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'You get less of what you tax more.'  Alan Greenspan, et al

George Rebane

This morning on CSPAN I watched the House finally pass the long-fought tax reform bill, and send the legislation to President Trump for his signature.  The Republicans are breathing a sigh of relief while the Democrats are still breathing fire.  Actually, listening to the last floor debate cum kabuki dance, it is clear that this legislation has made every Democrat politician into a liar and/or a hypocrite.  The death and destruction that they claim the new tax law will rain down on the middle class, the economy, and all the poor people in wheelchairs is countered by their own leftleaning Tax Policy Center and the Brookings Institute.

Both outfits report that 80-90% of Americans will see tax relief, and about 1% will not.  The rest will stay about the same.  America’s small businesses that create the most jobs will definitely see benefits come their way.  Large corporations will be able to start bringing back already taxed overseas profits.  It’s hard to believe what kind of unproductive uses of cash our old tax code has borne over the years – today Microsoft has 95% or $132B cash sitting overseas, and Apple has a mind-boggling $252B or 94% of its cash off-shore.  The Democrats firmly believe that jobs are created by middle class and poor workers hiring each other, and that when those corporate monies come back to America, they will be spent for wine, women, and song in the biggest party ever for the rich.

Cooler and wiser heads know that about $1.5T of that repatriated cash will be spent for business expansion by people who actually know how to build/expand businesses and create jobs, instead of being taxed and spent (aka pissed away) through countless other non-productive government spending programs and regulatory costs.  Everyone who has taken Econ 101 knows that our only hope for keeping the country from going down the fiscal drain is growth and more growth.  And history shows that growth benefits from tax relief, and in capitalist America growth has even occurred in spite of taxes, but never because of higher taxes.

In the meantime, starting with Pelosi and Schumer, the Left has successfully sold the new tax law as a β€œtax scam” to their lamestream media lackeys who have dutifully repeated and reported the same to the public at large.  The bottom line here is that fake news is very much alive and it works.  People who haven’t a clue about what the bill contains believe it to be bad for them.  According to Pelosi, 86M US families will see their taxes increase, and 83% of the benefits will go to the notorious β€˜1%’.  The bald fact is that over 47% of households pay no federal taxes at all, and this bill does nothing to reduce that fraction.

As a measure of how effective fake news is, we read from the latest WSJ/NBC News poll, 37% Americans believe our middle class will now pay more taxes, compared with 16% who believe they will pay less (the rest answered β€˜don’t know’ or β€˜about the same’).  About one third believe that they and their family will pay more tax, compared to one out of six who believe they’ll pay less.  And 56% believe wealthy Americans will pay less tax, to 6% who believe they will pay more.  You can’t make this stuff up; it proves that the nation’s dumbth is manufactured fresh and anew every day when the sun rises.

The Republicans have one hell of a job ahead of them next year to get the message out on their tax reform law; the only wind at their backs will be what the people can actually see in their paychecks and their reduced tax bill (if they pay attention).  And they better see a whole bunch of economic growth before they go to the polls next November.

Stay tuned for the presidential siggy.

[22dec17 update]  Well, the new tax reform act is signed and on the books.  The president did a β€œnot fancy, rush job” signing the bill in the Oval Office with little fanfare, because there was enough of that yesterday.  It was a class act.  The Democrats are panicked out of their minds, hustling around the country telling anyone who would listen that their taxes were just raised, only the rich will benefit, and the economy will plummet taking jobs with it.  This is not exactly the way our trading partners see things.  From all over the world they are publishing sober assessments and informing their citizens that they will now have to travel on a rocky economic road because the American Eagle has had its ties loosened and will now soar again, higher than ever over the competitive world of international commerce.  Joseph Sternberg in β€˜US Tax Reform has Europe Worried’ does an excellent job summarizing what the real impact of the new tax law will be.

