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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 16 August 2017.]

The Charlottesville clash is metastasizing across the country.  In these look-alike demonstrations, the Civil War and all that it entails has become the latest collision point of several ideological and political agendas.  For those able to handle historical nuances, our Civil War was not a civil war, but a War for Southern Independence, or more neutrally, the War Between the States.  In a real civil war, each side wants to wind up in control of the entire country.  But since time is short, we’ll call it a ‘Civil War’ in the sequel.

That in 1865 the South, among its other objectives, wanted to perpetuate slavery is today enough to charge anyone, who wants to retain reminders of that bloody conflict, with a long list of additional social sins.  For example, to defend the continued acceptance of statuary, paintings, plaques, and other symbols that memorialize that conflict in the South, is to be cast as a white supremacist who longs for the day when the blacks can again be enslaved.  And the promotion of American nationalism immediately equates with the hidden objectives of white nationalism – in short, such people are identified simply as rank racists.

So, to assure that these symbols of social injustice will disappear from our land, our politically correct factions outdo each other to demand removal of all such blatant displays of our despicable past.  Hence, we see statues of Confederate leaders and soldiers being toppled, and hear new cries to take down Civil War paintings in state houses and heroic facades from their exteriors.  And in the exercise of exquisite chutzpah, the Council on American-Islamic Relations joins in the demand that every Confederate memorial in the US be torn down.

The reasonable underpinnings for these progressive and alt-left sentiments are hard to understand.  Where do we stop destroying and removing symbols of past ages that conflict with our revised and ever-changing cultural tenets; where do we stop blotting out reminders of the inconvenient eras that really happened; and with warts and all, that are still a part of our history?

Do we follow the presumably sincere and heartfelt sentiments of ISIS and the Taliban who vandalize and destroy historical artifacts they consider hateful and even blasphemous to their God?  According to the tenets of their culture, such monuments and artifacts are an affront to the very foundation of our universe.  What about removing all evidence of the Roman Empire, a regime that conquered, ravaged, and enslaved so much of the world?  And was it not the Arabs in the first millennium who opened up the African slave trade along that continent’s east coast; do we also tear down the symbols of Arabic faith and glory?  And then throw in the Judeo-Christian scriptures and manifold artifacts abetting slavery.  To complete the job here in our foothills, hydraulic monitors were used in the Sierra to wash away entire mountain sides, polluting rivers and spoiling the livelihood of farmers in the valley below, all in the fevered search for gold.  Should we also remove these proudly-displayed symbols of exploitation and destruction erected in gold country towns that now memorialize that history?


However, on deeper reflection, today’s attacks on the historical Confederacy can also be seen as the next opportune and expedient battle in the ongoing war on America and western culture.  In this war, the white supremacists and neo-Nazis are the conveniently useful idiots who unwittingly aid the assault on the west when they extol the virtues of the Confederacy, and by implication slavery.  Were that their aim, these public demonstrations are an extremely destructive attempt to promote and sustain western culture.

But the whole affair reveals the real agenda now playing out in America, to equate white nationalism with western culture in the minds of the lightly informed, as our Left continues to forge a path to autocratic globalism.  The globalist elites know that as long as a significant number of the earth’s people cling to tenets of western culture, there is little hope of convincing countries to forsake their sovereignty, and replace it with one overarching world government.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on Rebane’s Ruminations where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However, my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

Addendum – It is again interesting but not surprising to note that the Left is finally beginning to understand the deep schism that rends our country.  The formerly denied Great Divide, and one that may arrive violently, is even now coming up on their usually dimly lit and perennially askew radar.  Charlottesville may then be remembered as our Fort Sumter redux.  Most of us hope that there will be a better resolution.

