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[Fresh sand for the free for all.  Anyone want to review the latest clinical evidence that liberals/progressives process critical thought with different parts of the brain than do conservatives/libertarians?  gjr]

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236 responses to “Sandbox – 27jun17”

  1. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    it is of course perfect appropriate @1044. Thanks my mensa friend for that nothing and confirmation that like po’ ol’ PE you are a mere party parrot. 😉

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scenes, and here I was about to put away the Browning P-35 and get out one of my Colt 45APC pistols… if I was going to be limited to 10 or less, I figured I might as well start relying on a larger bullet. Or maybe the .357, but I really never got as good with a revolver as with a pistol. In fact, I never liked revolvers at all… the damned things are designed to have a significant muzzle rise with recoil.
    Frisch, you got the law wrong.
    “My guess is the case here is the 2nd amendment case though…not the 5th amendment case…there is pretty strong precedent that taking a product off the market is not a taking”
    They were taken off the market in California long ago, Steven. This is about demanding any owned legally (they were grandfathered in) be disposed of, for example, by turning them into the police for destruction without compensation, lest the lawful owner be fined $100 and tossed in jail for up to a year.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My, my. The exploding heads are coming out of the woodwork now on this eposide of The Sandbox. Our dear Progressive thinkers are running on pure unadulterated fear. They see their walls are falling down all around them and sense impending fragmentation. Denial is a most powerful phenomenon to made that bad juju go away….or bury it deeper.
    Glad to see the Buttercups have all joined in for another brave attempt at swimming upstream, thrashing at the waters trying to win an agrument and screaming they are the true Children of The Light. The Lefties are full fear mode again. Throwing those haymakers and firing back with all the wet powder they got.
    Giving it all they got. Unfortunately, they just don’t have the numbers. The Leftists have the volume, but keep accumulations goose eggs on the scoreboard and I mean more more than just losing special elections. Fear is what this Sandbox has been about the last two days. We are hearing the gasps of drowning men. Music to my ears.
    They sense the sick feeling of impending doom. The Lefties must fight harder because they heart tells them one thing, their heads another, but their guts are telling them that it is approaching….it being something they have spent their whole lives fighting….that being Judgement Day. The Year of the Reckoning. Our progressives are finding out they don’t have the real power or numbers to stop it. It’s dawning on them right about now. The are losing what they were promised how it would be.
    Never get tired of winning.
    “But, but, but Mr. Trump, can’t we let them win something now and then? I am getting tired of winning.”
    “No! We are going to win, and win and win.”
    You fellas should let them win a stupid distraction argument now and then. Or, let them think they won something. Come on fellas, they don’t have the numbers and it’s leaves a horrible feeling in the pit of their stomachs when they feel it all slipping through their hands sensing they are becoming powerless to stop it. Afterall fellas, you are arguing with drowning men. Sweet!

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  4. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “When politeness and orderliness are met with contempt and betrayal, do not be surprised if the response is something less polite, and less orderly.”
    I rather like that sentence.
    An interesting thing to me is that the Trump ‘movement’, which is still defining itself, is largely populated by young people. If you still get your information from broadcast TV or something as arcane as a magazine, this is not obvious. There’s a kind of political sea change in the air and has been for the past year or so.
    Just an opinion, but if liberals actually cared about government policies like health care, tax law, antitrust, this would be a good time to push that kind of thing. I’m not detecting much hardening of attitudes about how those areas should work. Keep up with Russia, open borders, silly LGBTQLMNOP skirmishes, and modern progressive college craziness, and you can expect a much more robust resistance.
    I mean, seriously, just imagine how much more could be done by rallying the troops on altering how the ACA replacement is constructed. Instead, we are treated to a civil war based on an entrenched bureaucratic class and ongoing opposition research (Russia, Trump business deals, what Melania wore that day). The joy of political conflict overtakes the common good, but I’m afraid that the Left will actually get push back for once.

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  5. Mary Wanna Avatar
    Mary Wanna

    Sincerest hanks to the pucilanimous stridulators in canyonlands for gleefully welcoming Donny Trump into the fold.

