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George Rebane

We’re on a little RV trip to the NorCal coast with friends.  This gives us a chance to sample the extent of care that California’s infrastructure has enjoyed under decades of leftwing leadership in Sacramento.  Our roads are an absolute mess, the posterchild of which is the Pacific Coast Highway or State Highway 1.  This is the state’s premier icon roadway that has been a tourist draw for decades, providing endless picture postcard views of the rugged coast punctuated by scenic beaches.  The highway now is approaching ‘tank trail’ status familiar to combat arms veterans from their training days at army and marine bases with impact areas.  When you decide take Hwy 1 today, make sure your tires and shocks are in good condition.

Sacramento’s most recent bamboozle response to this was SB1, the gas tax and registration fee increases signed by Gov Moonbeam, now as mindless as his progressive pals in the state’s legislature.  Past increases in such taxes and fees have landed overwhelmingly in the general fund where they are used primarily to pay for underperforming state agencies and hold back the realization that the gap between payments to government retirees and the ability to continue these, as reflected in the plans’ unfunded liabilities, is rampantly growing.

Nevertheless, the state’s solidly liberal majority is ignorant of and blind to the fiscal fiasco in which California is now helplessly thrashing.  The people who do headcounts tell us that the exodus of productive middle-class Californians is also on the upswing from the dull roar which we have experienced since it was clear that the state’s recovery stats were mostly cynical propaganda.  The proximal cause is Agenda21 driven housing costs which have vaulted out of reach the ability of workers to own homes.  And there is no sign that the draconian anti-development regulations will ever be rolled back to let the market determine what kind of houses will be built where.  Stack and Pack in unaffordable urban areas remains the only game in the state.

In the meantime, the functional idiots in Sacramento are again talking about making fossil fuel use illegal for energy generation and transportation.  After all, when it comes to diving for the bottom, California must maintain its hard-earned leadership position.  The profusion of ‘potholes’ populate more than the state’s highways and byways.

[5may17 update]  Enough Californians are not convinced about SB1 really going to fund infrastructure repairs that they are supporting an initiative filed by assemblyman Travis Allen (R-Orange County) to repeal the latest bamboozle.  The Left, along with its usual suspects, continues to tell people that this time the money will actually go toward road repairs etc.  The initiative will require a supportive petition signed by at least 365,880 voters; but the bad part is that we will not get to vote on it until November 2018.  Do your part and send in $5 to support the petition drive.  (more here and here)

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112 responses to “Panorama of Progressive Potholes (updated 5may17)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Interesting George that you make no comment on Trumps proposed tax cuts and what that might mean to the deficit. As I recall you are a supporter of a balanced budget. Are you comfortable that economic growth will compensate for the loses in tax dollars as a result of Trumps proposal? Will you support increased deficit if economic growth does not match loses?

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Please Paul, try to stay on topic. Those with a mere 6th grade grade reading comprehension level can grasp the fact that this entire post is about CA’s problems, from literally potholes on PCH to expensive regulations affecting our unaffordable housing with unappealing stack and pack as the only housing options for millions.
    Trump’s budget? Are we taking about the price of tea in China or just apples and oranges, or bob and weave rope-a-dope stuff. As you know, CA must balance its own budget because the states can’t print money….by law.
    The slow moving train wreck of the horrid state of disrepair of CA’s neglected highways, bridges, dams, and byways is no secret. It’s become glaringly as well as painfully obvious. Newer (more) taxes usually in the guise to fix something are more often than not end up ultimately in the general fund to mask targeted tax revenues diverted to pay for the unfounded pension liabilities. And don’t get me started on the growing “weep hole” friggin leak half way up the face of the Oroville Dam coming from the reservoir side or the fact that 18% of our State’s budget now goes to housing, feeding, helping, and incarcerating illegal aliens who are here illegally. CA is the topic.
    Now Punchy, try it again. Focus my good man, focus.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3iokKq1VUrE

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  3. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: PE @ 10:23
    ” Trumps proposed tax cuts and what that might mean to the deficit.”
    Just imagine how quickly you could pay off the deficit with a 100% tax rate, it would be miraculous.
    It seems to me that Saint Obama and his merry men left so many timebombs…perpetual 0% interest rates, a thoroughly riled up Middle East (as if Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t enough) and the crash and burn of the ACA unless a whole lotta huge new checks got cut…that there won’t be all that much wiggle room in a Trump-era administration.
    About all that has been added to the mix is the tiniest glimmer of hope that immigration law will be enforced. Maybe that’s enough.
    Hang on, another good deed got done by the political sea change. It managed to smoke out the real motives of the non-deplorables and properly identify them. For one thing it’s now obvious, even to the dimmest citizen, that traditional MSM media is totally in the bag for the Green Libertarians.

