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George Rebane

Silly me.  And here all along I thought I knew what is a community dialogue in a town hall format.  You know, a gathering for which they make a big announcement for everyone interested to gather together, hear some speaker(s), and then everyone has a chance to be heard.  Au contraire mon ami.  The gun violence town hall weโ€™ve been talking about here for a week or more is really for a restricted audience, a select and correct thinking group perhaps, one that got the flyer you see here below.  If you werenโ€™t in that group, youโ€™re SOL unless you can squeeze in with a last-minute RSVP.  And, of course, RSVPs only work if you have something to respond to, sil vous plait.  So I hope that some politically incorrect members of the community are also allowed to join that exclusive tete-a-tete this coming Friday, otherwise Iโ€™m going to be very lonely and may need an armed escort to exit the building.  Bottom line, it ainโ€™t gonna be announced in The Union.

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[21apr18 update]  The town hall came off pretty much as advertised; attendance was almost at capacity in the Nevada City council chambers.  However, the way that the discussion was framed for the panel was a bit different than my takeaway from the first meeting.  Actually, the discussion was not framed at all save for asking us all to talk about guns and school safety โ€œon the community levelโ€.

Judge Tom Anderson, who overall did an excellent job a mediator, in his opening remarks specifically stated that this was not to be a discussion on Second Amendment which would โ€œtake us all dayโ€ to cover.  With this constraint, the rest of the evening consisted of a series of disjointed panel comments and answers that ranged from claiming that we have an ongoing shooting โ€œepidemicโ€ to a โ€œcrisisโ€, to arming teachers or not, to passing more gun regulations since they reduced crime, and on and on.  We were not able to get to any specific problem that the community could get its arms around to solve, and that for the simple reason that none of us knew what acceptable problem domain were we supposed treat or even use as the basis for developing a list.

Lots of anecdotal comments were offered on how horrible it was to get shot at, have a loved one killed by a shooter, and the studentsโ€™ fear of a massacre that now permeated schools nationwide, including in Nevada County.  The consensus of the four liberal panelists was that the passing of more gun controls, and perhaps confiscating certain types of guns, would keep the kids safe and reduce crime since their data showed โ€˜more gun controls, less gun violenceโ€™.  In actuality, as cited here previously, โ€œthere is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.โ€

Jarod Johnson, owner of The Range and ex-LE officer, was the only other apparent non-liberal who strongly maintained that schools should each have an armed policeman on duty to stop massacres.  And he agreed that only guns on the premises will stop people with guns.  He didnโ€™t quite finish with โ€˜when seconds count, police are minutes awayโ€™.

My interjected points (only one question was actually posed to me during the evening) included attempts to communicate the following.

  • Right and Left agree on neither the facts nor their interpretation. The path toward a solution should start on whatever part of the worldview we do share.
  • The search for a community solution should start with identification of a solvable problem and a specific utility (numerical metric) that measures our progress.
  • Willing teachers should be trained and armed to reduce the loss of life in school massacres.
  • Children learn fear from their elders (parents, teachers, media). Unreasonable fear of in-school massacres has to be carefully taught to young impressionable brains.  Nevada County youth regularly die in traffic accidents at rates at least two orders of magnitude higher than from anything gun related, yet no one is afraid of getting in a car and driving off.  
  • Stricter gun controls do not affect suicide rates โ€“ committed suicides find alternate means. (Massachusetts was cited where suicide rates were supposed have dropped with increased gun controls โ€“ the fact is exactly the opposite, its suicide rates increased by at least 40% in the 2004-14 decade.  More alternate facts.)
  • Homicide rates are culture driven, not gun driven โ€“ Londonโ€™s murder rate with knives now exceeds NYCโ€™s with guns.
  • The need to include the 2nd Amendment and its core purpose/meaning in ANY discussion of gun ownership, violence, safety, control, โ€ฆ is seminal because that is the basis for half the country resisting gun confiscators and any incremental ratcheting toward that goal.
  • Saving teen lives (i.e. max expected lives saved) in Nevada County should not start with, or perhaps even include, the fortification of schools โ€“ drugs, alcohol, suicides, opiates, โ€ฆ should get our first attention and efforts.
  • The next town hall on saving teen lives should define and recommend a locally achievable project or program.
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96 responses to “Gun Violence Community Dialogue & Town Hall Update (updated 21apr18)”

