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No matter what he actually said in that White House meeting on immigration policy, President Trump has again focused a policy discussion on a crux of the matter instead of continuing the same ol’ same ol’ circling of the barn.  I don’t want to debate whether he actually said “shithole country” as the press is attributing, but I hope he did if it gets us off the dime in deciding who should be let in to serve America’s interests as a sovereign and sustainable nation-state.

Because this is a family-oriented blog (hah!), and in the ensuing discussion we will want to continue using that colorful descriptor without gratuitously sprinkling dirty words all over these pages, I will use the three-letter acronym SHC in the sequel for both expedience and, perhaps, collateral decorum.  Nevertheless, the meaning of that appellation will be made and should remain clear.

Instead of working on a more polished commentary, I decided to quickly anchor my contribution to the topic in a structured list of propositions that I believe are also embraced more or less by other conservetarians.  If they are also Bayesians like me, then their beliefs of the following will range from near zero (impossible) to near unity (certain), and in the process never saying never for either extreme.

Before sallying forth, what Trump really meant to say instead of SHC is ‘third world country’ as pointed out by a reader under the recent ‘Scattershots’, who also provided a link to the UN’s list of third world countries (here).  However, on closer inspection ‘third world country’ does not quite capture the more specific and richer concept of a SHC since not all third world countries are SHCs and some, even European, second world countries (e.g. Belarus and Albania) are SHCs.  Onward to the propositions in no particular order –

  1. No broadly based social benefits can be maintained by a nation without strong economic growth.
  2. Low or stagnant economic growth leads to unrest and authoritarian cum tyrannical governance (always instigated ‘for the common good’).
  3. While case-by-case implementation of public policies is desirable, no country has the resources to sustainably provide that. Therefore, laws regulations, codes are crafted and enforced on the basis of aggregate descriptors of the governed cohorts.
  4. There is no historical evidence that desirable and transplantable social orders can survive within stagnant economies (i.e. such benevolent stasisms are popular in fairy tales and myths).
  5. America was founded primarily on the extension and spread of western culture. When formerly we welcomed immigrants, it was understood that the arriving “wretched refuse” departed from the “teeming shores” of Europe.  No one then wanted to throw open our doors to Asians, Africans, Latinos, or even the swarthy people of the Mideast and Arab countries.
    • Therefore, race (i.e. physical appearance) was the easy aggregate descriptor used to define and expediently sort out the desirables from the undesirables.
  6. Sentient life (i.e. critters that can remember and form pictures of likely futures) exhibits Bayesian behaviors. They decide things on the basis of prior experience (personal and learned knowledge) and aggregated evidence (e.g. in the form of summarizations and/or learned stereotypes).
  7. Individual freedoms within a cohort or community are always a tradeoff within some acceptable level of security, given the level of perceived danger. Corollary – freedom and security are zero-sum benefits within a social order.
  8. A culture is identifiable as a collection of beliefs and behavioral norms held dear and valued by a given population. Beliefs include a common ontology and shared view of the past (history).  Behaviors include language, dress, social practices (commercial, familial, entertainment, …).  The overarching purpose is to live in a selectively supportive society that allows members to reliably predict each other’s behaviors.  Different cultures have adopted different tradeoffs between individual freedoms and social security.  Cultures should be viewed as implementations of collectively held social insurance for a secure and predictable future, whose premiums paid by the beneficiaries are the publicly visible cultural norms they practice.
  9. SHCs are countries that inhabit the repressive, ignorant, stagnant, and economically poor end of the spectrum of nations. Most SHCs can be found among what are commonly identified as third world countries, with some seen as second world countries.
  10. People tend to help the poor and needy, not so much with the expectation to eliminate poverty and need, but to confirm ourselves as participating members of a benevolent social order that will also nurture us should our fortunes fail. In short, more of that social security insurance.
  11. Nature abhors universal definitions of ‘good’ (i.e. utility). All utilities (measures of ‘good’) are in some fashion localized, and the more localized, the more achievable.  In the natural order, local achievements network naturally to create greater and mutually supportive communities of commonly held good (i.e. supporting the increase of a more comprehensive utility).
  12. Enforced multi-culturalism does not work. Peaceful cultures compete and naturally evolve through mutually beneficial intercourse.  In war stronger cultures destroy, deform, and/or disperse weaker cultures.
  13. No successful country has ever intentionally attracted or established lasting counter-cultures within its domain. Successful immigration has always involved importation of industrious and assimilating foreigners.  (Possible exception: Peter the Great inviting Germans to bring west European culture to the Russian countryside, develop commerce, and manage agricultural estates.  However, the norm is more like the attitudes Mexico, Switzerland, and Saudi Arabia have toward immigration.)
  14. Humans, individually and as members of established groups, are measurably different. In short, we can forensically identify unique individuals and groups.
  15. A litmus test for SHC qualification is that its citizens overwhelmingly want to emigrate.

