355 responses to “Sandbox – 30mar17”

1. 

   fish

   06 April 2017

   Screw Chuck Schumer……
   

   The American Bar Association rated Gorsuch as unanimously well-qualified, but Democrats criticized him for not revealing his personal judicial philosophy during confirmation as well as for several opinions they said showed he tended to favor powerful interests over “the little guy.”
   Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) argued that Republicans didn’t have to change the rules to put Gorsuch on the court, and that the more sensible option would have been to ask Trump to pick a new nominee.
   He said replacing Gorsuch would be fair after Republicans refused to give President Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland, a hearing or a vote last year.

   It was funny hearing Chuck argue for the very same thing the repukes just did when Senator One Eye invoked the “Reid Rule”!
   http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/327591-gop-triggers-nuclear-option-gutting-filibuster-in-gorsuch-fight
   http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-senate-nominees-idUSBRE9AK0V920131122
   https://www.google.com/urlsa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjxprzju5DTAhVRxCYKHb8uBcoQtwIIHDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F01%2F03%2Fpolitics%2Fchuck-schumer-nominees%2F&usg=AFQjCNGu3pfCnKVaK7CQHx3Fc45nVmM1UA&bvm=bv.152174688,d.eWE

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   fish

   06 April 2017

   Posted by: Paul Emery | 06 April 2017 at 11:36 AM
   Obama’s foreign policy in this region was a total disaster as was Bush’s. That’s why we’re at this place right now.
   Indeed!

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3. 

   Robert Cross

   06 April 2017

   You all seem to miss the point that Obama is not the president any longer. Referring to what Obama did while in office is like complaining about FDR. So what? The issue is what is going on now, not one, two, or 100 years ago, and now is approaching chaos. These people make Nixon look like a saint.

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4. 

   Bill Tozer

   06 April 2017

   Assad: what was the target? A warehouse used by ISIS? What was in the building? I have no reason to doubt that chemical agents were released, but was the gas stored in the target area (unknowingly to the Syrian Army)? This could be a tragic mistake. Maybe a Treyvon Martin tragedy of errors kind of thing. Ah yes, I forgot about the creative editing by CBS of the 911 tapes. Wait and see……
   BTW, I recall ISIS bragging about having gas a couple months ago on some short news blurb nobody paid attention to….if memory serves me correctly.

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   fish

   06 April 2017

   Posted by: Robert Cross | 06 April 2017 at 11:46 AM
   Spare me…..! Every time anything bad that could remotely be connected to the GWB administration after Obama took office came up you guys were off to the races about it!

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6. 

   Paul Emery

   06 April 2017

   Good question and observation Bill. Keep me informed as to what you find out. Just doesn’t make sense that Assad would do that at this time.

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   Paul Emery

   06 April 2017

   Let me add Clinton and Bush the first to that disaster list (11:36) although HW did have the good sense to get out of Iraq after chasing Saddam across the desert.

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8. 

   Todd Juvinall

   06 April 2017

   Robert Cross | 06 April 2017 at 11:46 AM
   I don;t recall you saying the same thing when Obama and his minions bashed Bush for every little thing. Why was that? And Trump reall is way less doing that about Obummer.
   Regarding O’Reilly and Trump. Who cares? Not me or the people that have a life. And I bet you have never talked to any male in a divorce where the wife lied about abuse so she could get the kids? That is how I see the little babes that did not get their promotion otr the date. You metro-sexuals are just plain small assed wimps. Grow some and be a man.

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9. 

   Don Bessee

   06 April 2017

   Why is bobbie so cross? Coddling the muslim brotherhood was 0’s policy, even bringing them into the WH on a regular basis. Everyone else treats them like the terrorists they are. Anyone remember Sadat? Peace thru being a p$%#y was the 0 way. A few dozen long range stand off munitions in 2013 targeting Syrian airfields would hvae totaly changed the trajectory of the middle east. So yes bobbie, what 0 did and more importantly did not do has left us with the Russians owning a big chunk of syria and a significant area of airspace control they had been wishing for the last 30 years. 😉

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10. 

