[It's been fun listening to NPR (National Propaganda Radio) and reading the AP (All Propoganda) news service. Both are bending over backwards attempting to output unbiased reports on the election while failing miserably as they not so subtly characterize Trump's 'unsuitability' for the presidency while describing Hillary's herculean efforts to keep her lead in the polls while ignoring the prime reasons why the polls are tightening in the first place. Sure explains away why our progressive neighbors have a skewed picture of the world when they sole source their news. gjr]

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86 responses to “Sandbox – 3nov16”
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This made me spit coffee this morning….
The Washington Redskins finally drop offensive name:
Dan Snyder, owner of the NFL Redskins, has announced that the team is dropping “Washington ” from the team name, and it will henceforth be simply known as, “The Redskins.”
It was reported that he finds the word ‘Washington’ imparts a negative image of poor leadership, mismanagement, corruption, cheating, lying, and graft, and is not a fitting role-model for young fans of football.LikeLike
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George,
Please stop referring the Democrats and their leadership as progressive. I post one thing a day on fb. Here is todays post.
I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT LIFE SUCKS AND WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
Remember Bernie Sanders led Trump anywhere from 12-20% in the polls.
I want to start rolling this message out now. Those of you who watched and pretended the Democratic Party was a neutral player in the presidential primary have created this fiasco of an election. How we participate and play the game actually does matter. Ends justify the means elections undermine the principles of democracy and leaves the people with little to no representation.
So when people bash third parties, specifically Jill Stein and the Green Party, what they are saying is corruptions is fine, stealing of elections are fine, lying is fine, war is fine, ect…. just as long as Trump doesn’t win. Well all of the actions of the Democratic Party have proven to be the very thing that will put Trump over the top. We are living in surreal times when very open predator capitalist and misogynistic bigot actually has a good chance at becoming our highest elected official in the US. We have fallen a long way.
I am voting for the People
I am voting for the Planet
I am voting for Peace
I am voting for all of these comes before Profit
I am voting Stein/ Baraka 2016LikeLike
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Knock yourself out, Ben. I still love ya. In a perfect world………
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I refuse to choose between a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyxGtRo9nALikeLike
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Please stop referring the Democrats and their leadership as progressive.
Have the democrats who call themselves progressive been informed?
I mean all those Hillary voters will stride into the voting booth on Tuesday proudly thinking they are progressive…..you should probably let them know they are mistaken.LikeLike
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Not sure Fish if you watched the charade called the Democratic Party presidential primaries but that message was sent loud and clear.
Trump as much as I cannot stand the guy exposed the Republican Party and their disdain for the people’s opinion and interests.
I think within 10 years we will have some major electoral reforms and in the process a much more democratic form of governing body representing the interests of the people not industry.
I have been describing the two major party nominees to the roughly 1,000 students I have spoken to this election season as a
Short Term Nightmare – Trump
Long Term Disaster -Clinton.
Although representing the Green Party I admit the Green Party is not the answer, it is only a small part of the answer. We need more parties and ideas involved since the major two parties can no longer govern in the interest of the people since they are both beholden to industry. If the Greens were to just replace the D’s or R’s they too would be come corrupted. We need major electoral reforms not just the changing of the guard in a dysfunctional and antiquated electoral system.LikeLike
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Short Term Nightmare – Trump
Long Term Disaster -Clinton.
WOW! I didn’t expect agreement this fast!
Well done Ben!LikeLike
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I encourage you all to read this book.
Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny
http://www.fairvote.org/grand-illusion-the-myth-of-voter-choice-in-a-two-party-tyranny
Indeed, the most valuable part of Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny may be its substantial concluding section in which Amato offers specific steps to substantive reform. Many of these will be familiar to FairVote supporters, but she manages to provide a very compelling and pragmatic case for the realization of these goals. These tangible reforms range from an affirmative right to vote, to voting rights for ex-felons, to the abolition of the Electoral College. Her suggestions in this section are plausible, practical, and detailed, so that potential implementation seems just around the corner.