(It’s also interesting to see how the Left deports itself when they come in conflict with the feds on their deeply held beliefs – they just say no.  I’ve promoted that same policy with our Board of Supervisors regarding the county kowtowing to regulations from above that stifle our growth and local economy.  Smarter heads have explained to me how that is impossible to do (at least for a right-leaning BoS).  Well, now we have examples all over the place, and like I predicted, it all started with one sanctuary city and then went viral.  We’ll see how it all plays out with AG Sessions at DoJ helm.)

Since the preservation of western culture is prominently featured in my aired commentary, we should start by defining what it is.  Turns out that Wikipedia has a very useful definition with which I, in the main, agree.

“Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Occidental culture, the Western world, Western society, European civilization, or Judeo-Greco-Christian civilization, is a term used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social normsethical valuestraditional customsbelief systemspolitical systems and specific artifacts and technologies that have some origin or association with Europe. The term also applies beyond Europe, to countries and cultures whose histories are strongly connected to Europe by immigration, colonization, or influence. For example, Western Culture includes countries in the Americas and Australasia, whose language and demographic ethnicity (and) majorities are currently European.

Western culture is characterized by a host of artistic, philosophic, literary and legal themes and traditions; the heritage of GreekRomanJewish, Germanic, CelticSlavic and other ethnic and linguistic groups, as well as Middle Eastern Christianity including the Roman Catholic Church, and the Orthodox Church, which played an important part in the shaping of Western civilization since at least the 4th century. The teachings of Jesus, such as the Parable of the Good Samaritan, are among the important sources for modern notions of Human Rights and the welfare measures commonly provided by governments in the West. Before the Cold War era, the traditional Western viewpoint identified Western Civilization with the Western Christian (CatholicProtestant) countries and culture.”

With regard to the ongoing demonstrations, there is a clear answer for the Left when asked, ‘Is it possible to love free speech and defend a speaker without by necessity having to agree with what the speaker says or believes?’  The answer, save the ACLU’s lone disagreement, is a firm NO!  Today perceived, yet unspoken, thought is proscribed by the Left – ‘But we know what he is really thinking.’  Such selective granting of constitutional rights are among the existential core values of progressives, and not just outlier sentiments held by their fringe.

We are now growing accustomed to mass actions in the public forum that in their aggregate can be understood as a preamble to a true civil war.  The coming conflict may be one in which the victor either defines our new or renewed form of governance, or executes the Great Divide, thereby establishing two sovereign nation-states in the wake of such a conflict.

The leftwing lamestream media is working overtime to cast current events as confirmation that our federal government is run by radical ideologues who promote white nationalism.  The current press hullabaloo, joined by all Democrats and some Republicans, about President Trump’s politically incorrect denunciation of Charlottesville demonstrators is a prime example of this.  His ascription of responsibility to both sides in the riot – the so-called notion of ‘moral equivalence’ – is the lynch pin of their entire argument.

Yet no one in the national media has pointed out that President Obama was equally, if not more so, ambivalent when even more egregious events came to pass.  The hallmark of these was, perhaps, “when five Dallas cops were murdered last year, the 44th president faulted police as well as the killer.”  In ‘Trump Follows Obama’s Example of Moral Equivalence’, Jason Riley reluctantly reminds us of this one-sided treatment of the two presidents.  The Left’s high dudgeon media made nary a peep when on numerous occasions Obama saw two sides of clearly one-sided tragedies.

The Left has no trouble publicly promoting and protecting anti-white groups like Black Lives Matter, and lifting up prominent black racists like Al Sharpton.  All forms of nationalist groups are darlings of the lamestream, except, of course, American nationalists who are vigorously attacked at every opportunity.  This generation of our formerly noble Fourth Estate has a big problem denouncing all forms of race-based supremacy and nationalism.  Their rule for such discrimination is simple – if it has any provenance in European culture, it is proscribed.