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  4. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    I had to laugh at Darrell Berkheimer’s opinion piece in the Union about the amount of money he had to pay at DMV to register his pickup truck vs what he’d paid in Montana.
    Darrell seems like a nice enough sort of good natured lefty operating in the usual sort of fact-free lefty way. Normally he extols the wonder of a socialized govt, but like most of the leftward leaners, once his own wallet is being hosed in real time to pay for the people’s republic he suddenly gets all cranky-like.
    Among the few folk not on welfare to actually move to Kalifornia, he dreamed of great weather, lots of cheap labor illegals, and a halo of good intentions as a card carrying lefty.
    One would think he had done his due diligence before making his move. I know that I spent time visiting web sites dedicated to the various differences in tax structures and rates of the sundry states I was considering moving to. Of course, there is no perfect and the state that has a good deal for me may not have the best deal for you.
    If you have no money, no education, no skills, no job and no care for following any rules beyond supporting/voting Democrat, Kalifornia is the dream state, for sure.
    Pot holes in the road will be the least of your worries pretty soon.

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  5. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    These lesson is simple enough, if you are in a state which is big on rules and cash extraction, you’d best be a member of a well organized self-interested group. There’s a reason that the teacher’s union benefits while pickup truck owners pay.
    On another matter, I really enjoy how fast the internet has made a news cycle.
    This morning:
    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/123933076
    This afternoon:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03/documents-indicate-emmanuel-macron-may-be-engaging-tax-evasion
    If it’s true, it’ll never make it to CNN since they have a dog in this fight.

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  6. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    ‘These lesson’ geesh. ‘The lesson’.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well Bill and Scenes it seems the overall topic of this post is fiscal responsibility in government so it’s a natural extension of the conversation to ask if you believe economic growth will more than or at least compensate to the lost revenues due to Trumps tax cuts. If it doesn’t in your view is it acceptable to increase the national debt to pay the difference?

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 03 May 2017 at 03:42 PM
    What do you think Paul?

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I don’t claim to be an economist but I’ve read that it’s doubtful there will be enough growth to compensate. Here’s a quote from Fox Business:
    “Alan Cole, an economist at the right-leaning Tax Foundation, calculates that the corporate tax cuts alone would lower government revenue by $2 trillion over 10 years. That would require growth to accelerate nearly a full percentage point, to 2.8 percent a year, from its current level. Yet Cole forecasts that growth would increase only 0.4 percent-percentage point? annually.
    Other economists say that if the cuts balloon the deficit, the jump in government borrowing would swell interest rates and make it harder for businesses and households to borrow and spend.
    Ethan Harris, chief global economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, says such a “crowding out” effect can cancel out any benefits to the economy.”
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/04/26/trump-tax-cut-huge-vague-and-likely-mild-boost-for-economy.html

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 03 May 2017 at 04:11 PM
    Following that rationale I assume that you’ve been most upset with the same phenomenon occurring under the auspices of existing fed and Obamanomics policy?

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  11. George Boardman Avatar

    Hey boys, it’s time to start checking out the real estate in Nevada, Idaho and other scenic locations. If Trump gets his way, you won’t be able to deduct your state income tax and property tax from your reportable federal income.
    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence the proposal will hit hardest in those states that voted for Hilary Clinton.

