Rebane's Ruminations
February 2018
S M T W T F S
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728  

ARCHIVES


OUR LINKS


YubaNet
White House Blog
Watts Up With That?
The Union
Sierra Thread
RL “Bob” Crabb
Barry Pruett Blog

“Over the last fifty years, it’s the Left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.”  Andrew Klavan

George Rebane

Student groups across the land are now forming to protest the ownership and availability of guns in America.  Their tearful yet uninformed emotions will supply more grist for grinding down the Second Amendment in the name of ‘saving the children’.  I don’t want to re-circle the barn on all the arguments that correctly point out that no new gun control law suggested by the Left would have prevented the Parkland massacre.

Ramirez_180219

I gave my views on a reasonable approach to preventing such shootings in ‘Stopping School Shooters’.  We know it works because it is successfully applied in Israel and at the schools to which the elites send their kids.  However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged, a new term to join ‘neurodiverse’, ‘neurotypical’, ‘neurodivergent’ … introduced by leftwing academicians (more here).

The only thing that I’ve heard which merits discussion and possible immediate implementation are the so-called Red Flag laws.  Five states have these which allow a family member, who is almost always aware of a developing situation, to alert authorities who can then temporarily but immediately remove access to guns by the disturbed individual.  The removal of the guns is not permanent, and their return depends on how the case is subsequently diagnosed and adjudicated.  Bottom line, it is those close to the individual who can nip a developing situation in the bud, and thereby prevent a suicide or a tragic shooting like in Parkland.


California’s crazy and crazier gun laws are Exhibit A in all this, especially as it applies to the constructive prohibition of ‘assault rifles’, specifically the AR-15 variants.  Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals, and that ‘gun violence’ has been decreasing over the last 25 years.  Our state’s continuing path toward confiscation will have as much impact on the Parkland type shootings as its climate change laws have on global warming.

The answer, as most students of the contemporary American scene know, lies in the disintegration of what used to be our common culture.  NY Post columnist Arnold Ahlert collects these thoughts in his ‘It’s the Culture, Not the Guns’.  There he makes the case that “Leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. But their destruction of culture is the culprit.”

In the final analysis, the cost of living free means living with risks.  And removing risks inevitably redeems our liberties, which itself is useful for powering elitist agendas.  Everything has a price, which includes returning to tyrannical autocracies like the many states of the 20th century, today survived by North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, … and now joined by Russia and Venezuela.  The gun control issue, along with several others (e.g. federally funded abortion, free speech, religion and state, …), was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. 

[21feb18 update]  Subsequent to my comment on the role of par force in a free society, the comment stream below took up the thread and expanded on it, but so far without much profit from examining it in a reasonable manner.  I responded with the following which I now post here as a needed update to the above commentary.

Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.

The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

And here is what a reasoned, researched, and referenced response looks like in this debate written by Ignatius Piazza, head of Front Sight, a well-known firearms training firm – Download FrontSight.  The Left is invited to submit their best equivalent – I will post it here.

Posted in , , , , ,

456 responses to “Gun Confiscation – again on the march (updated 21feb18)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Sure you do Paul Emery. You claim to support the Second Amendment which is the law of the land. Tellus where it defines “arms” and maybe we can see what you mean.

    Like

  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, don’t states allow US Armed Forces who are under 21 possess fully automatic weapons?
    Thanks for dropping the facade that it was about 17 kids killed by a former schoolmate.
    Regarding states rights to determine what guns each state would allow… does that also cover the other amendments? Alabama decides what books are covered by the 1st Amendment?

    Like

  3. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    NEWSFLASH! THE Po’ Ol’ fakenewsman is reporting that an AUTOMATIC WEAPON was used by Cruz! WOW, news to me! It does not matter what your wish is ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman @ 758, style is your issue? The SCOTUS has made clear what it means.
    How about we actually ENFORCE the laws on the books?
    Emery?
    Emery?
    Emery?
    😉

    Like

  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul 720pm, automatic weapons were covered by the reaction to the first St. Valentine’s Day Massacre of 7 Irish mobsters by a handful of Italian mobsters in 1929… using two tommyguns (fully automatic submachine guns firing pistol rounds) and two shotguns. That was what the National Firearms Act did… allowing California to ban automatic weapons.
    Been done already, over the past 89 years.