So what is happening now?  Well, the temperature is rising as “Democrats and media figures work to mainstream violent Antifa protesters. … Journalists and major liberal news outlets have compared violent American flag-burning protesters to soldiers storming the beaches of Normandy — all while downplaying the leftists’ violence. … The protesters, known as antifa (short for anti-fascist), often advocate for communism and have been deemed a domestic terrorist movement” by at least one state. (more here)

Concurrently, the work to erase parts of our past continues apace.  Look for demonstrations calling for the sandblasting of Georgia’s Stone Mountain and the radical reduction of Mount Rushmore’s occupants.  Perhaps the insanity, which usually intensifies in such pre-revolutionary political frenzies, may yet reach to the internet and school texts, and call for the photoshopping (nee Stalinist 'air-brushing') of historical photos and deletion of politically incorrect videos.  This is recognized by the better read as gross historical revisionism and Orwellian newthink.  Today saner voices counsel that in order to inform future generations, we should add to history, and not just take from it.

[17aug17 update]  Among the many intellectual hurdles that face those of the Left, understanding the definition of ‘conspiracy’ seems to of particular difficulty for them.  RR has tried to help in the past to clear up their confusion; let us try again.

Conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons.  Random House Dictionary of the English Language (unabridged);

Conspiracy: a secret agreement among several people usually involving treason or great treachery.  Mirriam-Webster Dictionary (online);

Conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons. Plot. Dictionary.com;

Conspiracy: a secret plan to achieve some goal.  Rationalwiki.com

So what does one learn about ‘conspiracy’ if first bothering to consult any dictionary?  A conspiracy is something done by two or more people, always in secret, to achieve a goal or end that may be legal or illegal.  But to those who have never consulted a dictionary, the meaning of the word remains forever a mystery, which causes them to say butt stupid things like, "So let’s remind George when he spreads this conspiracy nonsense on KVMR to promote his blog that when you lay down with Richard Spencer, American Nazis, and the KKK you are who you are intimate with."

RR has never claimed or posited that the Left is conspiring to “fundamentally transform America”, or to abrogate the Westphalian world order, or to reduce America from its hegemonic status to second world peerage, or to promote global governance.  Not at all.  We have always pointed out how openly the Left has done this, and continues to advance such ends through any and all agents and agencies it controls or can influence.  They have written books and publish this message continually.  To them, worldwide collectivism is a fervent and cherished end.  They freely admit that the world’s cadre of independent sovereign-nation states stands in the way of this goal, and that this Westphalian world order must be brought down in order for mankind to advance and achieve its destiny.

Now admittedly, the Left no longer loudly proclaims the benefits that derive from the historical nostrums offered by Marx, Engels, Lenin, et al.  However, the mountain they are encouraging people everywhere to climb is the very same.  Today we are ascending on a slightly different and more politic path as required by the times, but as the attacks on capitalism, wealth distribution, merit-based advancement, etc emerge from academe and grow louder, we will soon be encouraged to follow the celebrated icons of socialism cum communism in their very footsteps.

For recent examples of this openness and non-conspiratorial ideological promotion, I call your attention to two interesting developments by our progressives.  First, let’s see what messages the alt-left proudly puts into the public domain today.  A summary with links to their own sites is available in ‘In Their Own Words: The Radical Political Goals Of ‘Anti-Fascists’’.  When reading this, recall the recent words of Senator Warren (D-MA) about what part of the political spectrum the core of the Democratic Party now inhabits (here).  To get the full snootful on the Left’s agenda, I refer you to their Progressive Manifesto (2003) by Anthony Giddens.  You are, of course, invited to compare their manifesto to the goals espoused in the UN’s Agenda 21 document extensively covered in these pages.