    Don Bessee

    06 April 2017

    Thats a clasic lefty reaction from the po’ ol’ party parrot PE @ 1226, trying to impose your values onto a psycopath and not understanding why he does not process like your set world view. Thats also why you guys think hastags and tanslucent flag overlays on your facebook pages is doing someithng. 😉

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11. 

    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    Don
    By any chance did you read Ron Pauls view on the Assad situation? Here is the link again
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/ron-paul-zero-chance-assad-is-behind-the-false-flag-chemical-attack-in-syria/

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12. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    06 April 2017

    GR: “BEFORE Assad’s recent nerve gas attack on innocent civilians and children”
    After a bit of research on the subject, and what can you really know by just reading webpages?, that whole deal has the smell of a false flag operation to me. We’ll see.
    More people are weighing in on the Green Libertarians v. Russia:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/noam-chomsky-calls-democrats-obsession-russia-conspiracy-theories-joke

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13. 

    George Rebane

    06 April 2017

    Scenes 145pm – The false flag argument is certainly plausible, and may turn out to be true. But until now we still have the more plausible explanation that Assad, who has gassed his people before, has done it again either rationally or irrationally. We know how Assad got his WMDs from Saddam, and it boggles a reasonable mind to believe that the sumbich surrendered all his WMDs during the recent much-touted handover. It is much more difficult to put together a plausible scenario that allows the rebels to put together a stockpile of sarin in Syria.

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14. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Nope, our LIBS hate the idea of comparing what “O” did and didn’t do, to what transpires since Trump took over. They don’t want to hear it. Well,, TOUGH! You clowns shined “O”‘s shoes, and sung his praises, all the while bitching about Bush. ” Poor “O”..(snivel snivel) He inherited all these problems from Bush.BooHoo…” Forget that horse shit so soon?
    Now what “O” and Co. pulled off, subverting the rule of law, and just plain lying to the people is coming to light. Our LIBS don’t want to hear or discuss that either.
    It was fine with them when Hillary was sucking up to Russia, Millions in (uh)donations to the Clinton foundation. No problem with bartering away 20% of OUR uranium.
    OH yaa.. “after I’m re-elected I will have more flexibility”.. That was never explained.
    Now if the Trump team had said that in the unwarranted eavesdropping,,, (no need to finish that.)
    Today, the Left is truely buttsore that their own rules of play are being used against them. The Right has never played hardball against them in the past, but now they are. Get used to it.

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15. 

    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    George writes:
    “We know how Assad got his WMDs from Saddam,…….”
    Can you elaborate how that is established fact, as you state it?

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16. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Your memory is really short Paul, or you never paid attention in the first place.
    Convoy after convoy was seen headed there. communication intercepts were also made public of those facts. Maybe it was your hatred of Bush that closed your eyes and ears.
    Our generals wanted to stop those convoys from ever reaching the boarder. But NOOoo.. The LIB house and Senate just had to drag their feet and debate it for weeks on what to allow Bush to do.
    Better hit the history books Paul and catch up before bitching.

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    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    Never was established fact Walt. Hey Bush was our commander in chief he could have had the military do that anytime. Even Rumsfield said “there were no WMD’s”

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    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    I mean yopur guy Trump wanted Bush impeached for the “illegala’ war in Iraq. Jeez, you nhave no memory except what you want to believe.
    “I was surprised that she (Pelozie) didn’t do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush,” Trump said. “It was almost – it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which personally I think would have been a wonderful thing.”
    “He lied. He got us into the war with lies,” Trump said. And I mean – look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true.”
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/15/trump-i-wanted-bush-impeached/

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    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Really?
    https://spectator.org/60689_new-york-times-rediscovers-weapons-mass-destruction-iraq/
    “Moshe Ya’alon, Israel’s Defense Minister, was Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Force during OIF. Gen. Ya’alon subsequently said much the same as Gen. Clapper: on the war’s eve, Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria. No one went to Syria to find it.” That view was echoed by Iraqi general Georges Sada, former Deputy Chief of Saddam’s Air Force.”
    https://blog.usni.org/2012/07/20/iraq-chemical-weapons-moved-to-syria-before-2003-invasion
    “There were also truck convoys into Syria. Sada’s comments came more than a month after Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.”
    Both Israeli and U.S. intelligence observed large truck convoys leaving Iraq and entering Syria in the weeks and months before Operation Iraqi Freedom, John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, told a private conference of former weapons inspectors and intelligence experts held in Arlington, Va., in 2006.”
    For a “news man” , you sure suck at finding “the news”.
    I do believe you DON’T WANT to find the facts that go against your preconceived belief.