    Like

  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    correction Semi automatic or better put guns of mass destruction. You know what I mean

    Like

  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don, how about protecting our neighborhoods against mass murders rather than focusing on stinky plants.

    Like

  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don
    Exactly what law did Cruz violate or better yet Stephen Paddock, the Vegas killer. They bought everything they had legally.

    Like

  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Guns of mass destruction?
    One round fired per trigger pull?
    Paul, you’re lying. Making crap up. For shame.

    Like

  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Those guns caused mass murder Gregory. Shame on you for disregarding the harm they can do in the hands of a psycho killer.

    Like

  10. Bill Tozer Avatar

    1) There is no such thing as a semi-automatic gun. You pull the trigger, one projectile is fired from the chamber. You squeeze the trigger again, another projectile is fired from the chamber. You squeeze the trigger again….. nothing automatic or semi-automatic about it.
    Bottomline. To this very hour, my rights still do not end where Punchy’s emotions begin.
    2) “Don, how about protecting our neighborhoods against mass murders rather than focusing on stinky plants.”
    Oh, that was a good one, Punchy. Like being pulled over in your van with a blinker out and telling the cop, “Why are you pulling me over! Why don’t you go nap rapists and bank robbers and quit picking on law abiding drivers with little vehicle violations.”

    Like

  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    A revolver and a bunch of speedloaders with .357 rounds ready to go can make for a horrendous rate of fire, not to mention a pump action shotgun with double ought buckshot loads.
    Paul, the first fellow to get shot at the Florida high school was the coach… who was an accomplished shooter. Had be been able to return fire the day could have ended with only one casualty. Or if the database had caught wind of the kid being a mental case, no one would have been a casualty.

    Like

  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Bill what law did Paddock or Cruz violate that needs to be enforced, according to George, to prevent mass murders?

    Like

  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    How about Paddock Gregory? To the best of my knowledge he didn’t have a mental instability background? What current law could have stopped him?

    Like

  14. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Punchy sez: “I doubt if the framers of the Constitution supported the right for the above to arm themselves with military style weopons.”
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155425222455914/?type=3&theater

    Like

  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I went to that stupid link Bill. You can do better than that.

    Like

  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, the question you posed to Bill Toes at 836pm was, in effect, how to ensure no one gets killed by anyone.
    Utopia is not an option.

    Like

  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    We have a right to self defense and that includes keeping guns out of the hands of psychos. By the way, what law did Cruz or Paddock break that is currently on the books when they bought their assault rifles?

    Like

  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Paul – “That’s why a thorough screening and training is necessary.”
    Yes – because we need our psychopathic killers to be well trained.
    What about voters? Why not make sure they are thoroughly screened and trained?
    “…or better put guns of mass destruction”
    What in hell are those, Paul?
    If you can’t define them precisely, you’d better admit you’re over your head.
    What about Sandy Hook, Paul? Would your finely crafted plan have stopped that?
    Of course not. But we conservatives have been pleading for a sensible plan that we all know would have prevented all of the mass school shootings and you lefties would rather have the dead bodies pile up so you can become suddenly and magically hysterical when children with the correct amount of melanin get killed.

    Like

  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    No, Paul, you don’t have a right to live in Disneyland. Or Lake Woebegone.
    Utopia is not an option.

    Like

  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What is that “sensible plan” Scott? Can you send me a brief outline?

    Like

  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    They types of guns used in Vegas and Florida Scott. Mass destruction of innocent human life.

    Like

  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What is that supposed to mean Gregory? Perhaps you can tell me what laws did Cruz or Paddock break that could have prevented their mass murder spree if enforced?

    Like

  23. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Murder is against the law.

    Like

  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Why, murder, Paul. I thought you knew.
    What you are hoping for is a utopia. It doesn’t exist.