And then to follow the immortal words of V. Lenin – “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” – we turn to the recent efforts of Democrat worthies such as Van Jones, former Obama advisor and self-ascribed communist (more here and here), who now is busy inserting a new “anti-bullying” program into our high schools’ curriculum called ‘Challenge Day’ and sits on its openly leftwing board.  Over 2,200 high schools have offered the program in which “no longer are young people taught to find the good in people and society, to be optimistic, to be self-reliant, to be hopeful, and to have good relationships with their families. … Programs like Challenge Day teach students to find divisions constantly: Everyone and everything is racist, poses a direct threat to their safety, or is the product of some form of social privilege. … Instead of teaching resilience, respect, and independence, students are taught to break down and cry, discuss their feelings, and check their social “privilege.” (more here)

In the end we come full circle and realize that leftwingers who cannot debate the tenets they promote will simply attack and denigrate their opposites as advancing conspiracy theories in the hopes that their audience will react with the usually unexamined dismissal, 'Oh yeah, one of those guys …'

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175 responses to “Add to history, and not take from it (updated 17aug17)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Come y’all, gather around the campfire. Come and let me tell you a story about a man named Jed, poor Mountaineer barely kept his family feed…..just kidding. This one is on topic…or on thread?
    Many moons ago, in a place far away, I couldn’t sleep where a creek and a river met. The place was called Hangman’s Tree. No amonrt of booze or elephant tranquilizer or hadhish could help me sleep. Spooky. Come to find out some things. The US Army once came on a peaceful exploring the countryside mission. What’s over the next mountain sort of thing. The Natives asked an obvious question. “If you come in peace,why are you bringing cannons? Hmmmm?”
    Well, things went downhill from there and soon the battle lines were drawn. Holy Firewater!, the Natives darn near pulled off a Little Big Horn, but smaller in numbers on both sides. One soldier escaped, otherwise it would have been no soldiers survived.
    Word got back to the US Calvary, and the General came a’knocking. One sided bloodbath. Lines up 46 braves of fighting age, pulled aside 23 Savages (every other one) and done hung them on the spot….at Hangman’s Tree. The blood spilled on the ground cries out loud for emy people. That is why I could not sleep or rest in Hangman Tree Park that night.
    To this day, when I see Fremont, CA on a map or hear anything about Fremont, I think of Hangmans Tree…..far away. Let’s change the name of Fremont, CA and erase the memory of that man forever. The bastard’s name was John Fremont, hopefully never to be uttered again.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    Re SteveF 309pm – If this stupid exchange were not humorous, I wouldn’t have the energy to pursue it. Frisch’s undies got in a bundle when I used ‘Dark Continent’ in place of Africa in a KVMR commentary of six years ago. The man went ballistic with his astute intepretations of knowing what I was really thinking and what I meant by the alternative use of that classical label. Here’s the entire commentary, see if you can feel his outrage.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/03/community-partnership-banking-worm-farm-2.html
    In its comment thread I responded to his hysterics with the following –
    I’m happy to have highly respected friends who know that the two semantic pedigrees of ‘Dark Continent’ as a nom de plume for Africa have no racial connotations whatsoever. They also know that there is no formal jurisdiction in LA County known as ‘South LA’, a large region of the LA basin that is generally comprised of poorer municipalities of populations that are highly diverse ethnically and racially. … None of them are so ignorant as to patch these two labels together from two separate sentences and ascribe them to a pejorative connotation of African-Americans. However, this is a claim that not all can make of their respected friends.
    Now you can see the deep substance that underlies the gratuitous connections attempted by the Left.

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  3. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “two semantic pedigrees of ‘Dark Continent’”
    I only think of it as an unexplored and unknown place.
    You are cheating him of his outrage, though. Keep in mind that in Newspeak any word implying a color has racial connotation. It’s doubleplus important to keep that straight.
    And for God’s sake, don’t say ‘niggardly’.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Scenes 415pm – Good counsel Mr Scenes, thank you.
    SteveF 309pm – I failed to mention in my 405pm that I am very happy to see Mr Frisch again joining our other leftwing cohorts to joust on these pages. His occasional forays here are always informative, illuminating, and welcome. Without explicit and readily available examples of the progressive mindset, that those of us on Right (actually conservetarian) are engaging out there in the lamestream media and leftwing blogs, these exchanges would remain more abstract and cumbersome if we had to constantly reference distant voices from the Left. Mr Frisch’s attendance serves to greatly alleviate that. Again, welcome!