  1. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “These school shooters are white males, not black on black crime stats. ”
    That’s an interesting question to ask I think, and the answer isn’t clear.
    I started grinding through these:
    http://www.mtv.com/news/2288514/a-complete-list-of-the-142-school-shootings-since-sandy-hook/
    and so far the count appears to be distributed like ‘normal’ murders. The other thing that pops out, of course, is that practically all the shootings are with a handgun.
    Somebody really should spend an afternoon and build a table of this kind of thing.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I think that school shootings that have the public’s full measure of attention involve students and staff at active schools during normal school hours. Not as some of the shootings that have made the lists that are shootings at nighttime in parking lots of decommissioned schools.
    People are worried about people coming onto school grounds during school in order to kill as many students and staff as possible. Not drug deals gone bad in the school parking lot at night when everyone else is sleeping.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Here’s a little stat (re MarilynnL’s 515pm) that’s easy to compute from RR comment streams. Compare the number of those on Right citing and knowing the contents of leftwing blogs, cable channels, major networks to the number of citings and content knowledge displayed by those on the Left of conservative outlets. You’ll quickly see that ONLY ones who do in fact regularly critically examine both sides are those of us on the starboard rail. And I submit Ms Lock is my Exhibit A for this observation.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar

    The weekly Standard came out with their Never Trump cover issue and Bill Kristol, the magโ€™s head honcho, said unabashedly within the last 14 days that he would vote for Michelle Obama in 2020 rather than Trump, hands down. Yet, I still read the conversative publication (or Neo conversative to the Left) and never pass up the opportunity to read Mother Jones if I find an article that sounds interesting…and the Intercept and those Hillary sites like Hello Giggles. My Google News feeds and the Yahoo News feeds are full of WaPo and Huff-n-Puff Post and plenty of CNN stories and always video clips from Rachel and gang over at PMSNBC. But, there are some writers I do follow because I like them. But, that ainโ€™t the point now, is it?
    Now, letโ€™s get back on topic and narrow this down. Shoot shooters. Focus, people, focus….I tell the man in the mirror.
    White males, teenagers tending to be in the the late teenage range, from suburbia and bedroom communities, no father around, broken homes, working moms, divorce happened at a critical time of development, and all on psych meds, may have moved into the district since divorce….
    Hmm. Well, thatโ€™s why Cub Scouts has Den Mothers and there ainโ€™t enough male volunteers and dads around to do the little league baseball or soccer coach, Indian Guides, Royal Rangers, sing around the campfire dads around, so, Mom you play Dad.
    That is a lot of white boys with single Moms in our area to look at. Then the head med thang. And the isolation thang. And the hate school thang. That is your โ€œat riskโ€ profile.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Oh yeah. Forgot to add high school shooters. College shooters are a horse of a different color.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let’s be clear, George, all signs are pointing to MariLoon L-H being animated by the fisting of Doug Keachie, who thinks everyone deserves to hear his opinion and in order to sell his opinion takes making up names. A man of many sock puppets.
    And the ONLY reason I changed to using only my first name on this blog is because Keachie kept sliming me here and George’s opinion was that anything goes on his free speech blog, unless of course the handfuls of monkey poop being thrown are in his direction. It’s his sandbox.
    BTW I did sit through the Hodge-Miller podcast today, and Hilary Hodge is a piece of work. I specifically listened for the claim of someone (Toes?) that she thought the AR-57 should be banned, and if I were to have to come down to one gun to be banned, a nonexistent model like the AR-57 (Armalite had designed eighteen rifles inventively named AR-1, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6, -7, -8. -9, -10, -11, -12, -13, -14, -15, -16, -17 and, finally, the AR-18. It went out of business and, years later armed with the name, a few designs were attempted but none were sold.
    Some nuggets of gun wisdom from Ms. Hodge (there may be a transcription error or two):
    “AR-57’s are weapons of war”
    “All semiautomatic or automatic weapons should be out of civilian hands”
    “show me your well-regulated militias and I’ll relent on some of my gun safety positions”
    No, Ms. Hodge, the 2nd amendment does not “advocate for well regulated militias”… in clear 18th century grammar, it states that (Because) a well-regulated militia (is) necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to own and carry guns shall not be infringed. Meaning it isn’t about guns for shooting at some food but between running to a militia in a ‘to arms’ call, or shooting at a poorly regulated militia that is subjugating the rights of the people, sure, use your guns to shoot at some food or bad guys trying to harm you..
    The Brady mouthpiece to George’s right seemed to think such thoughts indicate an irrational fear… no, fear of the current government isn’t in the cards, it’s the government that might come to power that would convince enough people to turn in the guns and they’ll protect everyone. Sure you will.
    That said, Dan Miller was also somewhat unclear on the concept, that, golly, he doesn’t know why anyone who isn’t a bad guy or in the army would need an assault weapon… but at least he was clear that the 2nd Amendment was the law of the land.