    Like

  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What laws that currently exist could have prevented the murders Bill?

    Like

  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Now, Paul, what about assault trucks. You know, trucks used to mow down innocents, or transport explosives. Does anyone actually need to be able to rent a big truck that could be used to transport a half ton of an ammonium nitrate bomb?

    Like

  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The absence of a bad law could have helped, Paul. The Gun Free School Zone Act
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990
    It created Gun Free Zones around schools by declaration, but didn’t actually enforce the gun free zones. The honor system.

    Like

  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Am I the only one who sees the same pattern from the po’ ol’ fakenewsman on jhihadis? 😉

    Like

  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Probably you’re the only one Don. You live in your own world and from what I know of your personal history no one wants to be part of it.
    I’m done till tomorrow afternoon
    Cheers to all.

    Like

  30. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    Gregory: “Now, Paul, what about assault trucks.”
    That is more properly known as the ‘Truck of Peace’.
    McVeigh aside, anyone with a lick of sense knows exactly how you get treated to more of those.

    Like

  31. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Punchy. Why did the Russians cheer when Trump won?
    Laws are like restraining orders. Only worth the paper they are written on. Feel safer now? Earl walked right through that restraining order and Earl Must Die. Was that from Pussy Riot or the Dixie Chicks? I plumb forgot.
    I guess you don’t know that an AR-15 is just slightly more powerful than a 22. Deer hunter. A revolver is the best to have on the night table because you just squeeze the trigger without having to slide back anything or lock in a clip. Figure you get one, maybe two shots off and better make them good. Perhaps a shotgun behind the front door as well since Biden recommended blowing a hole through that front door when intruders or strangers come knocking on the front door. That Uncle Joe is a funny guy. Not very smart, but funny. Discharging a firearm in the town where he lives is against the law.
    Ok, what laws? Military style weapons? You mean like what our Founders envisioned? A rifle with a fixed bayonet? Ok, maybe a law against having a fixed bayonet on a rifle. I could live with that…..maybe….but it could lead that slippery slope.
    If you don’t feel safe with ex-cons having guns, illegal alien gangbangers with guns, some wacko in the audience who starts firing away with his 9mm “semi-automatic” sidearm while you are singing defenseless on stage in some place that serves alcoholic beverages, then I suggest you get yourself a little Derringer to keep in your underwear. It might save lives. Never know. Sorry you feel those darn apprehensions, anxiety, worry, unease, nervousness, nerves, misgivings, disquiet, concern, tension, trepidation, perturbation, consternation, angst, dread, alarm, fear, and foreboding. That really sucks. Cannot solve that one for ya, but I can lend an ear.
    Now, tell us all about your “concerns”. This is your safe place.

    Like

  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    Would you share those same words with the parents of the children shot in Florida ?

    Like

  33. Bill Tozer Avatar

    I would not slam the parents or those traumatized teenagers. They have a right to their feelings. Neither would I try to dismantle the Constitution in a moment of emotional upheaval to satisfy your lust for government to do something. The solution is to harden the schools. That is being proactive, not reactive. You just are putting more feel good band-aides on the symptoms and kiss some boo-boos. Protecting school zones is a good solution. Just like why people lock their vehicles at night.

    Like

  34. Bill Tozer Avatar

    How silly of me. Why didn’t I think of it. Why don’t we make it against the law to carry a gun onto a gun free school zone? Problem solved.

    Like

  35. MAGA Covfefe! Avatar
    MAGA Covfefe!

    To the po’ ol’ paranoid hobby gun lobby…FBI arrests Grass Valley man who likes to build mail order ghost AR-15s from parts and sell them online. To the DEEP STATE THEY ARE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS paranoids,,,why don’t you fools get real? People are crying out for effective ways to control crazies from unfettered access to semi auto rapid fire weapons and all you can chant is SECOND AMENDMENT!!!
    What did Trumpski wingnut hero Antonin Scalia say about AR-15s???

