119 responses to “Dump Trump and Pillory Hillary – 26sep16 (updated 28sep16)”

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   Gregory

   29 September 2016

   BT, those captioned pics are always on the childish side.
   Russ, that’s most probably her ear.
   Paul, while 538 is finding a large Hillary Won! signal, it isn’t evident in the USC/LA Times poll at all. If anything, Trump has found a couple handfuls of voters, and Hillary only one handful of new voters. No big move, no obvious inflection point.

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   Bill Tozer

   29 September 2016

   Gregory, very true, albeit the words on the pic were deadly serious articulating exactly how if feel. Should of posted under “The Death of Justice” comment stream or whatever it was called. I expect Justice to be a slanted political arm (animal) of any Administration serving at the pleasure of the Prez, but the FBI? Sad state of affairs, but that is how I feel. You just don’t like pictures of My Gal. Can’t blame you.
   BTW, my 6:05am post in the Sandbox is quite unchildish. One out of two ain’t bad. I promise to grow up someday if my inner child lets me. :).

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   George Rebane

   29 September 2016

   Re Hillary’s equipment: Could the ‘ear piece’ be part of a hearing aid? And the lumps under her clothes, could they not be either medical monitoring and/or medicine dispensing devices?

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   Paul Emery

   29 September 2016

   Gregory
   If you follow this link (if the election were held today) you will see Hillary is up 20 points since Monday. Trump won the debate Sure,,,,, %52% on Monday, 72% today
   http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now

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   Paul Emery

   29 September 2016

   Also todays polls show Clinton up =1 in the Rasmussen poll . A week ago it was Trump + 5. Six point turnaround in a week. More evidence that Trump won the debate right?
   http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

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   Gregory

   29 September 2016

   Apples and apples, not apples and guavas, Paul. Is it the debate or is it the relentless declarations of wins by Hillary’s battalion of flying monkeys? I agree with Michael Moore and Newt Gingrich on this one… she won on points, he likely won on what he needed to win in November.
   A problem with the “if the election was held today” is that it’s not going to be held today, and if there is such a big swing… why wasn’t any inkling of it picked up by the USC Dornsife ongoing poll?
   538 is, I think, letting its hyperpartisan core get the best of them in the short term.

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   Gregory

   29 September 2016

   “you will see Hillary is up 20 points since Monday”
   Paul, part of this problem may be your innumeracy. That isn’t points in the usual sense, that’s a small change of the probability their simulations result in a win. 55/45 isn’t that much better than 72/28, and Silver, despite his devotion to his craft, is just aching for a Clinton win.
   It also does its best to pretend there won’t be a worse October surprise for Clinton than Trump, or that announcements of Obamacare premium increases just before the election won’t hit hard.

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   Todd Juvinall

   29 September 2016

   Hopefully this wall of charts comes through. From the LA Times/USC . Hillary has a 10% lump with women but Trump has a 20% with men. He also has 17% of the black vote. Really interesting.
   http://cesrusc.org/election/

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   Gregory

   29 September 2016

   Regarding the lumps under Clinton’s pantsuit, I think that’s mostly Clinton.
   Really, people, I can get this kind of stuff from the Area 51 souvenir stands on US 95.

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    Todd Juvinall

    29 September 2016

    GeorgeR, I gleaned this from that poll and perhaps you have a more erudite explanation than I. But at the risk of looking dumber than I am, it would seem to me that Trump is doing way better than expected as they use the 2012 Obama victory numbers?
    “Each night, Daybreak Poll results are weighted to match demographic characteristics (such as race and gender) from the U.S. Census Current Population Survey, and aligned to the 2012 presidential election outcome using how respondents tell us how they voted in that election. Then the latest results, averages of all of the prior week’s responses, are posted online at https://election.usc.edu and on the LATimes.com Politics site shortly after midnight.”