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  7. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Gregory@8:23
    “I think that school shootings that have the public’s full measure of attention involve students and staff at active schools during normal school hours. Not as some of the shootings that have made the lists that are shootings at nighttime in parking lots of decommissioned schools.”
    I agree with that, but the tendency will be to conflate all sources of shootings on school grounds in order to beef up the numbers. Following that, you take the most heinous crimes and act as if that’s the normal form. Step three, of course, is to make sure that the perps are viewed to be as similar to your political adversaries as possible.
    It’s not too different than this tendency to add in gun suicides with murder.
    Anyhow, the facts of the matter appear to be difficult to track down after spending a few minutes on the matter. If I have absolutely nothing else to do, I might make a spreadsheet of the 142 shootings and try to get to the heart of the thing. I expect that I can guess ahead of time what the most common shootings consist of, but really don’t know.

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  8. Marillyn Lock-Heed Avatar
    Marillyn Lock-Heed

    ,,,petty gotchas like โ€˜โ€™โ€™she said AR-51โ€™โ€™โ€™,,,or โ€œthey got it wrong with Massachusetts suicide statisticsโ€™โ€™โ€™ do little to help your cause as you try to wiggle out of the straight jacket of facts you are presented with.
    โ€œOctober 24, 2017
    Few Americans understand that a gun in the home increases the risk of completed suicide
    While the overwhelming majority of firearms researchers and suicide experts agree that a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide, that knowledge has yet to reach the general population. HICRCโ€™s national firearm survey finds that only 15% of Americans agree that the presence of a firearm in the home increases the risk for suicide, and only 30% of health care practitioners agree. Clearly more education about the scientific findings is needed. The article โ€œPublic opinion about the relationship between firearm availability and suicide: results from a national surveyโ€ by Andrew Conner, Deborah Azrael and Matthew Miller appears as a brief research report in the Annals of Internal Medicine.โ€
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/

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  9. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Few Americans understand that a gun in the home increases the risk of completed suicide”
    So?

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  10. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    You know, with this suicide thing, it seems to me that we just need the same laws as Japan, France, South Korea, Belgium, Austria, and Finland. That should solve it.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Golly Keach 8:10am, Tom Lehrer wrote “Don’t write naughty words on walls if you can’t spell”, and a political analog is “Don’t name guns to be banned if you’re oblivious and ignorant as to what they are and what they’re called”.
    But here’s some great information and graphics showing a clear decrease of school shootings, mass shootings and onsey-twosies both, for the last couple decades…
    https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/26/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/
    An epidemic? Hardly Every injury and death are tragedies, but exaggeration to punish the uninvolved and innocent in a crafted political frenzy is wrong.