    Like

  36. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Paul – “The(y) types of guns used in Vegas and Florida Scott. Mass destruction of innocent human life.
    Ah – you mean the types that fire a bullet when you pull the trigger.
    Narrows it way down. Clear as mud.
    As I thought – you have no idea what in hell you’re talking about.
    ‘My’ plan to protect schools has been repeated several times by myself, George and others.
    Do try to keep up. Class is not going to repeat the lessons little Pauly decided not to study.

    Like

  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    MAGA at 7:13 – If some one is building guns and selling them without getting the proper permits they are breaking the law. No one here is defending that.
    ” To the DEEP STATE THEY ARE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS paranoids,,,why don’t you fools get real?”
    Uh – Mr MAGA… Several folks in govt have already called for just that. As well as millions of brain-dead so-called citizens of this country.
    I would suggest that you get real.
    If that is possible.

    Like

  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    A not unreasonable projection regarding the issue…..

    After the Gun Ban
    Looking back a few years after hypothetical new restrictions on semiautomatic weapons in private hands, we see a country grown more divided, but no less armed.
    Can Americans overcome hurdles to changing this country’s gun culture and the laws regulating firearms? There may be a path to accomplishing just that—but it’s unlikely that anybody would like the results. Let’s look back from a possible future…
    The strategy that gun controllers finally settled on was to shift the culture to make firearms ownership socially unacceptable. Then, legal changes would be possible.
    “I think we have to cleanse our culture of this false idea that guns are cool,” gun opponents wrote. “Guns are not cool. Cool kids don’t use guns.” Others agreed, and they all pointed to an earlier example of demonizing a previously popular product. “Guns should be the new cigarettes,” they insisted.
    Perhaps sounding a bit of a cautionary note, cigarette smoking was actually on the rise among college students who rolled their eyes at the gross old TV ads. One risk of cultural programming is that people may change the channel. But the plan to shift the culture was adopted, and it worked—sort of.
    That’s “sort of” because, while anti-gun messages were a big hit with some media platforms, they were immediately countered by vigorous counter-efforts through opposing channels by pro-gun groups. That was something that never happened during the battles over tobacco. American culture—and media, with it–was far more fragmented than it had been in the days of unchallenged anti-smoking ads.
    So the anti-gun message found an audience among those who were already predisposed to listen. These were people whose politics were generally left of center, and who followed media outlets to match. The result was declining gun ownership among those who were already wary of the practice. Before the anti-gun campaign, researchers found that “44% of Republicans and independents who lean to the Republican Party say they own a gun, only 20% of Democrats and Democratic leaners say the same,” but now the number of left-leaning gun owners started to fall even further.
    Pollsters who had found that many gun “owners associate the right to own guns with their own personal sense of freedom” were unsurprised to see them openly stockpiling weapons and ammunition in response to the cultural battle. It quickly became clear that the partisan arms gap was growing in a politically fragmented country. Conservatives and, especially, libertarians (who almost universally valued liberty over laws that threatened that liberty) owned weapons at far higher rates, and increasing, than their opponents
    But the cultural onslaught, ably assisted by the stumbling GOP and its internal civil war, had enough impact at the margins to affect elections. Democrats seized the White House and majorities in both houses of Congress and promised major changes to come—including on guns.
    Warned by experts that yet another “assault weapons” ban made no sense because “as a matter of functionality, these guns are just like other rifles. They’re more powerful than some handguns and rifles, and less powerful than others,” they decided to go a step further. Encouraged by Supreme Court turnover and the resulting opportunity to redefine the Second Amendment out of existence, Congress banned all semiautomatic firearms in private hands, with compensation promised in return.
    Many lawmakers later admitted that they never realized that semiautomatics made up maybe half of the 310 million guns estimated by the Congressional Research Service to be in private hands as of 2009. Just as important, they’d never understood that, outside of a very few jurisdictions with some sort of registration on the books, the government really didn’t know who owned what guns. Even in those jurisdictions, compliance had been spotty—15 percent compliance with assault weapon registration in Connecticut, and 5 percent in New York. Many owners had openly refused to abide by registration laws out of fear of precisely what had come to pass: compensated confiscation.
    A few million guns were surrendered, and victory weakly proclaimed—to much cheering in some media circles, and jeering elsewhere in the fractured country. The largely unplanned-for cost of compensating the owners of those few million guns sparked a new round of jeers. The surrendered guns came overwhelmingly from the jurisdictions with registration, and from people sympathetic to the law.
