222 responses to “Sandbox – 10aug17”

1. 

   George Rebane

   10 August 2017

   PaulE 1249pm old sandbox – That NK’s first nuclear test was under Bush2 must evoke another instance of your special logic; pray tell, what conclusion do you draw from that factoid? Everyone else, please fasten your seat belts.

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   ScenesFromTheApocalypse

   10 August 2017

   The Paul sez: “First North Korean nuclear test was under bush’s watch. Do you deny that Scenes?”
   I couldn’t tell you. What do you consider a nuclear ‘test’? Perhaps you could run through the set of steps from chalkboard to a fully operational device for us. It might have been under Bush II, but actually throwing a switch is the easy part.
   Truth is, Clinton left something of a mess for his successor, like any good President. A better argument would be what Bush Sr. did wrong that Clinton couldn’t clean up, and in fact made quite a lot worse. I suspect that it would be impossible to find a really good bottleneck where this could have been avoided. A country like the US has to be willing to lose 10’s (or 100’s) of thousands of casualties in order to truly bring NK to heel. That’s after Seoul gets whacked on a bit, you might want to ask GeorgeR what the likely effect of the estimated NK artillery barrage would be.
   You probably ought to be planning that war with Russia first before the high strategy for blaming Republicans for the various Kims starts up.

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   George Rebane

   10 August 2017

   Harry J Kazianis is the perfect western mouthpiece for the Fat Kid. In ‘A war with North Korea would be hell – And the aftermath even worse’ he lays out how he and the Fat Kid would want us to consider what would happen if we don’t back down and let NK go through the next cycle of advanced WMD development. Mind boggling how much of this tripe is coming down the pipe.

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4. 

   fish

   10 August 2017

   Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 10 August 2017 at 01:32 PM
   Do you deny that Scenes?”
   Well….. do you deny it? DO YOU?!?!?

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5. 

   Walt

   10 August 2017

   All that appeasement we did with NK worked great. Right Paul?
   Lil’ Kim forgets he’s not dealing with “O”. No extortion payment will be coming.
   Now that fatboy has said he will “do something” (launch missiles Paul,,) his people will expect that to happen. What will he tell them if he doesn’t? He needs to save face.. One way,,,, or another.
   Kim can’t back down as I see it. His own people will use him as target practice.
   They don’t think like we do. Those people have no problem dying for their leader. As far as they are concerned, that’s a great honor.
   LIBS always underestimate the enemy. No,,, “talking to them and apologizing” never works.

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   Walt

   10 August 2017

   Here ya’ go Paul. Bubba and NK.
   http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/09/flashback-president-clinton-threatens-north-korea-it-would-be-the-end-of-their-country-as-they-know-it/
   And how people think now.
   Clinton would go on to negotiate an “Agreed Framework” in 1994 that was hailed as a way to prevent North Korea from getting a nuclear weapon, a deal that is now widely accepted as being a complete failure.

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   Walt

   10 August 2017

   Now here would be a good excuse to why NK got wiped off the map.
   https://www.yahoo.com/news/asteroid-shave-past-earth-inside-moon-orbit-esa-155009565.html
   Damn.. We screwed up with the slide rule. NO!! Honest!! WE didn’t do it. A rock just fell from the sky. It was just bad luck that it hit Punn Tang.

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8. 

   Paul Emery

   10 August 2017

   George
   I was going off of this timetable. Is it incorrect?
   http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline—fast-facts/index.html

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9. 

   George Rebane

   10 August 2017

   PaulE 228pm – Didn’t contend your timetable. Just want to know your reason for noting it for us.

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    10 August 2017

    Just to put the NK issue in a little perspective. My contention is Bush 2 was the worst President in modern history and this is an other example. He goes after IRAQ and loses the farm elsewhere.

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11. 

    Russ

    10 August 2017

    DNC was an insider, not the Russian’s
    HUGE IF TRUE: The Nation says DNC “hack” was actually an inside job. “The Nation, hardly a bastion of right-wing conspiracists, picks up the story that the alleged Russian hack of the DNC was in fact an inside job. This notion has percolated on the right for a while but now the Democracy Dies In Darkness crowd will need a bigger pillow. Between this and the Awan-Wasserman non-story they have a lot to not cover.”
    From The Nation: “There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.”
    My position from the beginning.

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12. 

    George Rebane

    10 August 2017

    PaulE 242pm – So NK suddenly started its nuke program after Bush2 became president and then perfected an explodeable device which it immediately tested during his presidency. That logic is about par for the course, and I now see why you don’t like Bush2. Thanks.