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  6. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I read the injunction this morning. Greg, I can’t have gotten it wrong, I prefaced my comment with the point that I had not read the injunction yet.
    First, as I stated previously,unlike many here who claim any court ruling that does not go their way is judicial overreach and who go so far as to think we should eliminate judicial review by overturning Marbury v. Madison, I believe the courts have a role here and do not critique the court for their decision.
    But I did say that I believed the 5th amendment case would end up being weak. Here is the language from the complaint:
    “The Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment provides “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” U.S. Const. amend. V. The Takings Clause applies against the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. See Lingle, 544 U.S. at 536.
    28. The Takings Clause protects against two kinds of governmental takings: “a restriction on the use of property,” which is known as a “regulatory taking,” and a direct “physical appropriation” of “an interest in property.” Horne, 135 S. Ct. at 2425, 2427.
    29. “When the government physically takes possession of an interest in property for some public purpose, it has a categorical duty to compensate the former owner.” Tahoe- Sierra Pres. Council, Inc. v. Tahoe Reg’l Planning Agency, 535 U.S. 302, 322 (2002). That rule applies to takings of both real and personal property. See Horne, 135 S. Ct. at 2427.
    30. A regulation that “goes too far”—for example, by depriving a property owner of economically beneficial use or otherwise “interfer[ing] with legitimate property interests”—also requires just compensation. Lingle, 544 U.S. at 537-39.”
    I think it will be interesting to see how the Takings portion of this comes out.
    Takings law does not restrict the government from taking property–it restricts it from taking it without compensation–has standards not quoted in this request for injunctive relief, that the taking must be “substantial”, and Takings law recognizes the governments right to take property if it is for a legitimate public health or safety reason. The law banning the manufacture, import, sell, or transfer any “large- capacity magazine” greater than 10 rounds has been in place since 1999. I think it is going to be interesting to see if a taking can be enforced against a product whose sale has been illegal for 17 years.
    Regardless, it will be an interesting case.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I just have a spear. It is a one shot deal.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Mary Wanna | 30 June 2017 at 06:40 AM
    Could it be ……the pseudonymic comedy stylings of one Michael Anderson?

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I think it is going to be interesting to see if a taking can be enforced against a product whose sale has been illegal for 17 years.”
    Who knows, the 2nd Amendment arguments could change that sooner or later, especially if another Scalia or two get seats at the SCOTUS table. A taking of private property that obstructs a 2nd amendment right, and backed by the threat of a misdemeanor charge that could result in a year in jail… that seems plenty substantial to me.
    At $50 a pop, or more, the dollars can add up quickly just on the losses the owner is expected to bear.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    And here most of us thought that to forcefully take your property, the government had to demonstrate that 1) the taking serves an unambiguous AND necessary public good that could not be fulfilled by other means, and 2) that it would pay the owner at least the established market price and related costs (i.e. make the owner ‘whole’) for the confiscation.
    With regard to legislating from the bench, the Founders’ concept was that our courts would only adjudicate existing laws/regulations in terms of their constitutionality (did they violate the foundational documents of the relevant jurisdictions) through settling suits brought to it by plaintiffs having standing.
    Today, governments can gratuitously take what you own, meaning for reasons ranging from whimsy to satisfying some facet of its ideology du jour. Should you defend your property, they will simply kill you. On the same basis a whole new source of laws have been discovered that does not involve the deliberations of any elected legislature. Politically appointed judges will do quite nicely. And we have yet to look behind the heavy curtain behind which operates the shady world of administrative jurisprudence with its own court system, cynical appeal procedures (or lack thereof), rules evidence, etc. And all of it happening today in the once land of the free and the home of the brave.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch 7:13
    “But I did say that I believed the 5th amendment case would end up being weak.”
    No, you didn’t Steven. Why lie about something like that?
    What you wrote was, “Mu [sic] guess is the case here is the 2nd amendment case though…not the 5th amendment case…there is pretty strong precedent that taking a product off the market is not a taking.”
    When you voted for that Proposition last November, did you do so thinking it was about stopping the sale or importation of those icky 11 or more round ammo magazines, and not the forcing of owners of those icky things to turn them in lest they face a year in jail? Figures.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch?
    Frisch?
    Frisch?
    Frisch?
    When you voted for that Proposition last November, did you do so thinking it was about stopping the sale or importation of those icky 11 or more round ammo magazines, and not the forcing of owners of those icky things to turn them in lest they face a year in jail?

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  13. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Yeah, well if that is not saying the Takings case is weak I don’t know what is….don’t be suck a literalist.

