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“Over the last fifty years, it’s the Left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.”  Andrew Klavan

George Rebane

Student groups across the land are now forming to protest the ownership and availability of guns in America.  Their tearful yet uninformed emotions will supply more grist for grinding down the Second Amendment in the name of ‘saving the children’.  I don’t want to re-circle the barn on all the arguments that correctly point out that no new gun control law suggested by the Left would have prevented the Parkland massacre.

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I gave my views on a reasonable approach to preventing such shootings in ‘Stopping School Shooters’.  We know it works because it is successfully applied in Israel and at the schools to which the elites send their kids.  However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged, a new term to join ‘neurodiverse’, ‘neurotypical’, ‘neurodivergent’ … introduced by leftwing academicians (more here).

The only thing that I’ve heard which merits discussion and possible immediate implementation are the so-called Red Flag laws.  Five states have these which allow a family member, who is almost always aware of a developing situation, to alert authorities who can then temporarily but immediately remove access to guns by the disturbed individual.  The removal of the guns is not permanent, and their return depends on how the case is subsequently diagnosed and adjudicated.  Bottom line, it is those close to the individual who can nip a developing situation in the bud, and thereby prevent a suicide or a tragic shooting like in Parkland.


California’s crazy and crazier gun laws are Exhibit A in all this, especially as it applies to the constructive prohibition of ‘assault rifles’, specifically the AR-15 variants.  Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals, and that ‘gun violence’ has been decreasing over the last 25 years.  Our state’s continuing path toward confiscation will have as much impact on the Parkland type shootings as its climate change laws have on global warming.

The answer, as most students of the contemporary American scene know, lies in the disintegration of what used to be our common culture.  NY Post columnist Arnold Ahlert collects these thoughts in his ‘It’s the Culture, Not the Guns’.  There he makes the case that “Leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. But their destruction of culture is the culprit.”

In the final analysis, the cost of living free means living with risks.  And removing risks inevitably redeems our liberties, which itself is useful for powering elitist agendas.  Everything has a price, which includes returning to tyrannical autocracies like the many states of the 20th century, today survived by North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, … and now joined by Russia and Venezuela.  The gun control issue, along with several others (e.g. federally funded abortion, free speech, religion and state, …), was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. 

[21feb18 update]  Subsequent to my comment on the role of par force in a free society, the comment stream below took up the thread and expanded on it, but so far without much profit from examining it in a reasonable manner.  I responded with the following which I now post here as a needed update to the above commentary.

Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.

The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

And here is what a reasoned, researched, and referenced response looks like in this debate written by Ignatius Piazza, head of Front Sight, a well-known firearms training firm – Download FrontSight.  The Left is invited to submit their best equivalent – I will post it here.

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456 responses to “Gun Confiscation – again on the march (updated 21feb18)”

  1. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    PE at 8:56 – never answers questions, just keeps asking them.
    If you wish to get rid of the 2nd A – go for it.
    Until then, it’s the law.
    Deal with it.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    How many cases of homicide by arson took their place, Paul? Or homicide by vehicular hit and run?
    If availability of firearms were a factor in how many people killed themselves or others, immigrants to the USA from, oh, Australia or Japan would show a large increase in violent deaths. Are there?
    Thanks for taking the hood off… you are talking about confiscations. Don’t be bashful.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Mentally ill. 25% of the US population? Well, that coincidentally dovetails with the number of adults in the US that self identify as “Far Left” or “liberal”. Said it once, say it again. If we could prevent liberal “Democrats” from owning guns, the number of mass shootings would drop like a rock, but I digress.
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/16/disarming-individuals-with-mental-illnes

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  4. Walt Avatar

    As usual, the LIBS ignore facts.
    Knives kill more people in the long run.
    Yet those are cash and carry.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    The last time this happened, the push was on to ban zombie chainsaw attachments to any rifle with an attachment rail.
    Since the shooter didn’t have one this time, it’s no big deal.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    More about the dark side of the Aussie confiscation…
    https://reason.com/archives/2016/03/22/australias-gun-buyback-created-a-violent
    Yes, the bikies learned how to supply the need.
    Or, as one commenter put it… That’s not a rocket launcher. This is a rocket launcher.