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  12. Russ Avatar

    Back to the topic:
    From the Sac Business Journal:
    A lack of housing isn’t just a problem for the construction and real estate industries, according to Joel Kotkin, a presidential fellow in urban futures at Chapman University in Orange.
    On a statewide scale, it also threatens to turn California into a majority renter state, and push many middle-class residents — particularly millennials — to move elsewhere, he said in a presentation to California Association of Realtors members at a conference Tuesday at the Sacramento Convention Center. Here are other intriguing pieces of his research and presentation.
    1. “Whatever we’re doing policywise is making it much worse,” Kotkin said, especially at the state level, where regulation and environmental policy limit where housing is built and how much is built.
    2. Among the state’s largest metropolitan statistical areas, Sacramento gained 10 percent in net migration from 2000 to 2015, while larger ones largely lost people.
    3. Though many growth policies favor high-density housing and many urban experts believe it’s where market demand is going, surveyed millennials favor homeownership in suburban locations, Kotkin said. The percentage who favor an urban lifestyle, 10 to 15 percent of all adults, has stayed consistent for decades.
    4. Rather than emphasize transit as a way to limit greenhouse gasses, policymakers should emphasize working at home, which is far more efficient, he said.
    5. Other policy prescriptions would involve converting redundant, existing commercial spaces into housing; reform of regulations to favor middle-class housing for families; developing higher paying employment centers closer to where people live; and creating a transportation system for the 21st century, such as rideshare, over what he called 19th century transportation systems, such as buses and rail.
    6. “You’ve got to have new houses that are built on the periphery of cities,” he said, adding California is far from running out of land. “It’s the only way to make it affordable.”
    http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2017/05/03/housing-expert-build-or-say-goodbye-to-millennials.html

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Trump is supposed to make things better not worse Fish. That’s why he was elected I understand. Should we further go into debt to finance Trump Tax Cuts Fish?

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Boardman | 03 May 2017 at 04:29 PM
    Well George…..you were an Obama voter if I’m not mistaken. Remember his maxim…..that “elections have consequences”!

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 03 May 2017 at 04:34 PM
    Should we further go into debt to finance Trump Tax Cuts Fish?

    Philosophically I wouldn’t think so…..but regardless of whether or not the Trump tax cuts are implemented the debt will continue to grow!

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    GB @ 429- It may also mean that folks in CA start caring who much grandpa jerry is in their wallets when state tax becomes a real expense. That could have all kids of repercussions going forward. 😉

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The problem is spending, not debt and the last effective Speaker who got that under control was hounded out of office on unfounded charges.
    Perhaps someone will turn Ryan into a Newt.
    The one party state which art in Sacramento will not rule forever. Patience, grasshoppers.

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    G Boardman at 4:29 “I’m sure it’s just a coincidence the proposal will hit hardest in those states that voted for Hilary Clinton.”
    Well – yes and no.
    The idea that folks from low/no state income tax states were subsidizing folks from high tax states at the fed level has bothered a lot of conservatives long before Hilary ever ran for anything. So, yes – coincidence.
    The concept that people that live in high tax states tend to vote for Dems (hence Hilary) ends up costing them if this fed tax deduction goes away is then also not a coincidence.
    Of course if the fed deduction goes away, Kalifornia is awash with democracy, so the guys and gals in Sacto can quickly lower the state income tax rates – right?

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  19. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: state income tax deductions,etc. …The standard deduction is also going to increase. View it as an increase in the marginal tax rate for upper earners.
    re: What’s the ‘right’ tax rate for increasing fed revenue. …Dunno. You’ll probably get a fake Nobel prizes in economics if you can work that one out.
    re: ‘Red’ states supporting ‘blue’ states. …It’s probably best to view it as a form of imperialism. Blue states own productive assets while the worker bees in the hinterland toil in the factories. There’s a lot of money on the coasts, but too much of it is in the FIRE business and in control of the colonies in the interior.
    Given the large percentage of government outlay that is contained in entitlement programs, public pension plans, etc., all of which form a kind of political third rail, my own bet is for a bond market explosion and currency crisis at some point. Political party of the President will not matter

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George Boardman | 03 May 2017 at 04:29 PM
    What is it about the liberals that when we dissent they suggest we move? That is a very consustent attitude. I would use their idea to encourage them, GeorgeB and his pal the FUE etal, to move to another country. Maybe North Korea. Since they really like authoritarian leaders and rules. And high taxes. So go getum!

