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309 responses to “Sandbox – 25aug17”
This may change the Sen. playing field in a big way.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/joe-arpaio-may-challenge-jeff-flake-for-arizona-senate-seat/article/2632732
GO JOE!
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In the news:
North Korea has fired a ballistic missile that passed over Japan, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters early Tuesday.
A South Korean military official told NBC News that the projectile was fired around 5:57 a.m. local time on Tuesday. U.S. Pacific Command projected that the missile will splash down at 6:29 a.m. local time.
Mot a word from the fearless Trump on this one.
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Trump: Compared to What?
Victor Davis Hanson
Tu quoque is a classical Latin term for โyou too.โ
It is sometimes considered a logical fallacy: you do not defend your position, but instead point to someone elseโs that is worseโin the fashion of a guilty child seeking to avoid parental discipline by claiming his unpunished brother โdid it worse.โ
But in truth tu quoque is a legitimate argumentโif one both defends his position and also points out the hypocrisy of his inconsistent accuser.
Take Trump.
Over the last two weeks, Trump, the messenger, may have tweeted a few silly things (the recycled John J. Pershing pig-fat bullet tweet) and was considered slow in appreciating the political atmospherics of the rioting and violence in Virginia and North Carolina.
Are his supporters therefore supposed to abandon Trump as the hysterical media demands? Hardly. Here are six reasons why not.
https://amgreatness.com/2017/08/27/trump-compared-to-what/
Recommended reading for conservatives, lefty readers it will only upset you, best to avoid reading.
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Trump-no business communications with Russia??? Sure
Trump Organization lawyer Michael Cohen acknowledged Monday that he reached out last year during the presidential campaign to a spokesman for Vladimir Putin for help on a proposal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, but said he never heard back and the project never got off the ground.
The proposed Moscow project, Cohen told the House Intelligence Committee in a statement, was โunder considerationโ by President Donald Trumpโs company between September 2015 and the end of January 2016, when Cohen โdetermined that the proposal was not feasible for a variety of business reasons and should not be pursued further.โ
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Great one Paul… The ink is barely dry on the story, and Trump is “mot” speaking out soon enough for you. Maybe he was too busy punching in the missile codes into his “football”.
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Hay Paul. So Trump had some business dealing in Russia. That’s not a crime.
I know of a (ha) non profit here that has dealings with China. That REALLY needs to be investigated. I’m sure something criminal can be found in that.
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Got to love those Texans. They understand what it means to be American.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/price-gouging-during-hurricane-harvey-up-to-99-for-a-case-of-water-texas-ag-says.html
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That’s right, pull a Paul “scenery”. Change the subject when ya’ got no defense.
Like price gouging is somehow unique to Texas.
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Walt, Trump categorically denied he had any business dealings with Russia except for the Miss Universe contest and one house sale. Would you call that lying?
Trump quote:
โI have had dealings over the years where I sold a house to a very wealthy Russian many years ago. I had the Miss Universe pageantโโโwhich I owned for quite a whileโโโI had it in Moscow a long time ago. But other than that, I have nothing to do with Russia,โ Trump said.
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When you have a business bigger than many nations, anything can slip ones mind.
I have caught you plenty of times “forgetting” something. Or were you just lying, before getting caught?
You have Berkeley thoughts and reasonings, yet claim no ties to Berkeley.(Is that a lie?)
How bout all the LIES the guy you voted for said? But go ahead. Point your bony,arthritic finger. You have more pointed back at ya’.
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Russ @ 3:10 pm.
Good read. Thanks.
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How is this “Lee” still breathing?
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/08/27/san-francisco-congratulates-shutting-free-speech/
“Mayor Lee labeled the right-wing protests as violent in advance, telling a rally Friday: โ[T]hey have a message that we donโt believe in โ a message of hate. โฆ That message can easily translate into violence.โ
Yup ,, the march against Marxism was really hateful.
Our LIBS just can’t denounce the fruit of their loins.
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I’m focused on the proble3ms at hand Walt. Didn’t vote for Obama 2nd time around. Did you vote for Bush both times?
No ties to Berkeley Walt.
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Posted by: Scenery | 28 August 2017 at 03:20 PM
Oh Keacheryโฆ.when the going gets tough โฆ..the left demands stuff for free!
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re:Russ@3:10
“(the recycled John J. Pershing pig-fat bullet tweet)”
It wasn’t Pershing, correct? Some other officer was burying Muslims with pig carcasses I think.
