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George Rebane

With the Las Vegas massacre still fresh in the news, and memories of previous such shootings indelibly burned into our collective memories, the ongoing debate in these pages about preventing children from accidentally shooting themselves or others assumes a heightened focus and an inevitably extended scope.  We are all standing by for the new spate of progressive platitudes and proposed proscriptions of the lawful ownership and possession of guns guaranteed by the Second Amendment.  This guarantee is not recognized by many of our newly educated citizens, most leftwing politicians, and all lamestream journalists.  But the only guarantee we have is that when the dust of the latest tragedy settles, and it will settle, this next chapter of the debate will leave us more separated than ever – the Great Divide ratchet turneth.

So, back to preventing accidental gun deaths.  I wonder what would happen to current statistics if children were taught about gun safety in kindergarten and/or first grade.  Today concerned parents have no hope of denying their child’s knowledge of the existence and, yes, the romance of guns since the world’s cultures glorify their existence as objects of power, adventure, status, justice, crime, coming of age, … .  Today all of this is drummed into the heads of the little darlins through immensely popular and engaging shoot-‘em-up computer games, realistic movies, and TV/online videos available 24/7 on the youngsters’ phones and pads.  And the more such parents attempt to keep children from having early ‘gun experiences’, the more attractive guns become to kids as the forbidden fruit that when serendipitously discovered, must immediately be handled, explored, surreptitiously shared, etc.

As a youngster (and child war veteran) in 1950s middle America, I was as interested in guns as were any of my friends.  In those days fathers (mine included) put guns into the hands of their sons (and many daughters) when they were, by today’s standards, very young.  I got my Red Ryder Daisy BB gun when ten, and my first 22 mag-fed bolt action rifle when thirteen.  (One of my grandsons now has it.)  I taught my children and grandchildren about guns and gun safety before they were five, and to shoot before they were eight.

Before the age of political correctness it was rare to hear of a youngster tragically discharging a found firearm.  Although kids did have their share of hunting accidents when improperly handling their firearms.  But then such accidents were not political or politicized events, no one became hysterical as a result and started militating for some new draconian laws or regulations that proscribed or constructively denied the then legal ownership and disposition of guns.  Overall, these were viewed as childhood accidents similar to when a kid seriously injured himself on a swing or other playground equipment, or riding his bicycle, swimming, climbing trees, or … .  These were simply tragic accidents the solution to which was more/better safety training.  We recognized that life lived to the fullest has inherent dangers, and their attempted eradication would also eliminate other unintended desiderata that contributed to our quality of life – in sum, the overzealous quest for safety itself has a price, as we see all around us today.

Are we really a better society as a result of fifty years of social histrionics wherein we have sought to impress each other with our social consciousness and caring that today mandates almost everything that we do, say, or think.  How many mass shootings did we have when young people knew more about guns and had easier access to them?

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191 responses to “‘Gun Violence’, girding for the next chapter”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I think we have been barking up the wrong tree. The Left and MSM steals and stirs the narrative and makes it all about gun control. They show pictures of misnamed or misidentified firearms and we have to explain it all over again to them, time and time again. What the heck is a “military-style rifle” anyways? Military rifles are fully automatic. Do they mean the preferred deer hunting rifle looks like a machine gun? And on and on it goes.
    We have been focusing on the tree, not the forest. America took the distraction hook, line, and sinker. The forest is the motive or motives.
    Red flags:
    1) The FBI dismissed any link to terrorism (Islamic terrorism) within 3 hours while bodies where still laying on the ground. Before the $100k wired to the Philippines was revealed. Well before any Russian collusion has been uncovered after a year of investigating. 3 hours. They know everything they need to know in 3 hours concerning the shooter’s life history?
    2) In a recent press conference, LE said they have the cameras Stephen Paddock used in the hotel room but do not know if he had set the cameras up. WTF??? Explain that one to me.
    Not yelling conspiracy, but LE is holding back, sandbagging from the get-go. They are keeping mum and only doing selective leaks….to the foreign press. Then the Sheriff caught himself almost mid sentence saying Paddock may have been radicalized….then mum. It is good to play your cards close to the vest and I get that. Even a little disinformation to throw persons of interest off. And IF the shooter was radicalized or sympathetic to any number of causes, then it is best not to tip off those under surveillance. I think I will chill on the weapon and focus on the shooter more, much more. We will know more in a month or two.
    Bottomline: It’s not the firearms, it’s the motive behind all the painstaking detailed methodical planning to kill as many people as possible, from 400-500 yards while a concert was blasting music.
    Oh yeah,a meme…just cause.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/rpp.217926015008110/1177344335732935/?type=3&theater

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  2. uired to take behavioy control Avatar
    uired to take behavioy control

    Gregory writes:
    likely there was a political statement at the core of the deed and we should know what it is. Whatever it is.
    What do you anticipate the statement to read Gregory. Walt has already predetermined it to be confession he is a LIB
    By the way Todd any updates to your contention he was an anti Trump activist?

