters, including the weak first-quarter number that just came out. If there’s a snapback in growth this spring or summer, annualized GDP growth will exceed 3%.
Trump’s predecessor, President Obama, oversaw an economy that staggered out of a deep recession and never quite got into gear. During Obama’s second term, annual GDP growth averaged just 2.3%. The strongest years under Obama were 2013 and 2014, when growth hit 2.7%. But in Obama’s final year, growth fell to just 1.8%, fueling Trump’s rampant criticism of Obamanomics.
On the Yahoo Finance Trumponomics Report Card, which has been measuring the progress of the Trump economy since last May, Trump earns a B.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-almost-hit-key-economic-target-164456272.html
😉

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scenes

28 April 2018

re DonBessee@3:04PM
Nigeria? The most important chart of our time.
http://www.businessinsider.com/africas-population-explosion-will-change-humanity-2015-8

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Walt

28 April 2018

The more you “give”, the more they will take, then call their friends.
When those unemployment checks ran out it gave incentive to go find a job.
Now Placer Co. actually points the homeless in our direction. They tell those looking for the handout that services are better up here.
The Mrs. helps run one of the organizations that deals with the homeless.
Don.. do your numbers above take into account the charity’s monitory help? Or are those just tax dollars? There is plenty more money going to the homeless in one form or another from the true nonprofits.

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scenes

28 April 2018

re Walt@3:37PM
No problemo. Just build some more microhouses. Remember those? They were A SUCCESS!!! The GORILLA LOVE PROJECT!!!
https://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2011/05/30/micro-home-project-in-grass-valley-a-success/
http://sierravoices.com/2011/05/29/reinette-senum-on-nevada-countys-gorilla-love-project/
as Alli Rallixsee said – “It was so incredible to walk up today and see such a diverse, huge group of volunteers working busily away. Thanks for being such a powerful spark, Reinette.”
lol. You can’t make this stuff up. Gotta have that diverse, huge group. Just one more problem for Waste Management to deal with.

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Walt

28 April 2018

I remember,,, but since I don’t go anywhere near where the homeless congregate, I can’t say if those boxes are even around anymore.
I do recall seeing a few that sat for months at the old Hills Flat lumber yard. (no missing them from the freeway)
Now when all the do gooders were building those boxes,, were there any future inhabitants there to help?

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jon smith

28 April 2018

I think those dog houses were constructed by the worm farm crowd. When the particle board got wet EVERY SINGLE door pulled out of its hinges. It was hilariously sad, but entirely predictable for a Senum project.

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,scenes,,,no,,,to the shaming idea

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Marillyn Lock-Heed

28 April 2018

,,,bwahahaha!!!,the meatheads are chanting ”’nobel”’while trumpski hides from the correspondent’s dinner!!!
,,,his contribution to the peace process???, telling lil Kim he had a small ”’button”’!!!

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George Rebane

28 April 2018

Pardon me, but what did Obama do for his Nobel?

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scenes

28 April 2018

Marillyn sez:
“,,,scenes,,,no,,,to the shaming idea”
Nonsense. Both you and I are surrounded by social mores. It’s what makes the world go ’round.
Mr Walt –
“Now when all the do gooders were building those boxes,, were there any future inhabitants there to help?”
Good question, but probably not. I suspect they were good-hearted folks of some means but light on construction skills.
I think we need to brainstorm a new answer. With the Senum Shanties disappearing into the sunset and the Diversity Teepee gone from town, it’s probably time for something else.

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Don Bessee

28 April 2018

Hoped for change @ 621. 😉

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Scott Obermuller

28 April 2018

Marilyn at 5:58: so – we should celebrate being a bum? How many have you invited to live at your place?
What – none?
Why not? They’re just like you and I. ‘Cept for being bums.
The left loves bums. As long as they don’t live anywhere near where the bums set up camp. The whole ‘homeless’ problem is another left-wing invention. There have always been folks that just want to drift around and not be responsible. It’s a free country – let em.
But they still have to follow the same rules you and I have to. You lefties wouldn’t understand that sort of legal ideal.
Then there are the folks that need help. Like now. But the courts ruled a long time ago that the state had no right to help them, so out into the fresh air they went – helpless and messed up. Anything less than an institutional setting for them is hopeless.
And then there are the ones that had a tenuous hold on a house and a job but the shit hit the fan and they’re out on the streets. Those are the small minority of homeless but they do appreciate the help and most do get back on their feet with some help.
The main problem isn’t ‘homelessness’, it’s why they are home less. A lot just don’t care. They will suck up every dollar you spend on them and the problem just gets worse. The left just will not deal with humans in a realistic manner. Where is the problem worst? Where the left governs. Yet the left is convinced they know best.
Have fun.

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