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17 October 2017

[Lots to talk about, but my attention is still on education which for the average American student is getting dicier by the year. Here is a bit on the new fad of dual enrollment programs which have high school seniors taking courses also form local community colleges, the longer term benefit of which has yet to be demonstrated. gjr]

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210 responses to “Sandbox – 17oct17”

Bill Tozer

18 October 2017

Debbie wants her laptop back real bad, Susan Rice is branded a liar everywhere she goes, Huma had 1,400 State Department e-mails and stuff on Carlos Danger’s laptop, Comey colluded to make sure Hillary waked, Obama really was bugging Trump Towers by corrupting out Intel apparatus, and now that wack job wingnut Congresswoman with her ever present dime store plastic cowboy hat is replacing Aunt Maxiepad as the face and voice of the Democrat Party. Man, she looks like an over the hill street hooker. Will wonders never cease.

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Bill the Tozer

18 October 2017

“Just think, in the last few weeks the Left has ruined the NFL, late night TV, and the Boy Scouts. In the last few years they’ve severely damaged campus free speech and academic freedom, the private health care market, military readiness, and local law enforcement. Their judges have seized control over immigration, aspects of national security, and marriage. Meanwhile, the Left is increasingly violent (Antifa, Black Lives Matter, etc.) and the media are increasingly brazen in their leftist propagandizing and cheerleading. It seems to me the rest of us should be taking a knee to protest this insanity.”

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Gregory

19 October 2017

This covers the Russian uranium story well
http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/team-obamas-stunning-coverup-of-russian-crimes/

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BunBun

19 October 2017

All is suspiciously quiet on the western front as ryghties hunker down to cover their assets from Niger-Ghasi fallout. Where was the support from Trump? Coverup?

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Bill Tozer

19 October 2017

More from the New York Post. Corruption in the Tower of Power.
http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-controversial-nuclear-deal/
Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Clinton Foundation to return the 142 million the Russians funneled to the Foundation after the TWO deals went down.
“The feds also learned that Russian nuclear officials had gotten millions of dollars into the US designed to benefit the Clinton Foundation at the same time then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government committee that signed off on the deals, sources told The Hill.
When Donald Trump slammed Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016 over the sale, her spokesman said she was not involved in the committee review and that the State Department official who handled it said she “never intervened . . . on any [committee] matter.”
Hmm. Served on the committee that approved the deal while Sec of State. Says it wasn’t me, it was the committee that I served on and had no involvement with that is responsible for What Happened. Priceless. Classic Clinton…..and Obama.

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BunBun

19 October 2017

Go to gold! Go to gold! Donnie, Donnie,,,get ready to pull the plug,,,!!!
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mnuchin-taxes-stock-market-20171018-htmlstory.html
MAGAMAGAMAGA
Tomorrow is fish day…

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fish

19 October 2017

Posted by: BunBun | 19 October 2017 at 07:42 AM</i.
Everyday is fish day KeachKeach….for I stride the earth like a giant winged lizard!

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fish

19 October 2017

Giant winged lizard or not I seem to have a remarkable amount of difficulty with simple HTML code!

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

I see Bunnyboy did not read the full quote and is now a purveyor of “fake news”. Good job destroying the liberals creds there BunnyBoy. Thanks.

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Bill Tozer

19 October 2017

Freaky Frederica. Let’s look at Big Red Fred Riding Hood’s record, shall we. Actions speak louder than words. With friends like that, who needs enemas?
“It turns out that U.S. Rep. Frederica Wilson has frequently voted against measures intended to help veterans and their families, according to VoteSmart.org, a vote-tracking site whose founding board members included former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.
The measures that Wilson opposed included a bill that could have ensured that families of four soldiers slain in Afghanistan in 2013 received death and burial benefits.
Despite Wilson’s claim to be “committed to honoring our service members, not only with words but with deeds,” she has voted against most bills ensuring continued funding for veteran benefits, including payments to widows of fallen soldiers, the vote-tracking site shows.
She has also opposed measures designed to improve the Department of Veterans Affairs.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/19/florida-democrat-wilson-no-friend-veterans-vote-record-shows.html

