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Sandbox – 19jan18

[Shall we analyze the impact of the Schumer Shutdown and how it will be delivered by the lamestream to the peehpul?  gjr]

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253 responses to “Sandbox – 19jan18”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well it’s good to agree with Don Bessee about something and that is that Trumps job approvals are the lowest in polling history Perhaps we can find agreement on more things in the future.
    ” NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll — the lowest mark in the poll’s history for any modern president ending his first year.”

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  2. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    LIBS polling LIBS.. What a surprise.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    That dog still don’t hunt.
    https://www.facebook.com/YouAreVeryUgly/photos/a.856227661103902.1073741829.844535222273146/1672925079434152/?type=3&theater

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well Walt, Don seems to accept the credibility of the WSJ polling. This was his post:
    “A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released on Friday found that satisfaction with the economy is at a 17-year high, and “those feeling good about the state of the nation’s economy now include 86 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and even a majority — 57 percent — of Democrats.” In addition, “39 percent of all Americans say they’re ready for an economic expansion for themselves and their families, the highest share since 2005.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/20/chris-matthews-warns-giddy-dems-trump-will-be-extremely-tough-to-beat-in-2020/

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Political Correctness rules the day.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1242571702543531/?type=3&theater

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Food or gas? Flip a coin.
    Part of the refiner’s financial troubles stem from a costly biofuels law called the Renewable Fuels Standard, which is administered by the Environmental Protection Agency and requires refiners to blend biofuels into the nation’s fuel supply every year, or buy credits from those who do.
    Since 2012, Philadelphia Energy Solutions has spent more than $800 million on credits to comply with the law, making it the refiner’s biggest expense after the purchase of crude, according to the memo.
    The Philadelphia refinery’s struggles have emerged as a potential flashpoint in the debate between Big Oil and Big Corn over the future of the Renewable Fuels Standard.
    Critics have argued the company’s woes are an example of what is wrong with the program, while supporters say the company’s troubles are more closely related to its lack of access to cheaper crude oil supplies.
    http://www.oann.com/exclusive-philadelphia-energy-solutions-to-file-for-bankruptcy-memo/

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    What a night of football! The po’ ol’ fakenewsman is just hatin’ that the trend indicators for the mid terms are not going his way. The prez does not need to win your general poll, note to the po’ ol’ pollhead, he just needs to win the states that matter which excludes us and NY. LOL
    😉

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So no concrn that Trump is at historic lows in your favorite poll Don?

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    DonB the polls give PE a orgasm when they reflect his bias. But you are right. The economy will dictate the midterms. Good=R’s win, not=dems [pick up House seats. Senate will be ours though.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    concrn. Too many drinks off your ANTIFA suck ups? Thanks for the counting feed of giggles my favorite druid! 😉

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery do you know who did this?
    https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/improvised-explosive-device-goes-off-at-eagle-ridge-mall

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks for agreeing with me about the WSJ polls Dom. Glad you brought up their validity.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks for agreeing with me about the WSJ polls Don. Glad you brought up their validity.

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  14. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    Don Bessee responding to one of Paul’s contentless posts :”The prez does not need to win your general poll,”
    That’s actually a pretty good point. There must be some professional software out there that gathers up polls at a more granular level and allows you to see what matters.
    Aside from a small handful of house seats, for example, there’s absolutely no point in aggregating California or New York polling numbers into a discussion on US politics.
    Ironically, even with one party rule, California can’t manage it’s own house very well, but it’s elite and most of the hoi polloi present a single (and ignorable) bloc.
    Now that I think of it, that’s another reason to feed illegals into those two states, and to generally encourage a liberal-topia there, the concentration allows an advantage in the Senate and Presidential races to Team Red.
    Seriously, it would make a lot of sense to completely legalize marijuana, 4th trimester abortion, fully fund the womyn’s movement and liberal arts colleges, in those two states.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scenes writes:
    “Ironically, even with one party rule, California can’t manage it’s own house very well”
    The same certainly can be said about the one party rule we have in Washington.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Scenes 828am – Interesting concept re CA and NY. That would effectively implement a national gerrymander. Too bad we live in one of those burgeoning socialist havens. And then your “4th trimester abortion” suggestion. Does that work like an extended ‘try before you buy’ guarantee in that you can put the baby in a dumpster any time during its first three months. It makes a lot of sense for those who would kill a survivable baby before or during birth – just extend the guarantee on the little guy.
    PaulE 831am – With the Senate’s 60-vote filibuster buster rule in a legislative body in which you no longer actually have to filibuster to stop legislation, there is little chance of “one party rule” in Washington. But I think you already knew that and are hoisting that bon mot as a red herring for the occasional ignorant reader. Right?

