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“Over the last fifty years, it’s the Left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.”  Andrew Klavan

George Rebane

Student groups across the land are now forming to protest the ownership and availability of guns in America.  Their tearful yet uninformed emotions will supply more grist for grinding down the Second Amendment in the name of ‘saving the children’.  I don’t want to re-circle the barn on all the arguments that correctly point out that no new gun control law suggested by the Left would have prevented the Parkland massacre.

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I gave my views on a reasonable approach to preventing such shootings in ‘Stopping School Shooters’.  We know it works because it is successfully applied in Israel and at the schools to which the elites send their kids.  However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged, a new term to join ‘neurodiverse’, ‘neurotypical’, ‘neurodivergent’ … introduced by leftwing academicians (more here).

The only thing that I’ve heard which merits discussion and possible immediate implementation are the so-called Red Flag laws.  Five states have these which allow a family member, who is almost always aware of a developing situation, to alert authorities who can then temporarily but immediately remove access to guns by the disturbed individual.  The removal of the guns is not permanent, and their return depends on how the case is subsequently diagnosed and adjudicated.  Bottom line, it is those close to the individual who can nip a developing situation in the bud, and thereby prevent a suicide or a tragic shooting like in Parkland.


California’s crazy and crazier gun laws are Exhibit A in all this, especially as it applies to the constructive prohibition of ‘assault rifles’, specifically the AR-15 variants.  Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals, and that ‘gun violence’ has been decreasing over the last 25 years.  Our state’s continuing path toward confiscation will have as much impact on the Parkland type shootings as its climate change laws have on global warming.

The answer, as most students of the contemporary American scene know, lies in the disintegration of what used to be our common culture.  NY Post columnist Arnold Ahlert collects these thoughts in his ‘It’s the Culture, Not the Guns’.  There he makes the case that “Leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. But their destruction of culture is the culprit.”

In the final analysis, the cost of living free means living with risks.  And removing risks inevitably redeems our liberties, which itself is useful for powering elitist agendas.  Everything has a price, which includes returning to tyrannical autocracies like the many states of the 20th century, today survived by North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, … and now joined by Russia and Venezuela.  The gun control issue, along with several others (e.g. federally funded abortion, free speech, religion and state, …), was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. 

[21feb18 update]  Subsequent to my comment on the role of par force in a free society, the comment stream below took up the thread and expanded on it, but so far without much profit from examining it in a reasonable manner.  I responded with the following which I now post here as a needed update to the above commentary.

Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.

The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

And here is what a reasoned, researched, and referenced response looks like in this debate written by Ignatius Piazza, head of Front Sight, a well-known firearms training firm – Download FrontSight.  The Left is invited to submit their best equivalent – I will post it here.

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456 responses to “Gun Confiscation – again on the march (updated 21feb18)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    Go ahead and call me what you like.
    The kid that was just “speaking” at the W.H. put on a good show. Snivels and all.. But not a tear in his eye.
    Too staged for me.

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  2. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    …hah, that didn’t take too long (incarceration vs. homicide).
    http://sarahwestall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Crime_Trends.001.jpg
    A person just glancing at that would say that we need more jails.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Meanwhile……

    jeffpelline says:
    February 21, 2018 at 11:09 am
    Thank you Dennis! This is what I was hoping for: generations marching together. I don’t hold out much hope for the local demographic of George Rebane and his friends.
    Reply

    How many feet are you planning on marching?! Will there be paramedics standing by?

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Front Sight – Check out what the founder of a well-known firearms training firm writes about gun control in the 21feb18 update above. Do your best to focus on the message and the verifiable data presented, not that the messenger is in the firearms training industry who operates a much lauded operation that is used by law enforcement and other government agencies to train their personnel.

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 February 2018 at 12:04 PM
    My idea is a good start. It involves serious screening and training for those in possession of certain types of guns and confiscation and reimbursement of guns from those that don’t qualify. those retaining those guns would have serious retributions if discovered. I say do this first and see if it helps.

    I’m a little surprised that “PLAN – Green Libertarian™” hasn’t been torn to shreds yet by some of the sharper readers who frequent? What does Mr. States rights plan to do when an East German (California) regulatory state is adjacent to a much milder guns rights regime (Nevada)?
    The opportunity for arbitrage will be overwhelming!
    Are we planning on crying to the Feds when you fail?

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  6. Walt Avatar

    I see Paul clinched up tight like a stear’s rear in fly season when a survivor, now a politician, wants teachers armed, yet not demanding banning guns..
    Tough day Paul?

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 21 February 2018 at 02:15 PM
    Tough day Paul?