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Another Co. about to get educated in economics.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/22/boycottyeti-movement-erupts-cooler-maker-ditches-nra/
    Dopers and mineral water drinkers can’t afford high priced coolers.

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  13. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: Walt@10:10AM
    That’s too funny. Doesn’t Pelican also make a super high-end cooler? I can’t imagine that those guys would ever diss the gun people given their product line.
    The way to add insult to injury would be to press for a competitor’s product.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    Every liberal comment here confirms the different worlds theory. That they don’t want to address, and that’s the only starting point worth considering because there are no others that have a snowball’s chance in hell of coming to any common ground.
    BTW, the MA suicide rate was not a petty point corrected; it was a sample from data that refute the entire position about gun regs and suicide rates.

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    gr 118pm
    “Math is hard!”
    -Barbie!

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  16. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Hopefully the Hoggman can take down Vanguard.
    https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/986335537568116737
    I mean, whatever it takes, right?
    You know, it seems to me that if the Green Libertarians want to run a successful civil war, and for their sake I hope that their opponents don’t get too angry about it, they’d be better off sticking to the near-monopolies at the heart of the system. VISA, GoDaddy, Paypal, Facebook/Google, Cloudflare, Amazon, big media companies, a few large banks. You can keep up the pretense of freedom but run the show with a pretty darned iron grip if you have your hand on the controls of a few companies. Maybe they could get Verizon/ATT/Sprint to drop the NRA as a customer.
    http://hoggwatch.com/
    You do have to laugh. We are living in a world where gun videos and other non-PC topics are moving to pornhub, 4chan is filled with people who push for fitness, independence, Christianity along with all the Hitler/commie talk, Liberals are pro-multinational companies. It’s a funny ol’ world.
    You know things have gotten good when being married, going to church, becoming a marksman, pro-classical education, patriotic, are all viewed as radical acts.
    Personally, I’m waiting for the first shareholder lawsuit resulting from a SJW CEO doing a bit of virtue signaling and cutting into profits. That should be a hoot.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scenes 858am
    Following up on your post, I recall a statistic that the NRA came up in the 1980’s with was a violent death rate… murders plus suicide. Japan had very few murders but enough suicides, without guns, that their violent death rate was higher than in the USA.
    AND, immigrants from Japan to the USA had much lower violent death rates than the folks they left behind despite guns being available practically for the asking. It might be instructive to generate the current numbers for immigrants from Japan, France, South Korea, Belgium, Austria, and Finland. Old country/New World, murder and suicide rates.
    While murder is ugly, I’m not sure I’d not choose to grow up in a high murder rate country (like mine!) if the alternative is a culture so oppressive that all age groups are driven to kill themselves from shame. No guns? No problemo dude, there’s always buildings and bridges to jump from and even higher “suicide completion” outcomes.
    “and for all of you who are looking for something meaningful, we have TNT suppositories for everyone”
    – John Belushi in Lemmings, as the Announcer for the Woodchuck Festival of Peace, Love and Death

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Few Americans understand that a gun in the home increases the risk of completed suicide”.
    So – the contention is that in any given home the introduction of a firearm increases the desire by some one in that home to kill themselves?
    I’d love to hear the theory about that nonsense. Can’t help but notice there’s nothing said about the method of the suicide.
    What is it about fire arms that causes folks to become irrational?

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  19. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “What is it about fire arms that causes folks to become irrational?”
    The internet.
    That, and you can figure that most national issues are merely a continuation of the 2016 Presidential campaign, the longest since 1860.
    Sometimes I feel like I should sign up for one of those newspaper archive websites. It would be interesting to see what the news writing looked like in different eras without guessing.

