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Our local graphical commentator RL (Bob) Crabb posted one of his most powerful and well-crafted offerings filched here from the 11apr17 Union.  In it he joins with deep thinkers like (also local commentator) Hilary Hodge and Rodney King to convincingly communicate the ‘Why can’t we all just get along?’ message.

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Unfortunately, such effective propaganda messages leave out what the world has experienced and continues to do so today.  I summarize it below.

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[13apr17 update]  A Lament. I discovered at Bob Crabb’s blog that he sees my post above as another episode of “mocking” him. In his post Mr Crabb expanded his own commentary with a thorough drub of RR, to wit –

I see that this latest entry is already being mocked over at Rebane’s Ruminations. I’m not surprised. George and his friends have been doing their endless circle jerk for years on end, now emboldened by the regressive policies of the Trump juggernaut. I’ve long since abandoned any hope of dialog with that snarky crew.

In a futile response I posted this comment –

I am saddened that you consider my critique of your excellent cartoon on RR as being “mocked”. No matter how our worldviews may differ, you have always had a respectful reception and, where necessary, a civil counter. In short, I have never mocked you, but would consider it a boon if you could point out which of my posts covering RL Crabb you consider as being of a mocking nature. Perhaps we have different definitions for the term.

Mocking can apparently be done only in writing but not graphically. To confirm this, readers can review all the Crabb cartoons that have adorned these pages over the years, and then decide whether or not they were floated down to us from the mock-free heights which some cartoonists inhabit.

Admittedly, the ad hominems that some RR commenters insist on inserting between serious analyses and commentaries do detract. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to convince my readers that such inserts reflect poorly on RR and, of course, themselves. (Re ‘snarky’ repartees; the boundary between snark and wit is hazy, save for those with a keen sense of others’ morals. One man’s snark is another’s wit.) However, I have yet to find another blog in these parts that has the breadth and depth of covered topics we do here, while welcoming all comers, and whose comment streams more often than not contain thoughtful, well-formed, and appropriately cited entries that expand on or dispute what I or our byline contributors post here.

In the final analysis RR is what it is, and that itself is variously seen/judged by its readers. As made clear over the years, I don’t pretend to present ‘fair and balanced’ views simply because I am incapable of such rhetorical feats. And moreover, I believe those who claim to be so blessed are really charlatans or simply ignorant. RR will continue to unabashedly reflect the tinted/tainted views which all of its contributors and commenters bring to this forum. Perhaps someday our betters can forgive us, but we are what we are, and it was ever thus.

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142 responses to “Oh, were it only that simple (updated 13apr17)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Those darn socialist killed more people than the fascists last century. But they did it with a smile.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Kinda hard to not open both eyes and be fully cognizant when we are being lectured to occupy the same planet with these folks. Sure, I will tolerate them, but not condone their broken thinkers. Gotta cut the high grass to see the snakes, if you catch my drift.
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10154610691055914/?type=3&theater

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Darn it all. This is the link meant for moi 1:03 pm. It’s these people I need to keep both eyes open…..and somebody better watch me with both eyes open as well. 🙂

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Our friend RL Crabb has had his own selective blindness issues… with a few posts making it clear he thought libertarian was just another flavor of conservative and long refusing to consider the right vs left dichotomy was anything other than a gangfight over turf.
    Here’s RL’s words:

    “I’ve given up trying to communicate rationally with conservatives (or whatever hybrid you’re channeling today, Greg) and progressives.”