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13. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Paul. You pointed out the timetable of kicking the can down the road. Well guess what?
    The road has come to an end.
    So what do we do if Lil’ fatboy fires those missiles as advertised? Nothing?
    Just accept he has them and give him more money?
    As usual your full of gripes, and short on answers.

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14. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Now Russ. You know the LIBS and gov. in general ain’t going to cop to being “mole-ed”
    As outside agency just had to hack them. And if there is ANY way to brand Trump with it, they will. Even if it takes 4 or 8 years.

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    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    10 August 2017

    re: GR@2:48PM
    lol. Exactly. There’s no point in context, no point in domain knowledge, just a world with several bullet items all leading to Bush or a reasonable facsimile. Understanding via PowerPoint.
    Don’t read this part Paul…
    From the outside, it looks to me like there has been little change in US foreign policy for a couple of decades. This hobby in remaking MIddle Eastern and Northern African countries has the look of a philosophy cooked up by some sort of professional government class that isn’t turned out from a mere election (except perhaps this last one, but that remains to be seen). The fact that there’s a tiny chance that the new administration isn’t going to have a fixation on tearing down existing power structures in third world nations to be replaced by tribal conflict is of no value to the Green Libertarians. I doubt that the point in all this is to create refugee tsunamis which then get to move north, but it might as well be since the result is the same.

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    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    10 August 2017

    re: Russ@2:42PM
    Do you have a link to that, I’ll read it.
    I did run into this one, a kind of op-ed:
    https://www.thenation.com/article/unverified-russiagate-allegations-promoted-by-an-irresponsible-congress-and-media-have-become-a-grave-threat-to-american-national-security/
    The risk of producing a hot war with Russia, at least through surrogates, seems to be well worth the effort in the ongoing 2016 election. Whatever it takes to boot out Trump regardless of cost in blood or money.
    I expect that the Russia thing might fizzle out now that we have the Impeach-Trump-cuz-he’s-mean-to-North-Korea story getting ginned up lickety split. It’s equally dangerous, this time due to conflicting signals being sent to Mr. Kim, but once again cost is no object.

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17. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    10 August 2017

    re: Trumps ‘Fire and Fury’ tweet that has the Green Libertarians up in arms.
    That darned guy, he’s so mean. He needs impeachin’ I tell ya.
    Short memories, I tell ya.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/us-developing-missile-shield-to-guard-against-nuclear-attack-fro/

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18. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Ask the Paul some simple questions and he gets a tight as a bull’s butt in fly season.
    Better order that bunker Paul. My sources say your WAY too late.

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19. 

    Bun Bun

    10 August 2017

    It is all the fault of ex CIA man G.H.W Bush who wasted time farting around with Saddam instead of taking out NK. He failed at that one too. Clinton tried to slow them down and G.W Bush wasted more time farting around with Saddam. Now it falls to the self proclaimed greatest orator ever whose staff is commanded to send him manly portraits of himself daily.
    MAGA

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20. 

    Paul Emery

    10 August 2017

    The greatest oratorr didn’t learn from Obama who looked like an idiot after his so called redline in the sand in Syria. Now Trump promised fire and fury if American interests v we’re even threatened. Hmm. What was this talk about lobbing one over on Guam. ? Bullshit only gets you so far when you’re in the big leagues Ask Obama

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21. 

    Don Bessee

    10 August 2017

    Bun bun thinks Clinton tried to slow them down, billions in cash and 2 reactors is slowing them down, what a maroon. 😉

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22. 

    George Rebane

    10 August 2017

    PaulE 531pm – “What was this talk about lobbing one over on Guam?” You may have missed the news, but it was the President responding to a detailed threat by NK to bracket Guam with multiple missile impacts that drew his overly measured response. Only a very dedicated leftwinger would take our president to task for responding to a certifiably insane and belligerent foreign leader threatening to put one of our sovereign territories into the middle of his missile test impact area. You might want to pay a bit more attention to these developments. More here.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/north-korea-details-plan-fire-missile-salvo-guam-49130115

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23. 

    Scott Obermuller

    10 August 2017

    “Bullshit only gets you so far when you’re in the big leagues Ask Obama”
    Elected and re-elected as president and he got your vote, Paul – so actually BS does go a long way in this brave new world.
    And according to Paul’s measure of wonderfulness – the polls – it worked very well for Obama.
    So – what was your point Paul?
    Remember “we begin bombing in 5 minutes”? It does work when the enemy thinks you mean it. Obama was a push over from the very beginning. And everyone knew it. Well, actually Paul didn’t, but everyone with a lick of sense. You can call Trump any name you want, but he’s proven to be a wild card. That helps when you’re dealing with the commies.