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Suck a literalist?? You nasty!
    If there was no voter fraud in the last election then why are dem governors refusing to allow their records to be reviewed by the special commission? 😉

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So the NYT finally retracts the oft quoted 17 intelligence agency’s Russia crap. Clapper had said it was fake news in his testimony but the NYT only retracted yesterday! Fakenews for party parrots. 😉

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  16. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re George Rebane @ 9:59AM
    In any case, thank goodness (sometimes) for the court system. In California, it’s reasonable to guess that a straight up vote of the legislature would result in a total ban of firearms in the state, perhaps with the exception of muzzle loaders. There really is no compromise on the slippery downslope for most of these people. All you’d have to do is show off something like this at a hearing:
    https://pof-usa.com/revolt/
    and the cry would issue forth for the banning of another family of firearm.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    News Flash for Rebane Readers.
    I think Trump is flipping out!!!
    Did Trump admit to breaking the law by boasting about Morning Joe blackmail scheme?
    Trump, at the very least, seems to have acknowledged that he’s able to kill stories before they appear in the supermarket tabloid, which has “embraced the president with such sycophantic zeal,” as the New Yorker put it.
    But did he admit to a crime?
    Report Advertisement
    “Blackmail and extortion statutes all hinge on the definition of a “thing of value” — which, in this case, would be an apology by Scarborough and Brzezinski for their critical coverage of the president.
    Under the U.S. code for interstate communications, which could apply if top administration officials called Scarborough in New York from the White House, a person can be charged if they intend to extort a thing of value by threatening to injure the property or reputation of another.”
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/did-trump-admit-to-breaking-the-law-by-boasting-about-morning-joe-blackmail-scheme/
    I will not respond to any questions at this time.

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  18. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I will not respond to any questions at this time”
    Paul, I think it’s well accepted you don’t respond to questions no matter when.

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  19. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    BWAAAHAHAHAHA! Who do you think is going to have questions about the comic stylings of a po’ ol’ fakenewsman? Well at least we wont have to listen to the 17 intelligence agencies Russia crap anymore. 😉

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  20. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “Paul, I think it’s well accepted you don’t respond to questions no matter when.”
    lol. I’ll say.
    It’s like your own personal Daily Kos newsfeed.
    In other news.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dRGMME4VnM

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  21. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: The Paul @ 1:08PM
    ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!
    lol.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Lefty leader “Mad Max” is the gift that keeps on giving. ( Liberal herpes is more like it.)
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/begins-democrat-leader-maxine-waters-wants-president-trump-impeached-exiled/

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  23. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Now the real Scarborough story emerges, morning joe called Kushner asking for help to stop an enquirer story because Trump was not talking to joe anymore. Joe knew Trump as close to the owners and wanted him to help stop the story, Kushner advised him he should apologize if he wanted the Presidents help.
    Thanks ya po’ ol’fakenewsman for continuing your record of being wrong. 😉

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  24. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “I will not respond to any questions at this time.”
    Oh no – not that! Oh, the humanity! Oh, Oh!
    How CAN we all go on?
    Paul – you missed your calling.
    A regular comedian – that’s what you are.

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  25. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 30 June 2017 at 11:44 AM
    “f there was no voter fraud in the last election then why are dem governors refusing to allow their records to be reviewed by the special commission? ;-)”
    Hey, President Trump, if you haven’t been taking money from Russian banks owned by Putin sycophants for the last decade why don’t you show us your income taxes and audited financial statements ;~)

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  26. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Steve Frisch, junior fascist: “Yeah, well if that is not saying the Takings case is weak I don’t know what is….don’t be suck a literalist.”
    It’s not my stuff they’re taking, who cares?
    So tell us, Frisch – what is the magic value that the govt is allowed to take from citizens without remuneration?
    Or is that something that depends on skin color or political affiliation?
    And how often would you allow the govt to take ‘small stuff’ from citizens?
    Hmmm?

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  27. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Ok, so we now know Frisch has no answer for dems failing to comply with the records requested by the special commission headed by the VP. Just a reminder that there is no statutory requirement for a President to disclose his taxes. Can we have yours? 😉

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  28. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Steve at 4:58 admits he has no answer for the question and realizes that there very well could be voter fraud so he tries to distract with an absurd question about Trump that has no bearing what so ever on the original query.
    Well – gee, Steve – if you don’t possess kiddee porn, why don’t you allow the govt to kick your door in every night and rummage through your effects and your computer?
    Good night, is the best you lefties can do?
    There is no requirement for Trump to disclose his tax records. He submits them to the IRS and they have proven themselves to be left-wing law breakers. If there is anything on his return to cause any concern, it would have been spilled out for everyone to see long ago.
    Steve – why don’t you tell us why Trump owing money to Russian banks would be bad?
    You don’t seem to mind the Clintons being given Russian money.

