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“Over the last fifty years, it’s the Left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.”  Andrew Klavan

George Rebane

Student groups across the land are now forming to protest the ownership and availability of guns in America.  Their tearful yet uninformed emotions will supply more grist for grinding down the Second Amendment in the name of ‘saving the children’.  I don’t want to re-circle the barn on all the arguments that correctly point out that no new gun control law suggested by the Left would have prevented the Parkland massacre.

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I gave my views on a reasonable approach to preventing such shootings in ‘Stopping School Shooters’.  We know it works because it is successfully applied in Israel and at the schools to which the elites send their kids.  However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged, a new term to join ‘neurodiverse’, ‘neurotypical’, ‘neurodivergent’ … introduced by leftwing academicians (more here).

The only thing that I’ve heard which merits discussion and possible immediate implementation are the so-called Red Flag laws.  Five states have these which allow a family member, who is almost always aware of a developing situation, to alert authorities who can then temporarily but immediately remove access to guns by the disturbed individual.  The removal of the guns is not permanent, and their return depends on how the case is subsequently diagnosed and adjudicated.  Bottom line, it is those close to the individual who can nip a developing situation in the bud, and thereby prevent a suicide or a tragic shooting like in Parkland.


California’s crazy and crazier gun laws are Exhibit A in all this, especially as it applies to the constructive prohibition of ‘assault rifles’, specifically the AR-15 variants.  Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals, and that ‘gun violence’ has been decreasing over the last 25 years.  Our state’s continuing path toward confiscation will have as much impact on the Parkland type shootings as its climate change laws have on global warming.

The answer, as most students of the contemporary American scene know, lies in the disintegration of what used to be our common culture.  NY Post columnist Arnold Ahlert collects these thoughts in his ‘It’s the Culture, Not the Guns’.  There he makes the case that “Leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. But their destruction of culture is the culprit.”

In the final analysis, the cost of living free means living with risks.  And removing risks inevitably redeems our liberties, which itself is useful for powering elitist agendas.  Everything has a price, which includes returning to tyrannical autocracies like the many states of the 20th century, today survived by North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, … and now joined by Russia and Venezuela.  The gun control issue, along with several others (e.g. federally funded abortion, free speech, religion and state, …), was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. 

[21feb18 update]  Subsequent to my comment on the role of par force in a free society, the comment stream below took up the thread and expanded on it, but so far without much profit from examining it in a reasonable manner.  I responded with the following which I now post here as a needed update to the above commentary.

Sadly none of the Left have read my piece on par force, let alone understand its main tenet. All the above horseshit about grenades and tanks and private armies attests to that. The function of civilians possessing par force with the local constabulary is that the state cannot quickly snuff out or shut down legitimate protest against the rogue/illegal behavior of state agents/agencies (in the well-practiced manner of totalitarian countries). That people so aggrieved have the means to gather, hold off authorities long enough for the word to get out to other citizens across the land who then decide to join the resistance, or demur and let the initially aggrieved be taken by the state’s eventual superior force and face the full consequences of their ill-advised (or ill-timed) opposition. Without such available par force, there is no chance of such penultimate resistance. This has been demonstrated time and again during the last two centuries.

The last beneficial use of par force was the recent Bundy ranch standoff. It brought (and continues to bring) attention to an aspect of government overreach that would have been buried in the courts had not the Bundy family and their many compatriots (some travelling hundreds of miles to join them with their arms) been willing to risk their lives to draw attention to what they believed was rank injustice. A free people should always have the means to exercise their will through par force when they feel the established legal avenues no longer work. A nation of disarmed sheeple no longer have that option, for they have become the herded and compliant livestock of the state.

And here is what a reasoned, researched, and referenced response looks like in this debate written by Ignatius Piazza, head of Front Sight, a well-known firearms training firm – Download FrontSight.  The Left is invited to submit their best equivalent – I will post it here.