    It seems to me RL’s image of libertarians being a malleable conservative hybrid is from the same ignorance of the parable of the blind men describing the elephant. If, like the ‘toon above, you are always trying to fit multidimensional political opinions into just two pidgeonholes, you’ll never be happy with the results.
    I really can’t find any attempt of Crabb’s to “communicate rationally” on any contentious matter, preferring as he has in the above cartoon, to place himself as a fictional rational but bewildered man in the middle just wanting everyone else to get along… without any serious inquiry and rational argument (in the Classic sense, not the Roller Derby or “Pro Wrestling” sense which news media, including editorial ‘toonists, prefer) over the issues.
    RL continued…

    “Supreme court nominees always end up being a crap shoot. Once they don the black robe they are the law, period. I have no problem with Trump’s choice, although I was rooting for Judge Judy.
    I am well aware of the limitations of my craft. It appeals to the psyche on a different level than journalism. It’s a way to channel people’s frustration, in many ways like throwing a rock through the window of a bank or the DMV. I’ll muddle along, thank you.”

    It seems to me that Earl is happy to be blindly throwing ‘toon bricks into windows to earn a few shekels… no, Myopia is not a desired destination but neither is an Idiocracy. And George, I’d argue the issue isn’t a mythic Capitalism vs. a cartoon Socialism, but free markets versus politically controlled outcomes.
    As P.J. O’Rourke has pointed out, “When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators”. It doesn’t mean much whether they are of the mythical right or the mythical left.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 207pm – By all means, feel free to substitute ‘mythic free markets’ for ‘mythic capitalism’, and educate us on the finer points of differentiating socialism from politically controlled outcomes.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, I’m sure you could identify a kleptocrat or two on the Christian right if you put on your thinking cap.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 256pm – Huh?! Gregory, you’ll have to go slower with me. You forget I’m the son of peasants on both sides. My father was born and raised in what we know as as a log cabin, one that during long winter nights was illuminated by a taper (long thin strips of wood used for light by people who could not afford candles or oil lamps).

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  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    GR, OK, you want to pretend to not have an idea, here’s an example for you to start with… did Queen Isabella ruin Spain’s economy with her Marxist ways? Or was George V’s collectivism what drove the American revolution?
    Socialism is a modern bane of free markets but not the first.
    How about Bautista? Pinochet? There are many ways of interfering with markets for fun and/or profit.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 845pm – I haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about, or how it relates to my post. Queen Isabella ruining Spain’s economy??!! And what came first or last or …?? What on earth are you contending??

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, I apologize for burying the central idea of my earlier posts too deeply for you:
    Left vs right is older than socialism vs capitalism and the real conflict has always been freedom vs tyrants, large and small.

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  11. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    Where do health care delivery and prescription drugs fit on that teeter totter?

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1217am – Your central idea was indeed buried too deeply for the likes of me. Apparently I unintentionally returned the favor in my post, for neither Bob Crabb nor I mean to communicate anything as simple as good guys vs bad guys (or your “freedom vs tyrants”). We are both talking about the contemporaneous schism between Right v Left or, if you will, between capitalism v collectivism. Neither side thinks of themselves as being tyrants or promoting tyranny or ever having done so. Quite the opposite, both sides have salutary notions of themselves as being the beneficiaries of mankind and human society were they each to prevail.
    Bob’s cartoon seeks to diminish the existing ideological schism and seeks to cast it as an unfortunate misunderstanding between the two sides for which there exists an easily found common ground that could be attained if we only stopped the rancor and opened our ‘eyes’ to it. My counter to this oft offered nostrum is that the difference between the two sides is much more fundamental than that, one important aspect of which I illustrate with the above graphic. Neither of us intends the reader to frame these arguments so as to require him to consider the primacy of tyranny v freedom going back to the Renaissance. This simply is not the issue as exemplified here.
    Hope this helps.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    jons 847am – Excellent question Mr smith. For a more detailed answer, your question too must be more detailed. But in general the answer is that “healthcare delivery and prescription drugs” conform perfectly to the teeter totter paradigm when the total cost of each delivered under the aegis of capitalism and socialism are taken into account.
    Apprehending your intended point here, we should recall that both healthcare delivery and prescriptions drugs are currently available only under corporatist government regulations which creates a market bearing little if any semblance to capitalism.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    There are many examples of common ground such our agreement that MJ should not be illegal and is a matter of freedom of personal choice.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Also I agree with Trump on several things including the fact that the war in Iraq was based on lies and Bush should have been impeached. Also his view that affordable health insurance should be available to everyone with no restrictions on pre-existing conditions.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1013am – OK, posit that you’re materially right in these cases. How do these inform the debate on the free vs ever more regulated direction we take the country?

