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Our local graphical commentator RL (Bob) Crabb posted one of his most powerful and well-crafted offerings filched here from the 11apr17 Union.  In it he joins with deep thinkers like (also local commentator) Hilary Hodge and Rodney King to convincingly communicate the โ€˜Why canโ€™t we all just get along?โ€™ message.

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Unfortunately, such effective propaganda messages leave out what the world has experienced and continues to do so today.  I summarize it below.

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[13apr17 update]  A Lament. I discovered at Bob Crabbโ€™s blog that he sees my post above as another episode of โ€œmockingโ€ him. In his post Mr Crabb expanded his own commentary with a thorough drub of RR, to wit โ€“

I see that this latest entry is already being mocked over at Rebaneโ€™s Ruminations. Iโ€™m not surprised. George and his friends have been doing their endless circle jerk for years on end, now emboldened by the regressive policies of the Trump juggernaut. Iโ€™ve long since abandoned any hope of dialog with that snarky crew.

In a futile response I posted this comment โ€“

I am saddened that you consider my critique of your excellent cartoon on RR as being โ€œmockedโ€. No matter how our worldviews may differ, you have always had a respectful reception and, where necessary, a civil counter. In short, I have never mocked you, but would consider it a boon if you could point out which of my posts covering RL Crabb you consider as being of a mocking nature. Perhaps we have different definitions for the term.

Mocking can apparently be done only in writing but not graphically. To confirm this, readers can review all the Crabb cartoons that have adorned these pages over the years, and then decide whether or not they were floated down to us from the mock-free heights which some cartoonists inhabit.

Admittedly, the ad hominems that some RR commenters insist on inserting between serious analyses and commentaries do detract. Unfortunately, I donโ€™t know how to convince my readers that such inserts reflect poorly on RR and, of course, themselves. (Re โ€˜snarkyโ€™ repartees; the boundary between snark and wit is hazy, save for those with a keen sense of othersโ€™ morals. One manโ€™s snark is anotherโ€™s wit.) However, I have yet to find another blog in these parts that has the breadth and depth of covered topics we do here, while welcoming all comers, and whose comment streams more often than not contain thoughtful, well-formed, and appropriately cited entries that expand on or dispute what I or our byline contributors post here.

In the final analysis RR is what it is, and that itself is variously seen/judged by its readers. As made clear over the years, I donโ€™t pretend to present โ€˜fair and balancedโ€™ views simply because I am incapable of such rhetorical feats. And moreover, I believe those who claim to be so blessed are really charlatans or simply ignorant. RR will continue to unabashedly reflect the tinted/tainted views which all of its contributors and commenters bring to this forum. Perhaps someday our betters can forgive us, but we are what we are, and it was ever thus.

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142 responses to “Oh, were it only that simple (updated 13apr17)”

  1. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I remember a caller into some talk radio show, a teenager who claimed to be a relative of a Congresscritter, had a joke:
    How is a tornado like a divorce in Arkansas?
    Somewhere, someone is about to lose a trailer.
    The nastiness is heading my way at the moment, my sweetie is in town… called her to have her hunker down at the CVS or Safeway till it’s blown by.
    http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/grass-valley-ca/95945/weather-radar/332138

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  2. Walt Avatar

    Dodged that one. It stayed north of us.

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  3. Walt Avatar

    Apply RL’s tune to this. I do believe he would only need one eye to see where is idea is headed.
    http://www.salon.com/2017/04/12/watch-5-reasons-maxine-waters-should-be-our-next-president/
    I really encourage the DEMS to slap their seal of approval on her.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 0339pm – I understand your desire to air this issue, but in the same fashion one could argue that a hundred different issues have the same relationship to the ideological schism which is rending the country, and which Crabb and I both want to highlight in this post. Try to stay close to the theme here. Thanks.

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  5. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Paul’s 3:39 is the perfect example of left wing know-nothingism. It’s always a 2 dimensional cartoon to the left. On one side is freedom and honor and on the other side is ‘big money’.
    Same as the XL pipeline.
    Good ol’ Obama didn’t cave to the special interests.
    Right, Paul?
    Wrong.
    There is ‘big money’ on both sides, Paul. The XL pipeline had billions of dollars going against it, including one of the richest men in the world who happens to own a big stake in the rail lines that would lose their oil cargo to the pipe line.
    A lot of extremely wealthy companies and their owners did not want the ISPs to have an ability that only they had previously. All of the screechers that are complaining abut this mythic new evil that has been unleashed on the world could do something about it, but bitching is easier to do while hitting the bong.
    You could just go down to the library and use their computers or you could contact your ISP to ask them to send you in writing their policy and if you don’t like it, you can tell them adios. And yes, there are alternatives.
    If everyone who claims they are all upset about the new law did something about it, you could have your way.
    But you won’t (nobody really cares about being tracked now) so please stop this wailing about goodness and light vs evil big money. It’s just BS.
    Our differences Paul, do not originate from special interests, big money or political parties. Unless Paul is claiming he would agree with me all of the time if it weren’t for those rascally guys with big money forcing him to differ from me just for the pay-off.