But not to worry.  That rocky road can be avoided if EU’s economic giants also lower their corporate taxes to launch an economic boom that will lift the fortunes of all enlightened participants.  And here’s the problem for the socialists on both sides of the Pond – they have all been selling a zero-sum narrative preaching that high taxes don’t influence corporate behavior, and more taxing and regulations are the real pillars of thriving economies and a happy social order.  Reality gives lie to both of these ludicrous propositions.  In the US, our socialists again have nothing to fall back on save the dreadful state of their constituents’ (especially the minorities) ability to comprehend, which has been achieved through their more than half-century control of our public education institutions.  The demagogury of dumbth will reach new pinnacles in 2018; for the Democrats it simply has to, or Chuckie and Nancy will be sent home in tightly zipped political bodybags.

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121 responses to “Sweeping Tax Bill Promotes Fake News (updated 22dec17)”

  1. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    I’ve lately not participated much on RR because I find that what passes here as discourse drags me down. I still read your articles, though, George, and this one is a fine example of why. I greatly appreciate that you tell the truth (at least as I see it.) and even more the way that you tell it. I wish you the merriest Christmas, sir, and the happiest new year, too.

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  2. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Merry Christmas to you too Kesti! JOB JOBS JOBS! It is amazing to see how many corporations whos immediate response was raises, jobs announcements and bonuses to workers! Tax cuts for Christmas were promised and delivered by the Trump administration! It will indeed be a happy new year! πŸ˜‰

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  3. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    It’s important to stress that the tax cuts were rate cuts. The govt doesn’t run on tax rates, it runs on tax amounts. Well – that and a shed load of debt, but that’s another story having to do with spending. After a year of the new tax law, it will be interesting to see the actual amounts collected, the number of folks actually paying taxes and the unemployment rate. Plus, a lot more to see what the full effect is on our economy. Mix into that ‘stuff’ that happens along the way and the normal business cycle and it will make for a really good thesis by a business major.
    Getting rid of the health insurance mandate (assuming that’s true) will probably impact our economy almost as much or more than the tax changes. So far, it looks like a win win, even if it’s not the ideal. It was probably the best one could hope for.

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  4. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    DB at 6:21 – But, but, but, these are the lefties that said they want to pay more taxes! I’m sure the wealthy in Frisco are cheering Trump! He delivers what they claim they want. Right?

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  5. Walt Avatar

    Those that hate the tax cut, can refuse to accept it. Please gladly return the offending extra amount of money.(bet ya’ won’t.)

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  6. Generalissmo Covfefe Avatar
    Generalissmo Covfefe

    What??? The new tax bill is only 472 pages??? Way to simplify the code!!!

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  7. Generalissmo Covfefe Avatar
    Generalissmo Covfefe

    From Brookings,,,hmmm,,,
    β€œThe tax bill is widely and rightly being reported as an enormous giveaway to the very wealthy. Taken as a whole, the passage of this shoddy and regressive bill is a disaster for equity in America. But progressives can take heart in one small but not insignificant policy buried in this debacle: the new cap on the home mortgage interest deduction.
    First, some background. Republicans decided to pass a tax bill without Democratic support, which left them beholden to a particular set of budget rules. To give as big a cut as possible to the very top without violating those budget rules, Republicans are relying on a mishmash of revenue-raising policies. As my colleague Bill Gale has pointed out, the bill is a six trillion dollar tax cut, partially offset with a four-and-a-half trillion dollar tax increase. (So much for the vaunted Republican anti-tax pledge.)”
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/12/20/the-only-good-thing-about-the-tax-bill/

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Down from 90,000 page you fool!

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ 114pm – The Generalissimo is a prisoner of war between the ideologies since he confines himself to lamestream news sources.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh I see. Maybe some waterboarding would help?

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Does anyone on this Blog believe this?
    “I don’t benefit, no,” Trump replied to a reporter who asked him whether he would get a tax cut under the current framework. “My plan is for the working people, and I think very, very strongly, there’s very little benefit [in it] for people of wealth.”

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    do you believe that Don? Does that estimation include the elimnation of the estate tax?

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  13. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    How would the death tax exemption being raised help the President, he would be dead? It was not eliminated like it should have been ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman, despite your claim. Typical faknewsman game. πŸ˜‰

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don,Do you believe Trumps statement that”there’s very little benefit [in it] for people of wealth.” yes or no?

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Stomp your foot and scream why, why, why all you want. You burned your self on your ignorant 805! πŸ˜‰

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I hope there is a lot of benefit in the plan for those that pay the taxes. America!