    Nahh! Any day Punch gets to publicly demonstrate he’s a “Goodthinker” is a good day!

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Perhaps some soothing music to continue this heated discussion on gun control. May not help, but it can’t hurt.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x20TMRnPR40

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    ….and right on cue!

    Bump Stock’ Prices Spike After Trump’s Ban Plan

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-21/bump-stock-prices-spike-after-trumps-ban-plan

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Thar be virtue signaling at Pelline’s Place.
    That reminds me… does Pelline’s business declare itself to be a gun-free zone? What about Frisch’s wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council? I’ve asked before and neither would fess up.
    I mean, how could anyone visit those businesses unless they knew if there were guns on the premises?

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  11. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 21 February 2018 at 02:46 PM
    “Thar be virtue signaling at Pelline’s Place.”

    Really!? If only you could see my “shocked face”!

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    I guess this guy answered “yes” to all of Punchys questions yesterday….

    AR-15, Grenades, Tactical Vest Found At Home Of Teen Who Took Gun To Maryland High School

    C4…? Grenades….? Land mines……? Those should be illegal! 😀
    The convenience stores must be so much better In Maryland!

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  13. Walt Avatar

    After Paul painted himself into a corner with geezerish posts, he must be waiting for the paint to dry to try and slither out.

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  14. Walt Avatar

    OK ,, Here is a grieving Father.
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/21/trump-supporting-father-speech-white-house/
    If Paul actually can read and comprehend,
    he will notice that the Father didn’t say anything about banning guns.
    What does he say should be done?
    Can Paul figure it out?

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    My son was born the year Patrick Purdy shot up his former elementary school in Stockton, California. He killed five kids and wounded a bunch more with a civilian semiauto AK. That was 1989.
    In 1990, as a result, Joe Biden introduced the Gun-Free School Zones Act, and it was subsequently signed into law by George H.W. Bush. A follow-up law that fixed a bunch of inadequacies (the rest of the Constitution made enforcement iffy), the Gun-Free Zones Act of 1995 was co-authored by Senator DiFi and signed into law by Bill Clinton.
    Also signed into law as a result of the Stockton school shooting was DiFi’s Assault Weapons Ban, in 1994. It was allowed to expire in 2004 when it was obvious it was a do-nothing law.
    Now, we have real gun free zones for mostly old mostly white mostly men in Muu-Muus at county courthouses coast to coast, and pretend gun-free zones applying to schools.
    And we have kids shooting up schools.
    Please, Paul & fellow antigun travelers, explain why schools have become so much more dangerous since the problem was solved by Smilin’ Joe Biden in 1990 (29 years ago) and Senator DiFi in 1995?
    Now, let’s gloss over the fact that the average number of kids shot dead per school per year is something less than 0.0000.

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Perhaps the left wing teachers are worried about conservative teachers being the ones who are willing to pack heat @521. 😉

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    No Don, I’m pretty sure Sheriffs have always had the right to carry a firearm on school properties. That was a policy change of the Broward County sheriff’s department.

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Lost in all the hoo-ha about AR15s is the fact that those products are like Model Ts back in the day. There were so many around because they were reliable enough, filled a need and were massed produced at a low cost. If you had magically gotten rid of the Model Ts there were all sorts of other types of cars available. I can think of dozens of different types of fire arms that would be useful if you had evil intent at a school. And that’s just fire arms. Plenty of other ways to do the job. One guy used a Cadillac at a pre-school in Stockton. So – IF you are interested in protecting kids then get them guarded now. If what you are after is just getting rid of AR15s then just admit the boo hoo over school kids is theater leading to a draconian anti 2nd A type of court ruling that will be ignored by most every owner I can think of. The sheriffs of America have made it plain they have no interest in going door to door getting shot trying to confiscate fire arms. And there are probably a million AR type fire arms out there the authorities don’t even know about. In this state you can legally make your own AR with no number on the receiver and no registration. You want to reduce the number of AR type weapons? You might get it down by .1 or .2 percent at best. The Dems and anti-gun squawkers are painting themselves into a nasty little un-Constitutional box. When the Dems were in power they did nothing. Hollering for the Rs to pass what they wouldn’t is just cowardly posturing.