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I say we start local and find things we can agree on and we find things that we can compromise on and then we find things that we have no agreement or compromise on Being local we actually talk to each other in person Try as best we can to ignore party affiliations because party positions are so affected by special interest money we as individuals have no control over
    Kind of idealistic I know George but that’s my view.

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  18. madhack Avatar
    madhack

    Oh, Come-on;
    With all the things The Union does badly, Crabb is a high point. The guy is a humorist and the only working definition of humor is that is always a new way of looking at something. If Crabb was a run-of-the-mill lefty comic, like Mahr or Whoppie, he would just be snide and mocking.
    Rebane is behaving like a lefty college student who gets upset by humor

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1053am – Yes, that’s a good start toward which both of us have devoted some considerable effort locally. None of these have really taken off or gotten much traction, but as you know, I regularly meet for coffee and lunches with our neighbors on the Left. Am not aware that this practice is either widespread or reciprocated. Time for another two-guy forum on the issues?

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    madhack 1154am – Mr madhack, it doesn’t look like you have any idea of what you’re talking about. Were you a more astute or persistent follower of these proceedings, you would know that no one here is “upset” about Bob’s cartoon, most certainly not me. Instead, we are celebrating its publication as it reminds us of a very popular yet uncritically embraced sentiment about the country’s Great Divide (q.v.), and reprises an issue regularly revisited on these pages. Hope you’ll stick around to share more of your views.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah let’s talk about that If we start with the local emphasis I think we might be able to make some progress Yes we get hung up on party politics the whole thing is song because the political parties in order to stay in power have to divide people amongst each other Survival at stake

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  22. madhack Avatar
    madhack

    My God, You Are Right:
    You did speak well of the cartoon.
    I just read your mention of Hillary Hodge … and I lost it. Had to get vomit off the keyboard.
    I need The Union to light the fire and I’ll miss the paper when it’s gone, But Don Rogers has brought in the worst DFC I’ve ever read. The community is better off with a newspaper, but it’s doomed

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh, if only it were that simple. But, feelings get in the way. There is always the “what concerns me is………”. Can’t argue with feelings and facts don’t do any good, no how.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/04/11/notre-dame-students-claim-vp-pence-presence-on-campus-makes-them-feel-unsafe/

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh, if only it were that simple. I don’t know about you, but mine don’t look as alluring as an eloquant lady’s does. No difference? Learn something new everyday.
    http://www.anonews.co/breast-in-public/

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Having been called numerous fecal expulsions this week by Crabb on FB, I find it laughable he is so brokenhearted on his blog about this cartoon and your response. Of course he is in his mind, “always right” becasue he says he is in the middle and can’t be wrong. But he is wrong. And since he says we all are in a circle J*** here and other derisive terms, I guess we have to give up our beliefs to one without any. And yes, he mocks us and I rarely see where he mocks the left. That is his own delusion. But he is something special in his own brain, and I guess that is why he rides the little yellow bus.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, I cannot/will not speak for Mr. Crabb, but Boardman gets the last laugh for selling his UAL stock……albeit considered prematurely by some.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh my. There is nowhere to hide. I can feel the love from here. Nothing brings folks together like a common goal. Teamwork is a bonding experience.
    https://heatst.com/tech/shia-labeouf-is-in-a-cabin-in-rural-finland-and-still-getting-trolled/?mod=sm_fb_post

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  28. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “…because the political parties in order to stay in power have to divide people amongst each other Survival at stake”
    So – if there were no political parties, every one would be conservative, Christian and a free market capitalist?
    Or would we all be atheist communists?
    Or?

