[Can anyone give a cogent definition of an 'inappropriate sexual advance' or 'sexual harassment' that is accepted by more than two people? If not, then what are we really talking about? gjr]

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239 responses to “Sandbox – 20nov17”
A note to Boardman. My “permit” is known as the 2ND Amendment.
Care to define “just anybody”?
“”if we’re going to permit just about anybody to buy assault rifles and 30-round magazines, “
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Lois Learner fears us in Nevada county.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/20/lois-lerner-wants-irs-testimony-sealed-fearing-death-threats.html#
“Lerner and Paz pointed to comments from Tea Party leader Mark Meckler that the lawsuit would “treat the IRS like the criminal thugs they are.” The court filing argued that his comments have created a “fertile environment where threats” against them have “flourished.” “
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Fresh kitty litter! Here is a lunch tid bit for the haters-
https://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/11/20/u-s-growth-forecasts-are-on-the-rise/
😉
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Poor baby!
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/20/kathy-griffin-complains-shes-unemployable-after-being-blacklisted-from-hollywood-for-trump-photo-scandal.html
😉
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Boardman is continuing his ignorant tirade against the 2nd A.
We could invite him to post here about his latest outburst and he could provide details, facts and reason to bolster his opinion piece published by the Union, but we know that’s not going to happen.
The whole gun-grabbing movement will go forward unabated, with its sails billowing full of hysteria, emotion and misinformation.
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Sandbox opener:
“Can anyone give a cogent definition of an ‘inappropriate sexual advance’ or ‘sexual harassment’ that is accepted by more than two people? If not, then what are we really talking about? gjr]”
Bingo! Yep, unless we get a nice graduated list of offenses and their order of the seriousness of the dastardly deeds, how can we tailor the punishment to fit the crime? Like, ole George H W Bush, spinning around in his wheelchair at 90 years of age, buzzing down the hallways and slapping a 25 year old aid on the caboose as he laughs and heads for the kitchen. Should we fillet him, batter him up and dip him in the deep fryer, remove all reference to him in the annuals of history, of have someone say, “Now George, stop being so frisky for Pete’s sake. Stop it right now.”
Hey, we got everything from involuntary manslaughter in a darn near misdemeanor category to first degree murder and a bunch of degrees on murder in between.
So, without some like of easy to read pamphlet or something, how do I know when it’s time to say, “ Off with their heads” and give t the fatal thumbs down or say “leave the poor smuck alone, he has been punished enough. Spare his life.” Is a text worse than a feel? I would hate to come down to hard on someone who accidentally walked out of the office bathroom with his fly half down…..or was it accidental??? And what about intent? Was this the first time the supervisor walked around with his barn door wide open…or just in front of the new young fine female trainee.
Need a list
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Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 20 November 2017 at 01:00 PM
The whole gun-grabbing movement will go forward unabated, with its sails billowing full of hysteria, emotion and misinformation.
…..and failing wildly everywhere (except California)!
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President Trump has his work cut out for him in his dealings with China.
Chinese Supremacy!
This article, though aimed at a U.S. audience, gives a scary insight into China’s growing economic power.
A Little Known Reality:
In future China will employ millions of American workers and dominate thousands of small communities all over the United States.
Chinese acquisition of U.S. Businesses set a new all-time record last year, and it is on pace to shatter that record this year.
The Smithfield Foods acquisition is an example. Smithfield Foods is the largest pork producer and processor in the world.
It has facilities in 26 U.S. States and it employs tens of thousands of Americans.
It directly owns 460 farms and has contracts with approximately 2,100 others.
But now a Chinese company has bought it for $ 4.7 billion, and that means that the Chinese will now be the most important employer
in dozens of rural communities all over America.
Thanks in part to our massively bloated trade deficit with China, the Chinese have trillions of dollars to spend.
They are only just starting to exercise their economic muscle.
It is important to keep in mind that there is often not much of a difference between “the Chinese government” and “Chinese corporations”.
In 2011, 43 per cent of all profits in China were produced by companies where the Chinese government had a controlling interest in.
Last year a Chinese company spent $2.6 billion to purchase AMC entertainment – one of the largest movie theater chains in the United States.
Now that Chinese company controls more movie ticket sales than anyone else in the world.
But China is not just relying on acquisitions to expand its economic power.
“Economic beachheads” are being established all over America.