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456 responses to “Gun Confiscation – again on the march (updated 21feb18)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    However, recent statistics from 2016 show that knives actually kill nearly five times as many people as rifles that year.
    According to the FBI, 1,604 people were killed by “knives and cutting instruments” and 374 were killed by “rifles” in 2016.
    Not that it matters a tinkers damn.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    15-17 to Paris. Of course, no one in Europe can own a gun I guess. But who has them? Terrorists. So while the terrorists are shooting and killing the people must wait for the cops. On that train, the terrorist had an AK-47 and a pistol and a box cutter. The others had nothing except their courage. And they took him down. Thank goodness his AK misfired. So as the terrorists are killing everyone we can be emboldened that the police will be there soon.

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    There are 20,000 laws of gun control. There are more than that for murder. There are thousands of laws on driving a car. Yet people still break them all. So it appears to me that perhaps enforcing the existing laws might help. Heck we have thousands of laws for legal immigration yet millions sneak into America every year. Sorry, more laws are not necessary.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    And we have to remember, that for all the good the countless laws do, the system utterly failed against the Parkland shooter. Where is the outcry to remedy the FBI and/or hold its staff accountable? Does the lamestream care? Shouldn’t we start by enforcing existing laws and implementing existing LE procedures before passing more gun laws? It would useful if someone published a list of all the laws, codes, procedures, and ordinances that were violated in the case of the Parkland shooter.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    You should get over to the Union article by Becky Goodwin on guns and make some comments.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Before we can even have any rational dialogue about guns, we would have to educate half the population what a gun is. That wacko on CNN (or was it MSNBC) thought the criminal MS-13 gang was an assault rifle. MS-13 and AR-15 sound Linda alike, right?Need I say more? I will anyway.
    Semi-automatic! Scary! Boo! Newsflash: unless you got an old cowboy peace keeper six shoot revolver, all hand guns are semi-automatic. “Ok, I will stop”, he says rolling his eyes at being lectured by those who have never fired a gun in their lives.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1261332074000827/?type=3&theater
    Ok, combine the above with school shootings. Add emotion. Stir well the result of the Lefties’ cultural carnage.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1261105724023462/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1261332074000827/?type=3&theater

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    re ToddJ 1252pm – Someone should teach Becky Goodwin about guns and how long we have had such “rapid firing” arms in the hands of the public. We have had them for a hundred years, and all of us kids had them and carried them in our cars, but no one went on a shooting rampage in a school or elsewhere. The guns are the same, the only thing that has changed is the Left’s destruction of our culture. And that beat goes on until they have every facet of our lives controlled by some code or computer. It’s never been the guns.

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  8. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    Given the cosmetic angle to all of this, it would be fun to get people to denounce the CMMG muzzle loading AR15.
    Honestly, everyone has heard all the arguments before. Minor tiffs will break out because some well-intentioned person will misuse the word ‘clip’ or ‘assault rifle’.
    The real goal, of course, is to confiscate 100% of firearms. Given that so many of them are functionally identical, it’s kind of an all or nothing situation. In the meantime, you can pretend to cut deals by allowing for new ‘common sense’ gun laws. Perhaps the underlying problem is simply that a heterogeneous population, with badly behaved subgroups, aren’t responsible enough for dangerous items.
    I think maybe I’ll push for this with another angle, rewrite the 2nd amendment (2.1 amendment) so that only property owners are allowed to possess firearms unless they are part of the police or military. If it were possible to enforce that, it would probably de-arm 99% of the folks who use guns in an improper manner.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Democrats know that further gun control is really a dead letter at this point…..every time they push it they get trounced at the polls and most people know that their enforcement is pretty much toothless at this point!
    It’s good to fundraise off of though….. which is why you’ll be seeing it lots of earnest democrats looking stern and determined for the next couple of months until there’s another shiny object dangled that distracts them!