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    Uh Oh….not even the Great Emancipator escapes the wrath of the vanguard……

    Alderman says Lincoln bust in West Englewood burned

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/674297/

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 17 August 2017 at 04:15 PM
    And for God’s sake, don’t say ‘niggardly’.

    I love it when you play the “Oldies”!

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 17 August 2017 at 04:48 PM
    Damn Walt….you made the Big Time! All over a WaPo comment thread!

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  8. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Not a bad article.
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble
    It’s worth picking through some of the comments to pick up on the mood of the hoi polloi.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 17 August 2017 at 05:02 PM
    Yeah….that only took about a week! Hit tip to Wilbert though for not calling for Sugar Frosted Barry O’s enshrinement upon Rushmore like Snitchy Al proposed.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    Thanks Fish,, Gotta head into enemy territory now and then. Just leaving my own “piles” for the Left to deal with.

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I have to say its awfully frishy that a guy who once let a black guy talk to his office is running around calling everyone racists. I really have to tell my friends at CORE and the IFBC know some pasty faced guy from lilywhite land thinks I am a racist. They will get a good belly laugh and would likely pray for his socialist soul. What a maroon. 😉

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  12. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: DonB@5:43PM
    It’s just another variant of this.
    https://twitter.com/markos/status/896760610242912260

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  13. Walt Avatar

    We have these asswipes demanding anyone in history who owned slaves to be removed from history. Old news. Now here is a thought. The vary same people should look into their own family history. And you can bet, that a good percentage of their ancestors may have owned slaves. Those that find out that their own kin owned slaves should immediately apologize and commit seppuku. It’s only right. One could say they were born on the back of slavery.
    Hay! Your Great Granddaddy owned one, so your as guilty as hell, just by blood. Yes. Guilty of your (fore)Fathers’s sins.
    Nope,, there won’t be many takers. Cowards.

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  14. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Now that Russians have been replaced by Statues as the primary problem facing the US (who cares about healthcare or jobs after all), I was considering how it might play out for political purposes.
    First you have to decide who is properly evil. Slave owners? CSA soldiers or statesmen? Soldiers from the Indian Wars? Abraham Lincoln? There’s a lot of negotiating to be done here. Court cases depending on the state. Statues? Name of cities? Roads? A big long mess. No proper museums allowed of course, this stuff needs to be disappeared.
    There some chance that it ain’t gonna be contained with digging up Nathan Forrest’s body with eager shovels and calling it a day.
    Lots of protests, public vandalism (named after Vandals for a reason), pulling down of public monuments of most anybody, lots of hue and cry and damage and spray paint. Plenty of opportunities for some folks to really deface the public landscape depending on their own POV.
    You can end up in some really strange places once the ball gets rolling.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Concerning the 17aug17 update:
    Let’s jump right to the source. It’s all about Natural Law. The Declaration of Independence, the Constituition, the Bill of Rights are all about Natural Law. Individual rights. Private property ownership, the economic distribution system outside of government ownership….all antithetical to everything our progressive desire. They lust and lust and lust for the Constitution and yes, the Declaration of Independance to be torn asunder so the new Social Justice can be achieved at last.
    This also explains why our progressives’ wanton desire resembles Communism and not socialistic Nazism. They are Marxists at heart. Their first love. Change the name, spray perfume on it to hide the smell of rotting flesh, give it a good douche, yet at the end of the day, it is still Marxism.
    Marxism and Natural Law cannot cohabitate the same space. No “Coexist”. The individual with private property rights is diametrically opposed to everything our progressive Leftinistas cherish and hold close to their bosom.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/905173336299556/?type=3&theater

