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“Over the last fifty years, it’s the Left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.”  Andrew Klavan

George Rebane

Student groups across the land are now forming to protest the ownership and availability of guns in America.  Their tearful yet uninformed emotions will supply more grist for grinding down the Second Amendment in the name of ‘saving the children’.  I don’t want to re-circle the barn on all the arguments that correctly point out that no new gun control law suggested by the Left would have prevented the Parkland massacre.

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I gave my views on a reasonable approach to preventing such shootings in ‘Stopping School Shooters’.  We know it works because it is successfully applied in Israel and at the schools to which the elites send their kids.  However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged, a new term to join ‘neurodiverse’, ‘neurotypical’, ‘neurodivergent’ … introduced by leftwing academicians (more here).

The only thing that I’ve heard which merits discussion and possible immediate implementation are the so-called Red Flag laws.  Five states have these which allow a family member, who is almost always aware of a developing situation, to alert authorities who can then temporarily but immediately remove access to guns by the disturbed individual.  The removal of the guns is not permanent, and their return depends on how the case is subsequently diagnosed and adjudicated.  Bottom line, it is those close to the individual who can nip a developing situation in the bud, and thereby prevent a suicide or a tragic shooting like in Parkland.


California’s crazy and crazier gun laws are Exhibit A in all this, especially as it applies to the constructive prohibition of ‘assault rifles’, specifically the AR-15 variants.  Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals, and that ‘gun violence’ has been decreasing over the last 25 years.  Our state’s continuing path toward confiscation will have as much impact on the Parkland type shootings as its climate change laws have on global warming.

The answer, as most students of the contemporary American scene know, lies in the disintegration of what used to be our common culture.  NY Post columnist Arnold Ahlert collects these thoughts in his ‘It’s the Culture, Not the Guns’.  There he makes the case that “Leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. But their destruction of culture is the culprit.”

In the final analysis, the cost of living free means living with risks.  And removing risks inevitably redeems our liberties, which itself is useful for powering elitist agendas.  Everything has a price, which includes returning to tyrannical autocracies like the many states of the 20th century, today survived by North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, … and now joined by Russia and Venezuela.  The gun control issue, along with several others (e.g. federally funded abortion, free speech, religion and state, …), was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. 

[21feb18 update]  Subsequent to my comment on the role of par force in a free society, the comment stream below took up the thread and expanded on it, but so far without much profit from examining it in a reasonable manner.  I responded with the following which I now post here as a needed update to the above commentary.

Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.

The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

And here is what a reasoned, researched, and referenced response looks like in this debate written by Ignatius Piazza, head of Front Sight, a well-known firearms training firm – Download FrontSight.  The Left is invited to submit their best equivalent – I will post it here.

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456 responses to “Gun Confiscation – again on the march (updated 21feb18)”

  1. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Back to being a po’ ol’ putin party parrot ass @ 748.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Simple question Don. If you believe in par force as does our host do you believe in the right to own a private tank?

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Even the ex partner of Bill Gates has some tanks. I saw them in Seattle. So tanks are so cool!

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  4. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    Here’s one I hadn’t seen. AA gun for sale
    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/748241683

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    How about Rocket launchers Todd?

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  6. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The po’ol putin party parrots ignorance of the law makes any conversation from his end no different than a 6 year olds. I am highly confident that the pony tail of ignorance has no clue that you can have a tank and what those rules look like. 😉

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Dr. Rebane penned:
    “Almost half of Americans have come to believe that in a civilized world the state should be the only agency to possess and wield deadly force”
    Yep, I once saw a movie where the only ones who had guns were the police and the army. Think it was called Schindler’s List.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1003598483123707/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1003594713124084/?type=3&theater
    Tanks? Abrams M1A2 or Challenger 2 or Merkava Mk.4 or IT-90MS??? Decisions, decisions. Tanks, tanks a rock, y’all.