[13jan18 update]  Not much on immigration debate has come from the Left, and that specifically includes the local Left as witnessed by the comment stream below.  Now one of their leading lights – our political cartoonist RL Bob Crabb – has entered the fray with his contribution.  In other more measured offerings Mr Crabb laments on the polarization and quality of debate in the land, seeking always to promote himself as the voice of bipartisan and dispassionate reason astride the mindless froth that issues from both sides of the proverbial road.  I suppose in his tally, offerings like the one below are not included. Another commenting reader in an exuberant expression of joyous approval of Mr Crabb has appended “Nailed it!!!”  Such is the nature of our national dialogue.

RLCrabb180113

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278 responses to “On Immigration and ‘S#!thole Countries’ (updated 13jan18)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – I invite readers to repost their cogent comments on the SHC brouhaha into this comment stream. Thank you.

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  2. Walt Avatar

    For a LIB rag, SFGate has a moment of sanity?
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/The-Latest-Trump-defends-immigration-stance-in-12493146.php
    Just giving credit when due.
    It looks like DICK Durbin is the only one who heard “shit hole”.
    Why am I not surprised?

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  3. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    wrong Walt.. Durbin is the only one with enough guts to speak out while Ryan and the others boot lickers just look the other way. some people will believe anything the liar in chief says….#sad

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Durbin is a known liar. No creds. Ryan tells the truth.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Rasmussen for PE. Trump minus 7. He is at 46 plus 53 neg.

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  6. Bill Tozer (moi) Avatar

    The SHC cesspool comment wax Trump asking what are all THESE countries doing in the fine print as he flipped pages skimming over our elected representatives’ proposals. Trump has read a lot of legal mumbo jumbo doublespeak in his day.
    Beginning to feel some remote parts of our Southern Border are sorely in need of The Wall…. fence, electronic survelliance, more patrols, air support, whatever it ends up being.. Not for the human flow as such, but for drug interdiction. Lots of leaks, with a couple of huge gapping gaps where only the brave dare to trod.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    It will be interesting to see whether our liberal commenters will be able to discuss the SHC dust-up with respect to immigration policy, or just continue ragging on Trump (which, of course, is their forte).

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  8. Walt Avatar

    Sure bobby,, whatever ya’ say.
    So all the other LIBS in the room have peas for testis?
    No,, DICK was looking to start another fight. Anything to try and save face. Trump must have been winning the deal.( Now DICK could never allow that)
    LIBs lie… That’s what they do.

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  9. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    From the SF Gate article:
    “Trump questioned at a White House meeting Thursday why the U.S. would accept more immigrants from Haiti and Africa than from places like Norway.”
    That’s a helluva good question and really the crux of the matter. Is immigration to the US an unlimited and open ended welfare plan? or something that is constructed to benefit the country?
    Trust Trump to ask the real question that everyone else has always wondered.
    re: Haiti. You have to admire a place that not only the US but the Dominican Republic feels obliged to defend itself against immigration. It’s not utterly destitute of course. See: Foundation, Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton.

    Well, maybe it is now.

    A side note for GRebane: Check this one out:
    https://www.ajlunited.org/
    More of that sweet sweet grant money for someone. I’ve always been in the wrong business.
    I’m starting to keep an eye out on the various groups that want to install stronger bias knobs on machine learning. This should be entertaining.