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  20. Walt Avatar

    I blame the Proggys for this death.
    http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/umc-announces-memorial-for-parkland-middle-school-boy-struck-and-killed/732734213
    An 11 year old? REALLY? The young one has not a damned clue about gun politics, yet your side feels the need to use them as tools.
    If the child had been in the classroom where by all rights should have been, we would not be reading about it today.
    A POX of the house of Progressive!

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Walt – you do know it’s the NRAs fault.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    It always is Scott.
    No good deed goes unpunished. Being the nature lover I am, I have been feeding all sorts of critters. The latest Fox raiding the goods. I failed to reload the bowl ONE night, and the bastard drops a turd right outside the window on the table. The ungrateful SOB.
    Winter is coming soon. The Mrs. could use a new fox stole.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar

    1) Speaking of walkouts, I was surprised the fine NU young man on the Community Gun Violence Dialogue Panel said that after organizing for the Walkout by getting the word out with some flyers and word of mouth spreading across campus and using social media, 200 hundred fellow Miners joined in on the day and did their 17 minute school walkout. Hmm. How big is NU? I would guess around 2,200-2,300 students. 200 only?
    2). You know, with nobody talking about school protection and going off into suicide by gun in the home, it sure looks like their solution is to come for the guns. That would be like killing two birds with one stone and the problem is solved. Just donโ€™t see them taking any half measures because, you know, sucking on the barrel of a gun greatly increases the chances for a successful mission accomplished. . A rather gorgey visual.
    Guess it would be in bad taste to say suicide is against the law. Nor would it be fit for polite company to mention that in the reading old Union articles from the Gold Rush days, a new suicide fad was catching on with the miners and others was to wrap a ball of gunpowderup in a cloth, put it in your mouth and light it. Seemed to be a rash of them during one particular two month period.
    Bottomline, I think the only solution, the Final Solution (if you will), in the Leftiesโ€™ sights is to take away all the guns. School mass shootings is just the way to get more than a foot in the door. Suicides by handguns. Harder with shotguns cause you got to tie that string around the door knob or your big toe. Handguns gotta go.
    Oh, if you got offended cause I said โ€œThe Final Solutionโ€, well I am offended they are using #Never Again, which is the phrase used to always remember the Holocaust, aka, The Final Solution.

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  24. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Walt sez:
    “Another Co. about to get educated in economics.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/22/boycottyeti-movement-erupts-cooler-maker-ditches-nra/
    Dopers and mineral water drinkers can’t afford high priced coolers.”
    I see that RTIC put a big ol’ 2nd Amendment on their Facebook page. They probably can’t believe their good luck.
    I expect that if I found the need for a super-expensive cooler, I’d buy a Pelican. It’s a COO thing.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Reading the article on the Gun townhall today made me laugh. The left wants to keep yapping as they think that will solve “gun violence”. The right says a good guy with a gun is the answer. The differences are irreconcilable.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Re: Parkland School Massacre: Progressive Ideology Trumps Student Safety
    โ€œIn the end, it was all about gun control, not safetyโ€
    https://patriotpost.us/articles/55511-progressive-ideology-trumps-student-safety
    โ€œNot nearly as reprehensible as the action taken by the Board itself. In response to the shooting, the state established the Coach Aaron Feis Guardian Program, named after the hero football coach who died while protecting students. It allocated $67 million statewide for training and payments enabling certain school employees to be armed.
    The Board unanimously voted to decline participation.
    Adding insult to injury, the Board and Runcie decided to leave the PROMISE program in place. โ€œWeโ€™re not going to dismantle a program in this district that is serving and helping kids appropriately because of news that is not fact-based,โ€ he said.
    According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, weapons possession, fighting, bullying and attempted suicide all rose for Broward high schools between 2013 and 2015. Additionally, state data reveal that Broward County has the highest level of weapons-related incidents in South Florida.
    Those are the facts. Thus, while the progressive clarion calls for gun control remain front and center, and the race-based PROMISE program that shields minority student miscreants remains in place, all students ultimately remain as vulnerable as they ever were.โ€