For example, Golden Dragon Precise Copper Tube Group, Inc. recently broke ground on a $100 million plant in Thomasville, Alabama.
Many of the residents of Thomasville, Alabama will be glad to have jobs,
but it will also become yet another community that will now be heavily dependent on communist China.
And guess where else Chinese companies are putting down roots?
Detroit. Chinese-owned companies are investing in American businesses and new vehicle technology,
selling everything from seat belts to shock absorbers in retail stores,
and hiring experienced engineers and designers in an effort to soak up the talent and expertise of domestic automakers and their suppliers.
If you recently purchased an “American-made” vehicle, there is a really good chance that it has a number of Chinese parts in it.
Industry analysts are hard-pressed to put a number on the Chinese suppliers operating in the United States.
China seems particularly interested in acquiring energy resources in the United States.
For example, China is actually mining for coal in the mountains of Tennessee.
Guizhou Gouchuang Energy Holdings Group spent $616 million dollars to acquire Triple H Coal Co. in Jacksboro,Tennessee.
At the time, that acquisition really didn’t make much news,
but now a group of conservatives in Tennessee is trying to stop the Chinese from blowing up their mountains and taking their coal.
And pretty soon China may want to build entire cities in the United States just like they have been doing in other countries.
Right now China is actually building a city larger than Manhattan just outside Minsk, the capital of Belarus.
Are you starting to get the picture? China is on the rise. If you doubt this, just read the following:
When you total up all imports and exports, China is now the number one trading nation on the entire planet.
Overall, the U.S. has run a trade deficit with China over the past decade that comes to more than 2.3 trillion dollars.
China has more foreign currency reserves than anyone else on the planet.
China now has the largest new car market in the entire world.
China now produces more than twice as many automobiles as the United States does.
After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, GM is involved in 11 joint ventures with Chinese companies.
China is the number one gold producer in the world.
The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China.
85% of all artificial Christmas trees the world over are made in China.
The new World Trade Center tower in New York is going to include glass imported from China.
China now consumes more energy than the United States does.
China is now in aggregate the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world.
China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined.
China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe.
China produces 3 times as much coal and 11 times as much steel as the United States does.
China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements.
China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of any national defense system.
In published scientific research articles China is expected to become number one in the world very shortly.
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President Trump has his work cut out for him in his dealings with China.
I don’t know why you think Trump has his work cut out for him…….after his 2nd term he gets to go back to being a billionaire. It will be up to the two established political parties to continue selling the country down the river.
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Where is Paul? Has anyone rocked his van today to see if he’s awake?
Hangovers at his age can be real rough.
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Oh no! Another progressive stalwart…….!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them–with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.b453a9018353
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Truly the happiest headline you’ll see today!
All that’s left now is working as a frumpy pantsuit model!
https://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/hillarys-idiot-decisions/
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Nebraska approved the XL Pipeline, it was the last obstacle to finishing the pipe to the coast.
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The XL sure was an eco wet dream for stopping. Good for Nebraska. Charlie Rose? Say what! The guy that admitted he supported Obama just because his pants had a nice crease? Wow! And he is 75 and still doing his naked dance for gals half his age. These kinds of “journalists” are the ones dissing Judge Moore? Oh a NYT reporter same same. Hell next thing we will here is a KNCO person once was diddling a teen girl!
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Gentlemen, gentlemen – will no one step up to the plate and take a swing at an operational definition of ‘sexual harassment’ and/or ‘inappropriate sexual advance’?? Where are the great intellects that frequent these pages? Perhaps one of the ladies who comment here will show us the way with or from a unique perspective of the aggrieved.
Without definitions we just joyously tally the expanding allegations, and are no better than the unnamed gentleman who has regaled us with updated poll results for the last several years. Neither of these approaches have shed more light on their respective areas.
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Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 20 November 2017 at 03:21 PM
The guy that admitted he supported Obama just because his pants had a nice crease?
……David Brooks….token “conservative” at the NY Times.
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Posted by: George Rebane | 20 November 2017 at 03:21 PM
Gentlemen, gentlemen – will no one step up to the plate and take a swing at an operational definition of ‘sexual harassment’ and/or ‘inappropriate sexual advance’??
Neither term has any real meaning George. Sexual Assault is everything from a pat on the ass to forcible rape! Sexual harassment and inappropriate sexual advance are exactly what the accuser needs them to be for any set of circumstances.
I’m going to play the Ben Emery card and refer you to this helpful educational video!