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  10. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    “However, the peasant children can serve a far more useful role for the elites as pawns – to sacrifice in their schools, or parade for the press where they can influence the country’s neurochallenged,”— that would be those people who continue to espouse NRA talking points.
    “specifically the AR-15 variants. Never mind that this gun is rarely used by criminals”. nope.. just mass murderers.
    “The gun control issue, along with several others ….. was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. ” Yep, and their stock portfolios love mass murder. Every time some nutcase murders a bunch of men, women, and children gun stocks go up because gun sales go up. It is a vicious spiral. Gun proponents have recently suggested arming teachers. Teachers’ jobs are to teach. Students’ jobs are to learn. The NRA’s job is to sell guns. This is an oil and water argument. How can kids learn when they know at any time some crazed individual can walk in and end their lives? As for the bullshit argument about “just enforce the laws we have,” the fact show that most of the mass murderers purchased their weapons legally. It is not about laws, it about the lack of laws. The AR-15 variants are not hunting rifles, they are designed to kill human beings. And have no use in a civilian capacity.
    The argument that without civilians owning assault type rifles our nation is subject to ‘tyrannical autocracies’ is neurochallenged at best.. In the age of drones, cruise missiles, spy satellites, internet spying, and surveillance cameras everywhere, anyone who thinks armed resistance by random hodge-podge bunches of self-proclaimed citizen soldiers armed with popguns has any chance of succeeding beyond suicide, is out of their mind and probably shouldn’t be allowed to own gun in the first place.
    The real solution to the mass murders that occur in America more often than any other place in the world not involved in military conflict is exemplified in Australia’s gun laws. Mass murder is no longer an issue. In Australia, people aren’t walking into schools and murdering anyone who happens to be there. Search it out on the internet and see for yourself. They solved the problem.
    Our gun problem is insane and it needs to stop now and ‘sending out prayers and condolences” to the families of the victims simply isn’t enough. This drastic problem will not go away without drastic solutions. So you have to ask yourselves what is more important, innocent lives or someone having to ‘pry your gun out of your cold dead hands.’ Do you really need an assault rifle that badly?

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    RobertC 131pm – You are ignoring or dismissing the Founders’ purpose for including the Second Amendment. I think we know what your interpretation is, but it would be good to expand on it here. Also, in the grand scheme of things, what is your definition of your “drastic problem”; what are the numbers connected with such a problem?

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Where did that paste job originate from Bob?
    Yes, yes I DO need the AR. It’s a fine weapon. If the bad guys have them, I care to have matching firepower, if not better.
    If your even allowed to own a gun, make sure it’s a muzzle loader. Better make that one shot count.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Oh Bobbie, yes! You got it right. Ding, ding, ding. You got the brass ring for that one.
    “The gun control issue, along with several others ….. was and always will be about the new world order under control of the elites. ”
    Yes! You are catching on. Here is the proof. Spot on.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1001827146634174/?type=3&theater
    A well regulated milia practices gun control. Some of use practice control by using both hands to aim.
    Congress shall pass no law…
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1001827146634174/?type=3&theater

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think all these lbs forget what happened just a few years ago. In the USSR and 1930-40’s Germany. 100 million people gob=ne as the on;y people with guns were the governments. And of course, the government knows best as the liberals all say.

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Golly, Cross, to really mass murder, commandeer an air transport. Or a nation.
    Be sure to be clear to your candidates in November, Cross… you want gun confiscations which was the Australian solution.
    If that’s to be the Democratic Party platform, so be it.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Bobbie!!!
    “Do you really need an assault rifle that badly?”, ROFLMAO. Already heard that one word for word get demolished this morning. Try another angle instead of talking points fresh off the press. Try lecturing me about the children as you promote killing the unborn. Yeah, I feel your pain.. What? 500 million clamshells isn’t enough for Planned Parenthood’s Government budget this year?
    The 2nd Amendment is what makes America so exceptional. Just last week they were saying Trump is Hilter. This week they are saying turn your guns over to Hilter. I do declare.