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  6. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Walt at 4:56 – Ol’ Maxine is definitely a middle of the road, both eyes open type of POTUS we need. Oh please, Dems – run her in the next election for pres.
    Please!!!

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott, going to the library to use the Internet as a way to avoid having your private information soLd Is not a very practical option for most people First of all the Internet has become a utility This case we only have AT&T up here as ISP.
    More than anything I was trying to point out that our point of view on this issue and many others is largely determined by the political party we may prescribe to. Does this make any sense to you? First of all both parties are bought out by special interest who make contributions with the expectation that those they give money to will vote in their favor when there is proposed legislation that will favor them. Do we agree up to this point ? So when Republicans and Democrats lineup on different sides of an issue such as access to our private information and making it available for sale it’s not an iideological question as to whether it’s conservative or liberal but more just lining up behind the predetermined party position we prescribed to Your analogy of the pipeline is actually a good one demonstrating this That’s the only point I’m trying to make to make this consistent with the intent of George’s post.

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  8. Walt Avatar

    Paul. no was on the side of big business more than Hillary. LIBS sold our jobs to “big business”. Why pay higher labor costs here, when you can buy politicians, have their things made anywhere but here and pay chump change for labor? Trump just about has put a quick end to that. Miss that news?
    That Walter B. you couldn’t find anything about must have been doing something right. A master sleuth could find nothing on the net. So our info is sold..BFD.. That’s nothing new.
    That was happening long before the internet came along.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 3:49 pm.
    Got pics Walt. Semi-Biblical frozen water fell from sky. Direct hit. Took pics of that white stuff that ain’t snow, but close enough. Wolf pack rolled around in it and thought it was the greatest thing since the newsman guaranteed Trump had less than a 1% chance of taking the kingdom by storm. They never understood the Deplorables, never will. The gift that keeps on giving.
    Now if Crabb can stand tall against both parties and cry “a pox on both your houses!”, show incredulous dismay when someone steps in it or falls down the stairs, then all is well in the land where there is a full moon every night. Better to be a rebel without a cause than a rebel without a job. He gets paid to point out the faults……in others. Sweet.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It sure smells like a sandbox with all the off topic po’ ol’ party parroting going on. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I’m talking of directly about what George posted What Do you have to offer?

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I am probably heading to a pro-Trump rally in Berkley Saturday. Yikes!

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George 12 April 2017 at 09:20 AM
    No, no help at all as you just keep ignoring the issue, and I’d not make a guess as to just how intentional it is, probably as much as Crabb or Emery. Capitalism good/socialism bad is just the usual IFF tribal BS and I think I’m channeling Friedman on this. It is about how much of a nation’s gnp the government spends directly or otherwise wastes.
    I recall Wm. F. Buckley labeling Democrats as Socialists and Republicans as Reluctant Socialists and that arguably remains true.
    One can also effectively send the world back into the dark ages by implementing completely free market mechanisms by (small d) democratic means that tax fossil fuels into oblivion to please the gods of political correctness. Or by creating a vast armada of the best military equipment money can buy only to have the foe it was created to vanquish to destroy it by tactics your admirals didn’t anticipate.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Don @ 7:40 pm. Yep, took less than 36 hours to turn Ruminations into the Sandbox, with a quick strike on Syria turning into control for saving lives. Sandbox it was and Sandbox it is. What concerns me is…….. At least the “Its the Dawa, stupid!” Is safe. Always a silver lining.
    Back to the topic of this post, people just see things they way they choose to. I see socialism as tyranny with a long history it’s insatiable thirst to control every aspect of one’s life. It was Lenin or Stalin that said socialism is the road to communism. And communism has historically failed, as well as the policy of appeasement.
    There are two artists looking at the same oak tree. One artist believes he has taken the moral high ground and is offended rather easily. The other artist (named Bill) shakes his head, takes a breathe, and in a moment of clarity, says “go pound sand.”
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10154611872370914/?type=3&theater

