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George Rebane

The AGW hysteria has become very hard to maintain in circles that still participate in scientific debate and within the public forum that follows such debate.  The hysteria is unaffected by such debate within the community of grant-funded scientists and their political sponsors (wherein the 'debate is over'), and of course their double dummy lemmings (aka constituents) who swallow it all lock, stock, and barrel.

In yesterdayโ€™s (28jun16) WSJ, editorial board member Holman Jenkins Jr writes an incisive summary of the current state of the AGW fraud โ€“ โ€˜Climate Denial Finally Pays Offโ€™ – and how AGW's entanglement of lies, innuendos, and just plain errors are causing it to finally begin unraveling among the community of nations.  Substituting dodgy computer modeling for non-existent science to argue catastrophic man-made global warming, prompts even the UNโ€™s IPCC to ask, โ€œAre climate models getting any better, and how would we know?โ€ (report here)

Meanwhile, it continues evident, as in these pages, many other online outlets, and the lamestream, that AGWโ€™s true believers are beyond all reason, much as their forebears were during the Renaissance when settled (i.e. consensus) science taught that the world was flat and at the center of the universe.  Then men risked their livelihoods and lives to disabuse Man of such nonsense.  Today the situation is little changed save for the newly fashioned sacred cow.

Were true believers to possess adequate intellectual capacity, they themselves would ask why politically steered climate science is the only such endeavor in which additional study fails to reduce retrodiction (estimating the past) and prediction errors, but actually finds them increasing under more open inquiry.  Such 'progress' doesnโ€™t happened in real scientific endeavors โ€“ honest theories start with larger error bounds that then get reduced as the theories are refined and experiments conducted within open scientific scrutiny and debate.

Switching gears to a SCOTUS that promises to get scarier by the case, I ran into the prevailing opinion in their 4apr16 Voting Rights 8-0 ruling.  There the court โ€œin Evenwel v. Abbott lets states continue to apportion legislative seats according to total population rather than limiting representation to citizens or voters.โ€  Writing for the court, Justice Ginsburg opined, โ€œRepresentatives serve all residents, not just those eligible or registered to vote.โ€  (more here)

This is most strange since members of Congress, elected by our franchised citizenry, are emplaced to โ€œserveโ€ that citizenry and its broader interests.  Our federal government 'serves' non-citizen residents, especially our illegal aliens, through its various bureaus including ICE and Border Patrol which operate under laws made by Congress.  Bringing in the notion of their also โ€˜representingโ€™ the countervailing interests of resident non-citizens is a perversion of the Constitution.  What I found most remarkable was that the four so-called conservative justices went along with this argument that allows our โ€˜living Constitutionโ€™ Left to gerrymander their liberal population centers into additional districts for Democrats.  Or as Micklethwaite (q.v.) points out, these gerrymandered districts are Americaโ€™s answer to Great Britainโ€™s rotten boroughs of the 18th and 19th centuries, and function similarly to keep their rotten incumbents in office.

[1jul16 update]  โ€œThe disunited state of Americaโ€ is described by author Todd Buchholz in his just published The Price of Prosperity where the case is made that โ€œnations are just as likely to unravel after periods of prosperity as after periods of depressionโ€ for all the reasons RR readers have debated in these pages over the years.  Buchholz reports on the โ€œentropic forcesโ€ that are tearing America apart โ€“ falling birthrates, globalized trade, rising debt, an eroding work ethic, and "the challenge of patriotism in a multicultural country."  WSJโ€™s former editor George Melloan writes a succinct summary (here) of Bucholzโ€™s essay that prescribes the re-establishment of patriotism and a common culture in our schools and immigrants as the antidote for halting progress toward what we also know as the Great Divide.

The message will have a hard row to hoe with our globalist progressives and their millions of low-information minions.  These people remain blind to the blatantly obvious stirrings of a divided America.  And when they do encounter fellow countrymen who sense, suffer, and report on the countryโ€™s divisions and Leviathanโ€™s growing overreach, they respond with a politically hyper-correct defense right out of the manuals of the brown shirts and Red Guards of yore โ€“ you are a disloyal person ignorant of the blessings which government bestows on the people, you are an enemy of democracy and your voice should be silenced.  And today much work is being done both publicly and behind the scenes to enable and enhance such silencing which these elite cadres look forward to implementing within our corrupt judicial system using the full powers of the nationโ€™s constabulary.