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  10. Bill Tozer (moi) Avatar

    Other findings in the report:
    Immigrants are more likely to be working than their native-born neighbors. The report found that 87% of immigrant households had at least one worker, compared to 76% for native households.
    The majority of immigrants using welfare come from Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean. The use of welfare is lower for immigrants from East Asia (32%), Europe (26%) and South Asia (17%).
    Immigrants who have been in the U.S. more than 20 years use welfare less often, but their rates remain higher than native-born households.
    Oh yeah, the report. Hop to Figure 2. for gist of the matter.
    https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households

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  11. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    An article I ran into while looking up something else. Defense in depth for borders, I had never really thought about it.
    Wait—What are US Border Patrol Agents Doing in the Dominican Republic?
    For the US, “homeland security” is hardly limited to the homeland.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/wait-what-are-us-border-patrol-agents-doing-dominican-republic/
    It’s an Obama-era effort, so it is considered ‘good’ rather than ‘bad’ Trump policies.

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    There are two issues here. One, as George outlines in this post about our immigration policy and the other the appropriateness of Trumps comments yesterday. I will be addressing the latter. It is my view that the Republicans should be asking for Trumps resignation for conduct unbecoming a President. Here’s what some Republicans have said about his unbelieveable Ahit hole countries comments
    House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) called Trump’s comments “very unfortunate” and Sen. Marco Rubio posted a long Twitter thread about the many ways Haitians have made an impact in the U.S.
    “This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation,” Love, whose parents immigrated from Haiti to the U.S., said in a statement Thursday.
    “My parents came from one of those countries but proudly took the oath of allegiance to the United States and took on the responsibilities of everything that being a citizen comes with,” she added. “They never took a thing from our federal government.”
    Rep. Carlos Curbelo took a softer approach, tweeting his support for individuals under temporary protected status and asking the White House to explain the context behind Trump’s comment.
    “The men and women who have status under the TPS program are among the most humble and hard working in our country. They improve quality of life in our communities and many Americans depend on them to support family life.
    Under no circumstances is it acceptable to degrade, denigrate, or dehumanize #TPS immigrants. The White House must immediately explain the situation and leave no doubt regarding what was said and in what context.
    Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.)
    Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen took to her local media to air frustrations with Trump’s comments. She tweeted: “The president calling #Haiti a ‘shithole country’ ignores the contributions thousands of Haitians made to our #SoFla community and nation.”
    Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)
    “I look forward to getting a more detailed explanation regarding the President’s comments. Part of what makes America so special is that we welcome the best and brightest in the world, regardless of their country of origin.”
    Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.)
    Rep. Mike Coffman issued a statement late Thursday celebrating the accomplishments of Colorado’s diverse immigrant communities, “from El Salvador to Ethiopia.”
    “The President could learn a thing or two from them,” Coffman said.
    Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn.)
    Rep. Erik Paulsen called Trump’s remarks “completely inappropriate” and said the White House should issue an apology.
    She later told CBS Miami that “no country deserves to be called a ’shithole. It is completely inappropriate for the President to refer to other countries in the manner in which he reportedly did, especially given the circumstances and disasters that led many TPS immigrants to seek refuge and shelter in the US”
    Jeff Flake
    The words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not “tough,” they were abhorrent and repulsive.
    Former Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele
    Michael Steele, a conservative pundit who frequently appears on cable news, harshly rebuked Trump on Friday, saying the “evidence is incontrovertible” that the president is racist.
    “There are a whole lot of folks like Donald Trump,” Steele said on MSNBC. “White folks in this country who have a problem with the browning of America. When they talk about [wanting] their country back, they are talking about a country that was very safely white, less brown and less committed to that browning process.”
    More to follow

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So it appears that African immigrants are better educated than average American whites. This makes Trumps statement even more racist because there is no foundation based on truth.
    “According to Census data, more than 43 percent of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher — slightly more than immigrants from East Asia. Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees — a significantly higher percentage even than Chinese or South Korean immigrants. African immigrants are also very likely to hold advanced degrees, many of which are earned at U.S. universities. By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans.”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scenes | 12 January 2018 at 01:06 PM
    It’s an Obama-era effort, so it is considered ‘good’ rather than ‘bad’ Trump policies.