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  29. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I seem to recall a certain dazed druid telling us there was no commission and there would never be one. Well played sir, keep that record intact ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman. 😉

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  30. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/06/30/winning-nato-announces-it-will-heed-trumps-call-for-increased-dues/
    So – Trump (America) wins again. Euros admit it. Admit it.
    Trump was right – the left-wing haters were wrong.
    Although I won’t hold my breath that any country in Europe will actually pony up anything close to what they should to provide their own defense against Russian aggression.
    Say – how does Trump’s wanting Europe to spend more against the Russians prove that Trump is a Russian puppet?
    Answer – wait for it – …. Well – we’ll wait until a hot place freezes over for an answer from the left. Or a green libertarian.

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oh – I had missed this one. Sorry, I’ve been a bit busy and have some catching up to do.
    from Scenes at 12:43 “…perhaps with the exception of muzzle loaders.”
    Only because Dem law makers in Kali think ‘muzzle loaders’ is a description of their sex partners.

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  32. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Lets see what the fakenewsmen suppressed today;
    The EPA chief is going to have a red team v blue team global warming science review/debate. Hey Frisch did you get an invite for one of the teams?
    The Germans have caved to the President on the G20 platform statement on global warming.
    NATO raises defense spending 4.3% 😉

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Too much winning there DonB. The lib fake news media types are apoplectic and speechless.

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  34. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Then we have AP getting busted in full frontal fakenews on the report about the EPA chiefs meeting that never happened. 😉

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  35. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “The lib fake news media types are apoplectic and speechless.”
    Not to mention a few lefties that love to post here on occasion.
    Don’t worry – they will wait a bit and then continue their attack against reason after a bit.
    They certainly won’t be responding to any debate at this point. Frisch and Emery are hiding under their mommies’ skirts – assuming their mommies wore skirts.

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  36. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Boardman’s fav news service in hot water again.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/30/fake-news-associated-press-engulfed-in-cnn-level-scandal-as-it-covers-up-invention-of-imaginary-pruitt-meeting/
    But it must be true because Fox News Service subscribes!
    “The Associated Press’s top official in Washington—D.C. bureau chief Julie Pace—has not responded to an email requesting her comment and whether she believes in journalistic integrity.”
    Well, of course! Because – Integrity’!
    Boardman? Boardman?

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  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Remember how Boardman tried to shout me down and told me and every one how AP wasn’t leftist and that they were fair and square and how centrist they were?
    Where is Boardman now?
    Boardman – there isn’t the smallest rock in Nevada County you can try to crawl under.
    But we all know you’ll try!

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  38. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Becerra hasn’t said what he will do next on either setback but promised to “defend the will of California voters.”
    You mean when they wanted to cut off all tax payer aid to illegals?
    Another left wing moron.
    Democracy is such a wonderful thing until the ‘people’ get all full of themselves and act up.
    Then we have to lay down the law of ‘social justice’. Which is not a law of any sort.
    You lefties are total clowns.
    I notice your ability to defend your side is nothing more than calling us names.
    Total 2nd grade. Or maybe first. Are there any grown ups on the left? Beuller?

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  39. Russ Avatar

    Crowdsourcing Voter Registration Files.
    The President’s Election Commission has asked the States to prove their voter roles, data that are available to any citizen by calling for a CD/DVD copy. There is often a small fee. The State of California has refused to provide the Voter Registration Rolls to the Commission. Perhaps they are afraid of what the Commission will find, for example proving President Trump was correct, millions of illegals vote Democrat. Voting as the President of Mexico encouraged all Mexican citizens in the US to do in the November 2016 Presidential Election. No mention in the press of that meddling in our election.
    My proposal is we crowdsource the Voter Data Rolls for the Commission. One person in each of the 58 Counties go to their elections office and request a copy of the voter rolls, paying the fee if necessary. Once the requestor has obtained the DVD, they mail it to the Election Commission. I have sent an email asking the President’s Election Commission for a mailing address.
    Perhaps this is an activity the Tea Party might want to support or some other voter watchdog group. Your thoughts?

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  40. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    This stuff just writes itself – “J.T. Thomas, chairman of the agency’s board, said he was forming a transition committee to make plans for various alternatives, including shutting down the agency in 2020.”
    Remember when the left-nuts falsely claimed Bush was banning ‘stem cell research’?
    Well – Kali voters thought they would show him a thing or two. They decided to screw them selves out of a lot of money and hand it over to a bunch of sharpies who knew how to take free money when it ws handed to them.
    Oh – they were going to cure blindness! Remember?
    My brother in law is still blind and the Kali voters are still out billions.
    http://capitolweekly.net/5billion-stem-cell-bond-scrapped/
    Oh gosh – looks like they’re folding their scam-tent.
    Well – a lot of the 1 percent get their money and Kali is headed for the same doom as Illinois

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Russ at 7:56 – the ‘cost’ is nothing. They will spend billions of our money to stop the flow of information.
    You won’t get the info until the next election and then the left will say – “it’s old news.”