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Keeping teens safe? The bullies are running the classrooms, hallways, and schools.
    Restorative Justice, from coast to coast. From 2015. Way too many nuggets to quote, here is a couple at random:
    โ€œThere have been serious threats against teachers,โ€ Oakland High School science teacher Nancy Caruso told the Christian Science Monitor, and yet the students werenโ€™t expelled. She notes a student who set another studentโ€™s hair on fire received a โ€œrestorativeโ€ talk in lieu of suspension.โ€
    โ€œAfter spending millions on restorative justice and โ€œcourageous conversations about raceโ€ training, Portland public schools have seen their students only grow more violent.
    After a black high-school boy repeatedly punched his teacher in the face, sending her to the emergency room, the teacher, who is white, was advised by the assistant principal not to press charges. The administrator lectured her about how hard it is for young black men to overcome a criminal record.
    Worse, she was told she should examine what role she, โ€œas a white womanโ€ holding unconscious racial biases, played in the attack, according to the Willamette (Oregon) Week.โ€
    https://nypost.com/2015/03/14/politicians-are-making-schools-less-safe-and-ruining-education-for-everyone/

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar

    โ€œSeveral students also questioned how school district leaders could justify additional investments for police, metal detectors, and the like, when theyโ€™ve long said other priorities โ€” such as textbooks, building repairs, and funding for restorative justice programs โ€” couldnโ€™t be funded.โ€
    https://www.the74million.org/article/ahead-of-national-walkout-students-from-across-the-country-call-for-limits-on-campus-cops-more-counselors/
    Ah, Restorative justice programs will stop school shootings and school bullying and make all the kids โ€œfeelโ€ safe. Restorative Justice programs probably are not on the top of the list in Nevada County schools, so nevermind. Probably high on Hilary Hodgeโ€™s list, but I digress.

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  29. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Meanwhile at the lefty watering hole: PROOF! People don’t kill people, guns do!
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/24/1759469/–Guns-Don-t-Kill-People-People-Do-MYTH-BUSTED-FOREVER-AND-EVER-AND-EVER
    But of course there was that unfortunate driving on the sidewalk thingie in Toronto.
    And there’s the knife-sticky-in-the-body thingie going on and various other ways that people end the lives of other people – but not in lefty-land. Only guns kill people. In lefty-land, you can’t possibly kill with out a fire arm.
    Proof! Forever and ever and ever!
    Go ahead – just try to have a ‘conversation’ with that sort of mind.

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  30. Marillyn Lock-Heed Avatar
    Marillyn Lock-Heed

    ,,,spoken like a gun apologist Scotto,,,

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Gun apologist”? There’s a new one. Guns are inanimate objects. I wasn’t aware they needed to have some one apologise for them.
    Are you defending the article, Marilyn? Or did you just stop by to throw rocks?

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 1237pm – I believe Ms Lock used ‘apologist’ in the sense of a dissertation defending a given proposition. We went around this little bit of semantics under the par force post.

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  33. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ah – well, my proposition was that the article in DK ‘prooving’ that you ‘need’ guns to kill people based on the fact that one individual chose not to kill any more people after he had his (father’s?) gun taken away from him was patently absurd. People kill other humans on a daily basis using all manner of methods.
    Seems like the lefties only care about human life when it fits their political needs.
    How about we look at the reasons why some people are violent and maybe do something about it?
    Nah – let’s just rant about scary guns and let the death toll keep on going up.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Think Ms. Wilcox brought up Connecticut during the March on Townhall Dialogue.
    Was is happening to little Connecticut? Their Senator was US Marine reserve sgt. (served stateside only) that had been busted opening boasting in speeches he is a Vietnam vet. Never aplogized. Their governor Oโ€™Malloy is such a dufus that even his own party calls him stupid. And the former mayor of Bridgeport was sent to prison for six years for corruption only to come back after release to win his old job back as mayor….and now has a chance to win the Dem primary for Gov. Shades of Marion Barry.
    Oh yeah the point:
    Hartford, New Haven and Bridgeport are all rated on the Neighborhood Scout list of the 100 most dangerous cities in the United States. Bridgeport comes in at number 89, Hartford holds down the 46th spot while New Haven, the spot where Gov. Dannel Malloy announced his โ€œsecond chanceโ€ initiative holds the stateโ€™s worst ranking at 37. To put those numbers in perspective, Compton, Calif., is ranked 33rd and Newark N.J. 31st.
    One of the major factors in the killings is the drug trade and the street gangs that control it. In those areas of our cities where you donโ€™t want to stay too long, the street gangs aggressively protect their territories. The funds to buy the guns and bullets protecting these territories come from the sales and distribution of illegal drugs.โ€
    https://ctmirror.org/2015/02/20/op-ed-to-reduce-gun-deaths-focus-on-connecticuts-drug-trade-gang-life/
    Update. Bridgeport now as the highest murder rate in the state.

