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“Over the last fifty years, it’s the Left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.”  Andrew Klavan

George Rebane

Student groups across the land are now forming to protest the ownership and availability of guns in America.  Their tearful yet uninformed emotions will supply more grist for grinding down the Second Amendment in the name of ‘saving the children’.  I don’t want to re-circle the barn on all the arguments that correctly point out that no new gun control law suggested by the Left would have prevented the Parkland massacre.

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I gave my views on a reasonable approach to preventing such shootings in ‘Stopping School Shooters’.  We know it works because it is successfully applied in Israel and at the schools to which the elites send their kids.  However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged, a new term to join ‘neurodiverse’, ‘neurotypical’, ‘neurodivergent’ … introduced by leftwing academicians (more here).

The only thing that I’ve heard which merits discussion and possible immediate implementation are the so-called Red Flag laws.  Five states have these which allow a family member, who is almost always aware of a developing situation, to alert authorities who can then temporarily but immediately remove access to guns by the disturbed individual.  The removal of the guns is not permanent, and their return depends on how the case is subsequently diagnosed and adjudicated.  Bottom line, it is those close to the individual who can nip a developing situation in the bud, and thereby prevent a suicide or a tragic shooting like in Parkland.


California’s crazy and crazier gun laws are Exhibit A in all this, especially as it applies to the constructive prohibition of ‘assault rifles’, specifically the AR-15 variants.  Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals, and that ‘gun violence’ has been decreasing over the last 25 years.  Our state’s continuing path toward confiscation will have as much impact on the Parkland type shootings as its climate change laws have on global warming.

The answer, as most students of the contemporary American scene know, lies in the disintegration of what used to be our common culture.  NY Post columnist Arnold Ahlert collects these thoughts in his ‘It’s the Culture, Not the Guns’.  There he makes the case that “Leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. But their destruction of culture is the culprit.”

In the final analysis, the cost of living free means living with risks.  And removing risks inevitably redeems our liberties, which itself is useful for powering elitist agendas.  Everything has a price, which includes returning to tyrannical autocracies like the many states of the 20th century, today survived by North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, … and now joined by Russia and Venezuela.  The gun control issue, along with several others (e.g. federally funded abortion, free speech, religion and state, …), was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. 

[21feb18 update]  Subsequent to my comment on the role of par force in a free society, the comment stream below took up the thread and expanded on it, but so far without much profit from examining it in a reasonable manner.  I responded with the following which I now post here as a needed update to the above commentary.

Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.

The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

And here is what a reasoned, researched, and referenced response looks like in this debate written by Ignatius Piazza, head of Front Sight, a well-known firearms training firm – Download FrontSight.  The Left is invited to submit their best equivalent – I will post it here.

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456 responses to “Gun Confiscation – again on the march (updated 21feb18)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    “With the exception of certain public officials, all able-bodied men and women over the age of 18 and not currently serving in the regular armed forces, and any former member of the regular armed forces, are by law already members of the “unorganized” militia. Laws requiring militia participation are no longer enforced. With very few restrictions, membership in the militia must be open to all citizens regardless of race, sex, religion or political affiliation. Units not open to public membership and/or which are organized for any purpose other than the support of Constitutional principals may be considered private armies and are not to be confused with the Constitutional “unorganized” militia.”

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar

    The 2nd Amendment explained in one minute, eleven seconds.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx23c84obwQ

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Owww……there’s another blot on CNNs otherwise sterling reputation!