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20. 

    George Rebane

    06 April 2017

    PaulE 237pm – While we have circled this barn many times in past years, Mr Walt Branson does another fine job summarizing the most plausible means by which Saddam’s established WMDs disappeared, and next door Syria’s WMDs appeared.

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    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    Who is Walt Branson and what does he know that Rumsfeld didn’t?
    Walt, how did Rumsfeld and Trump not know those things?

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22. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Dr. Rebane.. Paul has no interest in the facts or truth on the subject. In my travels over the years, I have spoke to many VETS who were there that came into contact with those “nonexistent” WMDs. They suffer from the effects to this day. One in particular suffered from radiation poisoning.(But Saddam didn’t have nuke material according to paul.)
    Paul needs to hang out at any given VA hospital for just a few hours. Then get back to us of just was or “wasn’t” there.
    As the movie stated. ” You don’t want the truth, because you can’t handle the truth”.
    Got the guts Paul? Go to the Reno VA. Mather? Go to where the facts are.
    Good money says you won’t. It’s easier to stay in denial.

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23. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    And Paul wants us to believe he doesn’t smoke dope?
    BTW Pauly, You may have heard of my relative. Sir Richard. He owns Virgin Atlantic. Same last name.
    Come one news sleuth, figure it out. connect the dots. The good Doc. gave you plenty of hints. Yet we are to buy your BS that “you know” there was nothing to find in Iraq.
    Tell us the truth. RL Crabb based his “Village idiot” on you.

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24. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    06 April 2017

    re GR @ 2:06PM
    Here’s a not bad run-down, although there’s three sides to every story.
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack/
    This is aside from Ron Paul’s point that a chemical attack makes no sense from the government’s standpoint.
    What a mess. Once again, the situation in Syria is getting dragged into US domestic politics (from the Green Libertarian standpoint, which takes no stand on anything, Trump is both a warmonger and is leaving poor Syrian children to die). What are your choices really?
    1) Back Assad to the hilt, get the war shut down, bribe him to behave himself.
    2) Back some bunch of revolutionaries. Tribal politics take over Syria. Hilarity ensues. The situation ends up like GröFaZ Obama’s brilliant Libya strategy.
    3) Do nothing, let God sort ’em out.
    The Russians appear to have chosen Door Number 1. John McCain and the Green Libertarians want to go to war with the Russians. So that’s out.
    I strongly suspect that the first choice results in the least causalities and the fewest pulses of mass humanity into Europe, but realize it’s all too murky to tell.

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25. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Speaking of WMDs,, LIBS just got nuked. LIBs are pissed. Harry Reid’s playbook has been used against them. Dirty Harry changed the rules all the time to get his way. Deal with it.

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    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    Walt
    Why didn’t Rumsfield know these things you claim? After all he was Secretary of Defense and said:
    Here’s direct quotes
    ” If the Bush administration had known there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, it probably wouldn’t have decided to invade in 2003, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in an interview broadcast Sunday.
    Speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union” program, Rumsfeld noted there were multiple reasons for attacking Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein from power.
    However, intelligence reports — now shown to have been false — that Iraq possessed WMDs were the main reason for going in, Rumsfeld said.
    “No question it was the big one,” he said. Asked if the United States would not have invaded if the administration hadn’t believed Iraq had the weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld said: “I think that’s probably right.”
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/20/rumsfeld.interview/

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27. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    06 April 2017

    Wikipedia actually comes through for once. A list of theories.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq
    Believe what you want of course. Sitting behind a computer screen in Nevada County doesn’t imply insight or domain knowledge.