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11. 

    fish

    29 September 2016

    Regarding the lumps under Clinton’s pantsuit, I think that’s mostly Clinton.
    It’s obvious isn’t it……those are the bumpy edges of her true reptilian outer skin poking through the skin of the “glamour” in which she is currently residing.

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    Russ

    29 September 2016

    Lefties vote for TRUMP!
    BuzzFeed recently published a presidential preference poll for their readership to take part in. A day or so later, they felt the need to “update” it because they felt the results “no longer accurately reflects the opinions of real people.”
    Take three guesses as to what the results were showing.
    Polls are something that many media outlets do. They’re a quick thing that will catch people’s attention during a heated presidential cycle and will hopefully get the public to click on the outlet’s website. Undoubtedly, BuzzFeed also did this figuring that the “poll” would have a strong showing for Hillary Clinton, showing given the site’s tendency to openly criticize her opponent.
    97% of the Votes were for Trump?
    http://www.mrctv.org/blog/buzzfeed-hilariously-updates-own-online-poll-due-huge-trump-showing
    These online polls are not scientific polls, but who can explain the huge disparity in a mostly lefty audience.

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    Todd Juvinall

    29 September 2016

    Watching the news programs and even FOX today makes me realize how out of touch they all are with the American people. They think this Venezuelan babe is going to have some impact. I say, NOPE. No one is talking about it except the talking heads. Americans are concerned about jobs. Simple as that.

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    Gregory

    29 September 2016

    Regarding Ms. Machado (aka Miss Piggy), she’s a beautiful woman who at one time held a job for a year that required her to fit in the same dress she fit in at the beginning. Stewardesses, back in the bad old days of “Coffee, Tea or Me”, were also held to strict weight and age standards because they were expected to be hot and ready for the next time a Bond, James Bond was a passenger. Airlines were selling sex appeal. Well, that went by the wayside when the point was made that those purely cosmetic features really had nothing to do with the actual performance of the job, primarily performing the safety features Kabuki at the beginning of the flight, serving drinks, and killing a minimum of passengers if a crash occurs.
    The difference between a stewardess and Miss Universe… is that the only real job function of Miss Universe is keeping the hotness of that day when she won. Beauty Contest?
    Oh, and for this Muppets fan, Miss Piggy has always had a positive impact. I mean, that’s Kermit’s sweetie, right?
    Here’s something for Paul… 538 polls plus and RCP electoral, no toss ups agree except for two states… RCP has Colorado leaning Trump, 538 has Florida leaning Clinton.
    If they both go Trump, he gets 275 and wins… and Florida has been going back and forth.

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    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    Yes Gregory RCP has Trump up .5% in Colorado but those are last weeks poll before the debate. Lets check in on this next week when the new polls are out.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/co/colorado_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5974.html
    By the way what documentation do you have that Nate Silver is ” despite his devotion to his craft, is just aching for a Clinton win.”
    Where does that assumption come from?

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    Gregory

    29 September 2016

    Paul, that “20 points” you were crowing about was just two weeks of gains, and the USC Daybreak poll, using data of the last few days… shows just a little movement mostly for Trump. I think your druthers are motivating you more than just a little.
    Regarding Silver’s druthers… Shirley, you jest!

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    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    I don’t know grizzly about silvers preference show me something that will support your view

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18. 

    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    Should have read I don’t know anything ………

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    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    The 20 points up for Hillary was from Silvers odds based on if the election were held today. It’s compared to last week. Follow the link and you’ll agree with me.
    Just a reminder that Nate Silver picked all 50 states correctly in 2012 and 49 out of 50 in 08 so I think his predictions are notable. If you want to pick a loser follow Todds picks. He was double digets off in both elections.

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    Gregory

    29 September 2016

    Paul, you know a lot, but it takes you longer to digest reality than some others. It’s really good you got past that “It’s all over, the GOP needs to find a replacement while there’s still time” phase of yours of a few weeks ago… You’ll be fine, just chill out and let reality happen. I’ll buy you a beer at the Gary Johnson consolation apres election party.