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  16. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    As you gentle readers may recall, I mentioned that it’s common now to quote news articles via archiving services, screen captures and the like since the media has this new habit of changing the past as it sees fit.
    A natural reaction to this:
    https://i.redd.it/ysrvykpxfggz.jpg
    So, now ‘ethical’ journalism consists not of running retractions, but of altering the original story. It’s an interesting conundrum of the digital age, perhaps it’s reasonable to change the past.
    Also notice their enemies in all of this when you run purely anti-Trump or anti-Right articles, those are the people you come up against. I’m not sure what ‘Right’ means exactly. Nazis or Republicans or ‘people from Oklahoma’. Perhaps they’re all the same thing.
    Step two, of course, will be independent archiving services that don’t ask permission.
    “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
    – some English guy

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  17. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    In other alt-left censorship news
    https://twitter.com/getongab/status/898314927697416192
    Note: gab is a free speech alternative to reddit.

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  18. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    An interesting observation from Nassim Taleb
    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/898248910505902080
    retweeted by Taleb:
    https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/896798322236805122
    I’m thinking about how one might properly define a radical alt-middle. Compromises in public policy (healthcare, ecology) between the two sides, favor US citizens (the point of a country after all), advancement based on merit, but to slough off the race/gender/SJW/crazy white guy trappings you see online, in schools, on the street.
    A common culture wouldn’t hurt. The alternatives tend to include Yugoslavia or Singapore, and I don’t see the latter one happening here.

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    SCENES,the LIBertarian Party is the party of the ALT-middle.
    Freedom of choice on everything, you can swing your arms whenever and wherever you want, just not in the vicinity of someone else’s nose unless they hit you first.

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  20. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Gregory@8:28AM
    I think I’m suggesting something with a stronger government presence in the things I mentioned. If the trade off is national health care along with yanking the identity politics people and departments out of colleges, I’ll take it.

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  21. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Me@9:24AM
    This is a bad place to argue the case one way or the other, but I’m thinking that my alt-middle would also tend to fire up antitrust law to a far greater extent than many Libertarians might like.
    I’m afraid there’s some likelihood we’ll go down more of the same however. It’s usually wisest to bet on visual trends. I’ve been thinking a lot about this post:
    https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/894558905115844609?lang=en

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  22. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    On another matter, a prediction:
    A push for the US version of the Great Firewall of China.
    There’ll be a strong tendency for US-hosted websites not meeting the standards of groups with political power, some heinous websites, some not. They’ll move to Russia or wherever. Part 2 is a barrier based on national boundaries.

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  23. Scenery Avatar
    Scenery

    Now the head of Fox News James Murdoch thinks Trump is beyond belief. Trump is definitely adding to history.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-james-murdoch-fox-trump-charlottesville-20170818-story.html

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scenery | 18 August 2017 at 10:02 AM
    Jeez Keachery….when have you ever cared what anyone associated with Fox News said!
    You morons can’t even troll worth a damn!

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    The question that won’t go away re the violence in Charlottesville – Would the lamestream even have covered the permitted white nationalist demonstration there had not the planned assault by anti-fas occurred?
    Am I the only one who has noticed that EVERY leftwing first person description of events at the riot is NOT borne out by videos of the violence, including the disposition of the police? Both sides came equipped to rumble, but it took the second arrivals to create the desired event.

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  26. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: GeorgeR@10:46AM
    I can’t say that it’s an age-old tactic, but it has worked darn well in the post war period. You attack somebody, wait for the response, make sure that the news camera is there, howl piteously.
    In terms of whether the MSM would have shown up, of course they would. As I understand it, the Nazis weren’t invited, but were likely enough to show up that it draws cameras like honey. With proper editing, that kind of thing makes for brilliant entertainment news. Scott Adams’ model of mass hysteria needs feeding and it will be fed. Not a bit of this will make sense in 200 years of course, probably not in 20.
    That isn’t 100% of the violence of course. The guy in the Challenger hit a car that hit a car that killed a person (and then backs up at twice the speed in a straight line, darned remarkable). If premeditated, a whole different situation. There’s so much video out there, that I expect that the trial will ferret out a tolerably true account.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Would you support and or attend a rally where there were a significant number of supporters wearing and displaying Nazi or White Nationalist symbols?