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  19. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: DonB@5:29PM
    No problemo.
    That professor in North Carolina that threatened the Challenger driver previous to his crashing through the crowd has an armed Antifa group. Just hire them.
    https://www.capitalgrio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/redneck-revolt-and-the-hard-lefts-call-to-arms.jpg

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Thanks to our Second Amendment, the United States has fewer mass shootings per capita than many other developed countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium and the Czech Republic. (And 98 percent of our mass shootings occur in “gun-free zones.”)
    But imagine if we could cut our mass shootings in half?
    There have been about 34 mass shootings since 2000. Forty-seven percent — 16 — were committed by first- and second-generation immigrants, i.e. people who never would have been here but for Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/21/ann-coulter-amazing-new-breakthrough-reduce-mass-shootings/
    😉

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    re DonB 529pm – I took Mr Bessee’s comment to mean that once the school district becomes used to LE guns on campus, then soon thereafter will come lower cost solutions allowing trained volunteers and teachers to start carrying. That will change the whole gun control narrative which must not be allowed.

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    On point Dr.R @ 628.

    This is one of the ACLU issues I have previously referred to, not the only one but one that would not be too hard to immediately amend to rise the status of safety for others.
    “You can’t just kick kids out of the public schools because you are afraid of them, or because they are hard to educate,” said Stephanie Langer, a Miami special education lawyer and advocate. “It has to be a balance, and I think it’s a really hard one.”
    Since the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1973, the first law that articulated a federal role in enforcing the rights of disabled people, the laws surrounding the education of children with special needs have evolved. In general, school districts are required to provide kids with physical, emotional or intellectual disabilities a free education in the “least restrictive” setting, and to accommodate the needs of such students.
    Defining the word “accommodate” has kept judges busy for decades.
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article201216104.html
    😉

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  23. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Astroturf? –
    Clooney, Oprah and Spielberg each donated a half mill. to fund the ‘spontaneous’ DC march and then there is this-
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/george-clooneys-publicist-set-media-interviews-parkland-shooting-kids/
    😉

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Good update, Dr. Rebane. Just like clockwork, the Empire strikes back. Makes it easier on shrinks, the healthcare system, and they do work for many….adults.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/02/21/drugs-do-work-anti-depressants-should-given-million-britons/
    Anything in the article about minors? Anything in the above article about the 1in a 100,000 minors that have severe reactions to psychotic drugs (guesstimate from darn near 20 years ago). The typical poster boy on Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors I once did some research on was thus: High school student. San Diego. Quiet yet friendly, quarterback of the football team. No trouble in class or after school.
    Concerned parent noticed the teenager was becoming depressed, too quiet, no longer laughing, appeared sad, withdrawn. Two weeks after being placed on anti-depressants, he stabbed his grandmother 83 times as she laid sleeping in bed. Not an uncommon story. Two weeks after initiating anti-depressants was flip out time….the common denominator of my research many moons ago. The psychotic drugs were never tested of minors back then, nor did the FDA recommend the drugs for anyone other than adults. Bet not much has changed, but I could be wrong.

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  25. Mary Wanna Avatar

    George R – Using the Bundy Ranch standoff as an example of par force is a false equivalence. The Bundy believers had no par force with the federal government troops who have unlimited firepower.
    Bundy Ranch protester’s display of firepower was an impotent display of attention seeking redneck bluster.
    You could say the same thing about the Dakota pipeline protests. Someone had a handgun, oh my, and fired some rounds. Is that what you call par force? Someone also had a molotov cocktail.
    By and large, it was the willingness of the protesters to tough it out and maintain their ground at both Bundy Ranch and Dakota pipeline standoffs in order to gain attention that made the difference, not the size or number of pea shooters that were on hand.
    Par force is why we had a nuclear arms race. How’s that working for us? Not that well in my opinion. Now every crackpot nation wants nukes. Happy now?

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Marginalize the Bundy standoff all you like. The only person your going to convince is yourself. Have fun.
    Gov. overstepped its bounds, and the people acted. Who backed off Mary? Who stood their ground?
    Try that with the next dope grow raid.
    Fellow dopers going to slide on in for the beat down?

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  27. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The MAD doctrine worked just fine right up to the Clinton admins weakening and then it was slaughtered on the altar of the man god 0. 😉