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  7. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: PaulE @ 8:56AM
    “What are the lives saved in Australia worth to you Gregory?”
    For God’s sake, why do I even read this guy’s posts? Does he research his opinions even a little bit?
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Gun_Deaths.png/1024px-Gun_Deaths.png

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  8. Xeno Avatar
    Xeno

    Sorry Scotto, semi autos are what the crackpots take to the mass shootings.
    Semi autos are designed to kill people in firefights.
    What does our government do when certain drugs are abused or can be abused?
    The FDA restricts their availability and makes them available through prescription only. How do they do that Scotto Right Wing Wacko? Well, Scotty, they have a medical professional determine if the person is physically and mentally fit to be given the prescription.
    What is the difference between a drug and a device like a gun that can be abused if it gets into the wrong hands?
    Local hypocrites want to regulate the hell out of marijuana but, Dear Lord, don’t even think about regulating the hell out of guns!
    Sad!

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks for verifying my position Scenes. what is your speculation as to why Australia has fewer gun deaths than the U,S,?

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Xeno
    The huge difference is that bearing guns is a right that shall not be infringed. I don’t think growing, smoking, or selling pot is a right that shall not be infringed, but I could be wrong.

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Austrialia has fewer gun deaths than the US because Austrialia does not have large widespread inner city ghetto scum as found across the US in cities controlled by the Democrats for the last 40-50 years. If you remove black on black homicide, the US would have one of the lowest murder rates in the Civilized World.
    The other difference is the US citizens have rights that predate the Constitution, rights endowed by their creator that predates Government. The right to bear arms is to protect the citizenry from those from government who would attempt to confiscate the citizenry’s firearms.

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar

    Florida and Vegas were the opposite of black on black violence Bill. How do you explain that?

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 February 2018 at 01:50 PM
    How do you explain that?

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  14. Xeno Avatar
    Xeno

    Bill, The Second Amendment right to bear arms is not infringed.
    It shall only be available by ‘prescription’ as long as you are not unhinged.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar

    13% of the population committ 53% of the homicides in the US. Nothing to explain, Punchy. Thought you want to save children, but I guess with your focus is on white people attending a Country Music Concert in Vegas and white kids in Florida. You appear not to care about black children all in all. Otherwise you would be commenting on the 13% of the population commiting 53% of the homicides in the US non-stop, day in and day out, month in and month out. Guess some folks care more about worshipping a plant than about black US citizen children.

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  16. Xeno Avatar
    Xeno

    Buh-Bye Bump Stocks

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  17. Walt Avatar

    So “xen”,,, when did you lose the right to own guns?, and why??

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Xeno at 2:11 – They’re banning rubber bands?

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 February 2018 at 01:50 PM
    How do you explain that?

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 20 February 2018 at 02:18 PM
    Emo can’t conceive of a thing if he can’t just buy it! Probably part of the reason he gets so worked up when restricting pot purchases is discussed.

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  21. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Xeno the Warrior Princess wants to infringe on gun rights with the same model that has given us the opioid crisis. What could go wrong?
    No Xeno, no Punchy. There are perhaps 330 million guns owned by individuals in the USA, those guns will not be going away on a whim, and a “right” becomes a privilege when you have to ask a bureaucrat “mother, may I?” before it is exercised.

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  22. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Xeno is lost in space – “Sorry Scotto, semi autos are what the crackpots take to the mass shootings.
    Semi autos are designed to kill people in firefights.
    What does our government do when certain drugs are abused or can be abused?”
    Restricted drugs have no other use than to be abused. That’s why they are restricted.
    99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of the time semi autos are used it is legitimate and harmless.
    I notice that Xeno and Paul will not come right out and propose anything specific.
    Are you or are you not proposing confiscating fire arms owned by law abiding citizens?

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 February 2018 at 01:50 PM
    How do you explain that?