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Poor old whiny RL crying about socialism. And I am now your “boy” George. WQasn’t that a singer? Anyway, the guy that skewers all of us and any conservative is having a problem coping with this post. Ah shcucks, and I thought he wore chain mail.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott or there would be six or seven different parties and coalitions and they wouldn’t be controlled by special interest groups nearly as much as they are and presidential debates would have several different candidates not just two and the debates wouldn’t be controlled by the debate commission which is headed by corporations who want to make sure that whoever is elected president can be bought off by their money I can think of all kinds of what if’s if we weren’t stuck in this two-party system that guarantees control by special interest and international corporations

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “… corporations who want to make sure that whoever is elected president can be bought off by their money I can think of all kinds of what if’s if we weren’t stuck in this two-party system that guarantees control by special interest and international corporations”
    Blah, blah, blah.
    Special interests?
    The Sierra Club? Maybe the special interests that want MJ legalised?
    Govt worker unions? NAACP?
    Yeah – those darn special interests.
    And of course ALL corps and companies all work secretly together for the exact same thing.
    Please – do try to come up with some original thinking just once, Paul.
    Funny how folks that spout the party line like Paul can never, ever come up with one single clue as to what our wonderful perfect govt would be if we just got rid of ‘special interests’ running roughshod over ‘the people’.
    Well – of course besides legalized MJ.
    After that, who cares?
    We are divided, Paul, because some of us learn from history and some of us just want free stuff.
    Special interests, corps and companies got nuttin’ to do with it. Paul is like a lot of folks that always think everything would be square if we just got rid of: Jews, Negroes, The Rich, Them, or any number of evil entities that bespoil our otherwise little Eden we call Earth.
    We get the govt we deserve, and boy do we get it – good and hard. One day it might occur to folks like Paul that there are all sorts of opinions on how we should be governed and we will have those differences with or without any outside influence.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yep, reminds me of all the young people commenting on line after the election saying they did not like either canadate and if everyone would just come together and vote third party life would be splendid….nay, life would be perfect indeed. A brut such as I joined in and asked what everyone could possibly ever agree on that encompasses every aspect of society. Free college for all? No more wars? The lion would lay down with the lamb? Every politician honest as the day is long? No corruption? No more pain, no more sorrow. All people are good and nice and wave to strangers and everybody likes you? No politician or citizen or resident would ever tell a lie? Now, I asked where in the heck did they plan to put human nature. If only we could pass another law against rape, all women would feel and BE safe, my golly.
    Oh, were it only that simple. Maybe on another planet.
    https://heatst.com/entertainment/npr-ombudsman-absurdly-says-maybe-were-too-conservative/?mod=sm_fb_post

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  33. Walt Avatar

    Crabb might need to take some insight from his own scribbles.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Bill you’re saying we’re stuck with a two party system and we might as well get used to it. That works for you because you seem to be a genetic Republican but many of feel differently and old out for hope .

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott??? You say I’m “spouting the party line” but what I’m advocating is dumping the two partys and encouraging independent alternative parties of all kinds. How did you come to that conclusion?

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Genetic Republican? Now that is interesting. I am a Republican because I like freedom and liberty. Democrats like big government and rules to squeeze away those freedoms. Simple as that.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, Crabb is no freind of anything but his misguided view of the world. He think he rops all sides but he doesn’t. He is a liberal and I guess he is afraid to admit it. Sad inner turmoil is not good for the soul.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Republicans sure supported liberty last when Todd when Frump signed the bill repealing internet privacy rules passed last year by the Federal Communications Commission that would have given internet users greater control over what service providers can do with their data. Now we have no control over what ATT does with our private information. Thanks Republicans an Pres Rump for protecting our privacy.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Who is Frump? The bill he signed brought freedom back to the internet. You have been snookered.