    CNN FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT JAKE TAPPER WAS A FORMER HANDGUN CONTROL, INC. SPOKESMAN DURING LAST NIGHT’S PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING TOWN HALL.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/former-handgun-control-inc-spokesman-jake-tapper-hosts-cnn-parkland-school-shooting-town-hall/

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  4. Walt Avatar

    And Paul was hoping militias were a thing of the past. Nice hope…

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The po’ ol’ fakenewsman @122- What you want to interpret is irrelevant, its the legal interpretation that matters and SCOTUS has spoken. You don’t get to play semantical games when there is an official interpretation that must be used by every court in the land. 😉

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  6. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: Gregory@1:32PM
    lol. I swear to God that PaulE thinks these are novel arguments to make.
    First the “SO YOU THINK YOU GET TO OWN AN ATOM BOMB?” followed by the “SO WHAT’S A MILITIA?”. Fodder for the internet online gun arguments since USENET.
    The funniest thing is that you can solidly win the argument, and still people will go out and start all over on this in a month or two.
    For all I know there’s a genetic angle to this. Take a cheek scraping, and you can tell whether someone believes in law as some combination of statute and history…or should be just whatever in the heck they are feeling like that day. Some federal courts appear to act under this latter model.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Don’t cite gatewaypundit when a stellar left leaning tower has the same quote:

    “Gun-control organizations labeled the speech [Charlton Heston] as that of an extremist and said it would hurt the gun lobby’s cause.
    ”His interpretation of the Second Amendment is unique to him and his organization,” said Jake Tapper, a spokesman for Handgun Control Inc., ”and has never been upheld in court.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/12/us/heston-asserts-gun-ownership-is-nation-s-highest-right.html

    Yes, Jake Tapper, sitting as a “journalist”, was a paid spokescritter for Handgun Control, Inc, reported 21 years ago in the NY Times.

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  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Don’t cite gatewaypundit when a stellar left leaning tower has the same quote:

    “Gun-control organizations labeled the speech [Charlton Heston] as that of an extremist and said it would hurt the gun lobby’s cause.
    ”His interpretation of the Second Amendment is unique to him and his organization,” said Jake Tapper, a spokesman for Handgun Control Inc., ”and has never been upheld in court.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/12/us/heston-asserts-gun-ownership-is-nation-s-highest-right.html

    Yes, Jake Tapper, sitting as a “journalist”, was a paid spokescritter for Handgun Control, Inc, reported 21 years ago in the NY Times.

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Sorry about the select fire keyboard I’ve got; it’s dirty. I guess the keyboard needs to be pulled and soaked in Hoppe’s #9.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    It’s OK.. I’m sure you have a permit.

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  11. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: Fish@1:39PM and Handgun Control Inc.
    Brady Campaign?
    To be fair, that’s a pretty small organization. I expect that it’s main purpose, like most smaller non-‘profits’, is to pay the employees.
    My best guess is that any real money here is from organizations like ShariaBlue. It’s a slow motion coup d’etat using any means necessary.
    One funny side effect of the ongoing civil war is that we have the most highly vetted administration in US history. Who’da thunk? Just imagine the same amount of oppositions research applied to the Johnson administration.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Various interpretations is why we have courts. The CO State Court ruled against the baker who would not create a special cake for a gay couple. The 1st Amendment right of expression that was required in creating a special cake (not one sitting in the glass case for any member of the public could buy) was rejected.
    The CA State Court had a similar case quite recently with the same arguments before the court. The CA judge ruled in favor of the cake maker, accepting the 1st Amendment agrument that creating or not creating a special cake was indeed a form of expression protected under the 1st Amendment.
    Now the case is headed to SCOTUS. SCOTUS is more likely to accept cases where one judge rules one way and another judge rules another.
    Interesting side note is that our founders did not believe that SCOTUS was the final say in the matter. Forget exactly which writer I read (Madison?) which laid out the consensus view that the final say rested with “we the people.”
    Carry on.

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scenes | 22 February 2018 at 02:01 PM
    Yeah my offering was filched from Instapundit…..the Brady Campaign vs HCI angle wasn’t really my interest! Just enjoying watching another slow motion CNN PR train wreck!
    Hey…..anybody see Punch? I think he was out hammering together his interpretation of the 2nd amendment!