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scott, the fixation on Australia signals they think a “buyback” with a below value compensation and criminal penalties for noncompliance is apropos. In other words, a partially compensated confiscation.
    Paul and “Xeno” might not be aware that no one knows how many semi-automatic centerfire pistols and rifles there are among the guessed at 330 million. Estimates are something approaching 50%.

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  25. Xeno Avatar
    Xeno

    Oh Boy, Looks like the Conservative’s SCOTUS picks are backfiring, get it? Only #me too perp Clarence Thomas seems to be on gun lover’s page.
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/clarence-thomas-dissent-asserts-gun-061551840.html

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Xeno | 20 February 2018 at 02:54 PM
    Yeah the earth really shifted on its axis today because a gun case didn’t get enough attention in Clarence Thomas eyes. Wow….keen analysis there!

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The warrior princess at 2:54pm
    Denying certiorari isn’t that big a deal, Xeno. It can be just a simple ‘we’re too busy’ for that at this time. While it would have been nice to clear that issue up for Californian’s sake, I can’t remember the last time I purchased a firearm … I think it was prior to 1992.
    I never got into the Barbie for Boy’s thing with the AR-15.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Scott writes
    “I notice that Xeno and Paul will not come right out and propose anything specific.
    Are you or are you not proposing confiscating fire arms owned by law abiding citizens?”
    You have a short memory or you don’t read. This was from last night in this post:
    “I would largely leave gun control up to the States to determine their own path. I personally would require some kind of intensive boot camp training for anyone who wishes to possess assault type weapons. That would involve intensive psychological review and extreme back ground research. I would require a time limit for those who possess such weapons to enter one of those programs or turn in their firearms of which they would be reimbursed for fair value.
    If Some states allow teenagers to possess automatic assault weapons then those who live in those states would assume responsibility for what may happen to their children.
    This would be a start in the right direction. ”
    Yesterday’s post 19 February 2018 at 07:20 PM

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Paul. As for your “reeducation camps”, LIBS are to be the first occupants.
    Facts before rhetoric will be the first mandatory class.
    People bitch about drunk drivers, and demand something done. I have yet to see parking lots being forbidden next to any drinking establishment.
    Knives kill more people than guns.(facts of that posted yesterday) No restrictions there either.
    How old are you now Paul? Since your real long in the tooth, it’s time you gave up driving.
    Need proof? How bout the oldster that drove his care into the store today in Glenn brook? Usual excuse, Forgot which was the break and gas peddle.
    Turn over your keys before someone gets hurt. ( Just being proactive.)

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  30. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Paul at 3:10 – “This would be a start in the right direction.”
    So Paul, you have told us part of what you think should be done but obviously you believe a lot more will have to be done. How about letting us in on the bulk of your plan.
    Your plan to force citizens into ‘some kind of intensive boot camp training…’ is totally absurd. Only a handful of Americans have the free time to bother with such nonsense. Wouldn’t that adversely affect the poor and people of color you lefties are always crying about? Of course it would. This is a classic case of human rights being reserved for some wealthy white men.
    “If Some states allow teenagers to possess automatic assault weapons…”
    I don’t think any teenagers posses automatic weapons Paul.
    What is an ‘assault type’ weapon? Does it have to be scary-looking?
    “I would require a time limit for those who possess such weapons…”
    Including the bad guys? What are you going to do with them?
    How long a time period would be involved in this boot camp training?
    For how long would it take to process many millions of people?
    What if there are more school shootings in the middle of this decades long process?
    We can start protecting our school kids today if we want to, but apparently we don’t.
    Paul has a ‘plan’ to supposedly protect school children but it wouldn’t take any effect for years and he has other secret plans but won’t tell us or maybe he hasn’t got a clue.

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    It’s pretty clear at this point that the anti 2nd amendment folks out there won’t tip their cards. First they claim there won’t be any fire arm confiscation and we conservatives are paranoid to think so. Then they claim that hunting fire arms won’t be involved. When the dust settles and you manage to pry part of the truth out of these liars, it turns out that yes – confiscation is exactly what they are after and their definition of what they would confiscate includes guns used in hunting.
    And as Paul just admitted – “This would be a start in the right direction.”
    Yes – just ‘a start’.
    He won’t own up to where he’s headed with this.
    First, they came for the gypsies and I said nothing…..