The country has become so disjoint that the socialists in charge are even alienating their more devout leftwing compatriots who now view them as the globalist enemies of the American worker.  It is already hard to count the number of splintered minorities that today make up the visibly disunited state of America.

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65 responses to “Scattershots – 29jun16 (updated 1jul16)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Are you implying that the Democrats are the only party that engages in gerrymandering?
    .
    ” Finally, what if the Red Party controls the state government? The Reds know they’re at a numeric disadvantage. But with some creative boundary drawing — the type you see in grid 3, “neither compact nor fair” — they can slice the Blue population up such that they only get a majority in two districts. So despite making up 40 percent of the population, the Reds win 60 percent of the seats. Not bad!
    In the real world, this is similar to what we see in Pennsylvania. In 2012, Democrats won 51 percent of the popular House vote. But the only won 5 out of 18 House seats — fewer than one third. This was because when Pennsylvania Republicans redrew the state’s Congressional districts, they made highly irregular districts that look like the one below, PA-7, one of the most geographically irregular districts in the nation.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/01/this-is-the-best-explanation-of-gerrym

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  2. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    Exactly Paul. I also give you North Carolina- ground zero for gerrymandering. It would normally be a tilting blue state due to demographic changes in the last 30 years, but the GOP holds on, barely, thru this tool of right wing gerrymandering.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/opinion/racial-gerrymandering-in-north-carolina.html
    This year, the tide appears to be turning in this important and growing swing state. Should have a Dem governor, and small chance of a Dem Senator and pickups in their House races.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Interesting that both Messrs Emery and Dozer missed the critical point of my post on modern gerrymandering – the kind that includes all residents, legal and illegal.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Gerrymandering is gerrymandering. Are you implying you support the Repubs in cases such as cited above?

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  5. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    OK George, do understand the point of legislative representation of non-citizens under your definition of gerrymandering. Speaking of Interesting, very interesting that you would question the legal knowledge of your remaining pillars of conservative jurisprudence, Alito and Thomas. Perhaps they had a moment of intellectual honesty and simply couldn’t find the mention of a legislator representing Citizens Only in the Constitution.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I think Emery and Dozer just don’t understand what GeorgeR wrote about gerrymandering. Remember the I-95 to get a black for Congress? Now there was some serious GM. But the point is all residents. LA has a city with some estimate 30-40 percent illegals. Yet each district, state local, Federal are apportioned with a total population. Ginsberg and the other libs think that is just fine. So a representative get to have both illegal and legal people making the districts equal. 750,000 per Congressional I believe. Did I get that right?

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon Dozer | 29 June 2016 at 05:12 PM
    I wonder if Steve has smaller, less meaty fists than jeffy? Dare I say that jeffy would be incapable of formulating a sentence like that.

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  8. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    Todd, I kindly refer you to my 5:12. And correction needed on your post;
    LA does not have 30-40% illegals. That would be over 1.5 million illegals on your high end. Not possible.
    Thanks.

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  9. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Please stop expecting miracles, George.
    Paul is the master of ‘they do it too’.
    Somewhere past the age of ten, Paul, humans are expected to mature emotionally and intellectually out of that. I do hope you realize you can rationalize every single evil act in the world with that bit of comedy.
    As far as the jonnie boy – good luck. He’s a troll. ’nuff said.
    Funny that neither leftie had anything to say about California’s latest gerrymandering.
    As far as your main point – I’m afraid you’re pissing in the wind. They’re here. How and why mean absolutely nothing. I’m really surprised some small pueblo in Mexico hasn’t sued in Fed Court for standing as being left out of FEMA largesse or some other kind of US govt handout. After all, most of the town’s citizens have gotten all sorts of stuff from Uncle Sam. Just because they’re stuck back at the farm due to their fear of ‘right wing’ militias in the US apprehending them at the border, why shouldn’t they cash in as well? And hey! Darn it! Where’s our voting ballots from California just like our relatives got in the mail? Get with it, man – borders mean nothing. Uh – at least if you’re talking about our country. Other countries have their own cultural norms we are to respect. Just mentioning the word ‘illegal’ is probably going to get you in trouble with the local fed atty. Watch it. It does make the illegals ‘uncomfortable’ and that is a modern day no-no.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Dozer, OK, state your source and give us the link. I think I am correct.
    A apology from you will be expected forthwith.