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    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    oh yeah
    http://mashable.com/2012/11/07/nate-silver-wins/#Gg9YvT2vTaqa

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22. 

    Gregory

    29 September 2016

    Ah, yes, living in the past. Silver hit a grand slam by applying the lessons learned for Obama take 1 and used those models for Obama take 2. Those models may or may not hold for the Donald v. Hillary. Time will tell.

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    Russ

    29 September 2016

    Paul, you need to recalibrate your faith in Silver’s models. Most recently he was sure that Trump would never be the GOP nominee. The models based on the past will not work this time. We are dealing with a movement, not a political campaign in the traditional sense. If he continues down the current path of thinking, Silver will be lucky to get 49% of the states right. On the other hand, if he adjusts his bayesian models with some recognition of how unlikable Clinton is and how strong Trumpism is he may improve his score. His biggest challenge is to overcome his unconscious liberal biases. Remember he is a global warmer, who refused to look at the science that was contrary to his point of view. He swallowed Al Gore’s crap science and none of Gore’s climate predictions have come true, Arctic is not ice-free, severe weather is not increasing, sea level rise is not accelerating, etc.. Models with bad data produces garbage results. Of course, only time will tell. It will be interesting to track Silvers’s results, provide a little interest to a very dull campaign.

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    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    you know Russ I’m kind of in agreement with you with most of what you say . I see no inherent value though in silver using his bias when making his predictions because his ability to correctly predict things is what makes him successful and wealthy and why he gets lots of good press and good notices. Yes Hillary is unlikable but Trump is more unlikable At best it’s kind of an even push on that matter You are correct though in saying that Trump is head of a movement but nobody is quite sure what that movement means It’s certainly not a conservative movement It’s certainly not a Republican movement His opposition to the war in Iraq is a profound rebuttal of the Bush administration and his opposition to NAFTA And the TPP are contrary to most of the members of the Republican Party in the house and senate. NAFTA of course was a bush 1 proposal that Clinton signed onto and finished off The TPP was widely supported by both Republicans and Democrats and Obama
    One of the things that has taken some support away from Hillary was Gary Johnson but he seems to be missing in action and has this problem of having a brain fart whenever and somebody asked him specific questions. I predict he will start losing support because he’s really turned out to be a dud in this campaign A good percentage of that support me go back to Hillary where it came from to begin with Too bad I’m a libertarian party supporter but it doesn’t look very good for old Gary Also there is no Ralph Nader in the election this time to further dilute the Democrats so you have a movement with a very flawed candidate who’s absolutely not cool in anyway when under pressure and is unable to take the best advice from his handlers We should know by the middle of next week what kind of violence Hillary will get Doodoo trumps terrible performance in the debate Stay tuned.

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25. 

    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    Should have read will know next week what kind of bounce Hillary will be getting from trumps terrible debate performance Waste recognition has lots of flaws and it’s hard to edit this stuff Nice chatting with you Russ

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26. 

    Paul Emery

    29 September 2016

    Also Russ I know nothing about silvers connection with Al gore he wasn’t even involved in politics at the time did his movie can you steer me in some direction that might verify your opinion

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27. 

    Bregory

    30 September 2016

    Usc poll just out… bump for Trump a’gin… plus 5.6% over Clinton.

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28. 

    BradC

    30 September 2016

    Re: tax returns
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BK2UIFFgDF7/

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29. 

    fish

    30 September 2016

    Ya know this is why I’ve already won this election season……Trump wins and they find Hillarys pickled corpse a few weeks later having been denied that one thing that she values above everything else (wonder what Dr. Phil what say about that ehh jeffy?). She wins and we can look forward to a Clinton with even more baggage than her “Pedophile Island” frequent flier miles husband but with virtually none of the goodwill shown towards him by a fellatial Pelline like sycophantic press corps. Given the nature of her corruption I imagine the MSM will fall out of love fairly quickly after she defeats Trump and will probably turn on her in an attempt to salvage a shred more dignity than the back alley $5 blowjob offering whores that they constantly show themselves to be!
    Couple this with a boatload what appear to be “Fat Menopausal Lady” health problems and she’ll need to be a tyrant just to stay out of the entire news cycle!
    Looking forward to the brief but intense reign of Darth Menopause!
    