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

Liberals just are a bit too late on this one.
One can always depend on a liberal to try and change the meaning of a word or activity to suit their bias. The horse is out of the barn and America has decided these players are disrespecting the flag and the anthem and the country. You can flap you gums all you want but the facts are against your position. Larive was spot on. The players don’t even know what they are protesting as we have seen that evolve as the pressure on them has increased. And there is no “free speech” rights as a employee in America. The First Amendment is there to keep the government from abridging that right. Not a private employer. Liberals are reacting emotionally not factually. The facts are against the allegations of cops hunting blacks and killing them in disproportionate numbers. The FBI statistics prove otherwise. And by a huge margin. As far as racial issues in society? Look at the statistics and then answer the question. Why are 40-50 percent of all inmates in America from the African-American race? They are only 13% of the population. Could it be they are committing the crimes and are being arrested for them? And then prosecuted? And most of the crime is against other African-Americans. Of course just for writing that I will be attacked but I don’t care. The facts back me up. So instead of kneeling against the greatest, freest country on the planet, these players should fan out into the inner cities and help their fellow people. But that is not what liberals do. They just complain and divide us.

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Walt

19 October 2017

Where is Paul?!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/19/sanders-sure-youll-pay-more-in-taxes-but-youll-get-free-stuff-video/
Funny,,, the “Burn”,, doesn’t tell you just how much “more” you will be forced to fork over, for all that “free” stuff.
50% of your income? 60%?
Watch how fast people demand to get paid under the table.

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George Rebane

19 October 2017

For something lighter, check out this new squeaky clean comedy sensation described here –
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-comedy-show-thrives-by-avoiding-vulgaritiessuch-as-the-word-gosh-1508342560
shown here –
https://www.youtube.com/user/BYUTelevision

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larry wirth

19 October 2017

‘Scuse me, Paul, but weren’t Julius and Ethel Rosenburg executed for treason? Something about transmitting atomic secrets to the Soviets during peacetime?
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larry wirth

19 October 2017

Or were they, maybe innocent and just electrocuted for fun?

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

Bill O’Reilly’s take on the kerfuffle with that loony democrat Congressman.
“The sad and strange story of Army Sgt. LaDavid Johnson is in the No Spin spotlight today.
On October 4, the Sergeant and three other American military people were killed in Niger, Africa fighting ISIS terrorists. US forces are deployed around the world to help countries defeat the ISIS savages.
Yesterday, President Trump called the Sergeant’s widow in South Florida to offer condolences. Unbeknownst to the President, Congresswoman Fredericka Wilson, a big Trump critic, was listening in on the call.
No surprise, the democratic politician almost immediately called CNN to castigate the President for being insensitive to the grieving family.
Mr. Trump tweeted that Ms. Wilson fabricated the contents of the call, and since the White House may have taped the phone correspondence, the situation could be clarified in short order.
But no clarity is needed for the hate-Trump media which immediately reported the Congresswoman’s allegations as truth, obviously trying to besmirch the President.
I don’t know what was said and neither does any other member of the press. But this whole thing has the look of a setup, does it not?
We’ll have more on the story tonight on the No Spin News, where you can count on getting the honest story!”

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Gregory

19 October 2017

The Rosenburgs were convicted of Espionage, not Treason.

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

You beat me to it Gregory

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

Larry
Here’s a list of all the Treason convictions in our history
Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
John Fries, the leader of Fries’ Rebellion, convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.
Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown’s raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner’s March with the coal companies and the US Army on Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.[11]
Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
Iva Toguri D’Aquino, who is frequently identified by the name “Tokyo Rose,” convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
Mildred Gillars, also known as “Axis Sally”, convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

Would it not then say that Hillary used espionage to give the Uranium to the Rooskies? If not what would that be called? Or Bill Clinton giving the rocket schematics to the Chicoms?

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

Seems to me that common sense says that “espionage” leads to a traitor. If you are spying and supplying stuff for the enemy that would be a traitorous act, correct?

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Gregory

19 October 2017

Todd and Paul, can’t you two get a room somewhere? Seek some privacy?
Todd, there is often nothing more nonsensical than “common sense”.