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Oh my Trump down 8 points in eight days in the Rasmussen Poll
    -6 January 14
    -14 Today
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The difference in one party rule is simple. Democrats want more laws to regulate you while the R’s want less.

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  19. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Now Paul complains about “one party rule” in D.C.?
    Where was his gripe when LIBs had it? Oh… never mind.
    And if LIBS did such a bang up job Paul, why did people kick your side to the curb??

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Libs did a crappy Job Walt. Should have supported single payer rather than Obamacare. Also Obama’s giveaways to Wall Street under the guise of so called economic recovery. Should have invested in infrastructure rebuild for job stimulation.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Should have supported single payer rather than Obamacare.
    Another “libertarian” disqualification…..you remain a tightly closeted (not that this state of mind comes as any surprise to any regular poster here) progressive democrat!

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  22. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    But Paul Libs DID “invested in infrastructure rebuild for job stimulation.” A Trillion dollars worth. Forget “Crapulus” so soon?
    The only “shovel ready” jobs were piling up on the LIBS collective front lawn. But we had plenty of “Solyndra” monkeyshines.
    And don’t forget ANY work done from “crapulus” money would be done by LIB unions.
    Yup, NO WONDER is was doomed. LIBS dreamed it up.
    Now compared to today, the recovery is all being done by “the people”. NOT promises from D.C.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scenes
    Hillary only ran once. I thought you knew that, Scenes.
    Actually, Don indeed brought up a great point. Trump won the Presidency by the concentration of liberals in the darkest jungles known urban centers. We already covered that ground. and it was proven beyond a doubt by combing through voting results that the concentration of Libbies in clusters got them more votes, but less electoral votes. They cluster glucked themselves.
    When I read last night CA wants half of money saved by rich Federal Tax filers and tax them 50% of that “savings”, I immediately thought of Scenes’ CA-50 solution. Just the rich, mind you, including business pes making a petty million buck a year (net). Boy, they sure have dumbed down the standards of what constitutes being rich. The revenue is needed for a “state that has prioritized fiscal responsibility and progressive investments.”
    Quote unquoted.
    The reason CA lawmakers desperately want more money is because they have already prioritized Progressive investments and desperately need more and more and more Yankee Dollars to keep such programs funded or taking a haircut.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fish
    I believe in health care for all and Single Payer is the best way to achieve that end. In my view health care is a commons much like clean air and clean water.

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, in my view music is a commons much like clean air and clean water.
    You will be happy to perform for the money being offered by the Ministry of Music and not a cent more, and it will be criminal to try to charge more than what the single payer will pay.
    Bring a banjo to the next gig.