    State Department attorneys admitted Wednesday that they had lost copies of a 2012 email between Jake Sullivan, a top former aide to Hillary Clinton, and an employee of the Clinton Foundation.
    The email contained an attachment memo about Greek bonds — a significant detail given the heavy investments Clinton’s son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky, was making in the Greek economic recovery during that same period.
    Chelsea Clinton, Mezvinsky’s wife, is a board member at the Clinton Foundation. The fact that one of Clinton’s closest aides shared insider information about the economic climate in Greece with the foundation — just one year after Mezvinsky and fellow Goldman Sachs alum founded a hedge fund that operated primarily by placing bets on international economic trends — raises questions about the many potential conflicts of interest that could have arisen from the Clintons’ web of connections.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-clintons-big-fat-greek-bond-wedding/article/2603174

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    BradC

    30 September 2016

    More news on the wannabe tweeter-in-chief,
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-pleading-the-fifth_us_57ed79dee4b024a52d2de46d?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

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    Paul Emery

    30 September 2016

    Yeah Brad the hypocrisy of this man is beyond belief, Quoting from your link
    “On Wednesday, Trump likened anyone who takes the Fifth to a criminal. “So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?” he said at another rally in Iowa, inflating the number by two. “The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
    In the samr article it was noted how many times he took the 5th in refusing to answer questions about his infidelity during his divorce trial
    “As part of the couple’s divorce proceedings, Ivana Trump’s lawyers asked him under oath about his dealings with other women and whether he had been faithful to his wife.
    Instead of answering, Donald Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination. Over the course of five depositions that summer, he was asked approximately 100 questions related to marital infidelity. He pleaded the Fifth on 97 of them.
    “Donald preaches about his devotion to the Second Amendment, but it was the Fifth Amendment that was his favorite when he was deposed in the divorce with Ivana,” wrote biographer Wayne Barrett in his 1992 book, Trump: The Greatest Show on Earth. A New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement report later verified Barrett’s reporting on those depositions, which are still sealed.
    For Trump, taking the Fifth seemed to work out well. He later bragged that he managed to settle the divorce without giving his first wife a penny more than required by the prenuptial agreement.”

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    Todd Juvinall

    30 September 2016

    Oh my, Paul Emery and Brad C have quite the scoop! Trump uses the Fifth to avoid admitting to adultery! Oh my! Of course that was a real important national security thing to do. Sort of compares to the Hillary staff taking the Fifth last month for the Email server. OK, got it. And these two locals complain about the state of politics and its levels. Amazing.No wonder Emery supports the pothead Johnson.

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33. 

    fish

    30 September 2016

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 30 September 2016 at 09:36 AM
    He later bragged that he managed to settle the divorce without giving his first wife a penny more than required by the prenuptial agreement.”
    ….and there’s a problem with that?

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    Gregory

    30 September 2016

    I thought HC didn’t plead the fifth, she pleaded she’d hit her head and didn’t remember.
    No, there is no moral equivalency between multiple staffers pleading the fifth multiple times to the FBI during a criminal investigation into the handling of some of the most classified information kept by the US, and not talking candidly at an ugly divorce proceeding.
    Also, not paying a penny more than what a prenuptual agreement specified seems to me to be the entire point of a prenup.

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    Gregory

    30 September 2016

    I thought HC didn’t plead the fifth, she pleaded she’d hit her head and didn’t remember.
    No, there is no moral equivalency between multiple staffers pleading the fifth multiple times to the FBI during a criminal investigation into the handling of some of the most classified information kept by the US, and not talking candidly at an ugly divorce proceeding.
    Also, not paying a penny more than what a prenuptual agreement specified seems to me to be the entire point of a prenup.