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Mary Wanna @ 8:13 pm penned:
    “By and large, it was the willingness of the protesters to tough it out and maintain their ground at both Bundy Ranch and Dakota pipeline standoffs in order to gain attention that made the difference, not the size or number of pea shooters that were on hand.”
    On contraire, young lassie Mary. The difference is one standing tall for and living their beliefs, and the other living a life of duplicy. Big diffence. Both Bundy and Dakota pipeline protesters were an open book.
    Other differences are the generous number of guns that the Bundy resistance displayed as opposed to the measly firearm showing by the granola heads. But perhaps the biggest difference is the Bundy camp won and the Dakota camp lost…..
    “Ridiculous,” said Jesse Wald of Bismarck on Facebook. “And these people supposedly cared for the environment.”
    Added Cindy Lampi of West Fargo: “So they don’t really care about the water … if they did, they would have cared about what all that trash would do to the river!”
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/dakota-access-protest-camp-crews-haul-48-million-p/
    Need I remind you, by dearest Mary, Mary, quite contrary, that “what you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.” Carry the message, not the mess.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I am deeply moved by the passionate and intelligent words from the schoolmates of the 17 needlessly slaughtered students and teachers in a public School last week. Makes me have hope for America.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    MaryW 813pm – It is clear that the entire concept of par force is beyond you Ms Wanna. You have literally not understood a single word about the concept which proved itself brilliantly in the Bundy standoff. The country was alerted, and the feds realized they were overplaying their hand and backed off. The entire BLM land use policies are now under review, instead of unquestioned autocratic enforcement of unconstitutional control of lands that should have been remanded to state control over a century ago.
    PaulE 931pm – And if policy is made to satisfy the emotional outpourings of overwrought adolescents, then hope for the country fades for me and perhaps a few others. A sign of their ignorance was demonstrating on the wrong end of Pennsylvania Avenue – the President does not make laws. However, President Trump did the right thing to invite the aggrieved to the WH and listen to the many voices that ranged from reasonable counsel to expressions of still unresolved emotions.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Michael P. Wanna 813
    While I don’t subscribe to “par force” as a central 2nd Amendment issue, the Bundy standoff was a good example of it… there wasn’t much chance of the Feds on site wanting to have a bloodbath to explain away. Dead civilians, dead Feds and a renewed focus on what was underlying the ruining of Bundy’s ranch as a business.
    There really wasn’t a possibility of a napalm strike against an armada of Winnebagos. Too many bits of crispy bitter clingers to clean up on national TV, not to mention the issues of the military not being in the business of killing US citizens they very possibly agree with.
    Paul 931
    George Clooney’s publicist has apparently been handling the kids. PR professionals at work.
    The kids make errors of fact and interpretation, over and over. The mix of raw emotion and flawed history won’t sustain them to any major reforms of what guns citizens can own and carry.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “the slaughter of 17 children at a public school sure sounds like the dark ages to me.
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 February 2018 at 10:45 AM”
    It finally struck me … Paul singling out public schoolchildren… there haven’t been any private school shootings,, have there?

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It was scripted by CNN, not the victim’s words:
    “Shooting Survivor: CNN Gave Me “Scripted Question” After Denying Question About Armed Guards”
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    do you believe 18 year olds should be able to purchase assault rifles?

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    more… similar to the kind used in the Florida shootings

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Paul. You still haven’t said just which states allow minors to buy automatic weapons as you claimed yesterday.
    But I doubt you have a problem with 18 year olds buying dope.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    Don’t support 18 year olds buying cannabis and neither did Prop 64
    Do you believe 18 year olds should be able to buy assault rifles similar to the one used in Florida? Yes or no.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Can an 18 year old vote?
    Can an 18 year old be sent to war to kill or be killed? ( but can’t drink a drop of beer)
    Doesn’t the 2ND Amendment apply to them either?
    Are 8 year olds not considered adults in a court of law?
    Yes Paul, they have the right to buy long guns. Deal with it.
    In my book, you should not be allowed to drive at your age. Your reflexes and eye sight are compromised.

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee
  40. Walt Avatar

    Now answer up Paul,, just which state can an 18 year old buy an automatic weapon?
    I know.. You can’t. You make that BS up and you know it. That’s called a LIE.

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    More shocked face………

    CNN denies ‘town hall’ scripted…

    Then again….

    Network long history of allowing plants…

    https://nypost.com/2016/01/06/cnns-long-history-of-allowing-democratic-town-hall-plants/

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Didn’t say automatic rifle Fish. Sorry you’re having a problem reading. Here is the question again for your convenience.
    “Do you believe 18 year olds should be able to buy assault rifles similar to the one used in Florida? Yes or no. ”
    Thanks for answering my question Walt. Just confirming that you believe 8 year olds should be able to buy rifles similar to the one used in Florida.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    Gotta amend my comment.
    Only 18 ear olds that decide to vote Liberal should be barred from buying scary looking rifles.

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 09:43 AM
    Didn’t say automatic rifle Fish. Sorry you’re having a problem reading.

    WOW! Walt is right you don’t belong behind the wheel…..or outside without adult supervision!

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy
    That wasn’t an assault rifle. Assault rifles are fully automatic, select fire guns.
    I know we’ve gone over this before.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Paul’s words from just 24 hours ago.
    “Some states allow teenagers to possess automatic assault weapons then those who live in those states would assume responsibility for what may happen to their children.”
    Turn in your keys Paul.

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