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24. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Well,, bunnyrabbit must not have been born yet to cast stones at Bush. Nuff said.
    Paul. You can bet your last bottle of Rye that Trump can and will pull the trigger.
    He’s not nutless like “O” was. My only prediction is that “we” won’t use nukes…
    Now recall the discussion of airborne laser weapons from a while back? This was/is the exact reason they were dreamed up and built for. The moment a launch in detected, that laser can cause that missile to fail and rain down on where it came from. All from international air space.

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25. 

    Paul Emery

    10 August 2017

    George trumps statement came before the Guam threat. Your timeline is backwards.

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26. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Show that fact Paul.. Your the one who’s always demanding a link.
    Now don’t forget all the other threats from short Fatbastard of NK. So pick one.

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27. 

    Todd Juvinall

    10 August 2017

    I say send Paul Emery to talk to the Nork fat-ass chub. Maybe he can convince him to put a lid on it and give up his nukes. Hell, Paul Emery and Dennis Rodman! There is a dynamic duo.

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28. 

    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1146375762163126/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1146674232133279/?type=3&theater

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29. 

    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    “This comes after media reports claimed more than five million non-citizens may have voted in the 2008 election, suggesting the issue could have been more widespread in 2016.”
    http://www.oann.com/college-student-sentenced-to-prison-for-voter-registration-fraud-4-others-arrested-for-fake-id-scheme/

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30. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    So much for ethics in politics. There is no such thing as bribery where elected officials are concerned. Thank You SCOTUS.. Pay to play is now OK and well established.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/10/menendezs-effort-case-dismissed-delayed-september-6-trial/

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31. 

    Don Bessee

    10 August 2017

    Pony tails on men are banned in NK so the po’ ol’ pollhead is off the hook on this one. 😉

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32. 

    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    Military news: at least she tried, kudos for that.
    http://taskandpurpose.com/female-navy-seal-soas-training/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
    Quotes concerning the short fat guy. No, not the short fat guy who took Kenny’s bike. The other piece of human debris. End of status quo?
    1) “As far as I’m concerned, as an American citizen, I want a president that says that if any nation such as North Korea attacks Guam, attacks Honolulu, attacks the West Coast, that they will be met with hell and fury.” —Guam Gov. Eddie Calvo
    2) “What the president is doing is sending a strong message to North Korea in language that Kim Jong Un can understand, because he doesn’t seem to understand diplomatic language.” —Secretary of State Rex Tillerson

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33. 

    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    Don @ 6:51 pm
    Fun facts:
    Did you know that in 47 countries around the world, grown men caught wearing a man bun in public are either imprisoned (for a minimum of five years), shot on sight, or attacked by machete wielding mobs.

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34. 

    Don Bessee

    10 August 2017

    Po’ ol’ fakenewsman @ 620- again the po’ ol’ fakenewsman is a day late and a dollar short. You have to wonder what kind of news service he uses at KVMR?? 😉

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35. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Bill,
    Then Paul may want to steer clear of Minneapolis on his next vacation.

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36. 

    Don Bessee

    10 August 2017

    For the po’ ol’ pollhead- The consumer confidence index it at it highest level since the before war started on 9/11! 😉

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37. 

    Don Bessee

    10 August 2017

    If you want to send a tangible message to the Chinese communists and fat kim, initiate the plan for the crisis repatriation of dependents in South Korea. They leave their stuff in their houses and just leave by air bridge. The old plan had the planes bring in troops and stuff the depart with max loads of dependents. That is a message that will loosen bowels in both of the commie capitols. 😉

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38. 

    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    Cultural Wars Now this finally makes sense. It’s not about being white or male, the Snowflakes hate people smarter than them. And that’s a lot folks they be hating on.
    https://patriotpost.us/articles/50708
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1146371578830211/?type=3&theater

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39. 

    Walt

    10 August 2017

    Here is the REAL Russia connection.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/10/watchdog-files-fec-complaint-over-alleged-dnc-ukraine-meeting-on-trump-oppo.html
    Hint… It’s DEMS! I know…. It only matters to screw Trump.

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    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    Little Fat Guy
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1146708098796559/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/901076130042610/?type=3&theater

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41. 

    Russ

    10 August 2017

    Scenes @03:11
    Here is the link:
    https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
    Sorry, should have been in the original post.

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42. 

    Bill Tozer

    10 August 2017

    9:23 pm
    Boy, Gregory called that one from the get-go.

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43. 

    Scott Obermuller

    10 August 2017

    Oh – the ChiComs are getting a bit nervous.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005
    They will remain neutral if America takes a first hit.
    Bully!
    The easy rejoinder is that if we take the first hit we will strike back at N Korea and ALL major cities of countries historically allayed with N Korea.
    The bombing starts in 5 minutes.
    Ball’s in your court, Jinping.