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  15. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Well Paul has it all figured out. We’re all just arguing against each other solely because what ever party we belong to makes us believe all that we believe.
    Of course, none of this applies to Paul.
    He, like Crabb is above all of that and has the one true vision that he strangely keeps all to hisself.
    Since I don’t belong to a party, I’m not sure how it applies to me, but it’s Paul’s great theory and he’s sticking to it.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    gregory 812pm – You are free to introduce your own issue as you will. But you cannot by fiat change or tell BobC and me what issue we decided to frame and post on – we determine that. You have not chosen or been able to connect your arguments to the points Bob and I have presented and contend here. Just insisting that you’re right and everyone else is wrong will not work, no matter how ex cathedra you sound.
    State your own proposition and argue it; you apparently don’t have a clue about mine.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What George proposes we talk about is a very big issue and what I have noted is part but not all of the problems. The other idea I had in this session is that we focus on local issues and try to get to gather in person and actually talk to each other and find things we agree on find things to be partially agree on and find things we completely disagree on That can be a big start
    I have repeatedly said that I do not support either major party. Did not vote for a Republican or a Democrat in the last two national elections Can You say the same Scott?

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Uh oh…..

    CNN Confirms Fox’s Napolitano – British Intelligence Passed On Trump Surveillance To US Spy Agency

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-13/cnn-confirms-foxs-napolitano-british-intelligence-passed-trump-surveillance-us-spy-a

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Could have much to say on this topic fish but first refresh us as to what that has to do with the topic at hand as defined by George

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    GR 842
    I am discussing exactly the same issue from a POV you are either refusing to entertain or just can’t imagine. No worries. We all have our own idiotsyncrasies.

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “I have repeatedly said that I do not support either major party. Did not vote for a Republican or a Democrat in the last two national elections”
    Yes Paul, you have told us repeatedly.
    That doesn’t constitute any sort of political stand beyond the fact that you don’t vote for Dems or Rs. It doesn’t validate anything you have to opine, nor make you correct in your postings here.
    It doesn’t solve any issues nor does it offer any sort of answer to the problems our country and the world face.
    Your fantasy about having a bunch of fringe parties all magically coming together in some sort of group hug as a viable sort of govt is pure nonsense.
    I have voted for some Rs (McClintock to name one) and other party candidates. I will always look at the candidate who most closely hews to my conservative, free market and Constitutional views.
    That tends to never be a Dem and most certainly is never any sort of socialist or leftist candidate. The parties never control in any way what my view of the world is and never sway my judgement.
    None are perfect and probably never will be.
    Our govt is corrupt because ‘the people’ love corrupt politicians that give them goodies. That’s why our govt is bankrupt and crooked. The People, at this point, wouldn’t have it any other way. Stop blaming it on special interests and corporations. They don’t have an army or a police force. And until Obama, they couldn’t make anyone buy anything from them.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul 851
    What has been your declared party for voter registration over the last, oh, 20 years?
    I registered DEM in 1972. Registered LIB in 1984. If Michael P Anderson (aka Agent Mandersonation) of Nevada City is lurking, it also might be interesting to read why such a hater of everything Republican is apparently a registered Republican.
    In the meantime, the Democratic Party has been on a rampage, cleansing the party of any semblance of Thomas Jefferson and the classic liberalism of their origins.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 13 April 2017 at 04:56 PM
    She’s what America deserves Walt!

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 13 April 2017 at 09:38 PM
    I could tell you Paul but you’d just forget and we would have to discuss it all over again later. That “Barn Circling” that George refers to to repeatedly when discussing your comments.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    …..looks like even the Norks are figuring our (in their own limited way) your see-saw diagrams! It’s my understanding that US senators from Vermont still can’t noodle it through though!

    “Most importantly, however, we need to understand that North Korea is in the middle of a consumerist transformation. Ten kinds of toothpaste? Who needs that? Such thinking was prevalent among state officials for decades but now has made room for a much more market oriented logic. Today, ten types of toothpaste? Fine, if customers buy and a profit can be made. This is the new thinking in North Korea these days. Competition is everywhere, including between travel agencies, taxi companies and restaurants.”