Amato’s section about the nine Supreme Court cases that need to be overturned is also interesting, and it exemplifies the research and creativity she invested in the book. She also has a plethora of statistics about every possible facet of election law; she has done her research, and it shows.
A few of the notable reforms Amato advocates include:
1. Elimination the Electoral College. She argues that this is important because a true democracy provides more than two candidates or parties for any election, and she sees the Electoral College as the major obstacle preventing us from achieving a more legitimate democracy. (See more about FairVote’s position on the Electoral College here. We’re not for it.)
2. Federalization of Federal Elections. This is necessary, she writes, in order to make the elections more uniform. She asserts that states have proven too inept and prone to corruption, and people themselves are mobile and not bound by mere geography. FairVote’s solution is similar; we suggest implementing federal standards for elections, even as states hold their own elections.
3. Proportional Representation and Instant Runoff Voting. At both the state and federal levels, Amato encourages these methods of voting, as they allow for greater fairness and greater representation, she contends. FairVote heartily agrees
Amato’s book is rife with potential means to improving our elections; these are just three notable examples that she suggests. Grand Illusion, though also a heavily detailed account of real-life campaign experience, serves as a valuable tool in the fight for electoral reform. Like-minded readers will certainly find themselves better-informed in matters of electoral reform laws and the struggle faced by third parties in America.LikeLike
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We don’t have a true democracy. Our Founders wanted to make sure California could not override Utah, Delaware, Oklahoma, Georgia, Nevada, Maine, Nevada, and by doing so, rule the roost.
It’s called a Constitutional Republic. States rights, a Federeration of States. That, Ben, is the crux of the problem with your agrument. I don’t care if we have 50 political parties (most of them with insufficient funds) or 150 political parties. Bottomline, we are not a true Democracy. Don’t like it? Get 2/3 of the States to go along with you. No problem with that because it’s Constitutional. Until then, we are a republic ruled by laws, not the passing passions in the wind.LikeLike
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What happens when a 3rd Party like the Greens get corrupted? What happens when a little political party is rejected by the voters and laughed out of town? Cry it’s unfair? Blame the problem on not getting the message out, not realizing the message was fully understood by the populace? What happens when a good guy like you, Ben Emery, becomes corrupted by power or prestige? What happens is what you are witnessing right now. You seek a ground swell, yet fail to see the paradise fire is already raging at this very moment.
But, that is just my opinion. How long until the good guys become the bad guys? Will you start the housecleaning first with the within, or attack the without. What safeguards do you have that someday down the road the goods guys get co-opted by the bad guys in a moment of passing passions? Sue them to get your party back? Take your marbles and go find another sandbox to play in? What are you going to do with human nature?
The burglar sitting in jail decries the rigged system and reeks of bitterness and self pity while never stopping to put the blame squarely where it belongs. A great diversion the burglar has mastered.LikeLike
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Latest wikileak.
https://i.sli.mg/XdDgk4.jpgLikeLike
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We have a limited constitutional democratic republic. Our constitution doesn’t give rights it protect rights from being overridden by our government. Doesn’t work when we have two major parties that have made it impossible to challenge them in the partisan electoral arena. Our US Constitutional protections are violated everyday by both parties through our government. That is the thing the D’s and R’s aren’t our government, they are supposed to be our representatives who pull the levers and operate our government in our interests. They do not.
If you want to play semantic games, I’m out. Fair Vote used the word True Democracy, which actually bothered me as well.
A true democracy we wouldn’t have representatives, we would all have direct votes on every issue. It doesn’t really work with large populations and unlimited campaign spending with 1st amendment ability to lie without legal recourse. Ends justify the means campaigning is all we get anymore. Issues and action, why bother just smear your opponents and throw around tested marketing slogans as ideas. I think Michael Moore said it best just before he got booed off the stage.
“We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.”- Michael Moore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Is43K6lrg
That is also why the talking point of democracy is mob rule doesn’t apply to all democracies, therefore is misused constantly.LikeLike
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Where have you been Ben? Your only figuring out now the game was rigged against Sanders?
