[Lots to talk about, but my attention is still on education which for the average American student is getting dicier by the year. Here is a bit on the new fad of dual enrollment programs which have high school seniors taking courses also form local community colleges, the longer term benefit of which has yet to be demonstrated. gjr]
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210 responses to “Sandbox – 17oct17”
So you want AIDS to go unreported and reviewed? We quarantine many infectious diseases so what makes HIV different?
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Do you contend Todd that those with AIDS should be quarantined ?
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PaulE 1117am – You again answered a perfectly legitimate question about your 1042am with another question. That tactic powers a lot of meaningless meanderings in these comment streams. How about answering ToddJ since you brought up the whole subject of quarantining in the first place?
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Aids is for life Todd. Quarantining would amount to a life time confinement. Do you support that ?
I do not believe in a nationwide registry (reporting) of those inflicted with Aids.
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So what makes AIDS different than the other maladies that can be spread?
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answered 11:36
Flu can be spread Tod. Should those with Flu be quarantined or registered?
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Do you believe those with Hepatitis or STD’s such as herpes should also be registered and quarantined?
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Ebola, Hep A and C, and here is the WEB MD link with a bit of info.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/quarantine-isolation
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Re AIDS – If the disease is “for life” as Paul’s 1128am asserts, then I wonder how is the spread of the disease controlled other than the honor system practiced by the infected. Specifically, should there be any criminal liability on the part of the self-aware and confirmed infected spreading the disease to an unsuspecting ‘partner’? This question becomes doubly important if the treatment of AIDS is a public cost.
To me confounding this discussion with injection of short term maladies like the flu does not served to debate public policy on longterm debilitating maladies like AIDS.
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That process must then be extended to all diseases that are “for life” so to speak. Are you willing to consider that as well?
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Following up on your 11:44 link Todd, is this what you propose for those with Aids, Hep b and C etc?
What does it mean to be quarantined? People who have been exposed to an infectious disease and may be infected but are not yet ill may be quarantined. That is, they may be asked to remain at home or another location to prevent further spread of illness to others and to carefully monitor for the disease.
During quarantine people are able to do most things they can do indoors within the constraints of the location they are at. For example, if people are asked to stay at home then they would usually be asked to take their own temperature and report daily to health authorities on how they are feeling. They are given instructions on what they can do and not do around family members and are informed of other disease precautions.
If they are asked to stay in a place away from home they are provided with meals, sleeping accommodations, and other necessities. They would stay there until the risk of developing the disease or spreading the disease is over.
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Paul Emery there you go again putting intent and words in others mouths. Tell us, Paul Emery, what would be your direction for the 1919 Spanish Flu? Would you have confined the people that got it before it spread?
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re PaulE 1155am – Note that Paul has confounded ‘for life’ diseases with ‘for life and infectious’ diseases. Why should quarantine be extended to uninfectious and/or infectious non-debilitating short-term diseases?
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Emergency situations are one thing Todd. Aids is for life and you are contending they should be quarantined. All you have to say is those with Aids should not be quarantined. How about it Todd-Yes or no.
” We quarantine many infectious diseases so what makes HIV different?”
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George
You know what I’m talking about. I never contended quarantine for non infectious diseases. How about your view. Should those with Aids be quarantined for life?
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PaulE 1221pm – Not at the present rate of the spread of AIDS, but I would make the law clear for all long-term infectious and debilitating diseases that if you know you have it and pass it on to an unwitting recipient, you are culpable and liable for civil and/or criminal penalties – i.e. the unwitting recipient has recourse. However, any infectious debilitating disease, the spread of which we don’t understand and/or control, that is spreading beyond a TBD threshold rate, is definitely a candidate for quarantine. For example, societies did that (i.e. lifetime quarantine) with leprosy before the nature and control of the disease became known.
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What a waste of space by the po’ ol’ fakenewsman above.
The Senate passed the budget and now its tax cuts galore ahead. No more sequester! Thank God. 😉
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DOW 23,328. 😉
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Oh Paul Emery, I have not taken a position on this but simply asked you some questions. Your strategy is always the same and quite boring. What makes HIV different than other infectious diseases? Pretty simple. And would you agree or not that a disease that kills the recipient is dangerous to allow with the population?
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To answer your question you have to define what “allow with the population” means is regard to HIV. Do that and I’ll gladly answer.
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Freedom to be within the population with an infectious disease.
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George re your 12:28
Thanks for your thoughtful response to a complex Does ” liable for civil and/or criminal penalties” imply federal law and require an national registry that your doctor would be legally responsible to report to ? How does that effect patient-doctor confidentiality?
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Just as I said, Paul Emery is unable to answer questions. Boring person.
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Geeze, Paul, what a fertile imagination you have when inventing implied conclusions to ask about… utter BS intended to lead to something you could denounce.
GR, that Other Voices caught me by surprise (a good one) as I hadn’t gotten the usual call to insure I wrote it (I did) and intended it for publication (ditto).
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Well that would include Hep and Aids and would involve quarantine and isolation from the population so I’d say no. You’ve answered my question as well that you support quarantine and isolation for those with HIV. Would you be willing to knock on Magic Johnson’s door and escort him to a relocation isolation center?
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PaulE 147pm – When it comes to being a public contaminant and carrier of a deadly disease, patient-doctor confidentiality takes a back seat. Kinda the same for being a confirmed (i.e. convicted) sexual predator – your previous confidentiality with your therapist/psychologist no longer is an issue; community safety is, and you show up on all kinds of databases and enjoy restricted living spaces and passage.
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so your doctor could be required by law to report patients who have HIV to a government registry. Would this be a State or Federal requirement?
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Thinking now about these things I would support.