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Until a gun gets off the ground and start walking around all by it’s lonesome, I will continue to say it’s not the guns, it’s the culture.
    “As always, leftists want to restrict the entire conversation to gun control. And as always, none of them can name a single new law that would prevent a tragedy like this.
    What might? Ramping down leftist hate. Ever since the election, those who profess to own the franchise on tolerance have not only been utterly deranged, but increasingly proud of being so.”
    https://patriotpost.us/articles/54222-its-the-culture-not-the-guns

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  18. Walt Avatar

    OK Lefties,, the time is now to act. Pass the law banning weapons the leave no trace of a crime. You know, like a phaser from Star Trek. Call it what you want.
    We have lasers today, that can make you disappear like D.B. Cooper. They are only getting smaller. ( The first working machine gun was the Gatling gun. Remember how big that is?)
    Come on now,, use your tried and true argument. ” The founding Fathers never envisioned yada yada yada,……”
    Ban something before it exists. ( Like killer robots that can think for themselves)

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    The tragic numbers of deaths to school children are the very definition of a”drastic problem.” It’s sad that I even have to point that out.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 436pm – And I’m sad that you didn’t understand my 1139pm question.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar

    So are drug deaths, Punchy. Outlaw opiates and street drugs that kill more each year, each month, each day. Prohibition works, right? Just say no works like a charm, eh?

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar

    You were asking Robert C for his definition of a “drastic problem” in relation to gun use. I gave you mine. If the slaughter of innocent children by crazed people with guns is not a drastic problem to you let me know and we’ll go from there.

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  23. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: RobertCross @ 1:31
    You may feel a strong need to disarm the population due to stuff that you saw on TV, but I think you really need to rethink your analysis of the power relationships in the NRA. Here’s my take:
    The NRA is a relatively minor player in terms of political contributions (something like $20M / year) and is way way smaller than the big players in that world. OTOH, the NRA is not run by the gun companies and gun company profits are not a huge political issue (or bankruptcies in the case of Remington). It makes for a good story, but really isn’t true.
    As a practical matter, the NRA is just the most visible outlet for a biggish chunk of the US population, and those people can be largely single-issue voters when it’s called for. That’s the real power in all of this. The NRA lobbyists’ calls get returned (mostly) because of the votes they can deliver.
    Anyhow, as I said, firearms are fungible enough that there’s no point in restricting certain families of design. To get the result you are shooting for, you would either need to outlaw all firearms, or restrict them to a formula of antique guns (single action revolvers, single shot rifles, break action shotguns, and the like).

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar

    ….the country would be a safer place if we could just prohibit Democrats and liberals from owning or even carrying a firearm. Unfortunately, the Constitution does not allow for such a sane measure.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1002623883221167/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1002612966555592/?type=3&theater

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 450pm – Let me try to clarify Paul. In the 2003-14 interval there have been 1,353 people killed in school transportation involved accidents, and hundreds more since then according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. No one is talking about this going on year after year; all these tragic deaths have been swept under the rug. How long must this slaughter go on, and when are we going to do something about it?

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  26. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Here are the 2015 causes of death, the po’ ol’ fakenewsman should focus on driver training if he wants to really save some lives-
    https://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/lc-charts/leading_causes_of_death_age_group_2015_1050w740h.gif
    😉

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  27. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    George at 4:56 – Stop using facts and reason. We’re talking about an opportunity to start pissing off the NRA and conservatives. You clearly didn’t get the memo.
    This is about hysteria, emotion and most important of all – feeling good about ourselves.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 450pm – DonB 459pm brings up an even more ‘drastic problem’. Every year more than 2,000 teens are killed in traffic accidents they caused, and which could have been prevented. That’s orders of magnitude more than die annually in preventable (see the Israeli and elitists’ solution) school shootings by mentally disturbed kids. If saving kids lives were your real concern Paul, you would have been addressing totally different problems with young people of that age. What conclusion should one then draw when all you progressives immediately go for gun confiscation as the solution when another preventable school shooting takes place? I’ve already given my answer in my commentary; looking forward to hearing yours.