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44. 

    Don Bessee

    10 August 2017

    It was good to have Australia remind everyone they will stand up if fat kim fires anything toward Guam, it would also mobilize the treaty with Japan. While we do not have the same force structure we had, we do however have a massively more efficient reach out and touch somebody combined arms and the ability to mask its approach. 😉

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45. 

    Scott Obermuller

    10 August 2017

    This has possibly been brought up some where, but I’ve never seen anything about it in any left or right wing news article.
    China has for years now been dredging and ‘developing’ an island in the ocean in contested waters for the stated purpose of ‘scientific research’. What kind of ecological damage are they doing out there?
    Where is Greenpeace? Where is PBS and their vaunted look into ecological damage to the fragile system in that area?
    Where is the ‘Green’ libertarian?
    Photos of the island show absolutely no scientific research. It is clearly being used as a power grab of territory through devious means. It is patently obvious that China is continuing on a decades long course of extending their borders through violence, war and lies.
    The rest of the world is strangely silent about all of this.
    I say park the 7th Fleet offshore and offer to ‘help’ the Chinese govt with their stated goal of scientific research. Who would complain?

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46. 

    George Rebane

    10 August 2017

    ScottO 1026pm – Can you imagine the reaction of the livid Left if an American corporation or even our federal government had done such dredging for whatever reason? Now since it is their soul mates, all we hear is crickets.

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47. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    11 August 2017

    re: Russ@9:23
    Thanks. It’s all stuff that has been out there, but has finally bubbled up to a more traditional news organization. A less indirect report:
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/
    Put more succinctly:
    https://pics.me.me/trump-colluded-with-russia-trump-is-in-bed-with-putin-25453221.png
    As I (probably for the n’th time) mentioned, it likely won’t matter. The marching orders are out that North Korea is the next campaign in the 2016 election. Kim is a friend rather than Russia being an enemy, but whatever it takes. The local Green Libertarians are late getting the memo, but they’ll come around.

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48. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    11 August 2017

    re: GeorgeR@11:52PM
    It’s probably a lot to ask a group of people to be on message all the time in all matters.
    The ‘Livid Left’ in this case appears to be the subset of urban white professionals (and wanna-bes) who produce media, schooling, and most of the bitching. It’s certainly not all of the Left, but is good at grabbing the steering wheel for the whole coalition.
    My own and probably over-simplistic model is that the Livid Left has a hierarchy of needs but nothing Maslow would recognize. This seems to be a transnational pyramid.
    As an example hierarchy, unlimited immigration from the third world (and deification of non-Western cultures) is on top, followed by black issues (US only), LGBTQMNOP values, women’s issues, the environment, and at the bottom are social policies like taxes or healthcare. For instance, a political street fight between Muslim immigrants and a women’s group will always result in victory for the former.
    So, environmental effects of an action (which can be real enough) are so low in the pyramid that they rarely get traction. The exception would be when you can make political hay in some more important issue.

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49. 

    Todd Juvinall

    11 August 2017

    I looked for Sauer’s column you reprinted her but was unable to find it. So here is my brief response to the Itara dude’s screed against Norm in today’s paper.
    “What a load of hooey! The author is critical of Mr. Sauer’s column claiming no backup yet I found not one link or piece of proof of fact in this. Typical liberal “do as I say, not as I do” way of thinking. All the issues of “voter suppression” are contained within the mind of Itara. The reason voter turnout is down is people are fed up with politics and the politicians. Not because Bruno is turning away a voter. And Bush v Gore is in the “wayback” and was roved by the numerous recounts Bush won. The SCOTUS simply said Gore could not cherry-pick the democrat counties and he must have a statewide recount. So he quit.
    And Citizen’s United has all the liberals hearts aflutter. Eve though Trump was self-funded and Itara’s Hillary raised and spent one billion dollars must have been overlooked? My goodness, the democrats are on the run across America for reasons other than fraud or suppression. They have no decent agenda and Americans are fed up and moving to the party of ideas and hope. Republican.

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50. 

    Paul Emery

    11 August 2017

    George, Walt- per your request for links.
    Here’s a link and text that clearly shows NK made it’s threat to Trump and the US AFTER Trumps version of “red line int the sand” earlier this week pledging Fire and Fury if we are theatened inany way by NK. Makes him look weak just like Red Line in Sand marginalized Obama. They never learn from others mistakes.
    North Korea Threat Comes After Trump Vows ‘Fire and Fury’
    After president warns against making any more threats to the U.S, North Korea says it is considering plan to launch missiles at Guam,

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