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: uired to take behavioy control | 04 October 2017 at 02:27 PM

    Hmmmm….interesting alias Paul!

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I ain’t buying the lone wolf shooter official gov’t line….just yet.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    I say a LIB took one for the team. OH! he took Valium too!
    All the “evil” weapons LIBS hate, high capacity magazines(LIBS hate and demonize), Legal modifications, a new hate is coming on,
    and shoots up a huge amount of perceived Trump supporters and “gun nuts”.
    You will find some devout LIBs lighting candles at the asshole’s grave.
    A crazed LIB just took a page out of the ISIS playbook.

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    ….sigh…..guess I need to strap on my “Shocked Face” again.

    Demand For “Bump Fire Stocks” Surge, Prices Double As Fears Of Imminent Ban Mount

    Somebody is going to get rich as they put on a second and third shift at the bump fire stock factory!
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/demand-bump-fire-stocks-surge-prices-double-fears-imminent-ban-mount

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “urired”
    I don’t anticipate nuttin’.
    Patience, Grasshopper.

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Everyone should remember that it was the 0 admin that approved the shoulder bumper stocks. If you listen to the audio its not that much faster than what a trained shooter can do with a semi-auto. This guy had over 100k in high end guns. 30 background checks passed. An evil anomaly that would never have been tagged by a profile analysis. 😉

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  9. uired to take behavioy control Avatar
    uired to take behavioy control

    Walt writes:
    “I say a LIB took one for the team. OH! he took Valium too!”
    Well spoken Walt, here for all Rebane readers to see what an idiot you are unless you are joking, which I doubt you are. .

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: uired to take behavioy control | 04 October 2017 at 04:29 PM
    The real tragedy is that “Liberal” used to be the term applied to the live and let live, free enterprise and libertarian minded on the political spectrum. Of course it was co-opted…stolen if you will…. by the statist, control freak, cradle to grave government party endorsed by Punchy Mc Freeclinic.

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Note to PunchE FIX YOUR NAME ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman and take a minute to read the editorial by the liberal, pro gun control Leah Libresco in the Washington Post. 😉

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Seems like we have another Doug TROLL rearing his ugly head.
    How come I won’t be surprised?
    Reported today that the nut was on Mamma’s little helper.
    Some DO have adverse side effects to Valium where they twist off and become homicidal.
    I put NOTHING past radical LIBS these days. The media has really stoked the hate against Right leaning people.
    You have a better explanation, He who refuses to use his name,?
    Heck! I bet you could have pulled that off. (if you had his money)

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  13. uired to take behavioy control Avatar
    uired to take behavioy control

    He who refuses to use his name Walt? You must be referring to Fish

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    He who refuses to use his name Walt? You must be referring to Fish
    Ha

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    One more time-on the run
    He who refuses to use his name Don
    Didn’t gve credit where credit was due

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Looks like Doug is off the hook.(this time)
    Your not real good at fake names… Are You Paul?
    You need to take the school of TROLLing class from Doug. ( 250+ fake accounts.)

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  17. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    ??? @501 ??? 😉

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Speaking of illegal guns,, some of Paul’s pals (dope growers) just got busted. Huge grows,, and yup,, EVIL “assault weapons”. 1500 plants. PULLED! Thousands of dollars seized,(yet the claim is no weed was sold)
    Paul. there are laws on the books about all that. I guess we need more regs on dope growing.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Hay Paul… You know that “idiot” line you used? LOL!!!!
    You smoking some of that MJ you claim to never use?