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Our President Frump. You know who he is. Freedom to the internet Todd Really…
    From Fox News
    “Undoing the regulation leaves people’s online information in a murky area. Experts say federal law still requires broadband providers to protect customer information — but it doesn’t spell out how or what companies must do, which is what the online privacy rule aimed to do.
    The absence of clear privacy rules means companies that supply internet service, and who can monitor how consumers use it, can continue to mine that information for use in their own advertising businesses. Consumer advocates also worry that the companies will be a rich target for hackers.”

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    By the way Todd our Rep Doug LaMalfa collected a cool $5000 from AT&T and was a big supporter of the bill. Drain the swamp? Sure Todd . Here’s the list of Repubs who supported the bill and got big bucks from AT&T.
    http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Still no idea who Frump is. And I am correct the action makes the internet open.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    ATT donated? Great. You all think it costs nothing to run and never donate. How much have you donated this last election. Give us the link so we can see how you put your money where your mouth is. Internet is open and running fine.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You don’t have a clue Todd about the Bill. It had nothing to do with keeping the internet “open” but about the ability of ISP’s to sell supposedly private information for their profit. Do your homework before you open your mouth. It will avoid embarrassments.
    Didn’t donate a dime last election Todd. Last time I donated was to John Edwards then the next week I found out he was bonking his videographer and using campaign money to shut her up. Taught me a lesson for sure.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    Messrs Emery and Juvinall – What does any of this have even remotely to do with the topic of this post??

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I would say it has every thing to do with this post. Internet freedom and the use of data. The R’s voted to go back to the status before Obama’s people tried to rtake over via the FCC. Now PE says that is wrong. I see he does not understand the issue.

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  47. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “You say I’m “spouting the party line” but what I’m advocating is dumping the two partys and encouraging independent alternative parties of all kinds.”
    Paul – ‘Alternative’ parties still have their own party line and you’re spouting it. You neatly side stepped the direct question, but then again – you always do.
    Your blather about corps and special interests ruining our other wise perfect system of govt is nonsense and I laid it out pure and simple. You have chosen to ignore that and come up with more nonsense about not following a party line because you want to ‘dump’ (outlaw?) the 2 current parties and come up with a multitude of magical parties that apparently have no fixed ideology nor platform. Good luck with that.
    I’m still waiting for Crabb to come up with his ‘middle of the road’ both-eyes-open manifesto, but he has decided to mock everyone who posts here while crying about being mocked himself.
    I can see why he has given up having a dialog with us as he finds very quickly that if he posits some sort of theory of life on this blog, some one will kindly ask him to defend that view with reality and facts. The last time I asked him to provide an example of what he was talking about, he begged off, because he “didn’t have a list”. That’s short hand for ‘I don’t have any proof, I just read it some where and am regurgitating it to make myself look intelligent’.
    This isn’t Mother Jones or Daily Kos.
    You post here and then get ready to defend your flag. If that is too triggering, then flock to whatever blog will have you. I hear the FUE runs a great little ‘middle of the road’ blog.

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ 1236pm – This post has nothing to do with “Internet freedom and the use of data.” Please read it again, and invite the thread’s continuance to the sandbox on your blog.

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  49. Walt Avatar

    Tornado? HERE!!!?? I’m in the center of the warning box.
    Bill.. Take cover. We are headed to the center of the house.
    Pray for our trailer parks.

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  50. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I beg to differ with you since the topic of your piece is why can’t we get along. The dramatic difference in support for the Internet bill I cite is evidence of the influence of big money to affect legislation outcomes and how that is acceptable to whatever party affiliation decides to support or oppose a measure.
    Not taking sides here just documenting this particular issue with my 12:00 link showing all Republican support for the bill ass demonstrated by the fact that big money flowed to the Repubs and the payoff was was evidenced by strict party line yes or no votes. There is no ideological basis for the vote yet the Reds voted yes and the Blues no. My conclusion is that we are not necessarily driven by ideological differences as much as we are party affiliations.
    The extension of the conversation to that topic I find relevant to your “Oh, were it only that simple” topic.
    I have no desire to visit Todds blog on this or any other matter.

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