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Paul. Just which state “allows” teens to posses “automatic weapons”?
    When did the FEDS start issuing FFLs to teens? You have ANY idea of how much an automatic weapon costs these days?
    You best stop commenting on things you don’t have a clue about.
    MY AR is not and “automatic rifle”. (I bet you thought AR is short for automatic rifle.)

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  33. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    The bottom line is the left gins up hysteria about school shootings and claims higher moral ground based on the amount of spittle coming out of their mouths. When you finally pry a plan of protecting the school children out of them it actually doesn’t involve protecting any school children. Paul wants to ‘start’ by spending tens of billions of dollars on some kind of unworkable and bizarre plan to disrupt the lives of millions of law abiding citizens in order for them to earn their civil rights.
    While all of this is going on, some clown waltzes into any of thousands of unprotected schools and starts shredding flesh with a couple of sawed off shotguns. Oh, I’m sure Paul will be the first to throw his body in front of the kids but unfortunately he has other plans that are far more important.
    Anyone who doesn’t want armed protection now at every school this week wants more tragedy so they can advance their anti-American, anti-civil rights agenda.
    That’s all there is to it.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Well, at least Xeno is beginning to look at the murderers, not just the weapon of choice. That we can agree on. Focus on the person pulling the trigger or setting off a bomb or driving a car into a street demonstration.
    Bump stocks are easy to make in the garage, easy as pie. That is not the issue. How do you legislate evil? Yes, things have drastically changed in the past 20-30 years. The Fat Boy likes to ridicule us for wanting to live in the Ozzie and Harriet days, yet he is the first one to squeal like a stuffed pig when he kid’s bicycle gets swiped or a guy walks into a neighborhood bank and gives the teller a note.
    Isn’t this whole conservation about how things have gone to shit, tracing a boatload of society’s woes back to the Flower Power Days. Drugs, sex, and rock-n-roll. Not all woes. We always have had the “In Cold Blood” killers since the first person born killed his brother, the 2nd person born.. The largest mass murder of school children happened in 1927, when a school board treasurer killed his wife, firebombed his farm, then drove to an elementary school and set off explosives, killing 38 school children and 6 adults, wounding over 50 more.
    Let’s focus on the bad guy, not the weapon. An AR-15 semi-auto is semi-nothing…..nothing close to an automatic weapon. Semi-squat diddley.
    Stats 2016. 14,000 firearm murders, 300 killed by rifle. Rifle includes shotguns, rifles, all long guns, does not break out AR-15s. So, guns are involved in a lot of murders, of which 300 are committed by “rifles”. Wrong focus. We focus on the drunk driver, not the shape of the car.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1262171300583571/?type=3&theater
    You want gun confiscation? Keep guns away from convicted felons, as our local LE do darn near every other day week in and week out per our The Police Blotter.
    http://wfla.com/2018/02/19/ms-13-gang-member-with-ak-47-arrested-in-wimauma/
    If we cannot legislate the evil the lurks in heart of humans, we need to protect (harden) our schools. Even if every gun in the whole land was confiscated, the US Senate, Capital Hill, banks, celebrities, sports stars, big venues, the President, Mayor of NYC, our governor, our local courthouse, and even Bill Gates would be protected by armed men.
    Time to get guns on the school grounds. Not perfect, but a good step forward if you really want to get closer to the stink and protect our children. Sure, the Pulse Nighclub shooter offed the security guard at the front entrance first, as well as bank guards on big heists. Nickolas Cruz walked into the school front lobby and pulled a fire alarm. If there was a armed guard of cop in the lobby, Cruz might have offed him/her first in a surprise move. Never know. It’s a good start. The killer got off 150 rounds and took his time reloading. And planned his escape. He was unopposed.
    BTW, got an e-mail from an old buddy. Retired Navy Chaplin. Former Marine, and started his military career with the Army Airborne. Anyway, he took the grandkids somewhere like Disneyworld for a vacation. They stopped into a church they passed along the way. He said it was a great experience and the Church had a nice armed gal there protecting the worshippers. Times have changed. We need to be ready to shoot back.

