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Sandbox – 24apr16

24 April 2016

[Tempest fugit. Again I am tardy with a fresh sandbox. Was told that certain leftwingers are now sowing hate and fear because Oath Keepers have been detected in the county. All hands on deck to man the purple paint brushes! gjr]

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223 responses to “Sandbox – 24apr16”

Bill Tozer

25 April 2016

Catch 22 for My Gal
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/04/25/napolitano-hillary-facing-catastrophe-whether-she-is-indicted-or-not/

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Don Bessee

25 April 2016

Sadly a child was badly injured in the butane hash oil explosion.

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Bill Tozer

25 April 2016

Darn. Knew that would happen sooner or later. A badly burned child often looses her parents as well in an explosion/fire. A double whammy that breaks my heart. Luckily all are alive I pray.

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fish

26 April 2016

Trump: Americans will thank me when Lena Dunham flees to Canada

You may not like Trump…..but you can’t argue with the likely results. I might actually have to vote this cycle!
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-ill-do-country-a-great-service-by-winning-if-rosie-leaves-222437#ixzz46wAvhsxB

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fish

26 April 2016

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 25 April 2016 at 10:02 PM
It’s just a sign of progress William. Finally……. after years of needing to wait for politicians to assume their office and then do something questionable and underhanded……modern politics has finally evolved to the state where politicians are installed pre-disgraced.
Truly a wonderful time to be alive!

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Michael R. Kesti

26 April 2016

Don Bessee 25Apr16 10:05 PM
As of 6:07 this morning (26Apr16) KNCO is reporting that the cause of the explosion and fire is unknown and that there were no injuries.

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Russ Steele

26 April 2016

Oh NO! This is not going to make jon and his fellow travelers happy, but is encouraging news for Republican’s across the board.
Election data compiled by Breitbart News on the Democratic Party’s primaries and caucuses in 2016 and 2008 show that turnout in is down significantly, nearly 20 percent, from the last contested election.
The data also show that the about 4.5 million fewer people have voted in the Democratic presidential contest this year versus 2008.
Ugly details here: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/26/exclusive-data-analysis-democrat-turnout-collapses-4-5-million-nearly-20-percent-2016-versus-2008/.

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Bill Tozer

26 April 2016

Mr. Kesti @ 6:13am. KNCO just said a child sustained minor injuries when a TV fell on the child due to the explosion. A 2,500 sq foot house totally destroyed. That must have been a big quick fire. I am relieved no one was hurt.
On a very windy day with good gusts, it is weird that there was an explosion of this magnitude. You would think that a gas/propane leak would be more likely on a still calm day in an enclosed space. Who knows at this point? Maybe the residents had to close the windows and doors because of the wind….

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Michael R. Kesti

26 April 2016

Bill Tozer 26Apr16 06:53 AM
Yes, I heard the later report about the falling television.

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Bill Tozer

26 April 2016

Mr. Steele. Jon will not be happy that you cited Breitbart.com, not the contents of the factual article. Shoot the messenger, never the substance of the message. Oh course Hillary in 2016 does have that enthusiasm gap that was hidden by Obama’s surge in 2008. Gawd, imagine having that voice on your living room TV for the next 4 years. Makes me want to postpone ever getting a hearing aid. It’s not a woman’s voice I dislike. Some women sound like a delightful bubbling brook when speaking. Inticng. Nay, is not a woman’s voice that is fingernails on the blackboard…er…chalkboard to me. It’s That Woman, Ms. Clinton’s voice, I find one big turn off and turn it off ASAP. Coughing fits do help.

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Russ Steele

26 April 2016

I am sure that you all remember Michael Mann’s endorsement of Heidi Hall for District ! Supervisor. Well, it was a big deal over at the FUE’s blog. I was watching a Mark Steyn interview this morning where he discusses Michael Mann’s misogynistic attacks on women scientist in the field of climatology, specifically Dr Judith Curry who has been critical of the science behind Mann’s “Hockey Stick.”
The full 28-minute interview is HERE: https://youtu.be/L7wQp0Ir5Vc
Ben Weingarten, commentator and Founder & CEO of ChangeUp Media sits down with Mark Steyn, international bestselling author, political pundit, cultural critic and hardened climate change dissenter Mark Steyn for an in-depth interview. During their discussion, Weingarten and Steyn discuss the chilling of free speech by the climate alarmists and their enablers in the political and legal system, the stakes of the defamation suit filed against Steyn by climate scientist Dr. Michael E. Mann over a critical blog post, why it is the scientific community that resembles a racket rather than demonized “Big Oil,” the misogyny of the “climate cabal” and its attack on Dr. Judith Curry, the parallels between climate supremacists and Islamic supremacists, why the West should celebrate increasing levels of carbon dioxide and much more.
Interesting interview, well worth your time to watch.

