235 responses to “Sandbox – 21mar17”

1. 

   Paul Emery

   25 March 2017

   Single payer all the way Scott.
   Todd
   You’re referring to the 1200 who were mostly Blues in opposition to LaMalfa. Where were all the Republicans Todd?
   Off to Sacto

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   Todd Juvinall

   25 March 2017

   Wow it took you that long to respond Paul Emery? The R’s were there but we were not screaming and yelling. We have grace and manners. You libs are animals. Your women even wore vagina caps. Come on man you know your people have zero class.

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   Bill Tozer

   25 March 2017

   Paul, yes, you lied again. You said (no one else said it) you would be gone and not posting for a couple days. So, yeah, FOAD. You are a liar. A man is only as good as his word. If you cannot be as good as your word, you have nothing. You have zero credibility are a proven to be untrustworthy. That’s the facts, jack. On a more positive note, at least you are not fat. Otherwise, you would be fat, ugly, and stupid. Somebody else in Quaintytown takes that title. Always a silver lining.
   Healthcare vs health insurance:
   My doc refuses to take Obamacare or Medical. He can’t afford to keep the lights on and almost had to shutter his doors when he opened his practice to all comers. Said he came this close to losing his practice.
   With all the piles of added paperwork and tiny reimbursements. Rookie mistake.
   I have driven more than one person out of the county to go see a specialist that takes medical…after a 3-4 month wait..and it is not for a heart specialist or something big. Long drive, longer to book an appointment, and hard to find one that takes Medicaid at all.
   Having coverage is one thing, getting healthcare is another. Just look at the VA for how good single payer works. They all have coverage….while dying in the halls waiting on the floor for a nurse or to be seen.
   If healthcare is a right, then a doctor who refuses to take Obamacare (there are thousands) is violating someone’s civil rights and should be procesuted. If healthcare is a right, then all nurses who go on strike are violating our civil rights and should be arrested.
   The 13th Amendment bans forced servitude. Forcing physicians to perform services because it is a “right” means the 13th Amendment should be thrown out and slavery reinstated. Ain’t going to happen.
   Maybe if all those European countries who have single payer would start paying us what they owe the USA via NATO and their written agreements, then we would have more money to pass around to the uninsured. What, German cannot pay 2% of their GDP, yet finished the year with a 245 billion dollar surplus? It’s easy to play socialist when you dine and dash and not pay your tab.
   They want cheap Nation security protection so they can have cheap healthcare. Amazing. And PE says it’s mean to make them pony up…we will pay their NATO dues and in addition pay for some rapist or criminal who only wants to provide for their family….while drawing food stamps and breaking into our house, lol. Too funny. We will pay for everything…er…the other guy will pay for it with his money and give it to me.
   Funny, some people want government to keep their noses out of their business…..until they want government to rob Peter to pay for Paul.

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4. 

   Gregory

   25 March 2017

   “Single payer all the way Scott.”-PE
   That’s a Zombie answer.
   If I’d thought the local Blue Meanies would have been listening more than disrupting, I might have attended the LaMalfa.

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5. 

   Gregory

   25 March 2017

   BT 1113
   Folks have forgotten the differences between rights and entitlements.
   The golden rule remains those with the gold makes the rules; everything from great sex to organ transplants will always be rationed in one way or another. Folks living or visiting in single payer heavens like France or Canada will find ways to get insufficient care… just ask Princess Di’s survivors (the rule was no transport until the patient was stabilized, as opposed to get them to a trauma center, pronto), or Natasha Richardson’s (air ambulances are too expensive for wide use, and economies of scale means expensive diagnostic equipment are regional).
   So, here’s a quiz for all… who have the lower lifetime medical costs… smokers or non-smokers?

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6. 