    It seems things are improving even in the North!
    Pity the little fat boy couldn’t have been a little bit more circumspect with respect to his bellicose posturing His role as leader of a Chinese buffer state wasn’t a bad gig!
    http://38north.org/2017/04/rfrank040617/

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    One only needs to look at the number of patents that America issues as opposed to the rest of the planet. Here is a link for the totals in 2015. Also previous years. America, in one year has fifty percent more in one year than the rest of the planet. And I give personal freedom as guaranteed by our Constitution and our individual protections for these amazing totals.
    https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/cst_all.htm

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Last time you touched on this subject you added that the majority of those US patents were filed by white males. Yes, freedom for American White Males is a blessing to the world as documented by Todd Juvinall.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1002pm โ€“ From your 207pm and 812pm the reader (including me) comes away with the definite notion that Rebane doesnโ€™t understand the issue of his own post. But now I learn we are indeed โ€œdiscussing the same issueโ€ but from different POVs, one (yours) of which I wonโ€™t entertain or canโ€™t imagine due to my โ€œidiotsyncrasyโ€. While I do admit limits to my imagination, I have never been known to refuse entertaining a different POV. On the contrary, I revel in it and RR is testimony to that as a long running invitation to the dance.
    So given the post and the 920am definition of MY issue, I would still like to understand your POV if youโ€™re up to it. Else we can lay it down gently and go on with life.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yes Paul Emery. Facts are facts. What is your problem with the facts?

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George 1033am, it seems clear to the reader (including me) that your ignoring of the core assertions of my recent posts have more to do with your reacting to the challenge to your pronouncements with argumentum ad hominem.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scott 1033PM
    “Your [PE’s] fantasy about having a bunch of fringe parties all magically coming together in some sort of group hug as a viable sort of govt is pure nonsense.”
    I can’t remember which one, but a major (in their very minor way) Libertarian candidate circa 1990 reminded an interviewer that a Libertarian candidate had to have a sense of humor about what they are doing because, barring some existential cataclysm collapsing the two big dogs, they won’t be winning the office. The current fantasy of the self declared “progressive libertarians” or “green libertarians” is that their coersive Utopian vision would be helped along if the one party that truly is a foe of coersion would see themselves as natural allies.
    The phrase “howls of derisive laughter, Bruce!” comes to mind. I’ve come to the conclusion that, rather than Libertarian Party as the adopted name, reaching back to “Democratic-Republican Party”, the original label for the party of Jefferson, would have been an easier sell to the nation.
    Crabb has stated a belief the nation cannot survive unless everyone unites behind one version, one interpretation of current events so he doesn’t have to figure it out himself, a state that has never been and can never be. What we have now is, if we can all remember, a Republic, if we can keep it. It doesn’t require everyone to agree on one newspaper of record, or one broadcast entity. It does require us to accept the results of elections and to not invent news out of whole cloth to cast them in doubt.
    Democratic Party luminaries have made completely unsupportable claims about our legal history… one is that the refusal of the GOP Senate to consider any SCOTUS nomination until after 11/8/2016 was unprecedented (it wasn’t) or that the 2nd amendment was never considered to be an individual right before DC v Heller (yes, it was, and I’ve quoted the parade of horribles from the Dred Scott majority opinion to demonstrate that in the past), but then let us remember… Hillary Clinton failed the Washington DC bar exam and then kept that fact hidden for 30 years.
    We live in interesting times and while Trump was never my choice, it wasn’t Libertarians who were pushing the major news media to promote Trump, Cruz and Carson as pied piper candidates; that was Clinton’s campaign manager interfering with the election.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    So in your view we just have to face up to the reality that we will always have a two party system and there’s no point in opposing that reality. |Funny how Canada, Britain and most of the free world have multiple party systems but not us. Hmmm Any idea why?

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, yes those countries have multiple parties just LIKE WE DO! (llok at your ballot) The facts are in those other countries the Parliment is filled by TWO and once THREE parties. So hundreds of parties boils down to two mostly and that seems to be what the people want. I suggest you get off your butt and organize your “party” by convincing Americans to join your efforts and get them registered. Short of that Americans seem to like two major parties and I see that into the distant future.