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966?snl=1
I hope it clears up these questions for you!
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1)This warms the cockles of me weary heart:
“There was nothing fast and easy about [negotiations with Ireland in the ’90s]. [Bill] didn’t Tweet about it. He got to work about it and he actually got it done.” —Hillary Clinton (Twitter launched in 2006)
2) Gee, I guess I missed all that tough love.
“I’m trying to make up for the fact that I think I was too tough on [Bill] Clinton.” —MSNBC’s Chris Matthews reflecting on the change of heart other media figures are having re: Clinton’s sex scandals
3) Never change, Democrats, I am begging you, never change. And quit asking where are all the white women . Yes, that means you, too, Uncle Joe.
Wow, like I never heard that one before.
“It’s one of the most dangerous times in modern history. I think that there have always been voices in our country — and particularly in the 19th and 20th century in Europe — that have always tried to take advantage of pain and change. Do you think [Trump] really cares about the kids I grew up with in Scranton, Pennsylvania as far as their economic well-being?” —Joe Biden
4) Drum roll please……..
“Radio host Leeann Tweeden came forward and said Sen. Al Franken groped her without her consent. And she posted a photo as evidence. In fact, it’s so bad Franken’s already a front runner for president in 2020.” —Jimmy Fallon
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Sexual harassment and inappropriate sexual advances are like porn, you know it when you see it.
Harassment is, in my mind, mostly verbal but could include leering, gestures, rubbing or pinching butts, etc. The example I am thinking of would be the stereotypical construction workers cat calls, whistles, sort of stuff.
Inappropriate sexual advances are where physical contact occurs in more of a foreplay mode, like forced kissing, or fondling, etc. in more of a private setting.
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Timely!
https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/11/20/154150
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Sexual Harassment? If you watch this you will see what it is today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErlkUyHY5c
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What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall,,,Roy Moore???
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No it is L Cluedarino
Watch out the cops are after you.
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Good Doctor @ 3:21 pm.
Hold your horses there, Doc. You sound like Punchy all pent up with frustrated sexual tension. What, you can’t wait to talk about when boy meets girl? Can’t wait the hear the details, all the ins and outs, eh? That’s all what you males think about anyway, so here goes….but first the disclaimer:
1). Since the libs own the media and the entertainment industries, it only seems logical (and most reasonable to assume) that the accused in the above industries are disproportionately represented as the poster boys of sicko pervs. Like, they won the gold medal in the Sexual Harasser Competion….their competitors are so far behind left in the dust that it will take many moons for them to catch up. Turn on the boob tube, you are going to hear about the “gag me with a spoon” icky stuff some male liberal or some male Dem lubber did to a single white female. Sick shit and no need to wonder what the common denominator is….libs. Rich libs. Filthy rich evil male libs! Disclaimer over.
Dr Rebane, I will start here to take a stab at it.
“Much has been made … of Louis C.K.‘s public apology for exposing himself and masturbating in front of women. While most of the attention has been focused on the imbalance of power … very little has been said about his rather bizarre behavior and its origins. … Some men have become so used to watching pornography that it is easier for them to handle matters on their own. These men don’t need actual physical contact with a woman — having her sit on the other side of the room works just fine. … Even in a culture where consent is the only consideration in sexual encounters, it is still useful for men and women to have reasonable expectations of one another. And just as most men probably don’t want to be compared to porn stars, most women don’t want to be treated like them.” —Independent Women’s Forum senior fellow Naomi Schaefer Riley
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Posted by: L Cluedarino | 20 November 2017 at 04:24 PM
What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall,,,Roy Moore???
What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the
mallWhite House…..Bill ClintonWhat is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at
the mallNew York PBS…..Charlie RoseWhat is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at
the mallon an airplane…..Al FrankenWhat is the working definition of an older man
stalking teenage girls at the mallshuffling around the trailer in an adult diaper……Doug KKKeachie.LikeLike
I guess the dems going full blown left wing has hit its funding, Antifa and BLM are not putting their moms money where their mouth is. You can only sneak out of the basement and raid the couch for change so often. Almost half from donations under $200.00.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/rnc-raised-9-million-october/
😉
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Fish
Correct me if I’m wrong but Monica Lewinsky was in her 20’s- I believe 22- when she was an intern at the White House. Obviously not a teenager.
Also what was the age of the women you claim Al Franken stalked on an airplane?