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    Paul Emery

    30 September 2016

    Probably the pre-nup between the Trumps would be void in cases of infidelity or abuse. If true then Trump took the 5th to avoid further liability. He is the last person who should brag about his marital sanctity

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37. 

    fish

    30 September 2016

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 30 September 2016 at 11:33 AM
    Was the Trump pre-nup voided?

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38. 

    fish

    30 September 2016

    More hypocrisy….progressive style!
    Democrats object to Chick-fil-A voter registration drive
    http://web.tampabay.com/news/politics/democrats-object-to-chick-fil-a-voter-registration-drive/2295668
    Fox Searchlight Launches Voter Registration Drive for ‘Birth of a Nation’ Screenings
    http://variety.com/2016/film/news/birth-nation-fox-searchlight-voter-registration-1201870207/

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    Todd Juvinall

    30 September 2016

    Gotta gove Paul Emery credit as a “journalist”. He just makes it up. Produce his prenup or shut your face. Spreading lies is what you do.

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    fish

    30 September 2016

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 30 September 2016 at 12:04 PM
    Merely speculation on his part Todd. Maybe it was voided and he can produce evidence in support of his claim.

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41. 

    Bill Tozer

    30 September 2016

    Democrat pollster and all around sage Pat Cadell always puts me at ease when I read him.
    http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/09/29/pat-caddell-election-headed-toward-armageddon-establishment-fights-hold-onto-power-privilege-all-costs/
    Get ready for the biggest baddest barrage from the Marxists, the Globalists, Dr. Evil, every international Wall Street guru, the media, Bubba, Miss Universite last century, Barrack, etc, etc, coming down on our Deplorable heads. Incoming. Like nothing seen before in the history of mankind. Did notice print made its move over the last couple of days. USA Today and those kind of fishwrappers. Arizona Republic? Well, it’s print media’s turn to reconcile voting for Hillary with their progressive ideals and agenda. Oh, that will ready change our incorrigible minds, lol
    One debate and the my Leftist comrades finally crawl back out from the primordial ooze. They are all fired up after seeing Hillary give them a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Yep, My Gal got a 4 point bump in Fla, moved the needle in Penn (or was that Michigan?) and is back in NH, the Granite State. Bernie creamed My Gal in the NH primary 61-39, or was it 62-38? The Granite State also had a record number of people vote in the R primary. Notice that Bernie quit the Dem party and now is back to being Senator Sanders (I, VT). Back where he belongs and all is well. Hillary won a debate!! Pop the champagne corks. Life is goooood. Yeah, right.
    Love to see our friends come back from their depression foaming at the mouth and chopping at the bit. They are ready and smell victory! Love to see their spirits soar high because it makes that beautiful thud sound when they fall back to cruel reality at a very rate of speed. If Hillary ever gets a bounce again, it will be a dead cat bounce….

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42. 

    Gregory

    30 September 2016

    Bill Clinton’s lying under oath, a perjury, in a sexual harassment suit (Governor Clinton demanded oral sex from Paula Jones, a state employee) was mischaracterized as “lying about sex” at the time. What Trump seems to have done in a civil (or was it uncivil) divorce proceeding is to refuse to lie about sex by shutting up.
    Which is the better path?
    Bill the sexual predator chose to lie about getting Lewinskies from a subordinate in the White House during a sexual harassment case about demanding a Lewinsky from a Jones who didn’t want her boss’ boss’ boss’ Arkansauce as a condiment at the end of a long work day. Bill could have chosen to shut up, but chose to lie instead because he didn’t want to intimate that he had been getting Lewinskies in the White House.
    By not lying, Trump in essence said “I won’t deny screwing around. Next question.”.
    Regarding Paul’s out of thin air guess that the prenup was voided in the case of infidelity, I’m going to guess that wife #1 had already proven that well known secret and if that was all that was between Wife One and even more riches, I suspect her lawyer would have had that sewn up before going to court.