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    A big progressive pothole that ails California is actually endemic across the land, and afflicts both the high and low brows of the progressive pundit pantheon. Nationally we witness the outrage at ex-WSJ columnist Bret Stephens’ first contribution at NYT on climate change – a very balanced and considerate piece examining the question. That it didn’t hew to the True Believers’ mantras gave them cause to call for his immediate removal from the newspaper. More here –
    https://judithcurry.com/2017/05/02/nyes-quadrant/
    The local liberal low brows ape their national betters by calling for the similar silencing of those of us who don’t march in lockstep with their looney tunes now playing out in California; or is it Kalifornia?

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Kalifornication.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Okay using that line of thinking (your 6:36) renews my encouragement of you relocating in Modoc County which will remain a solid Red County since Nevada County will soon be certified Blue. Lots of gun lovers up there and no pesky environmentalists to spoil your day.

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  24. Russ Avatar

    Middle Class must be Higher Priority for California Leaders
    For years, economists, business leaders and policymakers warned that the decline in blue-collar manufacturing jobs in California would leave us with a shrinking middle class, limited economic mobility and a plethora of social ills traditionally equated with systemic poverty.
    A recent report by the Los Angeles Economic Development Corporation demonstrates that those warnings have become a reality.
    Since 2007, the loss of our manufacturing base has cost Los Angeles nearly 89,000 good-paying middle-class jobs. Those jobs have been replaced with service-sector jobs that pay less than half of the jobs they replaced. At the same time, Los Angeles County has seen poverty rates climb, the middle class shrink, housing affordability grow beyond the grasp of working people, and homelessness hit crisis proportions. Our “middle class” is slipping away into a world of haves and have-nots.
    http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2017/05/middle-class-must-higher-priority-california-leaders/

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 03 May 2017 at 08:16 PM
    You reading skills are quite in need of help. I would prefer to stay here as this is my home. You flatlanders have wrecked the place so bad that people do giv up and leave. You belong in the Haight Ashbury where Nancy Pelosi would be your rep and SF is a sanctuary city to hide your illegal pals. I have never owned a gun but I do know self defense. And now that Trump is President he reflects my postions on exposing the fake eco’s and the lies of “climate change” and all that. As far as the county registration. You had a blip with MJ registrations which will now be purged and the balance will be restored as a R hegmony here.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Boardman from behind the walls of guarded gated community tells others outside in the hinterlands they should move…move farther security parameter in whence he dwells. Sweet, nuff said.
    What is it with these intolerate CA liberals?
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1079480665519303/?type=3&theater

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    OMG, the debt!! I don’t recall any canidate giving the debt or deficient anymore than lip service during the recent election. It wasn’t a campaign issue for some odd reason.
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10154675465965914/?type=3&theater
    That Trump is something else. When there is a will, there is a way.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/844040002412890/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1080314658769237/?type=3&theater

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Soon California…….soon!

    “Collections from state income tax collapsing despite tax hikes”

    http://wtnh.com/2017/04/28/income-tax-revenue-collapses-malloy-says-taxing-the-rich-doesnt-work/

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  29. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: BT @ 11:33
    “Boardman from behind the walls of guarded gated community tells others outside in the hinterlands they should move”
    I wonder sometimes who keeps giving George ‘Get Offa My Lawn’ Boardman the talking stick. You might as well just write down some rant you hear in a bar.
    It’s interesting watching Obamacare melt down (as expected). I really do wonder what the endgame will be.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03/obamacare-implosion-iowa-wont-have-healthcare-access-2018-last-major-provider-pulls-
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-aetna-virginia-idUSKBN17Z2CS
    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/31/anthem-likely-to-retreat-from-obamacare-for-2018-analysts-say/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/health/humana-plans-to-pull-out-of-obamacares-insurance-exchanges.html?_r=0
    You can argue that it’s all a negotiation ploy, but since it really affects only a subset of people (non-poor, under 65, don’t get health insurance from an employer, actually buy insurance, etc.) I don’t really know how much of a fire will get lit to do anything one way or the other. It’s similar to the way in which gun owners and pickup truck drivers (to pick two) can get messed with by the state since they aren’t well represented.
    One thing that I just thought about will be the uproar over pre-existing conditions. A lot of people came out of the woodwork and were more honest in their dealings with the health industry, are now on record has having issues, and the rules may well change back to the old ways. I keep wondering when (they may already have done this) insurers will buy personalized private information on peoples’ web searches for medical issues. It would be a good way to smoke out those damn sick people.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    re fish 822am – It continues to intrigue me why so many people dun the Laffer Curve. The rationale behind Laffer’s argument seems obvious and beyond reproach – lower an already low tax rate and you reduce govt revenues; increase an already high tax rate and you get the same effect because such high rates discourage risk taking for taxable profits and give rise to widespread tax avoidance heroics in the economy. Somewhere in the middle there is a ‘goldilocks region’ where govt revenues are at their highest. It was ever thus, but the Left’s double dummies can’t wrap their little minds around this natural human behavior (as they miss so many other obvious ways that people react to govt mandates, and are constantly surprised).