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1105am – NO.

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  29. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, would you support or attend a rally where there were Black Bloc and other armed Social Justice Warriors intending a ruckus?

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  30. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Really Paul? Really. I am disappointed that you even asked George that. Folks can be pro-America and not racist. Geez.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    No I would not attend
    Barry
    I’m somewhat clumsily making the point that we can support a cause and not support a march or rally. I am in favor of local jurisdictions (Cities, Counties and States) making these decisions (statues in public) and I distrust those on either side that are using local issues to further their ambitions.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    So, for three weeks running the KKK marched in Charlottesville and were roundly ignored. The fourth weekend, a riled opposition with clubs and other weapons showed up to kick ass. Ass got kicked. Someone died.
    I find it interesting that we’ve heard NOTHING about the neo-Nazi age 20,with diagnosed schizophrenia and bounced out of the army during Basic for not being able to ‘meet the training objectives’, who was driving the car. I wonder if he’s so pitiful a wimp he’s being kept underwraps… if he went schizo when the crowd started going nuts around him and was both lashing out and trying to escape… not exactly the sort of neo-Nazi to parade in front of the cameras to whip up a SJW frenzy.
    I note the photo of the car as it is beginning to plow into the crowd has damage where the photo of the guy swinging the club showed hitting the rear bumper hit moments before.

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  33. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1142am – Well hell then. I must have made that very same point even more clumsily, because that was the thesis of my commentary and comments in the sequel, and in most of the years of this blog. Gotta try harder.

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  34. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Truth Bomb. I am so sick of the nonsense.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2TZOdXAtQ

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    BarryP 1229pm – Good one Barry. Now how can we encourage our lefties to take a deep breath and watch this?

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  36. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    This should be an interesting trial, although it might all fizzle out in a plea. Rather like Zimmerman (or Rashomon for that matter), everyone will build a narrative and find facts to suit.
    Really good still images here. If you click they’ll enlarge.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4788756/Shocking-new-video-Charlottesville-carnage-emerges.html
    Worth considering. The brake lights are on plain as day right before he hits anything or anybody. That boy is a piss-poor terrorist.

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    More adding to history…….

    AUGUST 18, 2017 SMASH ALL THE THINGS! New Orleans’ Joan of Arc Statue Vandalized With ‘Take It Down.’
    Wait, which side did she fight for in the Civil War?

    Hey you proglotard idiots this is the side you’re defending!
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/17/new-orleans-joan-arc-statue-vandalized-take/

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  38. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    George at 1:05p. Doubtful. If we are talking about the 6000 KKK members out of 330 million people, then we are not talking about piss poor education in the inner city, generational welfare, generational poverty, black folks killing other black folks, and jails filled with young black men. These issues are real heartbreaking issues that need to be resolved and on which progressives never help. Money does not solve anything. The answer is prosperity. The eighteen year old young black man in the city with a nine to five instead of being so poor his whole life that he ends up in a gang is a lot less likely to kill a four year old little girl with a stray bullet. How sad is that and it happens all the time in Chicago. Heartbreaking.
    It is incumbent on all of us to fix our economic disparity in the inner cities. Folks should not have to live like that. It is un-American. But let’s ignore that and pretend everybody is racist. Are there racists? Uh yeah. They were marching in Virginia. Is it right to protest racists? Uh yeah. Racists are stupid. Are racists a minority? Uh yeah. Is it right to beat someone with whom you viscerally disagree with? No. Now you’re both stupid. We don’t need to beat racist with baseball bats. We beat them with superior ideas because we have the high road and the virtuous path. We are all created in God’s image. Remember racism is dumb. Period. But sometimes you just can’t fix stupid. We’ll keep trying but eliminating all racists is impossible until you can fix stupid.
    Oh well. Enough of the rant. Let’s keep talking about racism while we work to solve the other economic problems too. Multi-task people.