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Keep it up team lefty and the po’ ol’ putin party parrot in particular –
    http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/22/cnns-insane-anti-gun-townhall-will-help-nra/
    😉

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scenes 201pm
    The amount Jake Tapper was paid to support the Handgun Control, Inc/Brady Center line isn’t the point, it’s that his current employer, CNN, is letting him direct news stories against the NRA as if he were a journalist without a documented crippling bias against the NRA.
    I dropped my membership in the NRA sometime in the ’80’s over their refusal to mention the gun rights positions by, for example, Libertarian Party candidates who tended to put GOP candidates to shame on constitutional grounds. It pains me to say that the latest targeting of the NRA almost makes me want to send them a few bucks for a membership just as I’m fairly free of their junk mail.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Yup, Paul’s little “militia” drama came back to bite. Put some ice on it Paul,
    the swelling will go down soon.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Glad you support the Courts Don and that you support Roe v Wade that allows abortions. See we can agree on something.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    See Paul? I’m already a member of the state militia.( by statute) So are a few others here.
    Scared yet?

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  19. Walt Avatar

    I’ apologize for the off topic. But blame it on Paul. He forced the issue.
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/22/new-york-american-taliban-forbes/
    “New York’s attorney general oversaw and facilitated secret surveillance on pro-life counselors outside an abortion clinic as well as the creation of a fake identity in an attempt to win an ongoing case, according to a witness’s testimony.”
    “I’m appalled at the Attorney General’s lack of respect for the First Amendment and his offices’ encouragement and use of fraudulent means to obtain information so that he can persecute peaceful pro-life citizens who have become the voice of the voiceless,” TMLC president Richard Thompson said.
    LIBS don’t give a shit about “rights”.

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Emery?
    Emery?
    Emery?
    Emery?
    Do let us know when you’ve plowed through the Eugene Volokh piece, The Commonplace 2nd Amendment, and are ready to join in a reasoned discussion in answer to your question.
    www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Do we get to hear your 2nd amendment interpretation at any point in the discussion?

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Scenes and like minded. My take:
    The Democrats have been bankrupt lately in the realm of ideas. They just react, saying if the tax bill passes, we all are going to die. I haven’t died yet, but back to the point. No ideas, no proposals, anything and everything is just a big fat No to Trump. Resist everything. That’s their whole ball of wax, and if you disagree you are a racist Nazi…As if there are any other kinds of Nazis.
    The Russian Collusion has vanished like a morning mist being burned off by the sun. They put all their eggs in that basket and much political capital. Sitting on their duffs during the SOTUA backfired as it was a good speech. Refusing to stand for those who lost their children due to murder by illegal aliens showed how bankrupt the Lefties are. The tax cuts have gone from unpopular to popular. The economy has shown more than just a few of Obama’s “green sprouts”. Trump as of yesterday has higher favorable ratings than Obama had on comparable dates. The majority of the American people want the government to get a handle on chaotic illegal immigration and have a good orderly immigration policy put in place. Things are not looking up for the Democrat Party, which is suffering from everything from financial problems to far left extremists pushing the party to a place where they remain out of touch and out of the mainstream and all points in between. Their leaders have been lampooned cartoon characters . Their Politics of Identity eviscerates the indivual and assigns all individuals to mere members of a group. The antithesis of the US Constitution.
    Remember the last time da Dems had an issue they could forge full steam ahead on? I do. It was the catered sit in on the House floor. Stop the gun violence! They were taking the bull by the horns. Finally, after all these months, they have an issue again. Hallelujah. There are going to be marches for life…er….they will have Marches for Life Without the Pro-lLifers, rallies, money pouring in, and retake the Senate, House,and Oval Office and life will be good once again.
    In another weekly so when this all dies down as it always does, they will parade women in front of the cameras again whom Trump grabbed their paulsies or kissed in a lobby. That will suck up all the oxygen in the room for a ten days as the DACA deadline approaches.. Then it will be back to Russia and Meuller and obstruction of justice and that greaser Kushner and equally horrid greaser Do. Jr. or that Slovakian Slut First Lady. Then suddenly DACA, DACA, DACA, and White Supremacist tweets.
    Confiscate guns? Nah, just the mob mentality running around crazier than Nicholas Cruz ever could be.
    Get ready for the parade of fine looking women Trump copped a feel on their unsuspecting selves, accompanied by high priced lawyers and the complicity colluding popinjays. I must say Trump don’t grope no dogs, not coyote uglies, nor even nice but Plain Jane looking types like Bubba did.
    Now back to the important stuff.
    https://www.facebook.com/DCStatesman/photos/a.518173591711519.1073741828.511928619002683/800712163457659/?type=3&theater

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    phish 104pm
    To whom is your question posed?