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  11. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Gerrymandering is gerrymandering.”
    How long did it take you to formulate that brilliant bit of logic, Paul? One toke? Ten?
    We can play this game all day long. Care to explain the latest districts in CA, Paul? When have you gone on record as opposing the left’s gerrymandering of your own state?

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    From the Los Angeles Almanac
    “Unauthorized Immigrants* in California and Los Angeles County
    According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2011

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon Dozer | 29 June 2016 at 05:26 PM
    Steve and jeffy aren’t holding hands while they operate dozer puppet are they?
    Thanks.

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  14. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    Scott, good god man @5:38, how bout chilling out there. Why the need to attack Paul Emery? My god, we all thought you’d lose those tight undies once you crossed into God’s Country. I have friends in Boise- very progressive sections and tons of yoga studios. I can get you a reference for one, just need to ask.

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  15. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    Todd, 60% of the illegal residents in CA don’t reside in LA. Sorry.

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  16. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    “Switching gears to a SCOTUS that promises to get scarier by the case”
    Even scarier with a full blown progressive come January 2017…that’s all on the GOP.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon Dozer | 29 June 2016 at 06:53 PM
    Even scarier with a full blown progressive come January 2017…that’s all on the GOP.

    hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha!
    From Politico

    November Surprise
    Many consumers will see large rate increases for the first time Nov. 1 โ€” a week before they go to the polls.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott, Todd, George
    I’m opposed to all Gerymandering and yes that includes California. That’s how Nevada County ended up being tossed into a Republican Congressional district and it was done by the Democrats. So I take it you are opposed to the Gerrymandering that the Repubs pulled off in NC as noted in my 4:38.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Jon Dozer | 29 June 2016 at 06:52 PM
    OK what is your source/link? I gave mine from LA.

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  20. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “My god, we all thought you’d lose those tight undies once you crossed into God’s Country.”
    Uh – who’s ‘we’?
    Starts to get a little strange when the left fixates on underwear.
    From dear old Paul – “I’m opposed to all Gerymandering and yes that includes California.”
    Ah, yes – but we notice you didn’t answer the question.
    Since you are ‘opposed’ to ‘all’ gerrymandering, why is it we never hear about that until now? California has been slit up big time to help the Dems, Paul.
    There are only so many ways to do it. The left has to ‘give’ the Rs a district or 2 somewhere. Nevada County was just one way to do it. State-wide, NC is small potatoes. Why don’t we look at the bigger districts, hmmm? And some rather strange border lines that crawl all over the place.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I would like gerrymandering to allow republicans some votes in the legislature and Congress. But as we see the demoncrats have skewed it pretty good. Proportionate representation is non-existent in our state.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    On the subject of GM,, Forget the redistricting of Ca.? Recall the “citizen” panels that were to draw them up? The LIBS made damned sure they had control of the sharpy.
    Plenty of control. Right down to the Right having little or no input.
    I applied for one of those slots. Almost gained entry. Then got the letter of “we have all we need from the Repubs.”

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott
    To the best of my knowledge this topic has never been discussed before.
    So do you support the Gerrymandering the Pubbers did in NC?

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  24. Walt Avatar

    Really paul? It must have been that good a job when NC is LIBville.

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  25. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    Walt,
    Can I explain something?…NC is actually a STATE. On the East Coast, North of South Carolina, South of Virginia. You can look up the rest.
    Thanks…
    (edupacation is a good thing)

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  26. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    So – now Paul is claiming he can’t post about how exercised he is about those darn Dems gerrymandering California until someone else brings up the topic first.
    Right.
    And – once the topic is brought up, he only complains about the Rs doing it.
    Then he tries to cover his ass with the most pathetic lame excuse.
    Paul – it’s your MO. You have done this so many times.
    You excuse the left or the Dems doing something wrong by saying: ‘well – the Rs do it or Bush did it or some one else did it 50 years ago’.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Stick to porn on that PC “jon”.
    NC also stands for Nevada City numbnuts. We never know where paul my be taking about.
    LIBS are full of dirty tricks. Like rescinding the law that kept felons from voting.
    Funny how lawbreakers are constituents of the Left.