Lindsay Menz was in her 20’s.
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@ J. Smith. Leave Us construction workers out of this.
We have licence to “look” and “catcall”. It goes with the territory, and is expected of us.
Do you forget our place in society?
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 November 2017 at 04:56 PM</i.
Allow me some poetic license when dealing with the manic Bun Bun Punch.
Regardless, any female who can be used to further the aims of the democratic party is by definition a helpless waif, babe in the woods, the innocent fruit of America youth!
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Apparently, according to Kellyanne Conway, whether or not sexual advances/harassment/misbehavior matters or not depends on how you will vote. After saying that “Whatever the facts end up being, the premise, of course, the principle, the incontrovertible principle, is that there is no Senate seat worth more than a child,” in reference to charges against Roy Moore. She has changed her mind. Now she says that voters should ignore that Moore is a child molester because ‘we” (referring to wealthy donors not hard working Americans) need his vote to pass the tax bill. “I’m telling you that we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through,” said Conway. How quaint. Morals don’t count when there is money to be made, which seems to sum up the new grifter economy of the Trump presidency quite well.
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Allow me some poetic license with the careless handling of HTML code!
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Posted by: Robert Cross | 20 November 2017 at 05:09 PM
Morals don’t count when there is money to be made, which seems to sum up the new grifter economy of the Trump presidency quite well.
Said every big money democrat donor ever!
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Yeah…..I forgot about that guy!
Oh well……given their huge numbers it’s tough to keep all the democrat sexual harassers straight!
http://www.trbimg.com/img-57cd0698/turbine/sdut-daily-show-bob-filner-single-worst-sentence-summer-2013aug16
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/11/20/the-hits-keep-coming-rep-diana-degette-says-bob-filthy-filner-sexually-harassed-her-too/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget
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MyghtyFishy,,,didn’t get enough gold fish flakes??? nobody is saying Libs are denying anything you say,,,Libs admit. Twisted up little partisan prolls like your ilk cannot admit that a DA trolling the malls for teens is a little bizzarro.
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OK folks, Anyone been keeping score? From what I read, there is only one guy saying “F U!!!! I didn’t do it!” Moore has stuck to his guns. And at this time, said “evidence” has yet to be forked over!( the yearbook a fake, and they know it? The gamble did pay off.)
Is the ruling class above this kind of smear? You tell me..
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OHH what will be next? How the rich and powerful treat their servants? It’s honest to goodness slavery?
Look at all the collusion that’s taken place to keep womanizing under wraps.
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Paul Emery, what does the age of the gal have to do with it? It is all about power. Like your power over the little secretarys in the office.
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Paul, Monica in the beautiful blue dress and tong beneath was 19 years old as an intern,
When Bubba used her maidenhood as a cigar humidor. 20 years old when the story broke, and then 21 and know she be a beautiful woman who was once young, dumb, impressable, and under the spell of the most powerful man on earth, FYI. She might have been18 going on 19 she first landed the gig at the White House. Bubba said her breasts were too small, like Hillary’s.
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Typos. Monica was 19 when Bubba was sitting in church on Easter Sunday with the First Family when he abruptly left to have the chrome sucked off his trailer hitch bal in the Oral Office, leaving his teen daughter and First Lady to sit throug the sermon.
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Well teenagers are teenagers so it does make a difference. Should be more accurate.
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Posted by: L Tardarino | 20 November 2017 at 05:35 PM
You’re awfully defensive for a bunch of guys who have already admitted to these bad acts!? “Libs admit”….they sure do Keach, they sure do! 25 years after the fact and after sullying the reputations of the victims! But hey…..you guys ar the party of “The Woman”……did you pull a Nina Burleigh and offer to orally satisfy the last democratic presidential candidates husband!
Anyway Keach I’m already on record as saying that Moore won’t be…and shouldn’t be seated as senator so your beef is really with the voters in Alabama!
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Delightful…..
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/11/20/lets-all-savor-the-democrats-pervgate-pain-n2411633
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 November 2017 at 06:26 PM
Should be more accurate…….
Screwing up or manufacturing the details is practically a requirement for todays modern news or radio spokeshole Punch! NBC setting GMC pickups on fire, Brian Williams lying about “….rounds coming into the airframe”, Stephen Glass of “The New Republic” and local SacBee fabulist Diana Griego-Erwin just plain making shit up….sterling examples of ethical journalism!