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Bill Tozer

19 October 2017

“William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War”
Very interesting. More stuff for my Encyclopedia of Worthless Information. Better than talking about the Obama-Hillary collusion with the dastardly Rooskies for personal enrichment. That $500,000 speaking fee Bubba gave to the Muscovites while Hillary was Sec of State went right into their joint checking account. And yes, it’s all a conspiracy theory by the Great Right Wing Conspiracists that O has passing cards under the table, scheming about selling our strategist metals…to the Russians Are Coming. “Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!”, as Gomer Pyle, USMC, would say.
To be fair, many Presidents desired between relationships with the treaded Russians. Reagen with the Soviets and Mr. Gorbachev, W with his see into his heart, Obama with his Russian reset button that HRC made look like a B Movie prop for a skit. Hmmm. No one raised a cacophony of wails and screams of bloody murder until Trump said it would be nice to have better relations with The Russians.
Let the “must not go there” continue. I would hang HRC and Obama, but then some mini-minded Social Justice Warrior Snowflake would say it was not hanging, but a White Supremacist was lynching a Blackman….again! Racist murderer hell bent on genocide of all POC and all that stuff.
Nah, I would fry them on the electric chair. Hey not. They said Global Warming was going to fry us like a twinkle at the Iowa State Fair, do frying the pair would be a matter of moving up the calendar. Just imagine Hillary’s melon bouncing up and down like a bobble head on the front dash. And both O and My Gal’s eyes would be really bugging out. And the smoke rising from her ears. Oh, one can only dream of such matters.
That reminds me. Just got a new idea for my politically incorrect Halloween costume.

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Bill Tozer

19 October 2017

As Walt said last night….”The plot thickens.”
Popinjays say “Must not look that way, must not go there.”
Toensing said her client was asked by the FBI to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) to prevent him from talking to Congress, and has memos showing how the Obama Justice Department threatened him when he attempted to file a lawsuit to recover monies Russians stole from him and which could have drawn attention to the Russian corruption during the 2016 election.
The department threatened to bring a criminal case against him for violating the NDA, she said. The Hill also said it obtained emails from a civil attorney working with the witness that described the pressure the department was exerting on him to stay quiet.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/18/attorney-fbi-informant-was-blocked-by-obama-administration-from-testifying-on-uranium-one-deal/

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George Rebane

19 October 2017

Treason: the de facto definition of treason, according to many dictionaries, is “the crime of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.” The de juris definitions of treason vary according to the predilection of lawyers in various jurisdictions (e.g. countries). It seems to me that espionage is a capital crime only because of its treasonous nature – its successful fruits contribute to and/or may cause the defeat or overthrow of a government. Therefore discriminating between treason and espionage seems more of a semantics exercise important only in legal circles.
That the Rosenbergs were executed for espionage tells me only that it was a charge of convenience, worked out by government lawyers given the inconvenient de juris definition of treason, for killing them as the hyped up mood of the then American public demanded. The puzzling part remains that espionage before then was only a capital crime during a declared war, which was not in progress during their dastardly deeds. And even if they did some of their spying during WW2, they only transmitted their purloined info to the USSR, our putative ally. As a counter example, Pollack’s fate was mitigated by his spying for Israel, our bosom buddy, ward, and longtime ally.

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Don Bessee

19 October 2017

Unemployment claims were the lowest since 1973 and the DOW closed at 23,163! Lefty party parrot narratives fail again. 😉

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

No time to dig into it today but here’s an interesting sidelight.
This is from the play Marat Sade where Peter Weiss writes De Sade stating the futility of any attempts of establishing human order:
“Every death even the cruellest death
drowns in the total indifference of Nature
Nature herself would watch unmoved
if we destroyed the entire human race
I hate Nature
this passionless spectator this unbreakable iceberg-face
that can bear everything
this goads us to greater and greater acts”
Of course this is fiction since it’s in a play
Peter De Groot says pretty much the same thing when writes:
To understand America’s darkening, we must recognize that civilization does not exclude the state of nature, for the state of nature is man himself, his historical inheritance, the unchosen animal endowment he must strive to tame, to constrain, to control.
Wonder if he ever saw the play

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George Rebane

19 October 2017

Let me throw in my two cents on the De Groot essay; it is definitely worth a read. Here is the link someone provided before –
http://takimag.com/article/strife_and_wrangling_in_las_vegas_christopher_degroot/print#axzz4vJ6KiwnV

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

Now Trump is relying on a golden oldie the Russia Hillary nuke story first covered by the New York Times in 2015. Ho Hum
Is is really big news Hilly and the Clinton foundation were scamming the system? Wow what a shocker!!!
One of several reasons I did not and could never support Hillary.