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  26. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Paul and his OPM healthcare. Food should be free to.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt, Gregory
    There’s no point in going through this again. We have different core beliefs on this matter so lets leave it at that.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Now I wish to dip my toe in the waters called ‘daily polls’. I first must ask your forbearance for an antedoal non-empirical observation.
    Back in the day, I was often forced to sit late at night reviewing the production’ company’s previous day’s filming. Called “dailies” on the West Coast, “rushes” on the East Coast. Every evening watching the specific scenes that were shot. Every night the producers, director assistants, and some talent and crew involved gathered to watch the dailies. And every single night the sound of oohs and aahs filed the room. “Looks great, awesome, fantastic, great job!” I usually just rolled my eyes.
    When the films were finally released and were total duds, a friend had the best line I ever heard on the topic, which I am applying to daily polling here. After watching the completed film with me at the cinema, he turned and slyly asked, “What happened to all those beautiful dailies?”
    Yep, the daily polls held so much promise. Put them all together and the result was not so great. The sum of the parts did not equal the whole, as evidenced by Nov. 9, 2016. However, the sum of parts does equal the hole, as evidenced by the posting of daily polls.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Here’s is something on the celebrated and oft-cited Canadian single payer system that is also endemic in the EU. Here are just a couple of recent reports that will never see the light of day in the lamestream, nor invoke an epiphany in a progressive (e.g. PaulE’s recent 1018am). If the quality of today’s ‘free healthcare’ systems were transferred to commons such as “clean air” and “clean water”, both would quickly become putrid commodities such as enjoyed by the people of Red China and socialist India.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-payer-health-care-isnt-worth-waiting-for-1516566456
    https://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-video/sally-pipes-details-realities-canadian-health-care
    re Hillary’s presidential efforts – A person is considered in the running for an elective office once they formally file for such candidacy within some jurisdiction. Hillary very definitely ran twice for POTUS. The fact that in the end her party did not nominate her, does not mean she was not a candidate running for the office through the primaries and into the party’s convention. Simply put, her run was abbreviated.

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    I believe in health care for all and Single Payer is the best way to achieve that end.
    I understand that you believe this. I also understand that it is a profoundly anti-libertarian position to hold!
    It’s not that you hold these beliefs Paul it’s that you misrepresent yourself when you publicly espouse them!
    …and Single Payer is the best way to achieve that end.
    Your claim of superior performance is again presented without evidence and in the face of two very poorly run government “single payer” programs (Medicare and the VA Healthcare system).

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Love him or hate him it’s difficult to not appreciate the magnificent wrecking ball like nature of the current administration!


    Britt Hume
    “I doubted it was possible, but Dems have actually lost a shutdown fight. Schumer has agreed to end the filibuster in exchange for practically nothing. Make no mistake: Schumer & Dems caved. What a political fiasco.”

    https://twitter.com/brithume/status/955493962319585281

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Oh my indeed!

    Oh my Trump down 8 points in eight days in the Rasmussen Poll
    -6 January 14
    -14 Today
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 January 2018 at 08:45 AM

    Paul is having a hard time reading the chart at Rasmussen, again. It looks to me like Trump’s total approval has gone from 46 to 42… down 4. And there is no entry for January 14, but since it’s 46 just before the 14th and just after the 14th, it’s probable it would have been 46 had they taken a poll on the 14th.
    Now, if Punchy will tell me what numbers he tortured to get his result…

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The polls are always reported by the difference in support or non support. That’s the say they are reported. Here’s today’s example. Trump -14 in Rasmussen. Was -6 a week or so ago .
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 10:53am
    Yep, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Sad to see the Shutdown end so quickly. Gee Shutdown, I hardly got to know ya. Join us back in three weeks, same time, same station.
    Hate to see the Shutdown end just as the whole shebang was being formed in the public’s mind that the Dems would rather stop the paychecks to our underpaid men and women in the military living check to check (while protecting us at this very hour), just to make it their top priority to put illegal aliens first.
    Trump works for American citizens, the Left works for illegal aliens. The Schumer Shutdown.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory, let me help you with this. Follow the link I’m providing (again) and scroll down to Jan 15-last Monday and you’ll find Trump was -6 46-52. 6 points difference. Today he’s 42-56 14 point difference one week later. Serious drop in support in one week.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

