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Sandbox – 9jun17

[Well, there you have it.  Former FBI director Comey is a politician for all seasons.  Where else can you find a man who can deliver to both sides of a terminally divided Washington a smorgasbord version of events that can concurrently bring pleasure if not outright glee to both sides of the aisle?  Everyone found much to like in what he said – a tour de force performance by the now ever copasetic, cautiously comportable (yet cowardly?) Comey.  gjr]

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190 responses to “Sandbox – 9jun17”

  1. Spike Avatar
    Spike

    Let Ockham’s razor be your guide. Trump or Comey, who lies?

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Spike | 09 June 2017 at 10:02 AM
    I’d give the nod to Trump.
    Of course most of the frustrated Hillary supporters really find themselves in a quandary when the subject of telling the truth comes up.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/864494717034085/?type=3&theater
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/08/james-comey-loretta-lynch-tried-to-influence-statements-on-hillary-clinton-investigation/
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1104225446378158/?type=3&theater

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/comey-told-grassley-never-leaked-secret-information-admitted-leaked-classified-information-today-video/
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1462670783778856&set=p.1462670783778856&type=3&theater
    Ok, this one is old news. From Wednesday’s hearings. Nothing to see here or read in MSM.
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2017/06/08/nets-ignore-oversight-report-showing-holder-impeded-fast-and

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Spike 902
    You misapply and misunderstand Occam’s razor.
    Hell hath no fury like an FBI director scorned.

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  6. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Comey should be lawyer shopping today. As predicted, he cooked his own goose being and admitted LEAKIER. The news of those charge filings are out. Spit roasting VS grilling is a tough choice. Then again, bringing back the Brazen Bull is a good option.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trump came away from the Comey stuff unscathed.

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  8. Bonnie McGuire Avatar
    Bonnie McGuire

    Remember this going on a week before the election?
    FBI Director James Comey reopened the agency’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails last week because “almost 100” agents threatened to resign before next week’s election, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay told Newsmax TV.
    “A few weeks ago, almost 100 agents were threatening Comey that they were going to resign — and that kind of pressure is what turned him around,” DeLay, 69, the majority leader from 2003 to 2005, said on Tuesday’s “The Steve Malzberg Show.” “It wasn’t Comey or his integrity.
    “I know he made a huge mistake when he indicted Clinton — though not indicting her — but now he’s trying to turn that around.
    “He had to do it now or have all these FBI agents resign,” he added. “That would have probably been a bigger story than what Comey did.
    “He got the pressure. He got the notice.
    “He understood as far as his own job and being able to go forward in his own job and his reputation,” DeLay said.
    “If 100 FBI agents resigned before the election, he would have been toast.” And the side show goes on and on…
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/tom-delay-email-probe-fbi-agents/2016/11/01/id/756491/

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sure Todd. That’s why he’s soaring in the polls and has the support of the American people. Here’s some numbers on whether Trump fired Comey to protect himself or for the good of the country. The numbers are 64% – 24% that he Fired Comey to protect himself rather than for the good of the country. Pretty grim for the ol’ Trumper.
    http://www.pollingreport.com/

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  10. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    A person here claimed a “bombshell” was on the way. Turns out it was a burning bag of Labrador poo on his own front step that was stomped out barefoot. Don’t forget to scrape between the toes.

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  11. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Blame this on the Russians.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/09/canvassers-for-dem-tied-group-charged-in-voter-registration-fraud-scheme.html

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 09 June 2017 at 01:17 PM
    Punchy was a boxer I thought! He oughta understand the concept of a “draw”.