   Russ

   25 March 2017

   Paul@08:49 PM
   U.S. workers face higher risk of being replaced by robots. Here’s why
   Millions of workers around the world are at risk of losing their jobs to robots — but Americans should be particularly worried.
   Thirty-eight percent of jobs in the U.S. are at high risk of being replaced by robots and artificial intelligence over the next 15 years, according to a new report by PwC. (Price Waterhouse Coopers)
   [ooo]
   “The gap between rich and poor could get even wider,” said Hawksworth.(John Hawksworth, PwC’s chief economist in the U.K)
   http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/technology/robots-jobs-us-workers-uk/index.html
   Automation Invasion: Robots Are Coming for Your Job
   Don’t call the government for help—they don’t know what to do either
   The robots are coming for our jobs. If this sounds hyperbolic, consider the impact that automation has already had on the American workforce. From 2000 to 2010, approximately five million manufacturing jobs were eliminated, and automation accounted for 87 percent of those jobs. A recent McKinsey report estimated that robots could take over another 50 percent of jobs that exist today.
   More here: http://observer.com/2017/03/automation-robots-american-jobs/
   The government does not want to recognize the problem as they do not know how to fix it.

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7. 

   ScenesFromTheApocalypse

   25 March 2017

   I suspect smokers, since they are likely to have a shorter lifespan. I don’t doubt that they cost more before they are 65, and thus have higher rates. I should use Google but feel the laziness coming on.
   BT: “My doc refuses to take Obamacare or Medical.” (I’m assuming this means Medi-Cal).
   I know doctors in the area who don’t take insurance at all. My guess is that the cost savings in clerical staff, computers, office space, etc. is pretty remarkable. It would be interesting to price out an insurance policy that only covers drugs, hospitals, specialists. You can certainly argue that GPs acted more like dentists (unless you get a premium plan through an employer, dental insurance is essentially valueless).
   Driving down the price of care looks like a difficult matter. Monopsony is one answer, alterations in patent law, actions against cartels, more competition somehow, everything sounds good until you try to put it into practice.

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8. 

   Todd Juvinall

   25 March 2017

   Funny that Paul Emery votes for losers all the time but fancies himself as some political guru fortune teller.

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9. 

   Scott Obermuller

   25 March 2017

   Gregory at 11:48 – One answer to that question is the smokers have way less health care costs.
   One of my grandfathers and his brother-in-law both were overweight and smoked. They both went for check ups every year. By age 60, they were both dead from sudden massive heart attacks. Sad, but they definitely saved the health care system a bundle.
   I wouldn’t recommend that path as a way to save health care dollars, and I keep in mind that was decades ago.
   The main point I think Gregory is getting at is that health care costs have been proven over and over to be largely linked to certain personal habits and one’s life style. Once you let the govt become the ‘single payer’, it will also become the controller of your life in so many ways.
   The silly idea that folks not taking care of their health will have to pay more is largely moot as the largest contingent of people with poor health habits have also been shown to be the ones with little or no income. Of course there will be ‘death panels’. But with a catchy name like – ‘Guarantors Of Your Healthy Existence’.

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10. 

    Walt

    25 March 2017

    Poor Paul. down to bumper sticker answers. Then move to Sweden Paul, they like music too.
    You can get your socialized medicine as well. Have at it. They took in all the Muslims I’m sure they would take one burned out American hippie. Just call yourself a “refugee” from Trump. That should score you a point or two.
    OK gents,, the pork butt is in the smoker.(damned late start) Now 10 hours to go.
    Just salt, pepper, worcestershire, onion,garlic, etc……. and a new twist, Jack Daniels Dejuan honey mustard.(saw it in the fridge, and said “AH what the hell..?)
    I might need a lab rat tomorrow.

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11. 

    Scott Obermuller

    25 March 2017

    From Russ at 12:17 – “The government does not want to recognize the problem as they do not know how to fix it.”
    Actually, the govt is helping to create this problem by doing everything they can to artificially raise the cost of hiring a human.
    The govt is hastening the day any given job done by a human becomes more productive from automation.
    The successful humans of the future will thrive by being adept at filling the tiny niche labor pools of jobs too small in number for anyone to care about automating. Or just become a politician. You can be sure that will be one job class made safe by legally forbidding automation.

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12. 

    Russ

    25 March 2017

    ScottO@01:09
    Excellent point on government actions raising the cost of hiring, which makes automation more economical. And, they do not know how to stop, their solution to every problem is more regulations, raising the cost of everything. I like Trump’s two for one approach. Resend two laws for every proposed new one. Should help a little, but not enough. Every regulation should come with an expiration date, just like the meat in my refrigerator. .