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  36. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    For those readers who want to put ‘truth’ into perspective as per George’s 10:48
    The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank with a moderate right wing bias that is headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974…They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes…..the Koch bros. strike again in their ongoing efforts to re-create America in their image with their rules.
    WSJ: The WSJ editorial page (from which George’s link comes) skews far right (but not extreme right)t while the news section is considered to be centrist with a slight right leaning.
    so there you have it… another case of right wing bias here on RR, fair and balanced.. George reports and you decide. #SAD

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  37. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    source: media/biasfactcheck.com

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, perhaps I can get your eyes opened… The Rasmussen Approve Index is NOT the difference “in support or non support”… it’s the difference between Strong Approval and Strong Disapproval. A measure of strong emotions, yea or nay. That’s the leftmost column.
    The Total Approval number is the second column from the right.
    Got it? Today the total approval is 42%.
    Now, if you think today (Jan 22, 2018) is -14 Approval index, your problem is obvious
    http://images.limegreenfiend.com/images/your-problem-is-obvious.jpg

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Robert Cross | 22 January 2018 at 11:29 AM
    so there you have it… another case of right wing bias here on RR, fair and balanced.. George reports and you decide. #SAD
    Maybe you should consider posting over at jeffys……wink, wink….where the tone is more aligned with your delicate sensibilities!
    #menopause

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Geenwald, Intercept. For evening reading.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald-russia-investigation.html

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    OH NOES……IT’S GONNA BE A “BLUE WAVE” IN NOVEMBER……….!!

    Furious Progressives Slam Democrats For Caving On Shutdown
    “It’s official: Chuck Schumer is the worst negotiator in Washington – even worse than Trump.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-22/furious-progressives-slam-democrats-caving-shutdown

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  42. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Bobby.. You finally finish reading all of Trump’s accomplishments?
    It’s about time.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The Dreamers demand! Like, who made illegal aliens boss of us all? And no, you don’t get citizenship at age 21. No. No is the same word in Spanish and English, no? The illegals act like they have come down TDS. TDS has crossed the 7 Seas and has reached the 4 corners of the wind.
    They built the Great Wall of China one stone at a time.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory once again go to this link and quote to me two things 1, The name of the poll and 2 the numbers reported-the spread -which is the comparison that RCP reports each time a new poll is reported. thanks in advance for you effort.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Looks like John Kelly is on the way out.
    “I’ve Got Another Nut Job Here Who Thinks He’s Running Things”
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/are-trump-and-kelly-heading-for-divorce

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  46. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Gregory, Punchy wants sooooo badly that you agree with him. It’s very important to him. “So, I can assume you agree with me that Trump is a big fat liar..Don, Todd, Bill, George”. Come on Gregory, cross your fingers behind your back, take a deep breath, lie through you teeth, and say, “Yea, Punchy, I agree with you.” Toss him a bone or his endless loop will never stop repaying in his mind.
    Oh Gregory, you have been trying patiently and repeatily for months, years (?) on in, and well….some muds are bad choices for making pottery and sculptured things. I ain’t asking for justice, I am begging you to show him some mercy..
    Or not. 😉

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  47. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Winning!
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/22/imf-trump-tax-reform-accelerate-growth-u-s-around-world/
    😉

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  48. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Paul. Which poll is the only one that counts?

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  49. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    re RobertC 1129am – Mr Cross is another RR reader who pays scant attention to the content and declared cast of this blog. As I have explained to readers from the hoary beginning of this enterprise, I am not ‘fair and balanced’ since I don’t know how to do that. And I have yet to discover anyone else, especially those who so claim, to be fair and balanced in their commentaries.
    However, Mr Cross offers nothing significant in his criticism of my 1048am where my citations report the state of Canada’s healthcare system. He rejects the factual part of the message, duns the messenger, and also me for bringing it to your attention. I only point this out because it is part of the ongoing stream of ripostes by progressives on these and others’ pages. The substance is never there. Perhaps Mr Cross and others like him frequenting RR should review what this blog is all about – it definitely is not an attempt at what today passes for journalism.

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  50. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Hillary 2.0 ain’t happy either.
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/22/kamala-harris-no-end-shutdown-dreamers-daca/

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