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 18 August 2017 at 05:14 PM
    You have doubts?

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    fish

    Seems that the $PLC is a believer in the philosophy of “Kill….err…accuse them all, Let god sort em out!”

    Mainstream conservative groups alarmed to be found on ‘hate map’…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/17/hate-group-map-lists-mainstream-conservative-organ/

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, I ain’t here to defend ole Dixieland, but after reading about what they are going to that little French lassie, Joan, I now see the reason why many of those statues of Confederate generals mounted on horseback have the horses’ behind facing north.

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  42. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Darned clever those ACLU guys.
    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/898732081378992128
    It’s a way to bail out from assisting groups on the Right while still saving face.
    Their mamas didn’t raise no fools.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    And word from PETA yet concerning the toppling of horses?
    Crap! Not the Latinos are going after redheaded white guys! Redheaded white guys don’t have it that easy, for Pete’s sake. Ok, everybody put your grievances out on the table, lay it bare in the open, and get it off your chests. At this rate the table will be piled high with all of humanity, nobody excluded.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1151123201688382/?type=3&theater

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  44. Piper Laurie's Former Shrink Avatar
    Piper Laurie’s Former Shrink

    Still winning there you old white supremacists? Ah Ha ha! What a freaking joke. Funny watching all you retired old white geezers from your blue county spending all day ranting and raving while the Oranguatan in the White House has the worst week for a US President since Nixon 1973. Love it. Did you hard right Repubbies and white nationalists really spend an entire week figuring out a way to defend the indefensible while much of the rest of the GOP gets that Trump has crossed a line of no return? Rats jumping off the sinking ship en masse! Never seen anything like it. And to think Mr. Mueller (that’s pronounced M.U.L.L.E.R) is still weeks away from indictments of Trump confidentes. Its going to get better and better to watch you guys twist and squirm. Great entertainment! Still winning, ha?

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  45. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Piper Laurie’s etc. etc.
    “Did you hard right Repubbies..”
    Well, that’s all the hint you need as to the author. I can’t say that I’m surprised.
    Keeping in mind that Trump is an effect, not a cause, I’m mostly interested in trying to suss out the endgame. Is this the end of the West, or just one of those every 50 year sort of shudders?
    I admit that the hysteria on the Left has a kind of religious flavor, but the groups in that coalition don’t strike me as tightly bound enough with a kind of internal logic or creed to pull off any kind of New Order. You can certainly make the argument, and this will hit in Europe first, that injecting a huge cadre of rather militant people with a different religion/language/appearance will give you a form of politics normally seen in prisons over time. The warden and guards will have to amp up control or risk continuous riots and eventual dissolution.
    I guess thinking that is what makes up a “white supremacist”. Noticing becomes a revolutionary act.
    In any case, culture can transcend taxonomy, as Taleb notices:
    https://medium.com/east-med-project-history-philology-and-genetics/something-nordic-supremacists-will-not-like-44d99e8a4188
    It appears that the few dozen angry gingers in Charlottesville are on the wrong track, but then so is the Committee of Public Safety that so dearly wants to remake this country.

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  46. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    An interesting angle to The Troubles, and the MSM’s role as an active participant, is that you have to go to Chinese news sources for something that’s tolerably straightforward and factual.
    http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0813/c90000-9254626.html
    re: Historical side note:
    https://i.redd.it/8wfss81uflgz.jpg
    re: Polls. I believe that Trump knows his base.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/poll-shows-nearly-half-of-americans-agree-with-trump-about-charlottesville/

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    These “clashes” are nothing compared to the riots we experienced as a country in the 60’s. But the “journalists” today have nothing to compare the ones today since they were not alive or are too lazy to review. So we will get this frantic reporting every day and be told how important this all is. Pussycats.

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