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  17. Generalissimo Covfefe Avatar
    Generalissimo Covfefe

    Oh my,,,Trump lies again,,,and the true beleivers here lap it up!!!
    http://www.crfb.org/blogs/president-trumps-tax-cut-largest-history-yet

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  18. Generalissimo Covfefe Avatar
    Generalissimo Covfefe

    Hold on one minute!!! Obama averaged 200k job growth per month over his term. Trump is averaging 170k per month.
    Yum Yum!!! Supersize me with some more of those empty Trump lies!!!

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar

    National Review’s Jibran Khan states, “The predictable result is that a false claim β€” Republicans are raising taxes on all but the very rich, full stop β€” has spread like wildfire across Twitter, and has been given added momentum by think tanks, verified accounts, and trending hashtags. This effort has certainly paid off. According to a recent New York Times poll, only a third of Americans believe that they will see their taxes go down in 2018. It should come as no surprise, then, that the bill’s extreme unpopularity is in line with historic tax rises, rather than tax cuts: The majority of people think it’s a hike.
    https://patriotpost.us/articles/53102
    Seems to me this whole thing gets down to those who actually believe it is the government’s primary job to take care of the people (food, housing, clothing, Internet, transportation, sustenance) and those who believe that is not government’s job. Thus, giving government less or more of one’s money is either a good or bad thing, depending on your view of government and whose money is that, government’s or mine?
    The lamestream fakenews Industrial Leftwing Media Complex sounds the alarm that β€œTaxes cuts are the end of civilization as we know it! Repent evil Republicans, repent.
    The nation will be annihilated!” To which Trump responded to the press: β€œYou Need Prayer More Than I Do.”, ROFLMAO.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1223550744445627/?type=3&theater

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  20. Generalissmo Covfefe Avatar
    Generalissmo Covfefe

    Whaaaat??? President Trump says the tax bill will β€˜cost me a fortune’ ???
    Corporation tax proposals
    Taxpayers that conduct their real estate business activities through a C corporation (including a taxable REIT subsidiary of a REIT) will want to take note of several significant provisions. The House Bill would permanently reduce the top corporate federal income tax rate from 35% to 20% for tax years beginning after 2017. The House Bill also would repeal the alternative minimum tax, and would allow indefinite carry forward of NOLs arising in tax years beginning after December 31, 2017. The House Bill would repeal all carrybacks for losses generated in tax years beginning after December 31, 2017. The House Bill would limit the amount of all NOLs that a taxpayer could use to offset taxable income to 90% of the taxpayer’s taxable income (computed without taking into account the NOL deduction) for tax years beginning after December 31, 2017.
    https://taxnews.ey.com/news/2017-1860-real-estate-considerations-on-the-house-tax-reform-bill
    Lies, Lies, and more Lies!!!
    MAGAMAGAMAGA!!!

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  21. Walt Avatar

    I see a peeeved TROLL.
    It can’t even do math. Presidents don’t ” create” jobs. Just the environment for those jobs to prosper.
    Now Trump has “opened” up plenty of job for Americans, by deporting illegals who were taking jobs from Americans. ( what’s the deportation count Dougy?)
    Manufacturing is coming back. So is mining. Tough times for people like Dougy(the TROLL)

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Taxes and the Great Divide, 2017.
    β€œWe were warned on this point long ago by John Adams, who said, β€œThe moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If β€˜Thou shalt not covet’ and β€˜Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
    Democrats have molded their party’s entire philosophy around coveting and stealing.
    Bringing Adams’ thought forward 230 years is David French of National Review, who wrote a scathing reminder to the β€œsnowflakes” out there that, in truth, it’s taxation that’s theft β€” not the just-passed Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. β€œWe’re back to culture war,” writes French. β€œRed and Blue America are once again like ships passing in the night. A conservative hears the language of β€˜theft’ and laughs. I’m not stealing from anyone if I’m allowed to keep more of my own cash. The progressive hears the same word and nods. After all, the government must fund β€˜our’ welfare state, and the more money a person has, the greater the government’s moral and legal claim on his resources.”
    https://patriotpost.us/articles/53101