    Funny that……!

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    “Why Would We Come?” Norwegians Respond To Trump’s Immigration Offer

    You guys should consider inviting huge swaths of the third world…..let us know how everything works out!
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-12/why-would-we-come-norwegians-respond-trumps-immigration-offer

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  16. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    re: Mr. Emery “So it appears that African immigrants are better educated than average American whites.”
    Pro tip. Honduras and Haiti (the primary countries that came up in Shitholegate) aren’t in Africa. From a quote on an article
    “The program also covers immigrants from Honduras, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, and Yemen.”
    I doubt that your African PhDs are from Somalis or either Sudan. It turns out that the college grads are mostly Nigerians or Egyptians (a kind of honorary African I guess).
    Pro-tip #2. Africa is a big place. It’s made up of lots and lots of countries. Don’t jump to conclusions on what was said or the context.
    Heck, I’ll make a deal on this. Any African with a bonafide PhD, something from a non-diploma mill, is welcome to apply to move here. Plus their wife and kids. No parents and third cousins.

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  17. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    What I’ve always liked are the pics of the Spanish border with Africa (they do have one you know).
    A whole bunch of university grads just waiting to move to Europe.
    https://darkroom-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/2014/10/RTR3PM41.jpg
    http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/549c4d5f6bb3f7f07c175332-1200-632/rtr4aa4v.jpg
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/es-melilla-image01.jpg
    My own feeling is that you are seeing the future of the First World generally in these pictures.

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  18. Bill Tozer (moi) Avatar

    We still have not broached the unasked million dollar question: Can anybody tell me why letting in some of the most uneducated and unskilled on the planet is a good thing for the host country.
    Trump called a spade a spade. Never seen a single Congressperson or senator gather up the kids, grab the suitcases, and say, “Let’s vacation in Haiti!” Then we are going to El Salvador and go exploring!”

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Bill Tozer (moi) | 12 January 2018 at 02:10 PM
    We still have not broached the unasked million dollar question: Can anybody tell me why letting in some of the most uneducated and unskilled on the planet is a good thing for the host country.

    ….muh diversity!
    No….really Bill, and this is an area where Mr. Scenes and I differ, room temperature IQ immigrants will be reliable voters for the democrats (Please refer to discussions last year to restore the vote to felons and fast track the franchise to refugees and Dreamers) and to serve as a captive market for staples through EBT and other aid (again a reliable block for Team D).
    Team stupid gets a pool of cheap, quiet and placid labor and again a larger market for American business.
    The fact that it squeezes the middle class is merely a side bennie!

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Regarding the equality of Bachelor Farmers from Norway vs. Kenya posed by PaulE:
    Once here, they are equal under the law. However, the Kenyan may arrive without any cash, illiterate in their own language (not to mention standard American English) and innumerate. Small rural farmers in Kenya have very low productivity, generating an income of about a dollar a day.
    It’s also unclear there’d be many Norwegians lined up to immigrate to the USA were it easier but it isn’t zero.
    The New Colossus sonnet Punch quoted is lovely to modern white American ears but when it was written, there was a wide open country whose longtime inhabitants (the ones with ancestors who walked here) may have had something different to say about it. That was also a time when there was only charity one had to ask for, not an entitlement from the Federal or a state government and there was a hurdle at Ellis Island where the arriving huddled masses would get looked over, with many sent back.
    Open borders, welfare state. Pick one. There was no welfare state in the USA when The New Colossus was written and so all were coming here knowing life would entail hard work.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scenes | 12 January 2018 at 02:05 PM
    My own feeling is that you are seeing the future of the First World generally in these pictures.

    See Sailers “Most Important Graph in the World”!

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The Republicans should be calling for Trumps resignation for his lack of moral leadership.

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  23. Walt Avatar

    SOOoooo.. Just who are these “others”?
    “In regards to Senator Durbin’s accusation, we do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest,” they said in a statement.
    The “shithole” remarks were first reported by the Washington Post on Thursday, and attributed to “several people briefed on the meeting” and “people familiar with the meeting.”
    OK Paul,, get busy. Find out who these un-named “several people” are.. We know whom DICK is.