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    How about private armies Bill

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Joy Reid was right! She said “Nobody that doesn’t watch Fox News has ever heard of MS-13.” What a knucklehead. Good thing I don’t drink out of the MSBNC toilet. If I did, I would be just another clueless Popinjay.
    “President Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions have made combatting the organization a top focus for the administration. Sessions, under a directive from an executive order signed in February 2017 by Trump, instructed law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors throughout the U.S. to prioritize MS-13 members’ prosecution”
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/ms-13-gang-member-sentenced-to-99-years-in-jail-after-brutally-killing-man-officials-say.html

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar

    How about private parts, Punchy.
    Well, with the new sleeveless fashion in vogue, I reckon it’s the women folks’ displaying their right to bare arms.
    Lack of self-awareness: “We cannot tolerate a society and live in a country with pride when our babies are being slaughtered.” —Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Abortion Supporter)
    The Double Whooper with Cheese: “We have to end the absurdity of the gun show loophole. Forty percent of the guns in this country are sold without any background checks.” —Sen. Bernie Sanders
    Drinking out of the toilet: “Media most days: We should wait until young people’s brains fully develop — around age 25 — before criminal justice system treats them like adults. They aren’t responsible. But when kids say what MSM wants to hear on guns: LOWER VOTING AGE! BECAUSE SO MUCH WISDOM!” —Jonah Goldberg
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155432018250914/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155432012590914/?type=3&theater

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  11. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “So that includes hand grenades, rocket launchers, tactical nukes on and on and on. Where does it end? Neighborhood tanks, Drone Bombers, personal fighter jets. How about private armies and hired mercenaries. Is that what Par Force means? Where does it end George? ”
    Paul is losing it, big time.
    They’re coming for you, Paul! Lions and Tigers and Bears – Oh my!

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Oh where does it ever end? The 2nd Amendment makes the USA unique among all nations with the personal right to bear arms….to defend my country against my government.
    Do I need another gun? Do I really need a big bad banana mag? Do I really need an AR-15? Can’t I be happy with my old single shot bolt action 22 rifle that’s about 80 years old?
    Yo dummies, it’s called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs. Caprice?
    The USA is the country country that put a Telsa in space and the only country where folks eat Tide Pods. Hmmmm. They eat Tide Pods and want to confiscate guns. Perhaps a tank is not such a bad idea, after taking off the tracks, adding some rubber, get it smogged, and being all street legal, of course. Assuming the military stays out it and refrains from domestic interference, I think we should have whatever the CA National Guard has if, heaven forbid, we the people have exhausted all other options peaceful options. They even foresaw par force in the Constitution.
    The shot heard around the world in 1775 happened because the British headed out to confiscate we the people’s ammo. Clinging to our guns and Bibles. Obama was spot on.

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  13. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: DonB@9:49PM
    Take a closer look at some of the pics. There was a big push on 4chan yesterday to take pictures of a disassembled rifle, stick a hacksaw or hammer next to it, post it on that guy’s silly Twitter stream.

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  14. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: BillT @ 11:14PM
    Well, jeez. Every time somebody tries to put together a ‘well-regulated’ (ie. trained) militia, the Green Libertarians freak out about white guys in camo running around the woods.
    Ya can’t win in this world.

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  15. Mary Wanna Avatar

    SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
    Syllabus
    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER
    CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
    THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
    No. 07–290. Argued March 18, 2008—Decided June 26, 2008
    District of Columbia law bans handgun possession by making it a crime
    to carry an unregistered firearm and prohibiting the registration of
    handguns; provides separately that no person may carry an unlicensed
    handgun, but authorizes the police chief to issue 1-year licenses;
    and requires residents to keep lawfully owned firearms
    unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar device.
    Respondent Heller, a D. C. special policeman, applied to register
    a handgun he wished to keep at home, but the District refused.
    He filed this suit seeking, on Second Amendment grounds, to enjoin
    the city from enforcing the bar on handgun registration, the licensing
    requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying an unlicensed firearm in
    the home, and the trigger-lock requirement insofar as it prohibits the
    use of functional firearms in the home. The District Court dismissed
    the suit, but the D. C. Circuit reversed, holding that the Second
    Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess firearms and
    that the city’s total ban on handguns, as well as its requirement that
    firearms in the home be kept nonfunctional even when necessary for
    self-defense, violated that right.
    Held:
    1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
    firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
    traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
    Pp. 2–53.
    (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but
    does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative
    clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it
    connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
    (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation
    2 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER
    Syllabus
    of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically
    capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists
    feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in
    order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing
    army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress
    power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear
    arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved.
    Pp. 22–28.
    (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms bearing
    rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately
    followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.
    (d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious
    interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals
    that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms.
    Pp. 30–32.
    (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts
    and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the
    late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.
    (f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation.
    Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553, nor
    Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 264–265, refutes the individual rights
    interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not
    limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather
    limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by
    the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54.
    2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
    It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
    manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
    weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
    or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
    doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
    felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
    in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
    laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
    arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
    “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
    of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