Plenty of us knew that from the start. I even pointed that out to you way back when.
But don’t listen to a common ditch digger like me. Since you didn’t,, you start bitching and complaining.LikeLike
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Thank you for sharing, Ben. Sorry you are out. Word games or not, hope you take much comfort in that 1-2% of voters to stand with you. Probably higher than 2%in Portlanda and Nevada City than anywhere else on the planet. Not bad, not bad at all. You have the moral high ground no doubt to go along with your pocket full of promises and dancing unicorns. Hey Ben, how does it feel to be a 1%er? The other 99% who are on the #NeverJill bandwagon are the problem, right? Loooooozzzzzeeerrrrrrrrr.
Now, to the real important stuff. WTF is happening? Trump is growing more calm and confident and Hillary’s screech is back. Trump is speaking in measured tones, while Hillary just broke one of her tenets. She fell into the snare and attacked Trump supporters again. Hey, how many times do I have to tell ya that attacking Trump supporters is a fatal mistake. That girl is losing it all the while Trump’s hair is staying perfectly in place and sitting pretty. Guess it’s her turn in the nut cracker.
What the Progressives can’t wrap their heads around is the two way relationship between Trump and his tiny motley crew of supporters. Call Trump stupid, you call Trumpsters stupid. You call Trumpeters dark and divisive, you will be choking on your own words, as artiticulated by Citizen Trump.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/trump_voters_stand_by_for_incoming.htmlLikeLike
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Here’s one off the news desk,
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-26/trump-hotel-in-toronto-nears-auction-after-default-by-developerLikeLike
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“Lawyers representing JCF Capital (the owner of the note) and Donald Trump’s Trump Organization, which licensed its name to the building and manages it, didn’t immediately respond to requests seeking comment. ”
It’s probably best to read beyond just the headline.LikeLike
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Scenes. I thought the exact same thing. :). Now they are saying Trump raped a 4 year old girl, lol. Head popping time. Win or lose, half the USA will be real real pissed come Nov. 9th. It’s getting ugly out there. Neither side can trust the other, right or wrong, for years to come. Oh, there are rumors that NYPD is going to charge Bubba for running a child sex ring and they have proof. I won’t go there, my side or theirs. Trump the child rapist! Well, the Epstein connection does make ya wonder. Bubba did make a couple of outings with Espstein without his Secret Service detail. Told them to stay home. Crazy.
Surprised that Boardman didn’t come over here saying David Duke supports Trump (for the 5th time). Yo Boardman, you got it wrong. David Duke does not support Trump, Trump supports David Duke. Get it straight, man. Too funny. Looney tunes.
Obama said a vote for Trump is a vote for the KKK!!! Never have I seen a sitting President be so vile, so ugly. And they talk about Trump’ temperament, lol.
Then Hillary said a Trump presidency is the end of law and order and democracy. You can’t make this stuff up. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Hillary running on law and order. Obama the great unifier. Mr. Toad’s ride ride got closed down at Disneyland, so we get the next closest thing.
Guess the MSM’s prediction of Hillary flipping Texas and Georgia may have been premature. Now Hillary is showing up with that great defender of women, Jay Z. Election night O and the First Lady and Bubba and Hillary and Dem wack job are meeting in Philly. Philly? Thought Penn was solid blue, a safe state. Exploding heads everywhere you look.
Romney lost Nevada by 6. Trump in Reno tomorrow. Can’t somebody just put a knife in him? He is getting too uppity. Hillary pulled out of Colorado as well as her PAC money. Now they are forced to dump a few million of ad buys back into CO. They are not as cocky as they were 2 weeks ago. Flip Georgia and Texas to Clinton? Beam me up, Scottie.
The wackos are coming out of the woodwork!LikeLike
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October jobs report. Lost 45,000 jobs. Obama’s hair on fire as he is running around bragging about the economic recovery. Taco Bell is hiring.