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  24. Walt Avatar

    OH.. Paul.. Since when do LIBs care about morals?(nice try)

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Do you doubt he used that language Walt? Is that you;re retort?
    What’s your response to this?
    The words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not “tough,” they were abhorrent and repulsive.
    Former Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Now this from RR’s favorite judge
    “”Judge” Napolitano told Fox News that Trump deserves all the criticisms he receives by calling other countries “shitholes,” that have mostly non-white populations and that he’s sunk to a new low.
    During today’s Fox News’ Special Report with Bret Baier, the immigration reform meeting and the explosive Washington Post story detailing Trump frustratingly calling Haiti, El Salvador and Africa, “shitholes” came up during their “All-Star” Panel…..
    Napolitano said, “I’ve known him for thirty years, I know him well, I like him and admire him but this is a new low.”
    He continued, “The language, the racial implications are reprehensible and he deserves the criticism he’s going to get.” “

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  27. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    “The words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not “tough,” they were abhorrent and repulsive.
    Former Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele”
    Steele is a professional politician, not a speaker of succinct truths. It comes with the territory. The Prez isn’t a Republican anyway, so no skin off his nose.
    Now you’ve got me thinking. Is there a worse place than Haiti?
    Behold it’s border. This really is a pure play in the failure of a people. Heck, there’s only 11M people living there. The US could annex the place and put up a tent city in the KVMR lobby. The chubby white people could share their lunches.
    https://blog.kulikulifoods.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/haiti_deforestation.jpg
    as an aside (so Paul, don’t read this part), Haiti strikes me as a worthy of serious study. The history (ethnic, political, economic) of the place vs. it’s next door neighbor fairly cries out for comparison. Of course it’s a s***hole, duh, but just exactly why?

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trump denies he said those words and is backed up by Cotton and Perdue. Only Durbin says he did it. And I don’t think anyone should believe Durbin. But Paul does as usual.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    And Trump is at 46% favorable. Gotta be frosting Paul Emery’s sh**hole.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 318pm et qui ante – Your response to the invitation of my post was predictable and is not a surprise. For those with policy deficits, the Trump Derangement Syndrome is a comforting siren song, absolving the enticed from ever having to consider anything else when it comes to this president and the epoch of his administration. The real tragedy is in the scale of the country’s susceptibility to be diverted from the complex and relevant to the simplistic and spurious. The Left’s decades long manipulation through our schools and the media have produced the population apprehended by Ben Franklin and identified by Steve Allen.

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  31. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    “Trump denies he said those words and is backed up by Cotton and Perdue.”
    Bummer. It amused me to have the President say something that practically everyone thinks. It’s refreshing.
    In any case, it’s pretty hard to govern when everything you say in a private meeting is immediately leaked to the press (or invented and leaked to the press).
    Just imagine sticking a microphone on anybody on this blog over the last few decades and throwing it on youtube. There’s bound to be a few ex-wives out there somewhere.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Do you deny Trump said those words? Also what importance do you give to moral leadership and example for the President of the United States?

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scenes | 12 January 2018 at 03:33 PM
    It amused me to have the President say something that practically everyone thinks. It’s refreshing.

    Indeed! Hated to see him walk them back!

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    What word would LBJ have used in what he thought was a private and closed meeting?

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 334pm – I don’t want to dance this dance with you; for me it is pointless. I have already explained why I wish that Trump did indeed say those words. Read my commentary. Trump is illuminating some added and very necessary dimensions to the nation’s moral leadership; saying what a majority of the people think and say among themselves. It may also herald progress toward the sunset of political bullshit.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Ahhh. Paul’s favorite line these days. ” Do you deni”
    That’s getting real old Paul. Tell ya’ what curmudgeon,, find three other people that says he did. LIB lies come back to bite.
    I sure as hell hope he did. Facts are facts.
    You soapboxed last night about your “friends” who moved here from “over there”. You took offence to “shithole”.. Then why in hell did they leave? Did I miss your response? One leaves for better digs!
    I have been in some third world shitholes in my life.( thanks Uncle Sam.) How bout you Paul? In More than one, you can smell it before you ever see it.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    OK George
    You position ios very clear that it’s ok for Trump to use racist references to express himself. Sad

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  38. Walt Avatar

    One more for Paul,,, Paul!! DO YOU DENY SHITHOLE COUNTRIES EXIST???

