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Sandbox – 27jun16

27 June 2016

[The Brexit discussions have their own posts, but we can't just let the election be confined to a sandbox that is already overfilled. Here is fresh sand. gjr]

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233 responses to “Sandbox – 27jun16”

Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Oh Fish, pay no attention to man behind the curtain.
https://patriotpost.us/posts/43457

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Wouldn’t relocate to Idaho if someone paid me. Too far from the coast.

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Tozer, is there a reason you’re trying to get Scott all depressed about immigration patterns in Idaho? The guy is happy there, living life good, and you go and spoil Dreamland..

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Gregory

28 June 2016

Don’t worry, Jeff, there are plenty of infectious TB cases to go around in coastal California. Maybe they’re clearing tables at a fine restaurant your “magazine” has already raved about.

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

10:27 am
They would not take you in.anyway. Not enough Idaho potatoes in the entire state to fed your chili fries addiction.
Pay no attention to the man behind the world’s largest curtain.

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 10:27 AM
Yet another reason that Idaho is a popular destination for California expats.

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Gregory

28 June 2016

For those of you wishing to maximize your TB exposure, here’s a map
http://www.sfhip.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Indicator&file=map&iid=27117227
The County of ‘Frisco is up there at 13.6 cases per 100,000.

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Gregory @ 10:49am. Now it wants Frisco Values here? Harsh. What about our millennials? Who is here to stand up and protect them?
Pay no attention to the mind behind the curtain. All he has to offer is pulp and THC.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DUCZXn9RZ9s

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George Rebane

28 June 2016

For those wishing to moveon.org to more relevant issues, it seems they should also cease fabricating Trump’s pre-candidacy personal and business histories. But of course, that is too much to ask of the Asymmetrical Left.
And did everyone note who physically attacked whom at the state capitol yesterday to prevent them from exercising their First Amendment rights? No fair peeking at the answer.

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: George Rebane | 28 June 2016 at 11:05 AM
Yep. Looks like the ethnic socialists defeated the Traditional Workers Party B-Team in a little pre-season action.

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Not peeking, but some counter demonstrators got some steel up their gullets.. Stupid demonstrators (the skinheads) going against 10-1. Stupid skinheads, probably knifed more of them than they received, but it does show you YT’s in a bad light. Ok, I won’t paint you all with a broad brush just because of Rusty Zipper.
CNN announces committee report clears Hillary. Probably didn’t have time to read the report before announcing its contents. Business as usual.
http://www.newsweek.com/benghazi-report-republicans-hillary-clinton-trey-gowdy-cia-state-department-475424?rx=us
Yes, we did learn something. It was Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi’s (commonly known as Colonel Gaddafi) militia that finally saved our boys in Benghazi. Hillary owes him one….opps, too late..
But, but, but…..my friggin One and Only question has not been answered and most likely never will be. The answer is locked up tighter than Obama’s collegiate records.
The QUESTION: where exactly was Obama during the whole attack on our consulate?? Anybody have even a clue or hint?
Ok, Fish, I apologize for the upper case word. I will try harder. Smiley face, hehehehe.
Pay no attention to the rancid oder issuing forth from behind the curtail. Perhaps more plastic sheeting and Gorilla Tape is in order…..to put it kindly.

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

George R, yes, I did see the White Supremicist Trump Supporters being challenged and violently stabbing those folks calling them out for their blatant racism. Trump should be proud. After he returns home to Mar-a-Lago come November, he can invite them over for tea and crumpets.

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

“For those wishing to moveon.org to more relevant issues, it seems they should also cease fabricating Trump’s pre-candidacy personal and business histories.”
Ah, no, I think they will continue to show the reality and fabricated persona of the orange-haired fraud. Good for Move-on.

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Todd Juvinall

28 June 2016

Those people stabbed were the white guys attacked by your commies “jon”. Get your facts right you troll.

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 11:54 AM
How do you know they’re Trump supporters? You should Dig Deeper™!