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Just a sampling of what 4 years of Hiliary will bring us.
NYPD Ready to Make Arrests in Anthony Weiner Case
“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/LikeLike
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Russ, the Dems know that Washington is for sale. They know that the Foundation was set up to keep her campaignon payroll waiting in the wings for years until herofficial 2015 announcement. They know it was one big RICO scam and a pyramid scheme to make the Clinton’s filthy rich. They know Hillary as Sectretary of State sold access. They know all this.
They know that State never gave Defense the ok to go into Benghazi. They know about the private server, a rouge government within a government server if you will. They know both Hillary and Obama’s closest advisers (Valarie and Huma) have deep Muslim Brotherhood sympathies. They know she is a compulsive congenital liar. They know and they don’t care. Period.
All that Dems and all that the Progressives (same thing) have is Trump MIGHT do this, Trump might do that, Trumpwants to subvert the Constitution, Trump might be not be inclusive. Trump might launch nukes, Trump…….? The devil they know is better than the devil they do not know.
All the talking is done. If you sendsomeone an annyomous letter with pics, docs, timeframes, messages, and all proof that someone’s wife was screwing another guy, the Dems would focus on the messenger, not the message. They are something else.. “Those pics of your wife cheating and copies of them exchanging texts were taken without permission. That’s against the law!!” “Its private sent by an enemy” Lol. Or, “Hey, Bubba is not on the ballot”,
Talking done. No minds are going to change…..except if Trump’s message and the issues he is addressing everyday resonate. Sure, he spends time on Hillary, then pivots straight to the economy, vets, education, border security, Homeland Security, etc. Hillary’s lone message is Trump does not respect the Constitution, will nuke the planet, and wants Jim Crow to rule the land. She has no message, no hope, no nothing except bad Trump. “Trump is dangerous because he could be dangerous I think”.
So, the enemy you know is better than the enemy you don’t know is all they got.LikeLike
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http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/
What’s interesting here isn’t so much a list of hearsay on Clinton crimes, but that Erik Prince is all in on the results of the Presidential race. A bit dangerous given the business he’s in and the bad temper of the likely winner.LikeLike
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Bill T. at 10:40. Good post and pretty much describes the mediaborne reality at this point.
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…I see now that Erik Prince is not so involved in the security business anymore post-Blackwater and is primarily an investor and logistics provider. No doubt he feels a bit more immune from the predations of Lady Macbeth at this point and so can afford to take sides.
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The Progressives have 15 events scheduled today. Hillary is scheduled to appear at one of them. Poor thing, I hope she can hold up. She is a brave woman.
https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/LikeLike
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BenE 910am – I call people ‘progressive’ who 1) so label themselves, and/or 2) walk the ideological walk of historical progressivism. More parties (per your 1001am)? Absolutely, the record of such a political terrain has been promoted here for ten years. And I would love to hear more about the characteristics of your (1005am) “legitimate democracy”. We know that the closer governance approaches pure democracy, the more brittle it becomes, finally to the point of rejecting it all together as it embraces dictatorship.
Re a previous GeorgeB comment. AP burnishes no mid-road credentials by its being subscribed to by Fox News – they and all major news media subscribe to a broad spectrum of sources; it’s only being professional. AP’s political tilt is obvious by any cursory examination of its coverage of partisan issues. A tutorial about this for would-be journalists is fairly straightforward even if we cover only word choice.LikeLike
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Here is what Syeve Hurley wrote in response top my critique of jois screed in the Union the other day.
“Steven Hurley · Adjunct Faculty, Real Estate Principles at Sierra College
Hi Todd: Tell Rebane, Wilder, Brost, Bessie, Lee French, and the rest of the gang: “We are coming for you.”