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28. 

    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    George
    I googled Walt Branson and got nothing relevant. Can you help me with your source that provides undeniable information that there were WMD’s in Iraq? Thanks

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29. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    No Paul, you won’t find “him” on Google. If you want to keep looking like a fool, that’s your business. Knock yourself out.

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30. 

    Don Bessee

    06 April 2017

    Who cares what wingnut Ron Paul says ya po’ ol’ party parrot PE. As the good Dr. notes we have beat this dead horse but given our resident druids fluid memory lets remember some facts;
    1- Sadam used chems on the Iranians, his people and on us in the 1st gulf war.
    2- It was in Sadams best interest after the gulf war ripped up his army that Iran and everyone else thought he still had chem delivery systems.
    3- Sadam was never in compliance with the gulf war cease fire and regularly shot at our AF enforcing the no fly zone, acts that on their own justified mauling Iraq again. The first Bush screwed up by not bitch slapping Sadam over the attacks on the Kurds.
    You lefties see a rabid dog chasing a child and think what happened to that poor dog to make him act out, perhaps a safe space and a hug could remedy the situation.
    A conservative who sees a rabid dog chasing a child shots the dog. 😉

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31. 

    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    Don writes “Who cares what wingnut Ron Paul says ”
    Lots of people do Don including many who read and participate on this blog..
    So you are one of the tiny minority that still believe the War in Iraq was wise and justified. So be it Don. Even your guy Donald Trump believes Bush should have been impeached as I’ve documented several times on this blog.

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32. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Your “documentation” is less than credible Paul. Less credible than the word of Suzan Rice.

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33. 

    George Rebane

    06 April 2017

    PaulE 401pm – “undeniable information”? – my, my, my.
    If that were the requirement for backing plausible arguments, then the entirety of the country’s news media would shut down. Most certainly the commentaries on this blog must march to a lower standard.
    We have given plausible arguments of how Saddam’s WMDs disappeared and neighbor Assad’s appeared. Do you have one that is more plausible? If so, then share it; if not, don’t make the “undeniable” be the enemy of the best.

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34. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Don’t hold your breath Dr.R . Paul can’t even find the Walt you were referring to.

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35. 

    Don Bessee

    06 April 2017

    You can play lame ass spin games and put words in peoples mouth po’ ol’ PE but the majority of the country thinks that shooting at our ships or planes demands strong retaliation. Demobilizing the Iraqi army was a strategic error as was 0’s cut and run thus creating isis. Keeping the Iraqi military units relatively intact, paying them and letting their officers handle the disarming and then using them for civic reconstruction is a proven model. 😉

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36. 

    fish

    06 April 2017

    We’ll never know!
    There are so many stories out there that the waters are sufficiently muddied that discussion is pointless. I do find it highly unlikely that Saddam would ever transfer weapons to potential regional rivals!

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    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    Don, once again your guy Trump believes Bush should have been impeached for the Iraq war.
    Also you write
    “Keeping the Iraqi military units relatively intact, paying them and letting their officers handle the disarming and then using them for civic reconstruction is a proven model.”
    That’s exactly what didn’t happen in Iraq and besides a proven model for what? Viet Nam, Afghanistan? Iraq? Libya? Where when. Don you make things up. Do you expect anyone to believe you?

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38. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Fish. Put nothing past the Muslims. Where infidels are concerned, they are like Progressives. They watch each other’s backs when the chips are down. Saddam knew he overplayed his hand. Had to get the evidence out at all costs. Even his air force flew to Syria to avoid capture.

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39. 

    fish

    06 April 2017

    Well…..I don’t think there’s any argument over this statement!
    

    Misogyny ‘played role’ in election loss: Clinton

    
    New York (AFP) – Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton said Thursday that misogyny “certainly played a role” in her bruising defeat at the hands of Donald Trump in last year’s US presidential election.