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fish

28 June 2016

Yeah…those crazy “White Supremacists” looks like they’re causing more trouble in Istanbul today too. Is there nothing they won’t do?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3664710/Two-explosions-gunfire-Istanbul-s-Ataturk-airport-cause-multiple-injuries.html
I’m guessing that they won’t be “leaving as good friends” either!
INSERT OBLIGATORY SMILEY FACE EMOTICON

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Mr. Juvinal @ 12:08 pm.
Oh, nice try indeed. Wasn’t it a registered Democrat that just shot up 102 millennials, fatally wounding 49 of them? Yep, nice try Rusty. Keep grasping at straws and for goodness sakes crack open a window and let the flies out.
It’s not quite Move-On, but close enough.
Funny quote of the day:
“I am convinced that as the consequences of Brexit unfold in the weeks and months ahead, more and more people will join us”
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/george-soros-eu-break-inevitable-after-brexit-vote-1567464
Georgie Porgie Soros, puddin’ and pie……when the boys came out to play, Georgie Soros ran away.
Oh Georgie, Georgie, Georgie Porgie, better add some good ole American petroleum jelly to your owie after just getting a Royal Reaming from Her Majesty’s subjects. I feel your pain, not! Rather unpleasant having your entire worldview built upon quicksand and other nation’s money.
The German Superstate will rise again. Heil Soros!
Pay no attention to the man behind behind the curtail.

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Coal has such a bright future…:) NOT
Not too many choices remain for a west coast port!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/oakland-coal-transport-ban.html

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Fish @ 12:37. Golly Fish, Dozer’s Turkman friend has been quite busy lately. Guess he is taking that old angry white man vote thang rather….bitterly. Gives fezs a bad name.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/868193483314690/?type=3&theater

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 28 June 2016 at 12:48 PM
Impossible to give the “Fez” a bad name William…..all those Shriners can’t be wrong!

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 12:46 PM
Coal has such a bright future…:) NOT
Not too many choices remain for a west coast port!
Yeah….Big Train too!
“When the Spanish construction company Ferrovial submitted its winning bid for a 22-mile segment, the proposal included a clear and inconvenient warning: ‘More than likely, the California high speed rail will require large government subsidies for years to come.’”
http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/28/the-political-class-knew-california-high

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

12:46pm
Man, now he is so flustered his mangina can’t even pick the dime I glued to the table and left as a tip. Keep trying Rusty, you can do it. Try not to break the pole again as you entertain us with your next dance.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Oh my. Those silly Ruskies sure are playing with that reset button. What a bunch of pranksters. How immature. My Gal just wanted them to be friends. Geeze, crapping on our embassies’ carpet? Rearranging their furniture? Well, at least no guns were used.
Yo Obama, nature abhors a vacumn. What are you going to do? Send Kerry?! ROFLMFUEO . Some people just can’t get no respect.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/28/russian-harassment-us-diplomats-reportedly-includes-break-ins-dog-killing.html?intcmp=hplnws

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Russ Steele

28 June 2016

Oh NO! California Hits the Brakes on High-Speed Rail Fiasco
Steven Frisch Call Your Office:
The total construction cost estimate has now more than doubled to $68 billion from the original $33 billion, despite trims in the routes planned. The first, easiest-to-build, segment of the system — the “train to nowhere” through a relatively empty stretch of the Central Valley — is running at least four years behind schedule and still hasn’t acquired all the needed land. Predicted ticket prices to travel from LA to the Bay have shot from $50 to more than $80. State funding is running short. Last month’s cap-and-trade auction for greenhouse gases, expected to provide $150 million for the train, yielded a mere $2.5 million. And no investors are lining up to fill the $43 billion construction-budget gap.
Now, courtesy of Los Angeles Times reporter Ralph Vartabedian, comes yet another damning revelation: When the Spanish construction company Ferrovial submitted its winning bid for a 22-mile segment, the proposal included a clear and inconvenient warning: “More than likely, the California high speed rail will require large government subsidies for years to come.” Ferrovial reviewed 111 similar systems around the world and found only three that cover their operating costs.
Bottom line:
The measure sounds like basic democratic hygiene. But it’s a big deal. “It is the awakening of the magnitude of the issue in front of us,” the bill’s sponsor Jim Patterson, a Republican from Fresno, told the Times. “The project has moved from spotty opposition in the legislature to growing concern.”
Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom, the first announced candidate for governor in 2018, has said that barring something “really significant,” he can’t see taking the money from other infrastructure projects. The officials who have to make the budget tradeoffs that weren’t on the ballot in 2008 are finally pushing back. The question now is when they’ll have the guts to pull the plug.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-28/california-hits-the-brakes-on-high-speed-rail-fiasco?
I am on record opposing this boondoggle!