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  24. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    I take everyones’ point on Brady/Handgun Control, although it’s amusing to think of any modern journalist as being a ‘journalist’. At this point, they’ve mostly been flushed out. It was a scam from the get-go.
    re: BillT@3:09PM
    “That’s their whole ball of wax, and if you disagree you are a racist Nazi…As if there are any other kinds of Nazis.”
    The amusing thing about the ‘Resistance’ is that they began by resisting something that was mostly in their minds. But…but…I’d say that they are on their way to creating the opposition that they feared. Not a ‘Nazi’, that’s a thing that erupted in a particular place and time, but something else that they aren’t going to like. A more muscular Right if you like. The world runs on unintended consequences after all.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You;re stuttering Gregory Pause and take a breath

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    well Fish we do agree on some things like raising the age for purchasing certain firearms as proposed by Trump.. That’s a start.

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “You;re”, Paul?
    C’mon, Paul, you were trying to get “well regulated militia” to be judged out of context. I have you a document that put it into context.
    Have you read it and can you discuss the issue… or are you just going to throw wild punches?

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 22 February 2018 at 03:18 PM
    To whom is your question posed?

    The eminent legal scholar Mr. Emery.
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 03:24 PM
    well Fish we do agree on some things like raising the age for purchasing certain firearms as proposed by Trump.. That’s a start.

    So upthread you really had nothing….no interpretation of any kind except for the vague Rainbow Skittle Shitting Unicorn hope that this would never happen again?

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Our cops need more range time.
    https://www.theunion.com/trending/breaking-nevada-county-deputies-involved-in-shooting-burglary-suspect-in-custody-sheriff-says/
    The vermin is still breathing, and now we have to pay his medical costs.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Gregory @ 2:23 pm
    I sent the NRA some bucks, but told them I was not interested in membership, foolishly thinking I would not receive junk mail. I thunk wrong. Finally, I got on their site and I unenrolled myself from their mailing list. I don’t like junk mail, but I do support the 2nd Amendment. That was during the Obama weaponizing the IRS years. After communicating with Tea Party organizers in several states far from here and having them tell me that everyone on their lists were getting audited, I figured it might be a smart move to remove myself from any pro-Constitution sites, including the NRA. Big Bro was getting rather nasty under Obama, tapping journalists and even Di-Wi’s phone cause she was on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
    Yep, I might send them a few bucks more and have the junk mail sent to a P.O. box in a place and time far away. Or send a money order with no return address. 🙂
    One thing we know for sure is that the Popinjay and his brethren have not come up with one idea that will protect our children inside a school.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar

    One more for the road.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1263256153808419/?type=3&theater
    Desperate times call for sensible measures. Focus on the killer, not the weapon.
    Zeldin argued, “From the vicious machete attack of four young men in Central Islip, to the childhood best friends brutally murdered by MS-13 in Brentwood, our community has witnessed the indiscriminate brutality of gang violence firsthand.”
    In February, United States Center for Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Lee Francis Cissna explained to President Donald Trump how current immigration laws prevent the agency from deporting foreign-born MS-13 gang members.
    Cissna explained to President Trump:
    …There are no grounds in the law right now that permit us to deport a gang member merely because he’s a gang member. We have to wait until they’ve actually killed somebody or harmed an American. Then we have a reason to deport them; then we can get them. Or if they’re here unlawfully, okay. But if they’re here lawfully, and they’re a gang member, there’s no ground of removal, really.
    Zeldin argued, “From the vicious machete attack of four young men in Central Islip, to the childhood best friends brutally murdered by MS-13 in Brentwood, our community has witnessed the indiscriminate brutality of gang violence firsthand.”
    In February, United States Center for Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Lee Francis Cissna explained to President Donald Trump how current immigration laws prevent the agency from deporting foreign-born MS-13 gang members.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/21/rep-lee-zeldin-introduces-bill-to-strip-immigrant-gang-members-citizenship/