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 04 May 2017 at 09:16 AM
    It’s not just the Laffer Curve! There is plenty of empirical evidence (remember how important evidence is to the reality based lefty) that supports the hypothesis as well….much of it recent!
    Class warfare is just so satisfying though!

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 04 May 2017 at 09:02 AM
    Have we heard any more about the illegal support of O-Dummy Care through the sweep of Fannie and Freddie mortgage profits……MSM remains mum on the issue!

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George are you confident that the tax revenue from economic gain will compensate for the decline in tax revenue due to tax cuts?

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  34. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: GR
    “Left’s double dummies can’t wrap their little minds around this natural human behavior ”
    Obviously tax policy also becomes a matter of ‘fairness’ and trying to drive some sort of policy. The Laws of Unintended Consequences are dominant, of course.
    It seems to me that we’d be much better off if people spent a bit more time trying to understand market distortions (and why some people get so rich) and less trying to claw it back.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Spending cuts and holding the line against an increase greater than inflation would balance the buget within a ferw years.

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  36. George Boardman Avatar

    I continue to be amazed at the inability of Juvinall to comprehend anything written at a level above what a fourth grader would understand. I don’t care if he or anybody else moves to Idaho or North Korea; just be prepared for a bigger federal tax bill if you stay in California courtesy of Trump.
    As for Tozer’s sneer about living in a gated community, he might be interested to know LOP is the most Republican precinct in the county. He’d find the place welcoming. Of course, he’d have to ditch the trailer. The Republicans who run the place have rules about that sort of thing.
    I wasn’t aware that Bret Stephens left The Wall Street Journal for The New York Times. That explains why I haven’t seen him on Fox News in the morning recently–he went over to the enemy!

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, higher taxes mean less in the government coffers over a couple years as people make adjustments. And adjust they do. Human nature is what it is. Lower taxes increases government revenues. Go figure. Long history of failed projections when taxes are raised and resulting in less greenbacks going into the treasury. It takes a couple years for the impact to be seen and documented. When Reagen cut taxes after 2 years in office, the effect was not felt until a couple years later…just before reelection time. And man o man, were records ever set and, of course, the Dems cannot ever ever ever stand to see a dollar sitting around that they weren’t dying to spend. And spend they did. As an byproduct of the Reagen tax cuts, money poured into non profits at a rate which set records that were off the charts. Guess folks felt more charitable and in the giving mood when they got Uncle Sam off their backs.
    Explaining this all to the uninformed is a waste of time. It takes too much time and precious energy to school the fake news types on what makes the world go round where the rubber meets the road. It’s like they never heard of what we take for granted based on proven track records. Not enough hours in the day. Just be spinning your wheels. Reminds me of a Canadian police chase.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7L45qUFabR0

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  38. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    TJ 10:37. Stroke of genius. Such a master of economics! How did you come up with this amazing theory Todd? Show us the numbers, please. You should demand that Trump appoint you to the Federal Reserve. You might make the cover of Time magazine. . . or maybe MAD magazine. What a dolt.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George Boardman | 04 May 2017 at 10:57 AM
    Amazing that your reading and understanding skills match my 6 year old grandaughters. You are not clever but you think you are. Tax increases by the FEDS? Seems like that is a liberal wet dream GeorgeB. Your pals here in California are doing your bidding, not the feds. I suggest you would be better suited to North Korea than the USA.
    jon smith | 04 May 2017 at 11:13 AM
    All you need to do is use that little used thing between your ears and you may learn something. Cut spending, and keep the budget from growing faster than inflation and in a few uears we have balance. Econ 101. But you don’t even have that skill.