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Here’s a real virtuous duo you GOP Evangelicals can get behind! Todd?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/trump-and-gingrich-two-men_b_10689992.html

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 01:21 PM
Not an unfair point. They are as hypocritical as you are with your constant prattling on about San Francisco Values. Which I always figured was just code for you getting away for a “boys only” SF weekend minus the family with your bullwhip and size “2X cow” pair of ass-less chaps.
NTTATWWT.

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Gregory

28 June 2016

Jeffie is just keeps tossing handfuls into the fan.
Our one-party state has bet the farm on Climate Change science that reached its zenith in 2007 and has been going downhill ever since. Coal is a bogeyman, and it’s extraction in the US will take the hindmost until there’s a political change in the wind.
Coal isn’t going away and until there are cheaper alternatives for the energy production it makes possible (nuclear fusion is clearly the power technology of the future… if the science and the technology can be tamed), it will be dug up, transported, and burned. For now, Oakland isn’t going to be part of the transportation solution. No one is surprised, nor does anyone see anything other than political motives for Oakland’s decision. No rocket scientists there.
In the meantime, we are still sliding towards a significant solar minimum, and the Pellines of the world will be whistling past the freezer for some time. Enjoy the melody.

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George Rebane

28 June 2016

RussS 116pm – One of RR’s tenets is that ‘when something goes wrong, government is guilty until proven innocent.’ Here we note the loud sound of crickets again when another massive and much-foreseen government failure again materializes. Their big problem with the country is the “GOP Evangelicals”; now if we could only get rid of them …

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Major correction to Gregory 1:51.
Coal has been rapidly going away in the US for several years now and is rapidly running out of west coast ports to ship offshore to distance Asian locales. ie, Coal costs are rising and the eco conscience world is taking notice. At the same time, renewable costs are dropping like stones and utilization increasing in many markets such as CA as it gets ready to phase out much of its fossil fuel dependence in our lifetime. Please refer to the tens of thousands of articles on this subject.
Thanks.

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

“Their big problem with the country is the “GOP Evangelicals”; now if we could only get rid of them …”
Hey, I couldn’t care less if you GOP voters want to continue to prioritize the issues and platforms of your fellow GOP Evangelicals. Its great for progressives in General Elections! It WOULD be great for the GOP if the GOP would tell them to take a hike, politically speaking of course. 🙂 Hell, have at it in 2016.

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George Rebane

28 June 2016

¬¬¬¬The dust up in Sacramento consisted of 30 protesters with permit belonging to the Traditionalist Workers Party peacefully demonstrating on the steps of the Capitol until they were attacked by a couple of hundred radical leftwingers who had come to shut them down. Then a melee started and continued with TWP members shown on video being beaten and stabbed by the Bolsheviks.
And then we get the lamestream reports of the event wherein we read that a group of “anti-fascists” (obviously the good guys) showed up to protest the presence of the “neo-fascists” (obviously the bad guys), and then things turned ugly. Blood flowed, knives and clubs came out, and then members of Sacramento’s finest who were there in force remarkably had no better idea of what happened than did the good people at home watching the lamestream telecasts. Imagine that.
I’ve never heard of the TWP nor their being identified as a “new hate group” (by whom on the basis of what???). So I dug into it a bit, and guess what? The reporting was nothing short of the usual progressive propaganda bullshit that gets dished out when another group frustrated with socialism’s advance tries to peacefully make its feelings known. The best I can tell is that the TWP are a bunch of Christians who want to promote and salvage the remains of their “European-American” culture and identity without any attempt to limit what other cultures and ‘identities’ seek in our homeland. Their claim is to be “ethno-pluralists”. Anything beyond that seems to have been fabricated out of whole cloth by the natural and abundant foes of traditional European-American cultures long practiced on these shores.
Before lambasting them further, it would pay for the lambasters (or is it lambastards?) to go to their website and pick out what in their doctrine is so offensive as to require their being physically attacked by leftwing vigilantes during a sanctioned protest at our state capitol.
http://www.tradworker.org/