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Geeze louise
    http://abc13.com/sheriff-school-resource-deputy-never-went-in-to-confront-shooter/3125942/
    this is the @AP twit feed:
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/966802599268798465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
    Yes, it does appear the guy paid to be the good guy with the gun decided to ignore the screams. He instead decided to resign and take his retirement checks… I wonder where he’ll be moving so he doesn’t get spat upon by former friends and neighbors?
    For everyone who thinks the police are there to protect and to serve… think again. Not all of them do.

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  33. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    To be fair Gregory, not all school resource officers are equivalent to cops on the beat. That he could play the retirement card says he was an old dude who may have never pulled his gun. Sad, somehow I think he will be forever burdened with the guilty what if….. and I wouldn’t be surprised if we later hear about a suicide. 😉

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Gregory, Fish what does “well regulated militia” mean as compared to an “unregulated” militia which would be unconstitutional? I need some help here,

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  35. Walt Avatar

    First the FBI drops the ball in an epic way, then this guy leaves them to their doom.
    And we are to rely on others to keep us safe?(and not by choice)
    How many other places have Barney Fife Security LLC?

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  36. Walt Avatar

    I gave you that info Paul. Read it.

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I need some help here @ 634. Clearly he misses the irony of no more truer words he has written. 😉

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt, Don, Fish, Gregory
    didn’t see a definition or “regulated militia as opposed to unregulated militia. Would the Black Panthers be co considered a regulated Militia for example. Does that mean we can have private armies or are Militias meant to be State Militias. I need some help understanding this. thanks in advance.
    Perhaps George can chime in on this important understanding of our Constitution.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    sp…..of Regulated Militias

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  40. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    What a maroon! Please see @707, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. 😉

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks Don I did
    Do the Black Panthers qualify as a militia under the 2nd amendment? Let me know.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Try domestic terrorists Paul.
    But only you could make that leap.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The Panthers were protecting their neighborhoods Walt.
    “The Panthers’ basic ideology was one of armed protection against police oppression: “The key plank of the Panther platform, the one which would shape its history and predetermine its course, was a non-negotiable demand for the immediate end of police harassment and brutality in the black community…indeed, their very name proclaimed a dedication to the concept of armed self-defense.”

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, you write:
    “But repressive governments all know that the if news of one such act of ongoing resistance spreads among an aggrieved AND armed populace, the government with its military and police will be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of those who will rush to man the local barricades and take to the hills as militias and guerrilla bands. And autocratic governments know and fear that all these resisting civilians will be ‘fish swimming in a nurturing and supportive sea’ (per Chairman Mao), while the government’s units will quickly become the targets of released hatred formerly repressed.”
    Isn’t this what the Black Panthers were attempting to do and was that not in the spirit of the 2nd Amendment you praise?
    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug01/barillari/pantherchap1.html

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    Oh yeah….protecting the neighborhood!

    Seale is now apparently ungagging himself about the Panther past. In a recent speech at a Panther reunion, he confessed that the Panthers were little more than extortionists, gangsters and murderers and that they killed Betty Van Patter — whose murder remains unsolved till this day.

    Oh Punchy…..in addition to everything else you fell for ”Radical Chic” too?
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/b.marfeel.com/amp/historynewsnetwork.org/article/695
    You can also read David Horowitz about his time with the Panthers!

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  46. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Has the po’ ol’ fakenewsman abandoned his superhero alternate guise as a ptuin party parrot to wear the cloak of BLM? 😉

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Huh Don??? Don’t have a clue of what you. Are you referring to the Bureau of Land Management if not what?

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