    Congress summoned its energy one more time and passed ammunition restrictions. From now on, you could only purchase ammunition for weapons registered in your name.
    Gun sales surged again, now for bolt- and lever-action rifles chambered in rounds traditionally used in semiautomatic rifles, and revolvers that similarly accepted traditionally semiautomatic calibers. It escaped nobody’s notice that ammunition purchased for a legal weapon could also be used in guns that never made it to the registration lists.
    Enjoying similar surges in popularity were ammunition reloading supplies, purchased by people who wanted to stay entirely clear of registration lists. A new generation of 3D printers and CNC machines also saw booming sales as enthusiasts flocked to arsenal-in-a-box solutions that let them manufacture almost anything they wanted at home. The simplest CNC machines converted 50 percent lowers into finished firearm receivers—that was down from 80 percent, but likely to go no further after engineers scolded legislators that they were coming close to criminalizing blocks of metal.
    Enforcement of the new laws proved to be exceedingly uneven, with many state and local law enforcement agencies—especially those serving gun-friendly constituencies—explicitly opting out. “It is well established that the federal government cannot force state officials to implement federal laws,” legal experts reminded angry gun control advocates. That left the most enthusiastic enforcement in areas where support for the law and compliance was already strongest.
    New restrictions on semiautomatic firearms had been driven by concerns over mass shootings, but it remained almost impossible to tell if the law had any effect on crime. The U.S. remained average to above-average in the frequency and impact of what had always been unusual crimes. “Though rampage shootings are rare in occurrence, the disproportionate amount of coverage they receive in the media leads the public to believe that they occur at a much more regular frequency than they do,” scholars noted before the law changed. Such incidents remained rare—and frustratingly horrifying—after the new laws passed. Few actual experts had held out much hope anyway. As one gun skeptic commented after researching various proposed policies, “the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence… I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them.”
    What increased in frequency, though, were confrontations between law-enforcement officers seeking to enforce the new laws and citizens on the receiving end of raids. Like earlier drug-enforcement efforts, the new gun laws were implemented with violent, no-knock raids–especially in minority communities that had relatively little political clout with which to resist. Grisly headlines spoke of the death of innocent people killed when police hit the wrong address, and of officers killed when targets shot back. Juries in some areas showed a growing tendency to give defendants a pass when they’d broken the locally unpopular laws—and even when they fired on police. Local law enforcement became even more inclined to let the feds enforce their own laws—if they were up to the job.
    With guns now a more explicitly partisan issue than ever, left-of-center media have taken to painting gun-friendly areas as practically in a state of insurrection. Opposing gun-friendly media return the favor by encouraging resistance to what are seen as police state tactics and by sharing tips on doing just that.
    An especially troubling development is that political violence appears to be on the rise in a country where the seams are beyond frayed and where members of opposing political factions “despise each other, and to a degree that political scientists and pollsters say has gotten significantly worse over the last 50 years.” A line appears to have been crossed in the minds of many Americans, and what were opponents are now enemies.
    New elections loom, but nobody expects them to resolve much of anything.

    http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/20/after-the-gun-ban

    Like

  39. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    I think I see one of the problems here.
    from Paul – “Those guns caused mass murder Gregory. Shame on you for disregarding the harm they can do in the hands of a psycho killer.”
    “Those guns caused mass murder.” No, they didn’t. You are factually wrong.
    Then – “Shame on you for disregarding the harm they can do in the hands of a psycho killer.”
    Ah – now we are getting some where. Sorta. The part about Gregory ‘disregarding’ the harm a psycho can do is false, but at least we now see what ‘type’ of gun Paul is referring to. He is referring to only that type of gun a psycho uses to cause harm.
    That would be any sort of fire arm you could name. Or a host of other, non fire arm methods of killing people.
    It really has nothing to do with fire arms, does it? It has to do with folks free to roam untethered about society that should be closely minded or institutionalized in
    some way.
    I say we start with the unhinged lefties. Awfully violent type of folk.
    Or we could protect the schools in the manner that is practised successfully by many schools that don’t have these sorts of unpleasantness.
    We could start doing that today and who would be against it?