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  35. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Bill at 2:58 – And that leads us around to the latest Scattershots (no pun intended) concerning society and morality.
    Murder arises in this country mostly from: gang related turf wars, folks that are unable to resolve inter-relational disputes peacefully and nut cases wreaking havoc on society due to an inability to deal with the havoc inside their craniums.
    Hogg-boy’s walkouts have now killed more people than the NRA.
    But the left goes with Hogg-boy.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    SO 530pm
    2.8 million NICS checks in March and most for semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Give Master Hogg a hand for beating DiFi, Hillary and Obama in the salesperson of the century for the National Shooting Sports Federation, the trade group for civilian firearms makers.
    Just wondering, does anyone here have a Ghost Gunner mill they’d like to sell?

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  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    The local ACE Hardware store in the same building with the Ridley’s Market (think SPD circa 1960) just moved their ammo shelf over to the wall from where it was previously open to anyone waiting in line. I asked why the change and was told because they’re going to start selling firearms. A Bi-Mart soon to be opening down the road is known for being as good on prices as the internet. Plenty of guns around here but strangely everyone feels quite safe. Sales at the nearest Dicks apparently is down markedly. Wonder why?
    ‘Ghost Gunner Mill’ – needs to be trade marked. 3D printers soon will only be sold to folks with a Fed firearm license.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 635pm – “only be sold to folks with a Fed firearm license”???? A ubiquitous piece of equipment like that which is changing the world of manufacturing, I don’t think so. Please cite someone who really thinks that will happen.

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  39. scenes Avatar
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    re: GeorgeR@7:08PM
    I expect that certain data files will end up being illegal for both the material removal and material adding machines. After all, they didn’t make pencils illegal although it’s perfectly possible to pick up a felony with the wrong drawing or string of text.

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  40. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    That’s the rub, George – the anti 2nd A folks are already trying to crack down on people having the ability to ‘manufacture guns’. Uh, go to the hardware store and get some steel pipe. Ever heard of zip guns? No – I don’t think it will ever happen, but couple a 3D printer’s ability to spritz out a fire arm and the anti gun mania sweeping our nation and we have a collision of realities. As scenes suggested, maybe they will prohibit certain ‘data files’. Good luck with that! Possibly force the makers of 3D printers to hard code a self-censoring logic to make the printing of a ‘possible’ fire arm out of the question? I’m being a bit facetious, but the left seem to have no limits to their insanity.

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    A gentle reminder – I used to make fun of the notion of ‘knife control’ and ‘assault knives’ that could kill repeatedly without re-sharpening.
    And wadda’ya know!
    It came true!
    So – I have cred here with this topic.
    I’m not totally off base!

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    I love working in the middle of such a group of prescient experts ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  43. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    It’s not a happy sign of the times. I wish that a lot of what I think might come to pass would not.

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar

    STUDY: Most Americans Do Not Favor Companies That Cut Ties With NRA
    http://www.oann.com/study-most-americans-do-not-favor-companies-that-cut-ties-with-nra/

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