It’s a funny thing. I just found a dozen books that make the same claim, but it’s a ‘lie’ somehow.
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Don’t forget Fish,, that ol’ Dougy is a BIG Berkeley dude. Good enough reason for he/she/it
to hide behind a fake name.(uh,, black bandanna)
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Speaking of the business at hand, this has been around for a few days and with today’s media doing what they have become, I just don’t see this story having legs.
With that said, one line raised my eyebrows:
“At the time, Ukraine was run by a pro-Russian political party that had paid Manafort $17 million for consulting in 2013 and 2014,โ NBC News added.
And these lines raised my eyebrows as well:
“Politicoโs report, published January 11, 2017, alleged that Democratic officials worked with Ukraine to boost Clinton and harm Trump:
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clintonโs allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.
The media has largely ignored any claims suggesting that the Democrats and Hillary Clinton may have received help from a foreign government during the 2016 presidential election.”
More eyebrow raising.
“Back in April, the powerful Washington lobbying firm run by Clinton ally Tony Podesta filed a document admitting its work for the pro-Russia European Centre for a Modern Ukraine may have principally benefited a foreign government. New disclosures revealed dozens of previously unreported interactions the firm made with influential government offices, including Hillary Clintonโs State Department and the office of former Vice President Joe Biden, while lobbying on behalf of the center. The Podesta Group belatedly filed several new disclosures with the Justice Department on Aug. 17 related to work the firm completed between 2012 and 2014 on behalf of a pro-Russia Ukrainian think tank.”
Why does that adjective “pro-Russian” keep coming up?? Ah, maybe it was a typo.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/27/podesta-group-subpoenaed-in-russia-probe/
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Crabb has competition.
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article169707257.html
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The R party does have some stupid people.
Sheriff Joe may run for US Senate against Jeff Flake. Now really, a sitting Republican Senator finally gets a President that will sign his bills and the man writes a trashy book against Trump! If ever there was a good reason to boot a man without any decent judgment it is Flake. So I will send money to Joe or anyone else that primaries Flake. What a moron he has to be!
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Paul at 3:12 – “Trump Organization lawyer Michael Cohen acknowledged Monday that he reached out last year during the presidential campaign to a spokesman for Vladimir Putin for help on a proposal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, but said he never heard back and the project never got off the ground.”
What part of ‘never heard back’ and ‘the project never got off the ground’ is hard to understand?
No contract, no money changed hands, no communication, no construction, no nothing.
So – ‘no business dealings’ is perfectly true.
And Podesta now has his ass in a sling as he has to ‘amend’ (that is fess up to his previous misstatements) about his ties to Putin.
But Paul needs his daily fix, so if the word Russia appears in the same line as Trump, that’s proof enough that Trump is in cahoots with Putin.
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“Didn’t vote for Obama 2nd time around.”
Yes – we’re aware of the fact that Paul was sucked into Obama’s obvious lies only during one election cycle.
Paul doesn’t seem to be able to talk about it.
But he wants to talk about anybody that voted for anybody named Bush on a constant basis.
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Walt @ 4:15 pm.
Concerning Mayor Lee: it’s a right to peaceably assemble. Let’s not forget the word peaceably. Congress can’t touch it
[1] The First Amendment states that โCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.โ.
States can’t touch the right to peaceably assemble, but a Mayor can. First, seems to me the few gathered in to advocate for free speech were denied police protection for their protected right to peaceably assemble.. The only thing they were carrying were water bottles, which got confiscated. But, when the other side showed up, they had no rights or protections because they did not intend to assemble peaceably and did not have a permit. Pulling the cops violated the guareented right and protections to peacefully assemble.