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  42. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    My guess is that cheating on voting is viewed as reasonable since it overcomes some sort of perceived advantage that the Koch Bros. (or whoever) brings in funding to Team Red. As the ‘peoples’ party, it’s cool for Team Blue to bring in those with sketchy immigration status, folks in convalescent hospitals who can barely scratch an ‘x’, etc. because it’s more ‘fair’.
    Russ @ 7:56, it seems to me that any state party could do a good job of it’s own investigation. No need for federal involvement except as a place to turn over the results.
    Now, you have to admit that it’s ironic that voting is a state matter, while immigration is a federal matter, but states and state courts appear to only believe the latter is true when it suits their own notion of national boundaries.

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  43. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse
  44. Russ Avatar

    SFTA@1 July 2017 at 06:07 AM
    You have an excellent point. However, it is the Feds who have the list of 15 + million illegal immigrant that can be cross-checked against the voter registration rolls. Yes, California could check the illegal’s drivers licenses against the registration rolls but they will not share that information with any voter registration investigation because they already know the outcome. Many of those illegals were registered when they got the drivers license. As John Stoos writes in a battle with the lefties on another local blog:
    Bruce, my point is that IF California has nothing to hide, then they could prove or disprove the President’s claim almost single-highhandedly because of the size of our state and the list of non-citizens with driver’s licenses that they have on file. Run the cross check and if there are 123 people who voted illegally then there is no way the claim about 2-3 million can be true. If on the other hand five or six hundred thousand votes were cast from this data pool, then the President’s figure is very believable.
    I think the 15 states refusing to provide the voter registration data have something to hide. It is time for the people to speak up and validate the voter registration rolls. Mabe this could be a project for the Republican Women Federated. They are known to be an organization that can get things done.

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  45. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Fish, my point is that IF Trump has nothing to hide, then he could prove or disprove the publics claims almost single-highhandedly because he has access to his tax returns…..
    Do you get it? The argument that if someone has nothing to hide they should release information cuts both ways.
    Plus just to be clear there are now more than 24 states refusing to release detailed voter information to the federal government more than half of them with Republican Governors or Secretaries of State.

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Apples and oranges. If we follow through with your logic you should publish your personal returns since you derive your income from the taxpayers. He is not required to and I support that. There should be some privacy left when you are elected.

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  47. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Nonsense..in the United States of America “if you have nothing to hide you should release your data…” is not a rationale, for Trump and his ridiculous commission or for you and my personal tax returns. One would think that over the long 4th of July weekend one would understand that.
    In the case of Trump his personal tax returns will be released as part of an on-going criminal investigation of obstruction of justice and violations of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution as part of “due process.” It is only a matter of time.
    But let’s play a game…if information can be released based on suspicion instead of due process…George, can we see your parents citizenship papers? Todd can we see you foreclosure documents? Greg can we see you FAA crash investigation reports? Walt can we see you concealed carry permit? Fish can we see your audited financial statements? …..See, none of those are ‘reasonable’ requests.
    Elections in the United State are decentralized and over seen by state governments….so for you ‘states rights’ advocates I would think you would have problem with this….as do many Republican Governors and Secretaries of State.

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  48. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: SF@7:30AM
    I think I tend to agree that the President’s tax records should be made public. In this case, it’s something of a fishing expedition since big deal real estate developers are bound to have sketchy taxes by civilian standards, and so political hay is to be made, but perhaps educating people about what is considered normal at the high end is worthwhile.
    By the same token, now that the President (post WWI?) has been made a sort of temporary monarch, you can argue for full transparency in a lot of matters. Health issues by non-biased doctors, school records, etc. It’s the biggest job interview in the world.
    Perhaps you would drive away most highly qualified candidates by doing this, but I’d like to feel that over time people would be less childlike in assuming perfection from their Lords and Masters

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  49. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 01 July 2017 at 07:33 AM
    “There should be some privacy left when you are elected.”
    Todd I agree with that…there should be.
    But I also want to ask a simple question. If as part of an investigation of obstruction of justice it is discovered that Presidents Trump’s companies have taken substantial amounts of financing for their projects from Russian government controlled banks….would you consider that a convict of interest and a violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution and should he bee impeached?

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