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yes

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 12 January 2018 at 03:37 PM
    What word would LBJ have used in what he thought was a private and closed meeting?

    Something colorful I would guess!

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    This was not exactly a private meeting of friends but a meeting of Senators gathered to talk about policy. Not exactly a “locker room” situations.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Thanks Paul for proving you have not a clue about what your talking about. Better buy extra carbon credits. You just exceeded your limit of bovine gases.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So the democrats want to extend the temporary visas of those from Haiti and El Salvador because they say the countries are hell holes and returning there put these people at risk. And then when Trump agrees the countries are shitholes the same democrats complain. Regular Americans get it. We think what Trump stands for as just fine and his policies are great. Liberals and snowflakes are simply in the minority on this.

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  44. Scenes Avatar
    Scenes

    Raheem Kassam Blasts Sky News, Sadiq Khan Over ‘Shithole London’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMoQRaQ-GY

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  45. Walt Avatar

    This is just the next game Proggys want to play. Collusion with Russia failed, so tricky DICK pulls this stunt. Only DICK seems to have heard the words. Still the other “unnamed sources” have yet to back him up.
    This where the sore losers flip over the game board.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 243, there you go again. He didn’t get elected to be the moral leader of the country.
    I do find it interesting to see the 46% on Rasmussen today… probably didn’t catch the SHC brouhaha. Monday will be the next one, released at about 630 Pacific time.
    Let’s celebrate my favorite Somali, Iman, David Bowie’s widow, born in Mogadishu. Somalia may be a SHC but that isn’t a denigration of any particular Somali… just the SH that the country has become.
    Here’s some of a National Review op-ed:

    But that doesn’t mean there aren’t profound geography-related differences in how successful our immigrants are. The UN Human Development Index, the most widely accepted metric for how not like a well — you know what — a given country is, ranks Norway (the country Trump mentioned he wanted more immigrants from), as No. 1 in the world. El Salvador ranked 117th. Haiti was 163rd, and every single one of the 25 countries ranked below it (with the exception of the garden spots of Afghanistan and Yemen) was in Africa. All other things being relatively equal, why shouldn’t we want immigrants from countries with healthy functioning societies that are doing well, people who have grown up enmeshed in strong institutions—rather than some of the world’s most impoverished and dysfunctional places?

    We’re outraged like Donald Trump was when he saw the truly offensive deal conjured up by Senators Graham, Flake and Gardner in conjunction with Democratic leaders that would give mass amnesty (far beyond DACA) in exchange for a pitiful charade of border security. He’s outraged that these senators would betray GOP voters and interests when, even in his weaker moments, he’s always declared (as he tweeted last night) that building a wall, moving to merit-based immigration, and ending the visa lottery and chain migration are mandatory components for the amnesty deal for DACA. The scandal here isn’t Trump’s predictably profane tongue—it’s that Senators Graham, Flake and Gardner would dare to show him this s***hole of an amnesty deal, in blatant defiance of the core issue positions that led the GOP to 100 year-high legislative majorities, and expect him to bless it.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Calling African countries and Haiti Shit holes and comparing the desirability of their citizens as unfit to immigrate to this country with the people of Norway being desirable is totally racist and disgusting. All of RR’s bloggers should condemn Trump rather than support his racism.

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, it was a private meeting. If one was not invited, one did not have a seat at the table. And there were no reporters present, no recordings have surfaced, audio or video.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yes it was private in that it was not open to the public but it was work product related to the President and elected senators. It was funded and provided for by us taxpayers and was official business.

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  50. Walt Avatar

    Paul will only believe Proggys. No matter how big the lie.
    Let’s take a collection for Paul to take a trip to Haiti.
    Just one week should do it. He can report first hand on shitholegate.

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