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

Credit where Credit is due, The DeGroot link came from Scott a few days ago. This was a link worth reading. Doesn’t necessarily mean I believe everything he says but his point of view is very interesting
From Scott:
May as well post this here. Best essay I have read in years that neatly explains most all of what is going on with American culture. And a lot of the rest of the world as well. Not pretty, but does explain a lot.
http://takimag.com/article/strife_and_wrangling_in_las_vegas_christopher_degroot/print#axzz4vJ6KiwnV
Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 13 October 2017 at 07:26 PM

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Don Bessee

19 October 2017

Funny you mention that po’ ol’ fakenewsman, I was just reading the union and their editorial cartoon was on that very topic. You can wish it away but now that the Sen judiciary cmt. has asked DOJ to lift the gag order on the FBI informant we will get the truth that 0’s AG’s & FBI actively suppressed. Victoria Tensing was very clear about her client being threatened by 0’s AG with jail if he talked to anyone. 😉

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fish

19 October 2017

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 October 2017 at 03:30 PM
One of several reasons I did not and could never support Hillary.

You are uniquely disingenuous C-Nile!

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Walt

19 October 2017

What? Someone might get to spill the apple cart on Clinton?
I guess we will be hearing about the next case of Arkencide (convenient accident?) to happen out of nowhere.
Someone better not take an evening walk in the park.

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

Goodness Fish I’m agreeing with you about HILLARY????

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

Fish don’t you understand that when someone supports a persons policies they are totally against that person? SheesH!

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Walt

19 October 2017

There is hope for Bunhole yet.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Appeals-court-in-SF-allows-challenge-to-state-law-12292093.php
“Advocates of legalized prostitution took their challenge to California’s 145-year-old ban on commercial sex before a federal appeals court Thursday and appeared to get a hint that they’ll have another chance to show why the law should be cast aside.
The case was brought by three former prostitutes, a would-be client and the Erotic Service Providers Legal, Educational and Research Project. They contend the law violates the right to engage in consensual sex, as defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 2003 ruling overturning criminal laws against gay sexual activity.”
Soon hookers may prowl the streets of Nevada City once again.
But mining will still be a capital offence.

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Walt

19 October 2017

The cost is WAY over budget. Like that is anything new.
http://www.kcra.com/article/oroville-dam-repair-costs-will-top-dollar500m-nearly-double-initial-estimate/13055289
I have heard what some of those guys make. So now wonder the price
of the rebuild is crazy. You can thank prevailing wage rules, and more than greedy unions.

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

Good news for those who believe in local control. Jerry Brown vetoed a bill that would take away local control of decisions to install small cell towers.
Governor Jerry Brown of California waited until the eleventh hour to announce that he would not sign legislation giving his state more authority over how local governments deal with applications for small cells. Brown said he believes local governments need a “more balanced solution” that will allow them to retain more authority over their rights of way.
https://www.rcrwireless.com/20171016/network-infrastructure/california-governor-jerry-brown-vetoes-small-cell-bill-tag4

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Walt

19 October 2017

Now that this news is out, count on someone bitching.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/36619419/samoan-firefighters-sing-moving-hymn-in-midst-of-california-wildfires
That Christian singing might offend someone.

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Don Bessee

19 October 2017

Interesting that the po’ ol’ fakenewsman is not in favor of better internet access @ 701. What size tinfoil hat do you wear? 😉

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

You don’t know what you’re taking about Don. It’s about local control. Isn’t that something a conservative like you believes in?

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Walt

19 October 2017

Sure Paul,, just until that local control doesn’t go in your favor.
If the “local control” nixed the idea of pot shops, you would be the first to bitch, and demand the state have a say.

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Paul Emery

19 October 2017

Too late for that argument Walt. It’s a done deal in Nevada City

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Don Bessee

19 October 2017

Clearly the po’ ol’ fakenewsman does not understand how many people rely on bandwidth from our cell providers to have good internet connectivity and that would have enabled significantly higher bandwidth. Bad for business and bad for the neighborhoods. Squawk you tin foil hat wearing party parrot. 😉

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2017

DonB, Paul; Emery has what is called “situational ethics”. He is always prepared to change his postions when the wind blows. Not a believeable person. Sort of a sociopath really.