    Like

  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Australia! Australia! We love ya!”
    -the philosopher’s sketch, Python(Monty)
    From Robert Cross a few days ago:
    “The real solution to the mass murders that occur in America more often than any other place in the world not involved in military conflict is exemplified in Australia’s gun laws. Mass murder is no longer an issue. In Australia, people aren’t walking into schools and murdering anyone who happens to be there. Search it out on the internet and see for yourself. They solved the problem.”
    They confiscated about a third of the firearms in the country.

    Like

  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 20 February 2018 at 08:13 AM
    Perhaps some of our more adventurous commenters might want to consider emigrating to these firearm free paradises that they so enthusiastically tout.
    Demonstrate the courage of their convictions.

    Like

  42. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Writing at the Washington Post, the former newswriter for the data journalism site FiveThirtyEight explained her epiphany.
    “Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.
    Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence.”
    http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/statistician-rethinks-gun-control-after-digging-data

    Like

  43. Xeno Avatar
    Xeno

    What ever happened to the simple bolt action rifle?
    It is not too hard to see why the AR-15 appeals to some. It reminds me of the lifted 4×4 truck of guns. Very groovy with all the little gizmos and add ons attached but not very practical.
    A Winchester model 70 or Remington model 700 are fine for target shooting or hunting.
    The AR-15 is for those who like to impress others when they come over to the man cave and see a Rambo special with all the bells and whistles hanging on the wall.
    Sure you can hunt with one. So what?

    Like

  44. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Pew’s data suggest that those falling in the youngest age range have dropped the furthest in support for “gun control” since 2000 (when the alternative is presented as “gun rights”). And when the question concerns the National Rifle Association’s top legislative priority, concealed carry, millennials appear to lead the country. According to Gallup’s version of the question in 2004, the notion that concealed guns made for safer spaces polled at 25 percent; 11 years later, it registered at 55 percent nationally. The greatest support came from those ages 18-29, at 66 percent, a full 10 points greater than the next highest scoring demographic.
    Does this make millennials more conservative on guns? Some think so.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/12/are-millennials-moving-right-on-guns-215703

    Like

  45. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “…but not very practical.”
    Not to you, perhaps.
    I take it Mr Xeno doesn’t mind if we go rummaging through his house and possessions and take away anything we don’t find (in our opinion) to be very practical.
    “A Winchester model 70 or Remington model 700 are fine for target shooting or hunting.”
    That has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
    “Sure you can hunt with one. So what?”
    So – we are constantly told that hunting rifles are not what the gun grabbers want to take from the citizens.
    Mr Xeno is a good example of a left wing nut. He sets him self up as judge and jury over what we can and can’t have.
    Sorry Xeno. We are a nation of laws, not of men. You lose.

    Like

  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well it seemed to have helped in Australia Gregory.

    Like

  47. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Paul at 8:52 – So – we are talking confiscation of law abiding citizens fire arms?
    Hard to tell just what you want as you refuse to answer questions or propose any sort of solution.
    You just have to love the lefty-loons.
    They want to confiscate your fire arms at the same time they call you paranoid for fearing the same.

    Like

  48. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What are the lives saved in Australia worth to you Gregory?

    Like

  49. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    Well, it isn’t like Australia’s murder rate changed a whole bunch.
    https://welikeshooting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Australia-Homicide-rate.png
    It’s interesting to check out how they’ve worked their way around laws there. There’s some pretty interesting rifles.

    Like

  50. Walt Avatar

    Take xeno’s car away. He is more likely to kill someone that me with an AR..

    Like

Leave a comment