My response was “of course, that is what communists do?LikeLike
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George B,
Your AP is balanced arguments are bogus. Even right-leaning organizations want to know what left-leaning organizations are thinking. The AP is an anthropogenic global warmers propaganda outlet. Show me one AP article on the climate where they discuss both sides of the anthropogenic global warming argument. AP reporters would not recognize real science if it hit them in the butt. I fear you too would have a hard time accepting the actual science of climate change.LikeLike
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Bring it Hurley, although you might want to check how that worked out for the last guy who said that! No one is hiding from you, my pit bull is drooling at the thought of a tasty trespasser. I wonder which Broast hurley is refereeing to, Nancy or Pete? 😉
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DonB, my guess is Hurley is a coward except in print. If he is related to the other Hurley I dealt with, he would be a commie.
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Scenes: How about some funny Tales from the Dark Side.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kfGeXth-Do4LikeLike
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Regarding AP bias (and IMHO they are left leaners) which do you think is the most unbiased news source? Christian Science Monitor is the best I can come up with.
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jon smith: The classified ads writer seems untainted to me.
Greggory: Here is a man of principles voting for Gov. Johnson of New Mexico. He has a great point, albeit it is a little late to get the genie back in the bottle.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/03/judge-napolitano-fbi-director-james-comey-has-behaved-like-j-edgar-hoover.htmlLikeLike
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Russ, the AP climate reporter, Seth Borenstein, is an alarmist. The management is probably happy to give him slack because that keeps them on their social circuit. How many actually care is unclear.
Tozer, as long as my vote is tallied as a Libertarian, the Dems and GOP know what they need to do to bring me into their tent. Had a nice conversation with a conservative today and he was thinking, once I identified my LIB status, that I’d be a Republican voter because the GOP was the small government party… (I didn’t point out that Republicans have been nearly as guilty of big government bias as Dems have; I recall Wm. F. Buckly stating that Democrats were socialists and Republicans were reluctant socialists) but I did tell him I could understand his confusion because Libertarians are where the GOP has been stealing all their best new ideas.
In the good old days, there were Federalist Republicans and anti-Federalist Democrats… since the days of FDR (and a wee bit before that), we’ve had Federalist Democrats and Federalist Republicans and government growth like Topsy. My dream is that someday, we’ll once again have a government in balance, federalist and anti-federalist. Central government vs States… it’s the natural dividing line.
For now, I’ll root for Trump to win to keep the SCOTUS from becoming more Clintonian than it already is and leave the window open for a more libertarian future. And I’ll vote for Johnson with a clear conscience, knowing that even if I voted Trump, and he won, it wouldn’t be due to California Electors because there won’t be any unless a Democrat breaks rank. Don’t hold your breath.LikeLike
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Regarding Napolitano’s screed I cannot disagree more. Comey was directed by the Congress to inform them of material changes, and he did so and I think it can be argued it was in a timely manner, a couple weeks after the NYPD provided the FBI with the evidence they’d gathered and with a reported ultimatum, either you act on it or the NYC DA would.
I’m happy to hear of his plans to vote for Johnson. This is about party building not winning this time, though had Johnson gotten into the “debates”, winning would have been a possibility albeit slim.LikeLike
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Regarding unbiased news sources, there aren’t any and, furthermore, there never have been any. I read, listen and watch everything I can and work to sort it out myself.
Fox is remarkably unbiased but have their blind spots. I listen to NPR and watch PBS, they have their blind spots; they try, but could try harder. I even watch BSNBC but only in short doses, and listen to the BBC Worldservice when I can. I regularly read the WSJ, Chronicle, Sacbee and The Union. Drudgereport also has its place.
Both Fox and NBC were better at the fairness thing when Tony Snow and Tim Russert were still alive… I still think Obama might not have won his first term had they lived long enough… Russert, in particular, was great at not giving his side a free pass; that man could smell the BS.LikeLike
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I agree with Gregory.
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Another LIB twists off. This one was thinking about shooting Trump in Reno.
True desperation has set in.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3909514/Donald-Trump-rushed-away-Secret-Service-speaking-Reno-rally.htmlLikeLike
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We were there but thankfully left before the ruckus. Doubt anyone had a gun.