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Wow… Paul, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Could you actually quote the sentence or two that your mind mangled into “we just have to face up to the reality that we will always have a two party system and there’s no point in opposing that reality”?
    Again… what party are you actually registered to? It has been shared that you’re a registered Democrat. Is that true? For how long? Why?
    Most of the free world have parliamentary systems with proportional representation, passed down from their origins as monarchies… a place for the peasants and the lords to insult each other for awhile before the King or Queen bless the result or order a head or two to be severed. A strength of that system is that big decisions can be reached very quickly, while the biggest drawback is that that very big and very bad incorrect decisions can also be reached very quickly. And a PM can be forced to dissolve a government as soon as they can no longer muster a majority in their coalition, calling for new elections.
    We have a three legged system with checks and balances between the three branches. It takes time and consensus to do anything, with a House that sometimes looks like Les Miserables and a Senate operating more akin an Entmoot in Fangorn. Works for me, but a side effect is that viable 3rd parties arrive on occasion but they have a hard time breaking into the top two which tends to be the number that fit into the system.
    We don’t have a two party system, it just tends to settle that way. And I’d never gang up with minor parties that are fundamentally opposed to the principles put to paper by the likes of John Locke or Thomas Jefferson, or the scientific principles embodied by The Royal Society’s “nullius in verba” and Popper’s falsification.
    That would include Peace and Freedom, Green, the current Democratic part and all of the others beyond the fringe that tend to have Socialist and/or Workers in their labels.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Checking the voter registrations I cannot find a Paul Emery there. So maybe he is fibbing all this time?

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  36. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    Voted libertarian last two elections Todd. You must have a lot of time on your hands not much work as a developer anymore for you ha ha

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    What you vote has nothing to do to with what your registration status party parrot po’ ol’ PE. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    You are really weird. You’re becoming some kind of stalker. Going out on a date tonight. Gonna keep my eyes open for you.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    For once you’re right Don. But everybody knows that so what’s the point?

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery you are not registered. Stalker? That would be you. Developer? Never have. I think you have become unhinged.

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Gregory at 2:45 – thank you.
    That pretty much sums it up.
    Lefties like Paul go on and on about ‘democracy’, and “The People’ but when the people get all democratic the wrong way, it all seems to be some mysterious force of evil from what ever hob goblin you choose that has kept the people from doing democracy just like Paul thinks they should.
    There are plenty of choices on the ballot, although the Dems in Kalifornia do their best to limit that come the general election. The people of this nation apparently like just 2 major parties. We used to have the Whigs, but the people walked away from them.
    Hate to bring it down to a bumper sticker type of choice, but it’s Freedom Or Free Stuff. And that is basically what is dividing our nation. I have 2 good eyes and I’m not going down the road of Free Stuff. It doesn’t work. It isn’t working. We’re going broke fer Gawd’s sake. Crabb can bitch all he wants that I am the problem. Sorry – I’m not going to take just a little poison all the time to make some one else sleep better at night. We fought wars to obtain our freedoms and liberty. And we will have to continue to fight to keep them.

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Gregory had a good post indeed. We deal with the way things are, not as we wish they be. By all means, Paul, knock yourself out and get on those small Party coalitions and have yourself a viable alternative on the ballot. Make it happen, you can do it!! Compare notes with Brother Ben. He jumped to Jill when Bernie fell out and you jumped to Gary. That’s four choices on the major ballots right there. A good start.
    Just get millions of voters across the fruited plain to jump on board. Or, go find the perfectt candidate with charm, looks, personality, and fire in his/her/its belly that will swoon the masses and you will be raking in the chips. Hope burns eternal. Chop, chop. Get busy. May the Force be with you. Godspeed.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Back to Crabb: he will never run out of material. Too much duplicity going on.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1066980696769300/?type=3&theater

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  44. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scott and BT, thanks and you’re quite welcome.
    Paul E, you’re continually ducking the question… what was your declared political party(ies) over the last two decades of voter registration? That’s a fair question and public information.
    If you want to be a flavor of the month libertarian, great. Register and reach out to lp.org but please don’t bother if you’re just trying to get some stage props to fluff up your own numbers.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    What year were you born POaul Emery? I can’t find your registration under your name. Are you using a different name? Are you a fugitive or something?

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Darn you found out My real name is DB Cooper. Call the cops and turn me in Confess You’ll be a hero

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  47. fish Avatar
    fish

    “FEDS COLLECT RECORD TAXES…
    STILL RUN DEFICIT…

    This probably isn’t going to end well…..
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/695391000000-feds-collect-record-income-taxes-through-march

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  48. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Now they want to take away Paul’s right to vote for 20 years. Oh, if only it were that simple.
    https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/huffpo-time-to-strip-white-men-of-their-voting-rights-yes-really/

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  49. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Come now BT, surely there is an exclusion for druids?!? ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  50. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Was Peace and freedom for a while then Democratic then Green then Democratic. Still a registered Democrat but that will change next time. Not sure what to. The Libertarians as a Party are disappointing. Voted Libertarian last two elections-eight years.

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