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  13. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Far from a draw Fish. Comey cut his own throat. Admitting he leaked for pure political reasons took a special kind of stupid.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    He covered his butt with his dated recollections of conversations he had with Trump. He also shared that with others at the FBI. Trumps bullshit about tapes will haunt him. Trump has no credibility in this one being a serial liar with a proven record of not telling the truth.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt @ 1:17 pm. Barefoot is best for stomping on the flaming bad of bombshells, but nice expensive sandals runs a close second. Smiley face.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/864357237047833/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/864496387033918/?type=3&theater

    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/863964700420420/?type=3&theater

    You are doing great there, you really got him on the ropes now, Mr. Dope-on-the-Ropes. Love the Bob &Weave Show. Hope you catch your second wind soon. Man, you have been snappy lately. Irritable. You look like you could use a big hug to make you feel validated. You are so precious. There, feel better now?
    Havr a good day from The Deplorables.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/864497880367102/?type=3&theater

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  16. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Try again Paul. Comey screwed up the time line. Those facts are out.
    Trump has lied about nothing. Back to manufacturing “evidence” Paul?
    Your CNN and MSNBC are already eating crow.

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1104006813066688/?type=3&theater

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  18. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I am trying to figure out how and why people would think that Comey cooked his own goose or harmed his position at all by ‘leaking’….he did not ‘leak,’ he relayed his experience in the conversation. Nothing in the conversation that Comes released was classified, it is entirely legal to talk about it, and he is a private citizen now, so he is violating no professional commitment.

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  19. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Paul.. Opinion is not a fact. Can’t impeach on “opinion”. Opinion is not criminal.
    But leaking IS If Comey leaked what’s admitted to what else did he leak? Looks like plenty.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 09 June 2017 at 01:31 PM
    I just don’t see this going anywhere.
    https://jonathanturley.org/2017/06/08/did-comey-violate-laws-in-leaking-memo/

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    From Deplorable News Network, June 7, 2017.
    Headline: “MSM Hopes Comey Hearing Precipitates Trump Impeachment. It Won’t.”
    Other headlines from last night and today are on the lines of “Punchy hopes Comey Testimony will Inditct Trump, but Comey indicts himself”…..”Comey perjured Himself”….”Lynch Pressured Comey, Comey When Along”…..”House Oversight Report finds Holder obstructed Justice, crickets from Fakenewsmen” and on and on it goes.
    Ah heck, just impeach the bastard now. Geeze, it will calm down all you with the Derangement Syndrome better than warm milk and a nappy pooh. I hate seeing grown men cry. Try some fishing to soothe the savage beast or something. Who knows what you might catch next,
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10154781456950914/?type=3&theater

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  22. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Comey supplied the high quality nuts and bolts to build his own gallows.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, Gotta go along with Fish on this one. It goes nowhere or not far with charges against Comey. Just the way the cookie crumbles in Washington.
    Sure, Comey lied, or bumped his head and can’t remember Squat, Jack, or Bo Diddley. No mater. Maybe Trump will say “he has already been fired so let’s not drag him and what is left of his reputation through the ringer, if possible. He has already paid the price, but that’s just my take. He is a good man,” See, Trump will be fair. Oh wait, Trump said that about Flynn. Me bad. Obstruction of Justice! Impeach the lying POS. Carry on.
    Let Comey go quietly into the still of the night. He served well and did what he was told.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/864490833701140/?type=3&theater

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  24. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    That could be so, but I can see the possibility of Trump making an example out of him.
    Trump doesn’t take backstabbing lightly.(nor would I) This a new justice dept. Laws mean things.

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  25. Spike Avatar
    Spike