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  28. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    Guy Scott you don’t even understand that I am actually agreeing with you.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That’s Gosh Scott you don’t understand that I am actually agreeing with you.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    My position on gerrymandering in general has been made clear on these pages for years. And yes, the illegals are here, but that in no way implies that they are to be counted for congressional representation along with American citizens. The lame point that โ€œintellectual honestyโ€ caused the justices to find in the Constitution that Congress represented all residents is beyond the pale, as is the reciprocal claim that the Constitution contains the explicit restriction that Congress represents only citizens. Those are cheap red herrings introduced for lack of a defendable position on the matter.
    On points on which the Constitution is silent/moot, then according to my lights it should be interpreted restrictively in the spirit it was written. For students missing US history, the Foundersโ€™ seminal principle in crafting a constitution for this democratic republic was that it should always be interpreted to constrain the federal governmentโ€™s powers. And yes indeed, RR is not a rubber stamp for SCOTUS, or its so-called conservative justices, or even Republicans. I have before, will do again, and am now disagreeing with the courtโ€™s 4apr16 ruling on the reasonable basis outlined above. Live with it.

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  31. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Evenwel v. Abbott was all about politics/gerrymandering by Pubbys. Illegals cannot vote – so, nothing to fear there. The inlusion of illegals in population figures can result in House representatives being ‘gerrymandered’ to illegal-heavy districts. So what? That is the status quo, and the Supremes reconfirmed that concept.
    If the Pubbys wanted to change things, they should concentrate on immigration reform and do ‘something’ that would attract foreign nationals into their ‘tent’ (might need to trade that extreme right wing 4-season survival pup tent in for a big Burning Man surplus parachute party tent, or a Coleman family tent). It is going to be kind of hard with a guy like Trump as the front man.
    The other side of the ‘illegals in your neighborhood’ coin is that the bigger a district’s population (illegal, or otherwise), the bigger piece of the Federal pork barrel they get. So, there is a ‘plus’ to having illegals in the ‘hood.
    When an 8-0 vote, including 4-0 vote by ‘conservative’ justices seems too left-wing liberal, you might want to see if you are standing next to the extreme right field fence – everything can start to look like left-field from there.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, regarding Evenwel, the SCOTUS deferred to the states… and even going back to the oft-misinterpreted 3/5 rule for slaves (slavers wanted slaves counted as one, Abolitionists wanted zero), it was expected that Congress would be making decisions affecting people who cannot vote or be citizens. I personally think Evenwel would have been more just had it gone the other way but the conservatives on the court thought the letter of the law didn’t agree. The states have the power to decide and the court decided against stepping on that power.
    Regarding the WSJ op-ed on CO2 sensitivity, it’s unusual to see a non-physicist to get it spot on correct. Let me reproduce the money paragraph:

    Hereโ€™s what you also wonโ€™t learn from most climate reporting: Climate models that predict significant warming presume natural feedbacks that magnify the impact of human-released carbon dioxide by 100% to 400%. Models that presume no dominant feedbacks see warming of only about one degree Celsius over the entire course of a doubling of atmospheric CO2. Who knows what future scientific advances will reveal, but models that assume minimal feedback are more consistent with the warming seen so farโ€”and remember, weโ€™ve been burning coal for 200 years and accumulating temperature records for longer than that.

    To put some numbers to that, CO2 by itself does provide about one degC (closer to 1.2C) of warming, and it’s fairly well established that as long as the overall (perturbation plus response) sensitivity is 2.0degC or less, no runaway warming can be expected in exactly the same way that a public address system won’t squeal horribly as long as the volume isn’t turned up past a certain point. Well, some of the best evidence is that overall sensitivity is pretty damn close to that 1.2C, meaning the positive feedbacks assumed from the application of the theory the whole AGW scare in the first place DON’T EXIST.
    And, because of the logarithmic progression of that 1.2C sensitivity… the next 100ppm CO2 will have less effect than the first 100ppm increase. We won’t get the first 1.2C until we get all the way to 600ppm (we started at about 300ppm and are now in the vicinity of 400ppm), and the next 1.2C would be in place if we actually get to 1200ppm, and I’ll make a wild guess that it would be impossible for humanity to extract enough fossil fuels to get there.
    In a way, the lack of positive feedbacks in the climate system may be a shame because that theory was seen, in the ’70’s, to be a possible geoengineering path out of the ice age that was the scare du jour, and a real ice age (not just a miserable Maunderish Little Ice Age) will eventually be in our future. A real Little Ice Age may well be in our immediate future and I’d say it couldn’t come soon enough but it will kill millions if not billions of people, so I’ll refrain from wishing oblivion upon that many people.
    A failure of winter crops would make it difficult to feed all the mouths we have, and a failure of the summer crops will bring hunger even to wealthy countries.