Read the last paragraph to find the loophole. It doesn’t say exactly who creates the danger of riot and destruction, just lumps it all together as the assembly I guess. Sure, we know it was those outside of the peaceably assembled who are to blame on this one. Mayor Lee must be tickled pink with herself.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the United States Congress from enacting legislation that would abridge the right of the people to assemble peaceably.[1] The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes this prohibition applicable to state governments.[2]
The Supreme Court of the United States has held that the First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly.[3] The right to assemble is not, however, absolute. Government officials cannot simply prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion,[4] but the government can impose restrictions on the time, place, and manner of peaceful assembly, provided that constitutional safeguards are met.[5] Time, place, and manner restrictions are permissible so long as they โare justified without reference to the content of the regulated speech, . . . are narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and . . . leave open ample alternative channels for communication of the information.โ[6]
Such time, place, and manner restrictions can take the form of requirements to obtain a permit for an assembly.[7] The Supreme Court has held that it is constitutionally permissible for the government to require that a permit for an assembly be obtained in advance.[8] The government can also make special regulations that impose additional requirements for assemblies that take place near major public events.[9]
In the United States, the organizer of a public assembly must typically apply for and obtain a permit in advance from the local police department or other local governmental body.[10] Applications for permits usually require, at a minimum, information about the specific date, time, and location of the proposed assembly, and may require a great deal more information.[11] Localities can, within the boundaries established by Supreme Court decisions interpreting the First Amendment right to assemble peaceably, impose additional requirements for permit applications, such as information about the organizer of the assembly and specific details about how the assembly is to be conducted.[12]
The First Amendment does not provide the right to conduct an assembly at which there is a clear and present danger of riot, disorder, or interference with traffic on public streets, or other immediate threat to public safety or order.[13] Statutes that prohibit people from assembling and using force or violence to accomplish unlawful purposes are permissible under the First Amendment.[14]
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Bill.
Has our LIBS passed this info onto their ANTIFA spawn?
There were no KKK or Nazis protesting in Lunatic Bay. The organizers have nothing to do with the bastard child of Democrats(kkk) nor the nazis(what ANTIFA really is. Black is the new brown)
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Walt, Yep, that was my point. They pull police protection just as things start to heat up.
September, 2017: The Uncancelled Tour hits Berkeley, with Ann Coulter and Bannon tagging along with Milo. Wonder how the Lefties will handle Free Speech Week? Time will tell. Maybe Milo will come out with a Hilter mustache, lol. Oh my. Nah, he will will just cite the oblivious stuff, like facts. Milo the Undead.
http://sfist.com/2017/08/25/ann_coulter_steve_bannon_might_join.php
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Scott Aug 28/17 1:42
“Read my posters dude, “I’m for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.”
Scott…you and all those like you are solid, intelligent middle of the road Americans. That is what America is all about! That’s why all those in government are required to swear an oath of office to uphold it! Without upholding our basic law we have anarchy and violent people breaking the laws and changing the laws to empower their corrupt totalitarian mentality. Very simple. Take the time to study our Constitution and Bill of Rights and then insist those we pay (with our taxes) uphold their oath. It really works peacefully and is powerful truth we used during our lifetime when confronting ignorant individuals in our justice system.
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It’s a crying shame when people make bonehead mistakes. A person nowadays that blows a .22 can’t work at a bank, among other places. To add to the woes, many employers have to let the bonehead go because their business insurance policies won’t cover them, even if they are at the front counter or warehouse and don’t drive. Having a few minor dings on one’s driving record is not a deal breaker, but a big ding like DUI is. Yes, things have changed. Wonder if the county will cover her if she needs a company car for business. Oh, the dumb mistakes people do. Some are unfortunate enough to be held to a higher standard than the white trashing in GV. :).
.22 takes it to a whole higher level than a.10.
http://www.theunion.com/news/local-news/nevada-county-court-docs-supervisor-heidi-hall-had-22-bac/
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PS: to clarify my 10:11am.
Not really trying to score political points, but pointing out how costly a severe lapse of judgement can be. I expect the courts to be kind to her, get some money out of her of course, not much Tim e, maybe one weekend in jail starting late Friday night and released early Sat. Or Sun am, or no time at all. Rertricted license and all that stuff.
But, after the verdict, the DMV has a whole list of pain in store. Suspended license maybe, more fines, etc, no matter what the County handed out. The DMV is the law, then the auto insurance goes up for three years. People say it can cost up to 9k nowadays, and that is without getting a lawyer, which usually is more money down the rat hole. She would have to prove she can drive just fine with a .22. That is quite expensive I dunno. She never made it out of the parking lot without hitting something. Thank goodness a child in the park wasn’t struck. That .22 is higher than I ever got back in the day and I was a full blown drunk. That .22 really sticks with me for some odd reason. Live and learn….especially when you get a nudge from the judge to point you towards the light.
A suspended (or restricted) license, no matter if it’s just for 10 days to a month, makes going to the grocery store and other shopping a real pain. There’s always the Gold Country Stage. Let’s you off at the steps where the Supervisors meet. Always a silver lining.
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A .22? lol. Cool. Nothing to make Oliver Reed scared, but she sounds like more fun than I thought.
You do have to wonder what they’ll do when the robot cars take over. 1/2 the legal system (and 3/4 of the police) will have nothing to do.