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  29. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    ScottO: “This is about hysteria, emotion …”
    C’est la vie.
    It’s the same reason we can’t buy suppressors even though they make a lot of sense for various reasons. The moms are all convinced that ‘silencers’ go pew pew pew and can be used for all kinds of deviltry. The fact that you can make one out of an oil filter or buy one over the counter in Europe seems to be besides the point.

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  30. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    How many ‘children of color’ have been murdered in the last 5 years?
    Did St Paul or Little Bobby Cross ever start posting here about that tragic problem?
    Only when it’s mostly white kids is it a tragic problem.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar

    The lefties in this country have undermined local police, our military, are fighting tooth and nail to keep our borders wide open for the influx of guns, drugs, and criminals. School boards across the country have pushed to keep police off campus because they do not like LE anywhere near schools because…beacause….because they are liberals.
    School boards, it’s up to you to protect our children. You can’t count on laws, gun free zones, folks on the no fly list or watch
    It’s not getting their hands on guns, shrinks or doctors diligently reporting troubled kids on the edge, and you can’t lock them up until they are 21. Nicolas Cruz was expelled from school and it did not keep you safe.
    It’s up to you, school boards, to protect our children. Man up.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, numerous timestamps
    I’m afraid Paul/Punchy is not being rational. You see, it’s about children’s lives and, as the one not agreeing with the raw emotional appeal du jour the only acceptable response is “Golly, Paul, I really don’t have a good reason for owning a semi-automatic gun of any sort and of course, will agree to giving any and all of them up depending on what Congress agrees upon”… but for now, there isn’t any actual proposed law. This is just the holier than thou browbeating stage.
    There were a number of failures of the data gathering system that’s supposed to catch people in the background check, and I think the 39 cop visits to the perpetrator’s home(s) over the years should be what gets looked at, along with the suspension of Joe Biden’s Gun Free Zones Act of 1990 except within hardened boundaries of gun free zone enforcement.

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  33. Russ Steele Avatar

    When Will We Have the Guts to Link Fatherlessness to School Shootings?
    BY SUSAN L.M. GOLDBERG, PJ Media
    Now that the gun control advocates have had their fifteen minutes of fame, let’s start focusing on the real issues impacting the rise in school shootings since that infamous day in Columbine in 1999. Issue number one that no one in the mainstream media or government wants to acknowledge: fatherlessness. Specifically, the impact of fatherlessness on the boys who grew up to become school shooters.
    Dr. Warren Farrell, author of the new book The Boy Crisis, explains:
    Minimal or no father involvement, whether due to divorce, death, or imprisonment, is common to Adam Lanza, Elliott Rodgers, Dylan Roof and Stephen Paddock.
    In the case of 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, he was adopted at birth. His adoptive dad died when Nikolas was much younger, and doubtless the challenges of this fatherlessness was compounded by the death of his adoptive mom three and a half months ago.
    [Emphasis added]
    The rate of mass shootings has tripled since 2011. We blame guns, violence in the media, violence in video games, and poor family values. Each is a plausible player. But our daughters live in the same homes, with the same access to the same guns, video games, and media, and are raised with the same family values. Our daughters are not killing. Our sons are.
    Read the rest here:
    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/will-guts-link-fatherlessness-school-shootings/
    Concluding: We ignore the lack of adequate mental health services, the failure of law enforcement to effectively intercede, and the sickening impact fatherlessness has on each one of these tragic cases. Why? Because it is easier to ban a hunk of metal than it is to right systemic cultural wrongs.