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Bill Tozer

20 October 2017

Dr. Rebane @ 3:25 pm, Oct 19, 2017.
I read half of the essay when Scott first posted it. Got busy and finally just finished it. The problem is bigger than homelessness, crime off the charts in urban jungles, violence run amok, fatherless homes, disgustingly low public education scores, slackers entering the workforce without the work ethic and demanding pats on the back, and on and on it goes. Nay, those are just symptoms of the problem.
No one is better at nuturing and caring for children than a loving mother. But, no one has a bigger impact on a child’s life than the father. Yes, it does not seem fair. But the 40 year study published by The Atlantic a decade or so back clearly showed the influence of the absentee father on the child and society, for whatever reason. Drop out rates, teen pregnancy, incarnation rates, income levels……irrefutable study and The Atlantic is hardly a religious or moralizing magazine. Yes, Mom does parenting better, but Dad has more impact and influence on a child’s direction in life. Fairness has nothing to do with it.
Saw this and liked the title. In an age of decrying “toxic masculinity” (Justin Trudeau) to SJWs slamming “Maleness” at every turn, one has to ask where are all the male mentors?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/20/boy-scouts-america-should-let-boys-be-boys.html
Many boys used to make clubhouses or forts with the kids in the neighborhood with a sign posted, “no girls allowed.” At some point in time, nature’s forces take over, boys start to notice girls, and the ‘keep out’ sign is discarded for the rest of the boys’ lives. That is just the way it works, no matter how many male haters are running about our campuses.
Milo, as a young student, addressed the question ‘Can we achieve gender equality?” Go ahead and shoot the messenger, the message remains.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialJusticeInAction/comments/3viwvz/milo_yiannopoulos_address_to_the_men_at/
A Final Thought: Have come to the conclusion that some women don’t have a husband problem, they have a father problem. They just carry those unresolved issues with Dad into their relationships….all their many broken relationships. A tiny child’s first concept of God is their father. To further my general observations, many women (and males) do not have a father issue per se, they have a God problem. We witness this everyday, be it on entertainment media, blogs, campuses, lecturers, the press, and social gatherings. They simply transfer their father issues to God and their God issues to their Fathers, their husbands, their mates. Where did all the mentors go?

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George Rebane

20 October 2017

BillT 623am – Thanks for that thoughtful analysis Mr Tozer. I agree that our frenetic approach to the redefinition of not only women’s roles in our society, but also the relationship between men and women continues to have a devastating effect on our culture, which after all, is what we are really attempting to change. And some of the things we are attempting to change through politics are attributes that we have acquired over the millennia.

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Bill Tozer

20 October 2017

This is my gripe against modern day (contempary) Social Justice Warriors. A simple meme articulates how I perceive the current shift. Yes, it is a broadbrush, and yes, there have been numerous injustices suffered by humanoids across every stripe, color, and historical age. And yes, there have been many who risked life and limb to fight injustice throughout the eons. With the above disclaimer aside, feel free to correct any errant perceptions of contempary SJWs my eyes and ears have led me to conclude.
https://www.facebook.com/colddeadhands/photos/a.307409332641284.68774.307188559330028/1512922342089971/?type=3&theater

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George Rebane

20 October 2017

Longtime RR commenter Greg Goodknight has a good Other Voices commentary in the 20oct17 Union that answers a recent piece by true believer and consensus science advocate Tucker Martinez on climate change. Greg specifically addresses the role of CO2 in global warming and takes the established position by many of us that the jury is out on whether we’re really due for the reappearance of another little ice age.
http://www.theunion.com/opinion/columns/greg-goodknight-will-a-little-ice-age-reappear-place-your-bets/

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Paul Emery

20 October 2017

“Tom Price’s lawmaker wife wants people with HIV quarantined and their partners surveilled”
Astonishing to think that her now disgraced husband was head of Health and Human Services Sec. under Trump
“And I don’t want to say the quarantine word,” she went on, “but I guess I just said it. Is there an ability, since I would guess that public dollars are expended heavily in prophylaxis and treatment of this condition, so we have a public interest in curtailing the spread. What would you advise or are there any methods legally that we could do that would curtail the spread?”
She based her concerns on medical advances that allow HIV-positive people to live longer, healthier lives.
“It seems to me it’s almost frightening the number of people who are living that are potentially carriers, well not carriers, with the potential to spread, whereas in the past they died more readily and at that point they are not posing a risk. So we’ve got a huge population posing a risk if they are not in treatment,” Price said.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/tom-prices-lawmaker-wife-wants-people-with-hiv-quarantined-and-their-partners-surveilled/

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