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13. 

    Gregory

    25 March 2017

    Yes, the Brit healthcare system has studied the issue; both smokers and the obese subsidize the rest of the population.
    No, that doesn’t signal a need to encourage smoking and high caloric couch potating but neither does it justify the primal need of coercive Utopians with skinny parents to claim a moral authority for ritual floggings.

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14. 

    Gregory

    25 March 2017

    “The main point I think Gregory is getting at is that health care costs have been proven over and over to be largely linked to certain personal habits and one’s life style.”
    Just the opposite, when measured over a lifetime, assuming they’ve been otherwise productive… but short term, it tends to be related to personal habits and the parents that you have chosen.

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15. 

    Walt

    25 March 2017

    From the rag,
    http://www.theunion.com/priority/main-headline/arrests-after-scuffle-breaks-out-at-california-trump-rally/
    And a well deserved ass whoopin.
    “The Los Angeles Times reported (goo.gl/3C88wT) that an anti-Trump protester who allegedly used the eye irritant was kicked and punched in the sand by a group of Trump supporters.”

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16. 

    Walt

    25 March 2017

    His Obummer care cover stupidity?(for my above post)

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17. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    25 March 2017

    An upcoming story will be the shutdown of “far-right” and “hard right” youtube accounts.
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-the-right-is-dominating-youtube
    The internet is an odd place since it leads to both an egalitarian and a monopolistic end game, depending on your belief system.

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18. 

    Bill Tozer

    26 March 2017

    The haters hate on Delingpole
    “Line ’em up and blow their fucking peanut brains out of their heads, they don’t use them anyway. Why are we allowing this sub moronic scum to promote this flat earth bullshit because it’ll get us all killed, and quite possibly within ten years?”
    Gosh. Was it something I wrote?
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/25/delingpole-environmentalists-arent-just-wrong-theyre-loathsome-and-evil-too/

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19. 

    Russ

    26 March 2017

    The other side of Eden: Commercial marijuana takes root in Steinbeck country
    Aging greenhouses in the Salinas Valley that long produced world-renowned cut flowers are being converted to grow cannabis, causing real-estate prices for these structures to spike.
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/california-weed/article140700623.html#storylink=cpy
    Competition for Nevada County’s mom and pop growers.

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20. 

    Bill Tozer

    26 March 2017

    It is not clear why Perez and Robinson were never deported, but there are extensive problems with federal databases tracking illegal aliens. Under the Obama administration, 1,811 aliens from terrorist countries—with final deportation orders—were handed U.S. citizenship instead of being removed from the country.
    “Fingerprints are missing from federal databases for as many as 315,000 immigrants with final removal orders or who are fugitive criminals,” the Associated Press reported in September. Until 2010, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) did not log digital fingerprint records of illegal aliens consistently. There are some 148,000 illegal aliens with final removal orders whose files do not contain fingerprint records, according to the Associated Press.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/illegal-aliens-deported-arrested-murder/

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21. 

    George Rebane

    26 March 2017

    re BillT 838am – This report joins the many similar ones that confirm that almost all of the feds’ databases are in various stages of calamitous disrepair. This existentiality should be kept in mind when reading the ‘Questions Unasked and Unanswered’ post.

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22. 

    Robert Cross

    26 March 2017

    Sorry! Breitbart is fake news with zero credibility in the real world. It is a gossip rag designed to enrage people with trumped up (pardon the pun) unsubstantiated stories. Get real, people. You are being fed garbage and are buying into it. The trumpeters are playing you like fiddle. So far they have done nothing to help the people who elected them and instead are selling out the country to the multinational corporatists and their lackeys. Not quite the populism people thought they were going to get..

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23. 

    Scott Obermuller

    26 March 2017

    St Paul the Pious and Jerry Moonie Brown sing from the same hymnal.
    Apparently the left is so far gone they really have no recollections of their scoldings on the dangers of letting our religious beliefs guide our politics.
    Or – bad when the conservatives do it, but wonderful when the left does it.
    Money quote: “So I hope he would reconnect with some of his conservative evangelicals and they’ll tell him that these are human beings and they’re children of God, they should be treated that way.”
    So – ‘children of God’ don’t have to obey the law?
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/26/ca-gov-brown-not-christian-to-build-wall-to-keep-out-illegal-immigrants/
    Keep it up, lefties – you’re losing votes every time you open your mouth.