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Boy, with this endless string of unfortunate events happening to My Gal, she just can’t shake that fake, fraud…unauthentic collar. It’s a great mystery. Now she is defending her religion for the first time since she was a Goldwater Girl. And here I thought she loved Islam more than….well, she still loves the money first and foremost, but Islam is her second love, then Huma, then Chelsea…..opps. Make that herself, then money, then Huma, then Chelsea….and somewhere way down the list is love of country. Opps, strike that. Love of other countries….countries that give her big bucks. So many big bucks it makes her swoon. Now, if only she can shake that “fake, fraud, unauthentic” label, people might even be introduced to someone they have never seen before: Hillary Rodclam Clinton. Will the real Hillary please stand up. We are just dying to meet you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iYUQtxXZPsk&feature=youtu.be
Aha! My Gal has finally caught a much needed break. The Former Presumptive Nominee just threw his support 100% behind her. It’s about time.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/669333266550232/?type=3&theater
Drats, foiled again. Darn hackers. Just as she was starting to break free. Curse you knuckledraggers.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/868124913321547/?type=3&theater

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 02:13 PM
Thanks.
Welcome to another episode of Jeff Pellines – “Lie or Error”
You’re getting so predictable….!

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

…with this endless string of unfortunate events happening to My Gal…BT
unfortunate?? LOL. Would like to hear about them. Which ones are making Hillary rise in the polls?

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Gregory

28 June 2016

That’s eco sans science, Jeff. Coal costs remain quite low if unburdened by useless and expensive carbon capture technologies. I’ll see your imaginary tens of thousands of articles promoting your view with this real list of “I don’t know how many but over 1350” because that’s when they stopped counting.
Jeff, read all of the ones with the likes of Svensmark, Kirkby, Shaviv, Veizer and Lindzen as authors, then we can talk.
Were renewable costs truly “dropping like stones”, draconian edicts by Sacramento would not be wielded locally and entire countries like Spain and Germany wouldn’t be distancing themselves. However, the EU bureaucrats in Brussels remain on your side.
Here’s a discussion at Judith Curry’s blog of a fresh paper forecasting a grand (super) solar minimum to start in 2050 (and that follows the current slide into solar inactivity)… hint: if true, we won’t be seeing any warming this century, though by the time we get to 2100, the warming will be seen as preferable.
https://judithcurry.com/2016/06/27/are-we-headed-for-a-new-solar-minimum/

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Gregory

28 June 2016

I managed to drop the link to the real list of well over a thousand papers that my tribe has paid attention to:
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Gregory | 28 June 2016 at 02:58 PM
It could be a million peer reviewed papers….they’re not going to challenge his faith.
“Marxism, Freudianism, global warming. These are proof — of which history offers so many examples — that people can be suckers on a grand scale. To their fanatical followers they are a substitute for religion.”
— Paul Johnson

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Fish @ 1:33
Come on Rusty, try it again.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/87a41207ae/breaking-in-the-pole-literally-from-mshizzle?_cc=__t___&_ccid=83a6ef4bbbb05502
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/1200x/14/08/2a/14082a46a9abea9d5d4e4bd3caa3d0c3.jpg
Now, let the good times roll! Polls? We don’t need no stinkin’ polls.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/27/american-latinos-trump-blast-msm-politico-im-american-first-group-us-together-illegal-immigrants/

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Gregory

28 June 2016

Regarding the rumble in Sacramento, both sides arrived expecting a fight. More like Jets and the Sharks without Bernstein and Sondheim helping the storyline, and real knives.
The best advice on what to do with those people was given by Camper Van Beethoven in the ’80’s: Take the Skinheads Bowling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDB9oCgVHGw

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fish

28 June 2016

Wonder which local website has been making this claim?

“The majority of people moving out of California earn less than $50,000 annually whereas those who move TO California overwhelmingly have annual annual incomes in excess of $50,000 annually. Note that people making over $250,000 annually are fleeing The Golden State, primarily to escape taxes and daunting regulations.”

….and which one hasn’t……wonder, wonder, wonder…..?
https://anthonybsanders.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/escape-from-san-francisco-home-prices-congestion-taxes-driving-people-away/

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Gregory

28 June 2016

Regarding the AGW religion, this old quote has merit
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”
― Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
Jeffie will be one of the slower to recover.