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt, if you wrote this you are a certified idiot.
    “I say a LIB took one for the team. OH! he took Valium too!
    All the “evil” weapons LIBS hate, high capacity magazines(LIBS hate and demonize), Legal modifications, a new hate is coming on,
    and shoots up a huge amount of perceived Trump supporters and “gun nuts”.
    You will find some devout LIBs lighting candles at the asshole’s grave.”
    Did you write this yes or no,

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  21. John Avatar
    John

    Paul Emery you are hardly qualified to judge anyone on anything, particularly when it comes to writing ridiculous things. You are the hands down champion on that subject.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Paul.. Just WHAT is inaccurate? Take another hit off the bong.

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  23. BunBun Avatar
    BunBun

    Walt is furiously polishing his barrel…

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  24. Walt Avatar

    Good thing the cops took your guns years ago Doug.
    I’m surprised you haven’t done the same yet.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    There is absolutely no truth to back up your statement. Lets just take one. “I say a LIB took one for the team.”
    what team? What evidence do you have to support your allegations? You are delusional and pretty nuts and goofy to say something like that Walt.

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 04 October 2017 at 06:48 PM
    There is absolutely no truth to back up your statement.

    You are the best! I’ve been laughing at this for 5 minutes!

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 04 October 2017 at 06:41 PM
    Was KeachKeach deemed a danger to himself or to the community?

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Well “I” think so Fish, He did go off the deep end when The Union comments went dark. He was saying some real bizarre things here, and on other blogs.
    Now he’s one of the most hated TROLLS on the web.
    He really gets pissed when I bring up his getting busted for using a video camera inside the Del Oro.
    What was your excuse Doug?,,, Oh, ” There was no sign saying I couldn’t.”
    Nope some people think laws just don’t apply to them.
    Right Doug? Or do your prefer “Lavender” this evening? OOpps,, you deleted that one. Maybe Lonsomedove? You have been using that one a lot lately.
    A person that uses so many AKA’s has to be mentally unstable.

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  29. Walt Avatar

    One more thing for the night.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/04/chicago-alone-accounts-for-10-percent-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/
    “The Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that tracks gun violence in America, defines mass shooting as incidents where “FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event, at the same general time and location not including the shooter.” ”
    And having had to deal with one good friend killing another not long ago I can say that I can’t blame the gun. We all were told access to the guns was gone. And right up until I drove into a crime scene, I would never have believed he could have done what he did.
    Anyone can’t do just about anything when they put their mind to it. This loon had the means and the smarts.
    We will never know his twisted reasoning, and no amount of law writing or right restricting is going to stop the next nut hell bent on causing mass destruction.
    Yet Ca. sees fit to decriminalize crime. Even gun theft isn’t that big a crime anymore. ANY gun theft was a felony in the state. Now the weapon only needs to be less than 800 bucks, and it’s a misdemeanor. That’s tough on gun crime.. Thanks LIBS.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Speaking of AKA’s Waly you never ask what Fish’s real name is.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 04 October 2017 at 09:22 PM
    Dave Larsen…..
    Jeez Punch do your own work once and a while

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  32. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Somehow I think the po’ ol’ fakenewsman is perfectly aware of the Fish v the dark lord of liberal lament land history. 😉

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 04 October 2017 at 09:43 PM
    Given Punch-Es age, demeanor, and stilted erratic debating style as of late, I wouldn’t make that assumption.

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Delayed reaction… Walt 821pm … your friend who shot another friend wouldn’t have been an old coot named Robert, would it?
    Very sad story.

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  35. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    In a classic unapologetic demonstration of liberal logic David Brooks on PBS just said that he wishes ‘they’ would pass all the proposed gun legislation. He also said that when Marco Rubio said in the campaign that none of the proposed gun laws would have stopped any of the mass shooting (at that time). He went on to add that the Washington Post fact checked that statement and they admitted Rubio is correct. Wat? 😉

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    Re DonB’s 657pm – Can you imagine that PBS has David Brooks as the conservative “balance” for liberal Mark Shields on its flagship News Hour? Only the liberal mind can invite that into the realm of reason.

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    PBS applying that moniker on Brooks is a big lie technique, say it enough and the feeble minded will believe it as a go to fact. 😉

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Gregory… Yes, that be him. We all were close friends for years.
    I never would have thought anything like that could happen with those two.

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Someone needs to clue Boardman in on what a machine gun is. Bump stocks do not a machine gun make. A machine gun has to be a much different creature than your run of the mill AR, special barrel and receiver that can take the heat. While the LV nut had to use a bunch of guns because they heated up and jammed,it is worth noting that he could have likely been able to get a license for a true machine gun as someone who passed 30 background checks. 😉

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