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Boardman @ 10:57 am.
    I thought LOP was in Placer County. Ok, technically it is not North Auburn despite iwhat it looks like and that technically that flatlander section is part of Nevada County. Nobody considers LOP part of the county, except those who live behind the guarded walls and tell the peasants what they should think. And the Sheriffs have to roll there, so it might be under Keith Royal’s jurisdiction. Boy, Bear River HS when the built it was 1/2 the student body size of NU and had twice the police calls. Must be those urbanites coming up and trying to make that inferno zone be just like the urban crime infected neighborhoods back home. I would have 24/7 security too if I drew the short straw and was exiled to LOP to pay my debt to society. Still, it ain’t really part of Nevada County when you get down to it.
    But, I did like your article in The Union whining about the terrible back jarring roads you traveled on a recent trip. On and on you went about the gas tax money not fixing the horrible roads. I feel you pain. Hope you took your teeth out before your roadtrip. Left quite the impression with you. Just another liberal pothole.

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  41. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    Todd do you have any sense of the size of our non discretionary spending liability? How would you suggest we stay ahead of inflation when our mandated spending is directly tied to inflation? “A few years?” to close the gap? Define “a few”. Get your head out of Red Fish Blue Fish just long enough understand the simple ignorance of your plain Jane view of world economics.
    Just for grins, would you suggest we cut spending where we spend the most and with the least amount of oversight . . . military and defense? Or is that not real money because it does not contribute to our GDP?

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: jon smith | 04 May 2017 at 11:52 AM
    Just for grins, would you suggest we cut spending where we spend the most and with the least amount of oversight . . . military and defense? Or is that not real money because it does not contribute to our GDP?

    We spend the most on non discretionary spending…..your social welfare programs…..with pitiful oversight! At least as bad as defense but almost certainly worse!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget#/media/File:CBO_Infographic_2016.png

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    There is an estimated 100 BILLION in fraud and waste in just the Medicaid medicare. The “entitlements” eat up the bulk of the budget. I have not seen a increase in SSN for three years yet the fed budget is up susbstantially. So I and other have sacrifiecd for you Jonnie. The military should not be exempt from oversight. And they should be held accountable for waste fraud and abuse.

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  44. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Mr Fish @ 12:16
    Another way to say the same thing:
    http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/July2014/011_national_defense_1988.png
    I always wonder why people think that defense spending is so huge a percent of the total. The funny thing is that you can trot out these charts and someone like jonsmith will continue to utter the same kind of theory a week later.
    On another matter, given the AHCA partial passage, this might be a good time for Dr. Rebane to write (again) on health insurance. It’s a good topic for conversation, and is far more interesting than hearing about Trump polls and all things Trumphate.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scenes:
    For your reading pleasure Trump is -7.9 average of all major polls and does not lead in any polls. lowest in history and that’s before the Trumpcare mess gets exposure. the Dems were cheering that such a piece or crap was voted by the Pubber House. The Senate will be a blast. Can’t wait.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.htmlhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Still President. And doing a fine job.

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  47. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: PE @ 12:47
    The new bill appears to be a mess, as was the old one. New winners and losers. In the final analysis, everybody wants something for nothing.
    It’s a darned hard thing to write with the potential for too much in the way of iron rice bowl spillage, so I feel their pain.
    Here’s an assignment (when done with the poll Tourette’s). How should a overall health plan work? Please avoid just pointing at some other country’s setup that you don’t understand (ie. I WAS IN DENMARK ONCE AND IT WAS REALLY GOOD THERE).
    I don’t expect Green Libertarians to actually be for something, simply trolling poor Dr. Rebane is probably it’s own reward, but it’s worth thinking about.

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scenes:
    Single payer with something like $3000 deductible so patients pay for their own nicks and scrapes and common ailments. Clinics such as Yuba Docs do a good job on the small stuff. Everybody pays into the insurance pool, no exceptions.
    Something like that.
    By the way in Denmark everybody pays in, no exceptions.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    He’s not doing a fine job according to the majority of Americans.

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  50. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, don’t care about your polls. He is doing a fine job. America is a better country.

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