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  16. Mary Wanna Avatar

    “(f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation.
    Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553, nor
    Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 264–265, refutes the individual rights
    interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not
    limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather
    limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by
    the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54.”
    …those in common use for lawful purposes…AR-15 is in common use for unlawful purposes.

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  17. Walt Avatar

    So what mary?

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Mary Wanna | 21 February 2018 at 08:01 AM
    Why are you wasting your time posting here when you, “jon”, bobby, and C-Nile should be burning up the the phones with congress pushing for a full ban and confiscation?
    I mean we should “never let a crisis go to waste”!

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  19. Mary Wanna Avatar

    So, you are a clueless fool Walt.
    George’s Par Force argument carries no water. He is afraid his pea shooter will not stand up to an M-16 in the hands of a jack booted Federalist. So, being the Anti Federalist foot soldier that he is, he wants access to everything in Sheriff Royal’s arsenal.
    Sorry George, a molotov cocktail or a pipe bomb will “air your grievances” as well as an M-16.

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  20. Walt Avatar

    Smoke an LSD laced joint before breakfast? WOW!! Talk about “wake and bake”.
    You shared it with Doug too?

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Chew on this “Mary”, Maybe you were too stoned to notice at the time.
    Hear of the Bundy VS BLM standoff?
    GOV tyranny in this day an age. It was the armed citizen who beat it back.
    Harry Reid was the instigator, to buy off his Chinese backers.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Mary Wanna,
    Not certain you fully understand the terms “Federalist” or “anti-Federalist”, but I could be wrong. Anyway, carry on.

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    Par Force. Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.
    The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Looks like the Florida Legislature would not buckle to the kidlets on the NRA and guns. Goos for the cool heads.!

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 21 February 2018 at 09:18 AM
    You might also remember that this mornings dismissal of your argument comes from a man who during the Bundy Ranch affair wallowed in a state of masturbatory ecstasy about the Abrams tank, Apache helicopter and TOW missile reprisal that he was hoping to see in response to the standoff.
    Perhaps the last person for a dispassionate discussion of the issue!

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  26. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    “Second Amendment was written to always provide common citizens a last resort to defend themselves against a government that has turned rogue.” What a pile of crap. It was also ratified in 1791 when fighting was done with muskets and sabres and refers to a well trained militia not any crackpot who who wants to go out and get their nut off playing toy soldiers. Common citizens don’t own assault rifles only those on the political fringes who are prone to believe that somehow their rights are under assault and owning an assault rifle will actually make a difference. To use the rogue government argument in the 21st century as an excuse to allow military style assault rifles to be widely distributed throughout a civilian population is merely an advertising gimmick that plays into the politically propagated fears of the less than astute members of our society who believe such rubbish. What about the rights of murdered children to the pursuit of happiness and domestic tranquility? You folks don’t seem to get that it has nothing to do with self defense against tyranny and everything to do with selling guns, period. You are being played by the NRA like a fiddle. The children and other innocent victims are just collateral damage to the gods of profit and every mass murder victim is directly on the shoulders of the gun lobby, the legislators that are in their pockets, and their supporters. Perhaps the most telling example is that of the Florida legislature who, yesterday refused to discuss a firearms bill but instead debated and declared porn to be a health hazard to teens. No facts were presented on just how many Florida teens had been murdered by porn. This show of brilliance was made in front of a large group of survivors from the latest massacre.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Mary. Was that bong hit of reality too much to toke?
    Armed citizens holding off LIB operated
    “storm troopers”, and WINNING!! On the ground, and eventually in the court!
    Save for the man, government agents shot in the back, then planted a gun on.