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar

    I was surprised to hear that Trump pulled a page out of Reagen’s accelerated depreciation, albeit Reagen’s was for just one year. I bought a business vehicle and could write of 33% depreciation instantly for that year. Sweet. No more writing off computers and the like’s depreciation over 5 years…and more. I was so happy I bought 2 more business use vehicles that year. If I understand the new tax bill correctly, one can buy a computers and the like and write them off in full.
    Oh, I like Tim Brown from South Carolina, too. The Left calls him an Uncle Tom, so he must be an independent thinker and a good man.
    The tax cuts will cause genocide in minority communities!
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1224183094382392/?type=3&theater
    The apparent losers are those who do not work much and pay no taxes. Strike that. The losers get a free cash handout, just like being on welfare. The (un)Earnec Income Credit. Pay in zero, get 2-3k back. Sweet deal. Or, just file for the child tax credit.
    The losers appear to be those in the 170k/year tax bracket if they file as employees and take their show on the road. Like welders working on pipelines and hospitals throughout the country and not being able to write off their employee expenses like motel rooms and meals away from home come to mind. Doubling the standard deduction wouldn’t make them pay less. Perhaps it’s time for those traveling β€œemployees” to consider their unreimbursed expenses and consider making some adjustments and file as a business…like many truckers do. Time will tell.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Trump quote re-do:
    “No, I don’t benefit. I don’t benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there’s very little benefit for people of wealth.”
    Does anyone on this blog really believe that?

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Why, why, why? Yes or no, yes or no! Our poppinjay is spinning that record with the scratch on it again. He demands answers. Yes or no!, yes or no, does anyone on the blog believes, scratch, skip, does anyone on this blog believe, scratch, does anyone on this blog believe, skip, does anyone n the blog……yes or no, yes or no, yes or no, does anyone on this blog……
    He is so adorable pounding his spoon impatiently. Patience comes to those who wait.

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Leave it to Paul to bitch about success.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Do you believe Trump Bill ? Simple question Gives us something to talk about

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well this might explain the po’ ol’ fakenewsmans angst-
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/22/lieu-tax-cuts-make-poor-people-jealous/
    πŸ˜‰

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Our LIBs done got “Screwged”. All this GREAT news for all, is BAD news for their politics.
    It’s going to be fun to hear their plees “vote for us” come next election. Just what will be their “we can do SO much better”.?
    Yup,, tough times ahead for the political Lefty.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Judging from the hysteria and the crazy words of the left about the tax reform. My experience says they know it will work so they double down on the hate speech and goofiness.

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Since Mr. Trump’s assets are in blind trusts and he signed over the management of it all to others, Trump is telling the truth about not benefitting. My goodness, you liberals want all the hard working Americans make and no one is ssafe from your confiscations. Except now we have a President that has stopped you fools in your tracks.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Do you believe Trump is truthful when he says:
    “No, I don’t benefit. I don’t benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there’s very little benefit for people of wealth.”
    Does anyone on this blog really believe that?

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Answered that for you already. See my post above yours. Jeeze!

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Hey, what’s all this tax reform noise? Yes, 2/3 of the cuts will go to lowering the corporate rates. That was put out there for all to see in advance. Businesses like my former employers, business like….what I used to do, work my butt off for, and own. Now, today I am just a simpleton who lives in my van down by the river and I still pay taxes. Death is approaching and taxes are knocking at the door. πŸ™‚ With that said, bitching about what the other guy pays (or not pays) is a national pastime since some disgruntled Fauxahonas types threw crates of tea into the Boston Harbor.
    But the real shocker here is that Trump was supposed to be gone by now. Mark the tape! The Pubbers would bail on Trump and he won’t get not one thing ( not one thing!) and he would be forced to resign….months ago. Resign, quit, or be impeached by Russian Collusion or by obstruction of justice, or being associated with his son Junior who committed acts of treason. The Pubbers would bail to save their own necks.
    So, what the heck is Trump doing still tweeting from behind his work desk inside the Oval Office?? Boy, the Lefties and the Non-Profit Industrial Complex lied to me. Liars! Liars! They are a den of liars, I tell ya. They said…blah, blah, blah and to this very hour they are saying blah, blah, blah.
    Now that the RINO Johnnie Come Latelys are on board and claiming to be patriots, it looks like Trump may be around for another week or two. Yes, some of us were Patriots when being patriots was beyond being uncool, but I shall remain β€œmagΒ·nanΒ·iΒ·mous” and say welcome aboard, better late than never. And just in the nick of time. Happy New Year, my long lost friends.
    We will let the Dems and Socialists campaign this fall on refusing to vote for the tax cuts….the tax cuts one single Dem voted for as their constituents noticed an increase in their take home pay….months ago. A sure fire winning strategy, eh Lefties?
    One does not have to endorse Trump. All one needs to do is vote for his policies and agenda.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Answer me, yes or no, yes or no, yes or no! I hear that record skip again, stuck on stupid.
    This is like putting someone in a round room and telling them to piss in a corner. The gift that keeps on coming.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Funny how last year under Obama the demoncrats were all about getting that corporate money repatriated so they could spend it. Now the R’s did it and the left is all about their big lies. Amazing the press has not exposed this.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 113pm – As you have pointed out Mr Tozer, our left-leaning commenters only want to talk about the topics they introduce. And any cursory perusal of these reveals them to be somewhere between superficial and low-grade ore – discussing them neither provides nor involves subjects of national moment that affect how we work, study, play, and garner shekels to assure our futures.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar

    Dr. Rebane @ Dec 22,- 1333
    I agree. No use wasting valuable time and space. When the pupil is ready, the teacher will appear.
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”-Speaking of wasting time and space………β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
    Does anyone on this Blog believe this?
    “I don’t benefit, no,” Trump replied to a reporter who asked him whether he would get a tax cut under the current framework. “My plan is for the working people, and I think very, very strongly, there’s very little benefit [in it] for people of wealth.”
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 December 2017 at 07:37 PM
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
    Don,Do you believe Trumps statement that”there’s very little benefit [in it] for people of wealth.” yes or no?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 December 2017 at 09:43 PM
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”-
    Trump quote re-do:
    “No, I don’t benefit. I don’t benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there’s very little benefit for people of wealth.”
    Does anyone on this blog really believe that?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 December 2017 at 10:38 AM
    β€”β€”-
    Aha! The famous and fabulous Yes or No, yes or no! (Out of sequence, sorry)……..
    β€œDon,Do you believe Trumps statement that”there’s very little benefit [in it] for people of wealth.” yes or no?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 December 2017 at 09:43 PM
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
    Do you believe Trump Bill ? Simple question Gives us something to talk about
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 December 2017 at 11:06 AM
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
    Todd
    Do you believe Trump is truthful when he says:
    “No, I don’t benefit. I don’t benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there’s very little benefit for people of wealth.”
    Does anyone on this blog really believe that?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 December 2017 at 12:59 PM
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”-
    Oh Punchy, you just have to wait til Christmas to open your presents. Rolling eyes and exasperated, Mommie says, β€œOK Paul, you can open one present on Christmas Eve, but just one.. Just one, but you have to wait for Christmas to open the others. Did I make myself clear, young man?”

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Among the left, “corporate” is a proxy for the 1%… so cutting the corporate rate means “the rich benefit”.
    As opposed to the near-poor and middle class schmucks who might have an IRA or 401k that’s invested in stocks and bonds that is getting taxed at rates meant for the filthy rich… before it gets to their IRA/401k… and pension funds like CalSTRS/PERS
    Teachers, cops. Even jerks in the Rude Center and City Halls.

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Okay Bill, Don and Todd I take it you don’t take Trump for his word. All you have to do is say I believe what trump says about how the rich, including Trump, will not profit from the just passed tax plan I mean you don’t even support your own guy which is why Trump will crash and burn in public opinion. If you guys don’t believe what he says than who will?

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Sorry Paul Emery but you are daft. I explained why Trump is correct yet you dismiss it if you even read it. So shut your pie hole and go over to your favorite blog at SFR. Adios bub. We know you believed every single thing Obama said as well as Hillary as you never questioned them in this blog ever. So you are as usual full of it.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    You did not say I support Trumpss statement that his tax cuts will not benefit the wealthy. His blind trusts will be cashed out as soon as he’s no longer President and he will gain all profits from tax breaks for the wealthy. You don’t support Trump anyway so why argue.

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