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Gregory | 28 June 2016 at 03:07 PM
Nice….way to set the “WayBack Machine”!
(Thanks to the stupid skinhead/Trads I can’t wear my fabulous olive MA-1 flight jacket anymore. I’ve been forced by genetics to sport a similar “haircut” and the combination, regrettably, is misleading to the casual observer)

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Gregory

28 June 2016

“It could be a million peer reviewed papers….they’re not going to challenge his faith.”
-ghoti 2:58
My kid, with the fresh degrees in chemistry and physics, asked me why I bother countering people like him, and my answer is I don’t expect to change his mind. I’m writing past him to give anyone more open minded who happens onto the discussion something else to consider.
The likes of Pelline and Frisch are fighting a political fight and his side has raised the IPCC flag for all to kiss and genuflect towards. Without it, California Democrats have nothing, having accepted the Global Warming Solutions act as their magic carpet ride to the top. Yep, California will lead the world, just as soon as phase 2 is identified:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2011/07/14/underpants-gnomes-political-economy

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Yet another correction to Gregory is required, unfortunately. Comprehension a problem or something more basic?
Indeed, Renewables are dropping LIKE A STONE.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-06/wind-and-solar-are-crushing-fossil-fuels
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/energy/2015/10/151002-solar-energy-sees-eye-popping-price-drops/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/11/3737538/intellectual-property-renewable-energy/
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/power-to-the-people
Danke.

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Gregory

28 June 2016

Yes, it’s something else, Jeff.
Dropping solar prices are largely due to China’s bubble pushing product out the door. Ditto wind. And both tend to ignore the fact that, once in the grid, an equivalent amount of fossil or nuclear fueled capacity has to be kept at the ready to kick in when clouds or the diurnal cycle block the sun, or the wind stops blowing.
Add onto that the Obama administration’s choice to make fossil fuels not economically viable by artificial means, and “green” gets its boost. Easy come, easy go.

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 03:43 PM
Well that’s good! But we’ll have to see….and in any case all it does is undermine the case for regulating CO2.
A win-win!
Thanks!

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Gregory

28 June 2016

Here’s a scary story for Jeff
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601083/ivanpahs-problems-could-signal-the-end-of-concentrated-solar-in-the-us/
It’s also interesting to note the Ivanpah development was at the core of the problem with the nutcase rancher in southern Nevada. The land his family had been using for years was getting its cattle evicted because it was newly designated desert tortoise habitat… to replace the habitat destroyed by Ivanpah. It’s unclear how well the tortoises managed the move, and the ones that couldn’t be accomodated were killed.

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Bill Tozer

28 June 2016

Thanks Gregory for keeping him occupied. Smooth move.
Donald J. Trump ‏sez:
Benghazi is just another Hillary Clinton failure. It just
never seems to work the way it’s supposed to with Clinton.
Holy Smokes! Another hate crime directed at gays doing the ménage a trios thang. I bet it was a white angry right winger. Wanna bet? It’s a YT, hands down. Oh, this is perfect timing. Those homophobes should never be able to get their wretched hands on a gun, ever! Can’t wait to rub it in those Nazi faces over at Rebane’s. Ah, I am already making the keyboard sticky…
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/28/nearly-50-dead-more-than-100-reported-injured-in-terror-attack-at-istanbul-airport.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
http://media.photobucket.com/user/TheUKShark/media/Funny%20Pictures/FatGuy.jpg.html?filters%5Bterm%5D=funny%20fat%20guy&filters%5Bprimary%5D=images&filters%5Bsecondary%5D=videos&sort=1&o=1

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

yup, its something more basic…
Gotta admit it’s damn amusing to Greg and fish talking to an imaginery person. 🙂

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fish

28 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 28 June 2016 at 04:19 PM
Sure it is jeffy. Sure it is.
Still interested to know how you manage to sound slightly more masculine when you post here? The patch maybe?
You’re generally such a nebbish over at the Fathills Report.

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Jon Dozer

28 June 2016

Wise words from the most respected female voice of the GOP…
In one of her most confusing speeches to date, Sarah Palin gave presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump some advice.
When choosing a running mate, she said this weekend, “I would tell him to find someone who understands who the boss will be, someone who is not running too, someone who he could serve with who he wouldn’t need a taste test, a food taste-tester around him, you know? You know what I mean?”….

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