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  35. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The po’ ol’ fakenewsman @310 puts a big spot light on his fundamental ignorance about firearms when he claims some states allow kids to buy automatic assault weapons? REALLY? Which ones would those be ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman.
    Now lets remember that besides being a po’ ol’ party parrot the po’ ol’ fakenewsman is a special kind of party parrot; A PO’ OL’ PUTIN PARTY PARROT!
    He has been breathlessly parroting the putrid, Putin party line for over a year now. Just a tool of the international communist, Putin conspiracy you are! So now you are rechristened the po’ ol’ putin party parrot!
    So everything you push going forward is automatically suspected of being the po’ ol’ putin party parrot line. Rock on comrade fakenewsman! 😉

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  36. Walt Avatar

    I equate Paul to that no nothing politicization that had the grand idea of how to deal with “high capacity” magazines. “Just end all sales, so when they are empty they are no good. Problem solved”.
    No one told the Mensa member that they could be reloaded? It was good moment to see just how stupid elected people can be, yet have the ability to pass laws.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I consider a 19 year old a kid.

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  38. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Paul – “I consider a 19 year old a kid. ”
    The are of age, Paul. They sign contracts, open businesses, go to war, they are financially and legally responsible for themselves. And they vote. Yes, unfortunately, many are still infantile. They stay that way for decades. Never become conservative. They stay in childhood waiting for mommy to kiss their boo boos and make the bad guys go away. They are the left. Govt becomes their parent and they never untie the apron string. Sad.
    Please let us know when a ‘kid’ with a legal machine gun starts causing trouble.
    When do we get your secret plan you won’t let us in on, Paul?

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  39. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Scenes – Holy cow – on par with islands tipping over.
    “I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”
    They tried damage control after the fact but really – ‘misspoke’?
    Absolutely clueless – a total idiot.
    The anti 2nd A folks are beyond ignorant – they’re wilfully ignorant.
    Who needs a boot camp? These folks don’t even know which way urine runs.
    Oh, yeah, I know – Uren St runs into Hwy 20/49 – yuk yuk yuk.

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  40. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    It’s remarkable to me how much people will argue for changes in gun law while knowing so little about either existing law or the mechanics of firearms generally. Seriously, it’s not all the complicated, but the pro-ban people never seem to bother. They’ll get beat up on one web forum and blithely wander off to the next.
    I figure that the optimal mayhem setup for Allah Akbaring and the like is the setup the guy at Fort Hood had. The funny thing is that if you banned your way to that level, about all that is left is bolt action rifles. Heck, the Charles Whitmans of the world even make that impractical.
    Unless you are disingenuous, the only real choices are completely banning firearms or doing nothing I think. The rest of it is just arguing for arguments sake.

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Your tax dollars at work : http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/20/leon-county-fl-public-schools-excuse-absences-offers-school-buses-rally-gun-control-state-capitol/
    No money for armed guards but plenty for left wing propaganda.
    Full on abuse of the education system. Why isn’t he fired?
    Tax payer money used to support left wing causes.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    What hasn’t been said in this comment stream is that the Second Amendment was written to always provide common citizens a last resort to defend themselves against a government that has turned rogue. And those of us who understand that also understand why it is necessary for citizens to be able to own a wide spectrum of firearms. This was expanded long ago in an essay I wrote on the concept of par force.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/04/par-force-an-un.html

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So that includes hand grenades, rocket launchers, tactical nukes on and on and on. Where does it end? Neighborhood tanks, Drone Bombers, personal fighter jets. How about private armies and hired mercenaries. Is that what Par Force means? Where does it end George?

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    tanks

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  45. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    What a maroon @ 739! Good guy with a gun stops the murder of 2 DV victims, just sayin’.
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article201161344.html
    😉

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don
    Do you believe we have the right to own a private tank?

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