    Released the content of the memo.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, all this is fun and games, but let’s get back to The CHARGE:
    The charge is COLLUSION. Who is this very powerful person or persons who colluded with the Russians to turn our whole political system on its head and effectually changed the outcome on the 2016 election to ensure Trump’s win??. Who is this most powerful person? To upset the whole apple cart and make Trump’s win against all odds? Collusion. The charge is COLLUSION.
    Oh, I ain’t taking about someone having business ties with Russian or having a foreign bank account or giving a speech to Russians businessmen or even Russians in general. Carter Paige? He did nothing. Paul Mannafort? Nah. No, who is this powerful person that colluded with a foreign government to alter the course of history?? Who has such power to cullude with Putin to make Donald J. Trump the 45th POTUS????? Who? How did they do it?? Who?
    Yo Punchy, the charge is collusion. Not screwing Russian hookers or sending olive branches, or bromance or being a big fat narcissistic liar. Who is so powerful to collude with the Russians to totally upend the entire US political system???
    With all the NSA intercepts, surely there must be a name to put on this most powerful person or persons. Someone so mighty that 60 million people turned out to vote for Trump that were otherwise not ever going to do that? Whoever this person is, he or she must be greater than anyone I know walking the face of the Earth. Soros? Putin? Obama? Who, who, who?
    Remember all, the CHARGE is collusion. The reason Trump is the season. Who possesses that kind of power? Doesn’t anybody in the Intel Gang of Eight know?? pUNCHY, ho is it?

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Comey is not lying. If he was why would he encourage Trump to release the “tapes” that according to Trump would show he (comey) lied. Of course there are no tapes.
    that was just fake news from Trump.
    Comey wrote his memo’s to cover he ass. Trump is toast on this one.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Comey had the conversation with President Trump while he was a federal employee. The conversation was privileged and confidential between the two of them (recall Trump indicated that when he cleared the room), therefore the material Comey subsequently recorded was a confidential government record and government property. Its content could be declassified or made public at a later time, but it had not been so done when Comey leaked it. It matters not whether you are a private citizen or not when you disclose such classified information. Those of us who held security clearances most of our lives know this important little piece of law. Why did it escape Comey?

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Sorry Paul but Trump is just fine. And he said he would testify under oath n it. Comey made this stuff up after the fact as he never did this befor. When he revealed he did not memo after Lynch and her meeting with him regarding Clinton on the plane that was the key. He is lying and Trump is not.

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  30. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Dr. R, Comey confirmed he has been a lap dog clitonista all along. He rolled over for Holder and Lynch by going with the party line on the broad Clinton issues. The veil was ripped off Comey in large part by his own statements on how weak he was. That’s why he kept getting plum assignments where he was malleable to dem influence, no memos written about Lynch or 0.
    Po’ ol’ PE’s months long fakenewsman narrative is burnt toast.;-)

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well George we’ll find out. I doubt if charges will ever be filed against Comey. Trump is playing with the big boys here. To quote Micky Rourke in the movie Buffalo 66 “You mess with us and something very very evil will happen. Remember Deep Throat. It’s what happens when you mess with the FBI.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Oh yeah, Trump will never testify unless he’s under Subpoena. Never, I’m sure he’s already been scolded by his attorney

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  33. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 09 June 2017 at 04:52 PM
    I am sorry there is nothing ‘privileged’ about a conversation between two government officials if no classified material is contained. Clearing a room does not make the information classified. There may be an expectation of confidentiality while someone is an employee, but if they leave the prohibition leaves. If that were not the case no one who left service in the White House would ver able to write a book 🙂
    It is my understanding that the memo’s are in the possession of the Special Counsel. The memos have not been classified. Comey testimony did not include the documents as exhibits–he recalled their content from memory.
    So in short–the information was not classified. As someone who held a security clearance for many years I assume you could tell the difference between a classified document and an embarrassing one.

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  34. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Really Paul? I guess you didn’t see the Rose garden statement. I see your in your evidence workshop. Keep working on your fake news.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, of course there are no tapes. Geeze, what a numbskull. That was all for you all to look like imbeciles, duh. You guys cannot not fall for it. You just keep on walking straight into it. It’s called leading with the chin.
    After all this time, Trump still yanks your chain. It’s poetry in motion, the Ketstone Kops on the case, the monkey trying to hump the football….come on Paul, help me out with the imagery. Wait, I got it. Lucy holding the ball for Charlie Brown.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/860387770778113/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1104286186372084/?type=3&theater

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  36. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Damn Frisch,, better read the laws about that. It blatantly obvious you didn’t.
    They are all over the news. Too late for damage control. The SS LIB Slant is going under.
    ” George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley stated on his website that although the memos were created by Comey, the former FBI director would likely have to follow federal non-disclosure laws of classified and unclassified information.
    Turley writes, “Besides being subject to Nondisclosure Agreements, Comey falls under federal laws governing the disclosure of classified and non-classified information. Assuming that the memos were not classified (though it seems odd that it would not be classified even on the confidential level), there is 18 U.S.C. § 641 which makes it a crime to steal, sell, or convey ‘any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof.’”