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Trump is the loneliest non politician in America. No surrogates. Hillary has all the elite politicians and elite artists campaigning for her. Trump just has his family. Once again it’s Trump against the world…..until now. Breaking news!! Trump has got himself a surrogate to help finish the job. On time and under budget.
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-appears-with-trump-in-flurry-of-swing-state-rallies/amp?ref=yfp#LikeLike
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Trump surrogates include Gingrich and Giuliani, not to mention his campaign manager Kellyanne Conway.
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Trump +5.6 48.2/42.6
USC Daybreak
http://cesrusc.org/election/
Tied for #1 in 2012 as the RAND Continuous poll, might be all wet this year. Time (2+ days) will tell.LikeLike
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Oh Gregory, of course Trump has a few surrogates. Rudy is a great one for sure. I posted that just cause it’s funny and there is always a grain of truth in good humor. I could have just as easily posted Hillary’s surrogates like Madonna offering a blow job in exchange for supporting Hillary….with her teeth out. Just laughing at my Candidate and I may be his number one surrogate here….before being Deplorable was cool. Just cause it’s my ox being gored, does not mean I am afraid to post it. No ground game, no support, just one man and a twitter machine….and the American voter. What a sourpuss.
On the Judge Nap screed, I disagree with him also. With that said, I see both points. The FBI should not be seen trying to influence an election (timing) verses Comey’s oath of office which compels the FBI to avoid withholding any evidence in spite of the proximity to the election. Even the appearance of monkeying with the laws is a no-no, IMHO. Fair and impartial in an ideal world, but that went out the window with the tarmac affair and the aborted criminal investigation in July. One could argue both sides, but this is what happens when you have a politicalized Justice Department, I fear this government. Justice is not blind, The oath of office takes a hit.
Ironically, it will be proven in time that it was the lowest of lower level FBI agents who stood up and swore to fight fo uphold their oath of office that may bring down the House of Cards. Putting the Constitution and county ahead of mere mortals. Valor, honor, duty.LikeLike
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Oh, this is a great defense. Liked the word “whopper” and My Gal’s lovely photo so close together.
http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-wikileaks-jennifer-palmieri-whopper-emails-2016-11?ref=yfp?r=UK&IR=TLikeLike
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Walter, Crites identifies himself as a Republican (who thinks Trump is a world class douchebag).
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Hey Walt, where’s that gun at Trump’s Reno rally that nobody’s been able to find? USA Today reports the guy claims to be a registered Republican who was protesting his party’s nominee!
Once again, you jumped to a conclusion with no facts to back it up. Just like your politics.LikeLike
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The Millennials working at CNN who skipped geology class are responsible for this:
THIS IS CNN: “The struggle is real. Just don’t stop and ask CNN for directions to Nevada, as you might end up in another state entirely.”</>
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/11/05/cnn-knows-how-to-pronounce-nevada-but-do-not-ask-them-for-directions-there/LikeLike
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A detour from election stuff and veering off the mind blogging reaches of Hillary’s corruption for one post. This the sandbox, is it not?
This is the morning Hell Froze Over. I never thought I could agree with a New York College Professor who teaches Liberal Studies and is even labeled as a communist by the New Yorker. The ‘he’ in the quote below is the commie pinko liberal progressive Stalinist. Look how they trash him. But, he is correct.
“He seeks to discredit many of us who are committed to social justice by calling us insane and suggesting that some of our concerns are crazy,” the letter says.
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/michael-rectenwald-the-deplorable-nyu-professor-im-not-a-fake/
Boardman. Headline after headline says get out of the market now and buy gold. You say you were on it. I say buy when there is blood in the streets. I am waiting to pluck the bedwetters’ feathers.
Boardman again: I thought your agrument for voting for Hillary sounded familiar. You ripped off Michael Moore’s words. Bad journalist, bad. Or did Michael Moore plagiarize you? Boy, I see why you are scared shitless now. I understand what fear does to a man, and it’s not pretty. I heard what you said and can smell your pain. Run for the hills?
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