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  34. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Russ at 6:08 – Stop using facts and reason. We’re talking about an opportunity to start pissing off the NRA and conservatives. You clearly didn’t get the memo.
    This is about hysteria, emotion and most important of all – feeling good about ourselves. redux my 5:11 at will.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Now we learn that a “social worker” labeled Nicholas Cruz as low level threat. How can you vet Cruz more than he was vetted?
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155425224935914/?type=3&theater
    It’s up to you, school boards. Harden up. Hmmm. Ever hear of mass shootings at charter schools or private schools? Must be a cultural thang.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Here’s some serious details
    “Using numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we found that from 2001 to 2013, 406,496 people died by firearms on U.S. soil. (2013 is the most recent year CDC data for deaths by firearms is available.) This data covered all manners of death, including homicide, accident and suicide.
    According to the U.S. State Department, the number of U.S. citizens killed overseas as a result of incidents of terrorism from 2001 to 2013 was 350.
    In addition, we compiled all terrorism incidents inside the U.S. and found that between 2001 and 2013, there were 3,030 people killed in domestic acts of terrorism.* This brings the total to 3,380.”
    This includes 9/11
    We have passed hundreds of laws and restrictions on our freedom to fight terrorism but virtually nothing to abate gun deaths. Shocking facts.
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar

    I don’t read CNN for the same reason I fon’t drink out of the toilet….er…the liberal punch bowl. Wish the press would work as hard to protect the First Amendment as they do to dismantle the 2nd Amendment. Most of them have no problem killing babies.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar

    And a darn good job stopping 75 terrorist attacks on US soil at that. Stopped most of them, not all.
    Think of that little boy who washed up on the rocks off Greece. Heart wrenching. Very emotional. So, in a heartfelt response, open the floodgates to Europe and let tens of thousands of rapists in. How is that working out for Europe?
    But what about the children?

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    These numbers are from he Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Bill. Do you have a problem with them?

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  40. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The federal crime stats are out for 2015, just like the chart I provided above ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman @ 634 so why don’t you get serious?!? 😉

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You sure don’t seem to give a shit about the deaths of innocent children Don yet you make a big fuss over the evil weed. Where are your priorities Don?

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I would largely leave gun control up to the States to determine their own path. I personally would require some kind of intensive boot camp training for anyone who wishes to possess assault type weapons. That would involve intensive psychological review and extreme back ground research. I would require a time limit for those who possess such weapons to enter one of those programs or turn in their firearms of which they would be reimbursed for fair value.
    If Some states allow teenagers to possess automatic assault weapons then those who live in those states would assume responsibility for what may happen to their children.
    This would be a start in the right direction.

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  43. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Ya still got that pesky 2nd amendment and the recent SCOTUS clarification that makes your lefty fantasy moot ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman. @720.
    As to the sad, pathetic try at guilt tripping @ 651, it just shows that you snivel for links and don’t even bother looking at the real numbers. Well I guess I wouldn’t either if I had your po’ ol’ fakenewsman comprehension issues. 😉

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Only thing boot camp for gun owners will do is make them better shots…even the crazy libs who slip through the cracks. Cruz planned it out. Guess the reports of Cruz having smoke bombs and a gas mask from the first day of reporting suddenly is not true. Be that as it may, the Sheriff went to Cruz’s house 39 times. They should have sent him to gun boot camp.
    http://buchanan.org/blog/motives-behind-massacre-128747

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So you want to cuddle up under the Federal skirt Don just like your support of Sessions and Pot laws. Shows you are a fake Conservative. Actually I could care less what your opinion is because actions mean more than words.

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    DonB is right opn he mark. As a 10th Amendment states, anything not listed here is left to the states or to the people. Well, the Constitution does list the “right to bear arms” in the Second Amendment. Sp Paul is full of caca about that.

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  47. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    39 times in what, 2 years or so @749 but he has ACLU’s proclaimed civil rights. The ACLU will bankrupt a municipality suing to prevail even if he is bat shit crazy and a danger to humanity. 😉

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I don’t think the right to bear arms includes automatic weapons in the hands of deranged teenagers or psychopathic killers Todd. That’s why a thorough screening and training is necessary.
    I doubt if the framers of the Constitution supported the right for the above to arm themselves with military style weopons.

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