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Have another toke Bobby.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Robert Cross | 21 February 2018 at 09:35 AM
    …..I know you’re concerned bobby but porn will still be available when you visit “Gods Waiting Room”.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I challenge all RR to watch the speeches of the teenagers at Parkland High school pleading for change and support. Probably won’t see it on Fox. Go to MSNBC for live coverage. Their impassioned pleas for change might just change your opinion,

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Paul. We need to take away their sports cars. High school kids have no respect for fast cars. Think they will willingly turn them in?

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I stand corrected. Fox is covering the speeches. Good for them.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    Bob.. Guns are not just for fending off bad gov. Thy are good there to fend off people out to do you harm.
    When seconds count,, the cops are many minutes away.(if your that lucky)

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 February 2018 at 09:52 AM
    Their impassioned pleas for change might just change your opinion.

    Nope…..unlike you Punch I don’t need politicians to provide me with moral direction and I have no interest in policy prescriptions from children.
    You really are pathetic….letting the victims of this be pimped out to further your progressive agenda!

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I heard those kids and they are certainly passionate. But really are uninformed and that is a function of shitty educators. All schools are “gun free” zones so those with bad intent know where to go for the most damage. Arm the teachers.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Fish you don’t believe the kids are credible and deserve to be heard. Incredible self serving

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  37. Walt Avatar

    Paul. There is a reason they can’t vote at that age too. Can you name it?

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 February 2018 at 10:10 AM
    ….and there’s that patented Punch-E™ brand reading comprehension issue!
    The victims, of course are free to speak and discuss their issues as much or as little as they choose. I choose to not listen to their policy prescriptions because I understand that this is little more than the progressive movements latest opportunity to climb upon a pile of bodies and make pronouncements that they couldn’t get any attention for otherwise.
    Progressives don’t care about those dead children except for their use in pushing the agenda!

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fish
    Do you believe the Democrats gathered up all those children and organized their presentation?

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 February 2018 at 10:26 AM
    Really Punch……“Uncle Matlocks Happy Fun time Question Hour”…you should know better!

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Paul. Why do you insist on graveyard political stumping? ( Can’t let s good tragedy go to waste)

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  42. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Their impassioned pleas for change might just change your opinion,”
    We’ve already told you lefties we want change, Paul. We want school children protected in the manner already proven to work.
    I’m guided by the law, reason, history and logic.
    You go with emotion and see how far that will get you.
    Children operate out of emotion until they grow up. It’s called maturation.
    You might try it.
    Bobby Cross is abysmally ignorant of history. He might try actually reading some of the wisdom of the founding fathers, instead of making up crap.
    See folks – this is why it’s important to let people like Paul speak out. Like all of the post-modernists it’s all about feelings and emotion.
    Conservatives go with what brought civilization out of the dark ages.

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 21 February 2018 at 10:37 AM
    …..Bobby Cross is abysmally ignorant of history.

    Bobby Cross is abysmally ignorant of history.
    FTFY

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott writes:
    “Children operate out of emotion until they grow up. It’s called maturation. ”
    Does that emotional expression of children that you cite include the actions of a 19 year old who is allowed to buy an assault rifle and murder 17 people?

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott
    the slaughter of 17 children at a public school sure sounds like the dark ages to me.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, do you really think Democratic Party activist donors aren’t pushing the kid’s hard?
    https://www.bizjournals.com/bizwomen/news/latest-news/2018/02/oprah-backs-march-for-our-lives-with-500k-donation.html?page=all#comments
    There is politics at work here.

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  47. Walt Avatar

    For the LIBS political displeasure,
    a survivor of the Columbine shooting, is now an elected politician. His stance on the subject is to ,,ARM TEACHERS!!!
    Now put that in your bong and smoke it.

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