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  33. George Rebane Avatar

    BradC 744am – Mr Croul, yours is the latest attempt by frustrated liberals on these pages to put my most revealed ideology and belief system into one of the two or three buckets that your background has provided you (and your fellow travelers). There is little I can say in response to anyone who always simplistically stereotypes a person based on his misunderstanding of their most recent communication.
    Opposing the reconfirmation of one egregious and specific status quo about gerrymandering, or anything else for that matter, does not reveal enough information about a person to affix on him any political label. In your case, I would challenge you to provide a cogent definition of an “extreme” right-winger that would give third parties a reliable discriminant to separate out ‘extreme right-wingers’ from everyone else. And then you could make yourself look even more ridiculous by attempting to cite material from 10 years of RR and my credo that conform to your discriminant.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 902am – While all you say is correct, I continue concerned about the non-impact that our citing science and reason has on cynical/calcified collectivists bent on reshaping global society. I’ve had this discussion for years with our fellow skeptics practicing a similar approach – Russ Steele and Anthony Watts come to mind – and none of us can improve on the futile approach to which we all seem to revert. Without effect, reason washes off the un- and pre-reasonable. Perhaps the best we can hope for with such arguments is the slow accretion of the reasonable undecideds into the ranks of the skeptics.

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Perhaps the best we can hope for with such arguments is the slow accretion of the reasonable undecideds into the ranks of the skeptics.”
    -GR
    Of course!
    My go-to quote on that is distinctly 19th Century:
    “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
    Charles Mackay
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds
    Some who are convinced of the doom of the planet to the point of insanity won’t believe the scientific realities until glaciers are poised to scrape Toronto off the planet (maybe 1000 years away, maybe 10,000, maybe 100), but I think a stunningly cold winter and breaking the dike holding ‘skeptical’ scientists away from the nightly news, including NPR and PBS, will eventually have all the late night comics getting laughs at the expense of the Michael Manns and Gavin Schmidts of the world, not to mention virtually the entire Democratic Party leadership.
    Eating is a powerful motivation, and what is paying for Sacramento’s daily beans and tortillas at the moment is AB32, the Global Warming Solutions Act. They will be protecting that rice pot with everything they’ve got.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Another thought….Coal and oil fans may rejoice in the thought that when a cooling starts, the chicken littles will quickly demand a ramping up of fossil fuel extraction… burn, baby, burn, in a misguided attempt at stemming the cold. It will help, just not that much. Mother Nature has the volume knobs for temperature and the biggest one is the Sun, both for the primary driver (sunlight) and secondary drivers (the magnetosphere and solar wind) that modulate the galactic cosmic rays which significantly drive the creation of cloud condensation nuclei. Clouds control how much sunlight gets bounced back into space without warming land or oceans.
    I can think of a handful of scientists (mostly physicists) who I think deserve Nobels… the real science Nobels decided by the Sweden’s Academy, not the Peace Prize handed out by Norwegian politicians… who have been doing the most interesting and most ignored research on climate drivers. A physics Nobel going to a flaming skeptic will go a long way towards making Climate Alarmism so 20th century.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    In the foreseeable future, IMHO we have
    Pr(Nobel to skeptical physicist) << Pr(snowball’s chance in hell)