    Frankly…..if there is anything that might make me dislike women as a group it’s Hillary Clinton!
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/misogyny-played-role-election-loss-clinton-233904460.html

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40. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Love it. Paul is back in his wayback machine. And just yesterday he claimed be done reverting to the past when “O” came up. That sure lasted long.
    Let’s hear some more of those fractured fairytales “according” to Paul.
    Boris and Natasha stuffed ballot boxes in D.C. as well. I’m sure Paul has “undeniable”
    proof of that.

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41. 

    Paul Emery

    06 April 2017

    George
    How do you think Rumsfeld missed out on your revelations about WMD’s when he made his celebrated statement denying the existence of WMD’s in 2011 when he published his book.? That was 9 years after our invasion. Don’t you think that information would have been available by then?
    I would appreciate some kind of link to your information. Walt Branson gets me nowhere. By the way I appreciate our civil conversations.

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42. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Really Paul? You REFUSE to answer my pointed questions. No intestinal fortitude?(that meas guts) The usual duck and cover.(patented Paul move) So will you go to a VA hospital as ask what those who were there what they witnessed? OR are you going to stay with the politician and Gov. approved story line? Lets hear it “news man”.
    It’s more like we “get nowhere” with you.

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43. 

    Bill Tozer

    06 April 2017

    Off thread, briefly. Hodgepodge of items:
    1) Plot thickens. No wonder they say Intel ain’t cooperating with the Congressional Ibtelligence Committee investigation into the biggest baddest spying scandal of the new millennium.
    http://www.independentsentinel.com/gotnews-scoop-cia-director-john-brennan-targeted-sean-hannity-enhanced-surveillance/
    2) Caught in their own snare again. Should have thought that one out.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/827847174032173/?type=3&theater
    3) Good news: Eureka!
    http://m.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/dr-ben-carson-finds-half-trillion-15717030/
    4) Last but not least, a special post for FISH
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211484054371343&set=p.10211484054371343&type=3&theater

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44. 

    fish

    06 April 2017

    Posted by: Bill Tozer | 06 April 2017 at 05:39 PM
    Thanks Bill!
    ….gotta go call my cardiologist!

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45. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Score another “win” for Trump.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/06/the-trump-effect-lower-drug-prices/

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46. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    On the local front, ready to shell out more to “fix the roads”(sure thing. whatever you say.)
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article143222444.html
    Best post from the comments
    “I’m energized and doing everything I can to make sure California climbs out of this big hole,” Brown told reporters outside the Capitol.
    Says the a-hole holding the shovel that DUG the effing hole in the first place!”
    And a pot full of money to the undecided,,
    The measure outlined $500 million in funding to the district of Sen. Anthony Cannella, R-Modesto. It allocates $400 million for an extension of a Bay Area commuter rail line, the Altamont Corridor Express, to Ceres and Merced and a $100 million parkway project between the University of California, Merced, campus and Highway 99.
    Canella’s office declined to comment on the trailer bill or his vote.
    What does a rail line have to do with roads?
    ALREADY, they are counting our tax chickens and figuring out ways to steal them!!!
    Wake up sheeple.

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47. 

    Don Bessee

    06 April 2017

    Po’ ol’ PE again displays his incredibly pathetic lack of historical perspective@ 510 Sad. The worlds history did not start with Vietnam which seems to be the limit of your historical perspective, fail history too?

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48. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Trump keeps his word. (remember I called this one Paul?)
    Cruz missiles launched into Syria. Just reported. 60 of those greeting cards got sent.
    Nope, “O” has nothing on Trump. No “red line” warning, all business.

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49. 

    Walt

    06 April 2017

    Don. Vietnam was the Democrat’s war. DEMs went out of their way to lose it.

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50. 

    Don Bessee

    06 April 2017

    Fish @ 503- Syria was a long time ally going back to the pan arab movement starting in the 40’s. Both Syria and Iraq had Nazi trainers and were run by the Baathist parties. Lots of history there, so its not at all inconceivable he would have moved them with perhaps a hope to get some back later. A lot of what the Syrians turned over after 0’s red line deal with Russia were pretty old. Additionally Syria was the destination of choice for the Baathist rats fleeing the sinking Sadam ship. 😉

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