Pedophiles would be castrated and more than one victim they get the death sentence
Murderers get the electric chair, one appeal only
Drug dealers of kids, public pillory, and hanging
Infectious disease carriers, quarantine till no longer infectious
Rapists of women, castrated
Rapists of men, same as for women
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PaulE 219pm – Remember, I said in my 1228pm that all of this reporting and registering would kick in after such a disease becomes ‘sufficiently’ (TBD by CDC say) widespread and uncontrolled. Since interstate travel is not restricted, I suppose it would have to be a federal law.
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Here you go, boys.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/19/murder-insurance-or-protection-in-self-defense-cases/
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“You’ve answered my question as well that you support quarantine and isolation for those with HIV. Would you be willing to knock on Magic Johnson’s door and escort him to a relocation isolation center?”
Bizarre. Absolutely bizarre. You’ve obviously been taking lessons in Brownian Logic from Keachie, Paul, or perhaps your cognitive skills are weakening with age.
Otherwise, please deconstruct my words into your conclusions using whatever you use for logic, formal or informal.
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Posted by: George Boardman | 20 October 2017 at 03:31 PM
“Feeding on racial divisions”? Sounds like somebody is upset that the insurance industry is cutting in on the democrats action!
Think Igor Volsky should be called out for blatant racism? After all…..it looks like the only people he thinks commit criminal acts are minorities.
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“The coverage kicks in if a court finds the person lawfully shot someone in self-defense or the case is dropped.”
Bored Georgeman, how would that be “murder insurance”?
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Those darn insurance companies seem t always be practicing capitalism, don’t they.
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Thanks George for the respectful conversation.
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Nevada City Buying My Parents House
I picked up the Union at the SPD yesterday and discovered that Nevada City was buying the house, my parents, Burt and Margaret Steele built in 1939, the year after I was born.
The full story is at Sierra Foothill Commentary: https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com
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Gregory
Todd is on record as supporting quarantine for those with HIV since it is not curable except in rare cases but is treatable.
He also expanded on several other legal repercussions for various things. Here’s the list he provided.
“Pedophiles would be castrated and more than one victim they get the death sentence
Murderers get the electric chair, one appeal only
Drug dealers of kids, public pillory, and hanging
Infectious disease carriers, quarantine till no longer infectious
Rapists of women, castrated
Rapists of men, same as for women”
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So now the bitch is insurance for gun owners who may need to defend themselves… AFTER they defend themselves.
We already buy insurance for everything else these days, so what’s the real bitch?
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Todd
What is the penalty for women who rape men?
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I doubt you need to worry about that Paul.
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Boardman has a history of losing his intelligence whenever the subject of fire arms comes up.
Does Boardman have home owners insurance? By his reasoning, he obviously intends to have folks injured (perhaps seriously or even fatally) on his property.
What a guy!
No insurance can protect against criminal liability.
‘Murder insurance’ – only a total idiot would buy that BS.
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To LIBS and black LIBS,, anything and everything is racist.
Even if they have NEVER heard the term.
“For her own part, Rep. Wilson said that the “empty barrel” comment is specifically racist, even though she also admitted she had never heard the term before.”
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/leftists-criticize-gen-kelly-for-racist-attack-on-rep-wilson-video/
I sure love the “all hat and no cattle” phrase that was used too.
Has she even seen a cattle ranch? I’m sure she would equate that to slavery as well.
We have a few “empty barrels” of our own. Bunhole, Paul, and an occasional Steve.
They make a bunch of noise, but produce nothing when the lid is opened.
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The Gen. was right.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/fact-check-is-empty-barrel-a-racist-term/
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Oh Walt – it’s proven fact that any time you criticise anyone in the ‘disadvantaged community’ you are a racist. And Lord knows that woman is mentally disadvantaged.
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Walt @ 5:00 pm.
Well, add “empty barell” to the list. The list just keeps getting longer and longer. I would have called her a water buffalo myself. From 2011
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/05/17/7-of-the-most-ridiculous-cries-of-racism-ever-made-n1250056
Dr. Ben Caron once did an exploratory on Rep. Wilson’s brain. As Dr, Caron was doing his prosecure to see what in the heck was wrong with Rep. Wilson, Frederica yelled to Dr. Carson to quit repeating himself. The renowned brain surgeon pulled down his respirator and answered, “I’m not.”
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1187215051412530/?type=3&theater
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Here is that crazy woman’s District.
Florida’s 24th congressional district
FL24 115.png
Florida’s 24th congressional district – since January 3, 2017
Current Representative Frederica Wilson (D–Miami)
Area 115[1] sq mi (300 km2)
Population (2015) 745,862
Median income $38,016
Ethnicity
37.53% White
55.15% Black
1.92% Asian
32.41% Hispanic
0.07% Native American
3.47% other
Cook PVI D+34[2]
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Here is the voter registration totals
As of November 2016:
Democrats: 253,606 (64.99%)
Independents: 89,084 (22.83%)
Republicans: 43,218 (11.07%)
Others: 4,264 (1.09%)[3]
I wonder if this is a gerrymandered district? Ya think?
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Bill. Water Buffalo? I’m going with caped buffalo.
The water buff is a real gentle critter. And we can make pizza cheese from it’s milk!
Now the caped buff on the other hand would kill ya’ on sight if it gets the chance.
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cape
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Todd
More important than where she lives is Big Fred Riding Hood’s voting record.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/937993906350832/?type=3&theater
Don’t matter what the grieving widow says. She is now just a tool now for the liberals, to be cast aside and spit on at a later date. She is just another victim of Democrat Party abuse. Just like Cindy Sheehan. Once the driveby fakenews crews pack up the cameras and leave, she is no longer needed….or useful.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/938282536321969/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/938282536321969/?type=3&theater
Big Fred Riding Hood.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/937806926369530/?type=3&theater
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