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  38. Russ Steele Avatar

    According to NASAโ€™s Spaceweather.com:
    Sunspot number: 0
    Updated 30 Jun 2016
    Spotless Days
    Current Stretch: 7 days
    2016 total: 11 days (6%)
    2015 total: 0 days (0%)
    2014 total: 1 day (<1%)
    2013 total: 0 days (0%)
    2012 total: 0 days (0%)
    2011 total: 2 days (<1%)
    2010 total: 51 days (14%)
    2009 total: 260 days (71%)
    The last time sunspots vanished for a whole week was in Dec. 2010โ€“a time when the sun was bouncing back from a long Solar Minimum. In this case, the 7-week interregnum is a sign that a new Solar Minimum is coming.
    The sunspot cycle is like a pendulum, swinging back and forth every 11-years or so between times of high and low sunspot number. The next low is expected in 2019-2020. Between now and then sunspots will become increasingly rare with stretches of days, then weeks, then months of โ€œbilliard-ball suns.โ€
    More on the threat of a Little Ice Age can be found here: https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Russ, a watch on spotless day statistics is a bloody waste of time as it happens on average every 11 years, a little bit longer in during solar maximums (such as most of the 20th century), longer if during a time of solar minimums. Yes, we’re approaching the end of Cycle 24. Big whoopie. Cycle 25 being weak compared to the very weak 24, then we’ll have something real to natter about but at the moment, all we have are prognostications. The experiment is running and only Mother Nature can make it run faster. She won’t.
    George, the Swedish Academy is still run by real scientists and they have an ornery streak. They can change their minds on a dime. The Nobel is a real possibility sooner, not later.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Damn, my brain was switching between periods and frequency, and my fingers were lagging behind. One of the sentences should have read
    “a little bit more often during solar maximums (such as most of the 20th century), less often if during a time of solar minimums”
    Here’s a fine figure showing this… hot or cold, regular excursions towards zero sunspots are expected.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I have to say Trump nails it when talks about Clinton and the TPP
    “Hereโ€™s how it would go: she would make a small token change, declare the pact fixed, and ram it through. Thatโ€™s why Hillary is now only saying she has problems with the TPP โ€˜in its current form,โ€™ โ€“ ensuring that she can rush to embrace it again at her earliest opportunity.”
    However he blew any possible support from Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce lobby types when he vowed to pull out of NAFTA.
    As you recall the TPP was the one item Obama and the Republican had no problem marching arm and arm with. It shows where the real power is.
    Net gain ? Clinton scores because she will get all the big bucks. The shock and awe from her bulging bank account will be a sight to see.
    Glad I don’t have to choose between them. Lesser of two evils won’t work for me this time. The evil quota is off the charts with both candidates.

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hi Paul. Nailing Hillary won’t mean a thing in reality. Why?
    Answer: Read Dr. Rebane’s 9:48. I reached the same conclusion as Dr. Rebane. We can talk until we are blue in the face (pun intended or not, don’t mean a thing). Charts, graphs, data, links, facts….it just don’t mean a thing. Time to quit wasting our time with perfectly crafted agruments and rebuttals. Never changes nothing….nothing to see here.
    Off topic: Gregory, helpful hint!! Stevie’s boy toy is an actual person. There is His Excellencyass and then there is Stevie’s boy toy, the monkey on the organ grinder’s shoulder. Over time, one of the big three sock puppets has faded Away. Long time no come see. . At least Dozer saw the conflict he created with two jon smiths posting here (one good, one not so good). When Dozer saw that merely adding a couple of uppercase letters to the name, Jon Smith was still creating some confusion so Mr. Dozer appeared. Welcome Mr. Dozer and thanks for straightening things out. Goodbye Jon Smith, formerly jon smith the first.
    See, I give credit where credit is due, no matter your race, creed, or religion.
    Finally, Mr. Dozer, after I blew my top, I need to set the story straight. I should have said “toss back a few drinks, corn hole the living day lights out of you, then drag your sorry over to Ambassador’s Chris Stevens local gravesite and corn hole you again half to death. A little reenactment of what happened to a good loyal Democrat card carrying member of Team Hillary. Then you can do your happy dance on an American’s grave because Hillary, like you, put political expediency first. Just a little collateral damage in Clinton land, right? Nothing to see here.
    PS: never tell this Injun to go eat grass. That is when all the talking is done.
    Sorry Paul that you had to see this.
    Later.

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  43. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    Tozer, you’re quite the sick little man.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    Yet still bigger than you.

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  45. Jon Dozer Avatar
    Jon Dozer

    ooh, Walt. That hurts…

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  46. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The ‘jon’ should be used to that. Was that the ‘jons’ musluim brotherhood buddy? ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  47. John Avatar
    John

    “Jon”/Pelline/Gloria Zane/Annie/Windy @7:16. You of the multiple female alter egos are actually calling someone a “sick little man”? OMG, that is funny! Twisted Sister you are “Jon”. Tozer just does a good job of pointing it out! LOL! The Real John.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Mass shooting stopped by a CCW civilian in South Carolina nightclub.
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/concealed-carrier-stops-mass-shooting/
    Yo “jon”, where is your link on illegal numbers in LA? Chicken can’t produce eh?

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  49. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    7:16 pm
    No argument here! I be a sicko. I am more man than you will ever be and more woman than you will ever get. Top that.
    You should get one of these. They come in all colors and styles and sizes.
    https://teechip.com/schultz#id=0&c=0E1F3F&sid=fruit-of-the-loom-cotton-t&s=front
    ๐ŸŽฏ

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