A little latitude for us amateurs!
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Yeah Keach…..”Libs admit”.
ANOTHER woman accuses Franken of grabbing…
SILENCE OF THE DEMS…
WHISPERS: NO RESIGNATION, NO OUSTER CALLS COMING…
#seniledementia
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MY oh my.. them, fish sho is jumpin’
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Fish. That was CBS and Ford Pickups. Could not get the trucks to catch fire and explode oon impact before the cameras, so they rigged an explosive devise on the evil Ford Pickups. Fix Or Repair Daily, Found On the Road Dead, or First On Race Day. Multiple choice, you decide.
Punchy, Punchy, Punchy.
The latest accuser NOT FUNNY Steward Smilley Franken is of import. He was sitting US Senator in 2010. No worries. This coming out of the closet thang is just a passing fad and then the Dems can get back to yelling and screaming that Trump wants to throw Mama from the train and grap her putang as she is pushed to her death.
I think there are matters of degrees we have barely touched on. Groping a co-worker vs groping a suborinate or captive audience. Felling her up vs putting your hand down here, or grabbing her hand and putting on your warty tool.
——-If Moore is lyiing, he should have copped to it and said instead, “Was a horn dog once, but since I met, fell in love with, and married the most wonderful beautiful woman in the world, all that behavior stopped. We raised a family, are crazy about our grandkids, and I am still madly in love with my wife.after all these many many years. She is the best thing that ever happened to me.”
If Roy is being slimed and innocent, he should scream to high heaven he is being framed and they are bearing false witness against him. Which he is doing. I dunno. I don’t have a say in Alabama.
Let’s cut the crap. The Dems are going to throw Bubba under the bus and say, “See, we went after Bill and Huma’s husband and Charlie Rose, the the NYT guy, Big Kahuna Weinstein, and all these people….so we are now justified to do what we really want to do, which is called Plan B.
Plan A was the Trump-Putin collision story, but that unravel and fizzled out. A dud. . Plan B is to tie Moore to Trump and go after Trump on the sexual assault story. Hype it 24/7, shout it from the mountain tops, have the town crier proclaim it at midnight in the town square…..that Trump, Donald J Trump, preys on women and now we can impeach him! Hip, hip, hooray.
Sure, some coming forward had some person of power, prestige, and fame chase them around the desk or toss them on the casting couch have nothing to do with Trump or politics. But politics will in time the Leftists (after a few Sacred Cows are sacrificed on the Lib Alter) zero in on Trump. They want Trump taken down. If Russian collusion won’t work, shocking sexual accusations will. We are just watching Plan B unfold during this perfect moment and accuser movement.
Last thing. At first I said within myself that Not Funny Franken grabbed a boob and that is a relatively minor offense compared to these other Hollywood and media stories. Maybe calling him to resign is over the top, the punishment too severe. But, then I have reconsidered. Franken is such a coward, he fondled a woman’s breasts while she was zonked out from exhaustion on a long plane ride home.
That’s chicken shit. Like molesting a mentality disabled woman or slipping her a mickey and have his way with her. The woman was asleep or passed out. Franken could not get a date, couldn’t get a girlfriend, could not find a woman who did not want to vomit at the though of Al shoving his tongue down their throat….so he waited until she was asleep to fondle her, like a friggin Necrophiliac. Sick. He never gave her a chance to slap him in , the face and reject him and push him away as so many others probably have done to Weird Al Yankhertits.
Georgie Porgie…..kissed the girls and made them cry. When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie Franken ran away.
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Punctuationally challenged @733 oh cross one. 😉
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Bill writes ” Monica was 19 when Bubba was sitting in church on Easter Sunday with the First Family when he abruptly left to have the chrome sucked off his trailer hitch bal in the Oral Office, leaving his teen daughter and First Lady to sit throug the sermon.
How was that possible Bill? She was born on July 23, 1973. Lewinsky stated that between November 1995 and March 1997, she had nine sexual encounters in the Oval Office with then-President Bill Clinton. Doing simple math that would make her 22 at the time not 19. Where did you get those numbers Bill ?
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Its good to see the po’ ol’ party parrot is sticking to the script @ 746. So it was only every other month with the intern and the married slick willy, well that makes it ok. You do leave the question on the table about who was filling in the other weeks!? 😉
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Paul Emery if the age of consent in a state is 16 do you agree or not that the gal is legally able to have sex with whomever she wants?
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