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    Scott Obermuller

    26 March 2017

    Mr Robert Cross – you are saying the above link is from a ‘fake’ news source? NBC’s Meet The Press is fake?
    Perhaps if the good Mr Cross would wipe the spittle from his chin and possibly provide some actual proof of his rant, I just might pay attention.
    Not holding my breath.
    Proof, Mr Cross – until then, just another mindless rant from an unhinged leftie.

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25. 

    Todd Juvinall

    26 March 2017

    RobertC, I don’t use Breibart for news but they are as credible as any source you push. So get real and open your mind to other POV. You libs are all in for the DailyKOS and the Nation. Sad.

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26. 

    Walt

    26 March 2017

    Really Cross? THIS fake news?
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/03/25/rally-for-trump-law-enforcement-meets-violent-anti-american-protesters-in-california/
    Funny,, LIB news waters down the story to help the anti Trump SOBs look better.
    PROOF here..
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/03/26/anti-trump-violence-media-ignore/
    Looks like it’s YOUR news come from the sewer, not “ours”.

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27. 

    Scott Obermuller

    26 March 2017

    A little something for dear Mr Cross and all other ‘progressives’ out there.
    Don’t like BB? Here’s just the ticket.
    Its credentials are as solid as anything left of Mother Jones or Das Kapital.
    http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1042&context=fpq
    I can save you an hour of sipping on a fine adult beverage on a rainy Sunday afternoon and tell you the left has completely lost its mind.
    Officially.
    Admit to your white guilt?
    Oh – that makes you ever so much more racist.
    Once the witch hunts begin, you better be the best witch hunter ever. Otherwise – you’re the witch.

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28. 

    Walt

    26 March 2017

    Tough times to be a Lefty. Reduced to TROLL status these days. Token jabs, discredited at every post. Every time you think you have a bit of red meat, it turns rotten in thy hand.
    Tough times dudes,, tough times.

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29. 

    Scott Obermuller

    26 March 2017

    I’m not done yet – for the intellectual leftistas out there –
    http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/446081/living-constitution-dianne-feinstein-neil-gorsuch-attack
    from Lady DiFi:
    “After noting a bunch of court cases that reaffirmed Roe, Feinstein went on to make an additional point: “Importantly, the dozens of cases affirming Roe are not only about precedent, they are also about a woman’s fundamental and constitutional rights.”
    Ah – so only women have ‘fundamental’ rights.
    What are they, and from whence do they arrive?
    C’mon lefties, throw us a bone, here.

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30. 

    Bill Tozer

    26 March 2017

    https://www.facebook.com/670970859684203/photos/a.883287695119184.1073741829.670970859684203/1303215573126392/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/820665594750331/?type=3&theater

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31. 

    Bill Tozer

    26 March 2017

    Thankyou President Trump. This is more than I dared to even dream for. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. A Day of Gratitude is in order.
    http://100percentfedup.com/this-isnt-obamas-america-anymore-womens-march-leader-convicted-palestinian-terrorist-stripped-of-u-s-citizenshipwill-be-deported/

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32. 

    Don Bessee

    26 March 2017

    Yes BT it was better to kick her jihadi ass out instead of paying to jail her here. 😉

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33. 

    Bill Tozer

    26 March 2017

    Don @ 5:42. I have a question for you:
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/820395824777308/?type=3&theater
    And now, a word from our HUD Secretary. Guess the Alt-Left has been so busy yelling “Putin!” In the movie theater that they haven’t got around to turning the feeding frenzy loose on Dr. Ben…..yet. Give it time. 🙂
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/820415901441967/?type=3&theater

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34. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    27 March 2017

    So, is the Catholic church in the pocket of the Mexican government? or is it as simple as blood outweighing religion?
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/APFN_LT_MEXICO_TRUMP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-03-26-19-23-25

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35. 

    Walt

    27 March 2017

    So it begins. (and the bitching as well)
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/sanctuary-cities-to-be-barred-from-justice-department-funds-sessions-says-1490637493

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