It’s time to leave the Democrats and form the Party Party.
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K-12 Schools are Not Doing Their JOB!
Too much indoctrination and not enough teaching basics:
Orange County Register: The 23-campus California State University system knows it must somehow speed up graduation beyond todayโs pace, which sees just 19 percent of entering freshmen graduate within four years. The low rate is at least partly because more than a third of frosh need some remedial work.
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re: Russ@6:23AM
Could it just be that the university system has grown too large and too undemanding in entry requirements? The moment that an educational philosophy of ‘everyone has to go to college’ enters the picture, colleges have to accept and pass everyone.
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The violence in Berkeley can be traced back to its coordinator.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/04/21/berkeley-mayor-is-member-of-antifa-facebook-group-that-organized-riots/
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Tweet of the day so far.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/911053499044873/?type=3&theater
Just can’t please everybody.
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Have a Grand Kid in that mess. So far she’s out of danger. She goes to Texas A&M.
My daughter has collected a horse trailer load of critter food and is headed “that way”. Chow for hamsters to horses from Arizona.
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Posted by: Russ | 29 August 2017 at 06:23 AM
K-12 Schools are Not Doing Their JOB!
Yes they areโฆ..
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/25/first-grader-sent-to-office-for-misgendering-fellow-student.html
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No sign of Paul in these photos.
https://www.wired.com/story/behold-burning-mans-awesome-and-totally-bizarre-architecture/
Some are pretty good.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/29/florida-professor-who-tweeted-texans-deserved-harvey-for-supporting-trump-is-relieved-teaching-duties.html
A sociology professor? Whodda thunk?
Year Zero News.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/christopher-columbus-statue-vandalized-in-houstons-bell-park/465300272
and…interestingly
https://www.click2houston.com/news/mlk-statue-in-bricker-park-vandalized-police-say
Is this last just the latest of the numerous false flag operations that have been going on for years? or a counter-reaction?
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Berkeley Mayor Bends the Knee.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/berkeley-mayor-classify-antifa-as-a-gang/
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Scenes. Reading the posts, that mayor is one of “them”.(ANTIFA and BAMN)
Not many posts in favor of the terrorists.(or the mayor for that matter)
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Walt @ 2:15 pm
The Mayor wants them called a gang. Why? Because his gang of radical off the charts UC professor friends, activists, and extremists are already classified by authorities as low level terrorism. The Mayor is trying to get some legitimacy coming their way. Gang sounds more acceptable than the current classification.
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“No sign of Paul in these photos”
Keep looking Walt. It seems you have nothing better to do. I’m a big nosed short old guy with a scrawny pony tail and bald head.
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For your reading pleasure:
The polling tsunami is starting to hit the Great Orange Hope. Down by 27 (Pew) in the latest polls.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 29 August 2017 at 02:55 PM
Hello chatbot!
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The deep state is alive and well. The FBI officially said there was not enough public interest in madam liar liar pantsuits on fire’s email investigation to warrant releasing the file. SAY WAT!! ๐
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I must say I like Fox News’ sense of humor. They had Karl Rove on this morning to discuss the political aspects of large natural disasters, the very same man who plotted every political move of George “Helluva job, Brownie!” Bush.
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Yeah George B I remember Brownie
By the way dod you see Melania’s shoes when they went to Texas? Stilettos, just the thing for walking in the mud and mingling with the victims of the flood.
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Only people with a foot fetish care.
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re: Mayor o’ Berkeley
Being classified as a gang, if it were to happen, is not such a trivial thing. Lots of additional sentencing, rules about association and helping in the crime, probably law enforcement money I’ll betcha.
https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/gang-affiliation-sentence-enhancement-pc-186-22/
My guess is that Da’ Mayor makes some sort of public appeal like this, the heat goes off, nothing happens, it’s all good. The Green Libertarians look after their own after all.
re: ToddJ@3:41PM
I’m afraid that I’ll have to declare Emery’s Law at that point.
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Apropos of nothing. The perfect CNN interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=achm7IGeFGI
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This just in. After three years of gathering stats, Colorado has said car crashes up 40%.
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Lets not forget the corrupt mayor of New Orleans who was the source of so many problems but of course he was a dem.
That’s pathetic ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman @339. So she wore her normal shoes to go to the airport. The pictures on the ground in TX show her in white high-tops. Your turds is erupting again and it looks like it has Russian dressing contamination too. I told you to get the salve to help clear that ugly thing up.
PODESTA! PODESTA! PODESTA! ๐
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