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, Punchy, I will go with you on this one, despite my better judgement and your stellar track record on recent events. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and agree 100% with your written word, experience, and wisdom whose depths know no bounds. Lead on! I am marching with you on this particular matter.
    “Comey wrote his memo’s to cover he ass. Trump is toast on this one.”
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 09 June 2017 at 04:42 PM
    TRUMP IS TOAST ON THIS ONE. Thus sayeth the Fakenewsman, a very smart fellar. Written in stone on this date in history. MARK THE TAPE!!

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  38. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Fisch needs some education on federal record laws and executive communications rules for members of the executive branch. Those are federal documents composed on a federal computer in a federal vehicle by a presidential appointee who serves at the pleasure of the President. 😉

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Many, many classes of federal employee have to have their manuscripts vetted by their former agency before publication. 😉

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Breaking News! Punchy did not, I repeat, did not vote for Loretta Lynch nor Comey either.

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  41. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I am sorry, but Comey conveyed the record to Mueller…he testified based on his memory. He briefed his friend based on his memory. That is not a “record.” Records were not obeyed, memories were. The memories were not classified.
    There is a difference.
    Posted by: Walt | 09 June 2017 at 05:34 PM

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  42. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I think its kind of funny how you guys are conflating someones recollection of an event with an official record. I can’t help but think it is intentional.

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  43. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    “…obeyed…” should read “conveyed’

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trump is fine. Comey is trying to save himself. He tangled with the wrong guy. Trump is telling the truth. Get used to losing.

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Notes of an FBI agent are theirs to share with whomever they desire seems to be the Frischian belief. Really, Steve? So why didn’t Comey just talk off the record to the reporter directly?

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Any paperwork or memos or emails of a government employee is FOIA findable. Frisch is as usual wrong.

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  47. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The eco warrior does not get or is willfully ignoring that Comey testified under oath that he gave the memos to his professor buddy to give to the NYT.
    When you have your classified outbrief it is made crystal clear that the rules follow you to the grave or declassification of the item.
    😉

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  48. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Greg, notes regarding an investigation would not be free to share…regardless in this case notes were not shared…recollections were… and there was no case, the President was not under investigation. One can only “leak” classified information. Comey went to great lengths not to put anything classified in the memo and not convey any recollection that could be considered classified.
    According to media reports, Trump plans on filing a complaint with the Department of Justice next week based on Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz accusation of Comey, “unilaterally and surreptitiously” making “unauthorised disclosures to the press of privileged communications with the president”.
    The problem is that the conversation was not privileged either. First they can’t claim privilege because they have already publicly waived it. Remember that? To claim privilege one would need o identify what the privilege is…as in executive privilege…and they did not do so.
    No one has sited either any specific non-disclosure agreement (the FBI does not require one) nor has anyone quoted any specific FBI rule against recollecting a non classified event.
    However, filing a claim with the DOJ could be considered witness intimidation…which I think could be a real issue here.

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  49. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 09 June 2017 at 06:30 PM
    Wrong Todd, if as you claim this is classified or privileged it would not be subject to a FOIA claim. If it was not classified or privileged it would be subject to FOIA….and THUS IT WOULD BE LEGAL FOR HIM TO SHARE IT…thus you are either confused, or speaking jabberwocky.

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  50. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Clearly it is an interesting legal argument…one going on in the press right now…and you are all wrong…and confusing the difference between a ‘leak’ what is privileged, …and the content was never ‘classified’ as George contended.

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