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43. 

    fish

    30 September 2016

    This will buoy your spirits Paul……
    http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Clinton-Sanders-campaign-together-to-draw-9392859.php
    Wow Ol Bernie couldn’t snap to attention any quicker to support a woman who embodies every single negative thing that he railed against during his campaign. It’s like I said to poor soft headed Ol Ben during some discussion long past…..they really used to make socialists of sterner stuff…..Sanders folded like a cheap suit! 😉

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44. 

    Bill Tozer

    30 September 2016

    Good news Gregory. Detroit News endorsed Gary Johnson.
    Media tickled pink. People waiting in line to see Hillary. Buses arrived. The whole Dem delegation and state lawmakers are there. She is catching fire! No news on the crowd size, excluding a few Deplorables chanting “Lock Her Up” awaiting her arrival.
    No mention of crowd size? Odd. The newly remodeled intimate Sunshine Theather in Fort Piece, Fla seats 1,200 according to their website. Hillary spoke for 25 minutes and almost made it through that grueling 25 minutes without coughing. Almost. Then she had to steady herself before descending 4 stairs. Wow. I am impressed.

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    Todd Juvinall

    30 September 2016

    We should hold this up as the gold standard for debates.
    http://sierradragonsbreathe.blogspot.com/2016/09/abraham-lincolns-speech-on-slavery-from.html

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    Gregory

    30 September 2016

    Gary Johnson again got gotcha’d on MSNBC, Chris Matthews demanding to know the name of a foreign leader who he admired. He couldn’t cough up a name a couple days ago.
    In a great comeback the next day, he stated after thinking for a day he still couldn’t name a foreign leader that he admired. I thought for awhile and came up with Winston Churchill and Golda Meir, both made more venerable by being dead for decades. In reality, both had their warts.
    Favorite Churchill quote (off the top of my head and by memory): Never has so much, been owed by so many, to so few (thanking the mostly British pilots of the Battle of Britain after repelling the Luftwaffe).
    Favorite Meir utterance… Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

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    Bill Tozer

    30 September 2016

    That’s my favorite Meir quote as well. She had a some good ones.
    My favorite Hillary quote so far is “Why aren’t I 50 points ahead you may ask?” No need to ask.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/new-trump-ad-clinton-quotes

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    Gregory

    30 September 2016

    Just for hysterical reference… perhaps the greatest short speech ever made by a foreign leader, Churchill in 1940
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0t-RqjMH-A
    Some quotes:
    I am easily satisfied with the very best.
    Lady Nancy Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I’d poison your tea. Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I’d drink it.
    I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
    Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
    Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never – in nothing, great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense
    If this is a blessing, it is certainly very well disguised.
    Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.
    A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
    We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out.
    There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true.
    You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.
    Mr. Attlee is a very modest man. Indeed he has a lot to be modest about.
    History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
    The price of greatness is responsibility.

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49. 

    fish

    30 September 2016

    Speaking of Old School Socialists…….
    

    “I first grasped what Stalinist life was like during a course I took with Wolfgang Leonhard, the child of German communists who was brought up in the ussr, defected to Yugoslavia, and wound up teaching Russian history at Yale. His autobiography, Child of the Revolution, tells a story, set during the Great Purges, about some families in a communal apartment who are awakened at 4 a.m. (the usual time for arrests) by a peremptory banging at the door. Finally one old man, with less life left to lose, answers, disappears into the corridor, and at last returns. “Comrades, relax!” he explains. “The house is on fire!”

    http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/The-house-is-on-fire–8466
    When it came to communicating political realities they really knew how to “break some eggs”!

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50. 

    George Rebane

    30 September 2016

    Forgotten member of Parliament, ‘Sir, may you either hang or die of a dreaded disease!’
    Churchill, ‘That sir, depends on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.’

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