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fish

26 April 2016

“Obamacare disaster will be Obama’s enduring domestic legacy”

Yeah…..I don’t really believe the story either as it comes from one of those sham news sites that our lefty participants here so rightly mock and deride!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-disaster-will-be-obamas-enduring-domestic-legacy/2016/04/25/a8c09b38-0ae4-11e6-8ab8-9ad050f76d7d_story.html

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Todd Juvinall

26 April 2016

KNCO is reporting at 11:30 AM there may be a criminal act regarding the house fire in Alta Sierra yesterday. Suspected “honey oil” lab. Now who was the person who dissed Don Besse about this? A low information person apparently?

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Todd Juvinall

26 April 2016

Oh and thanks to BillT I posted his link to Mark Steyn (climate disruption) on NC Peeps. Already loons are attacking.

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Don Bessee

26 April 2016

Todd, the haters are just mad that RR got the scoop.;-)

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Bill Tozer

26 April 2016

Todd @ 11:39 am. You are most welcome, but one teenie weenie itty bitty fly in the “atta boy” ointment. It was our own Made Made Global Inferno Denier Mr. Steele that dug up and posted the reference to Mark Steyn’s fine link. You are welcome on behalf of the entire Steele family and friends.
But,Mr. Russ is on to something:
“the parallels between climate supremacists and Islamic supremacists,”
Excellent timing. Walt could have told you so. Liberalism equates to tyranny.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/swedish-greens-jolted-by-claims-of-islamist-infiltration/2016/04/26/6e30ee88-0ba6-11e6-bc53-db634ca94a2a_story.html

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Brad C.

26 April 2016

“In our eagerness to embrace a diverse and multicultural society, we have turned a blind eye to undemocratic views,” said Gulan Avci, a Stockholm city councilwoman for the Liberals, a center-right opposition party.
Say what? If liberals are considered center-right, what is center left? They must do things differently in the land of the midnight sun.

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Walt

26 April 2016

Thanks for the plug Bill, but some have to learn on their own.
Yet Progressives are doing the same damned thing here.
My kin in the “old country” sure are not happy. They don’t like the multi-culty crap, and what it’s doing to their way of life.

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George Rebane

26 April 2016

re Walt’s 132pm – People who study colonization and fifth columns tell us that historically when an unassimilated cohort in a country gets to about 5% of the population, then all bets are off on the natives attempting to keep their culture and form of governance intact.

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Walt

26 April 2016

You got that right our good Dr. Us locals know this well. When the hippies got chased out of Frisco in 1969, they stumbled up here in their stoned stupor. They didn’t like our “living off the land” way of life. (mining and logging etc.) When they told their Berkeley kin about life up here, it was all down hill. Just like in Sweden, take over the political seats, because that is where law is written.

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Todd Juvinall

26 April 2016

If I have a really good tan and want to move to Sweden will they let me in?

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Gregory

26 April 2016

Here’s a blast from the recent past by “Jon”, very probably the Former The Union Editor, Jeff Pelline.

Walt, what’s your take on the horrible act of Domestic terrorism today in Ohio? – 8 innocents killed by likely white redneck suspect or suspectss with guns. Mass terrorism. Perhaps restrictions on white redneck behavior and associated weaponry is warranted. I’m sick of hearing about these types of atrocities in our heartland and rural areas.
Posted by: Jon | 22 April 2016 at 09:48 PM

Still no arrest(s), but we have heard the dead were riddled with as many as nine bullets apiece, and there were large commercial pot grows and evidence of cockfighting associated with the locations. This wasn’t terror, this was likely about the family business.
Sorry, “Jon”, you’ll just have to wait for something else to confirm your bias.

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Bill Tozer

26 April 2016

Todd, you got to get rid of those unsightly bikini tan lines first. Try sunbathing, then apply for the visa.
Gregory: Jon had not come up for air since Mr. Walt told him he has a grunt sandwich for a brain chip. That’s all it took. Too easy. Walt even forgot to add that the line about the best part of Jon ran down…….

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Walt

26 April 2016

Yup, that “jon” is a real piece of work. Sorry gents,, I had enough of his TROLL garbage, and “snapped”. Blame it on the hard apple cider injected pork loin I cooked up that day.
Maybe all the alcohol didn’t cook out of it. Good thing I wrote that down! Goood stuff.
Now Trump is running the table tonight. Just maybe the voters will throw a dead skunk into the contested convention planing room. But I’m sure some dirty tricks are still yet to be played.
As for Hillary,,, she is every man’s ex-wife. (even if you have never been married) Who in hell wants that sitting in a position of power? Who can even handle sitting through one of her screeching speeches?

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Patricia Smith

26 April 2016

The honey oil lab explosion in Alta Sierra is just the beginning of more to come. House fires will increase dramatically as more folks are forced inside due to overloaded electrical panels. Entire grow houses will spring up again. It certainly made more sense to move the grows onto larger AG parcels than allow them in every residence in Nevada County.
Way to go Don! Since you like to take credit for getting the outdoor ban enacted, you must be so proud. I’m sure your neighbors will line up to thank you too. You cured a problem that didn’t exist in Alta Sierra.

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Walt

26 April 2016

Todd. Now worries about being pail as a ghost over there. That’s just the way things are.
Even the older Swedish women are drop dead gorgeous.

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Don Bessee

26 April 2016

Butane Hash Oil production in a residential area is a Felony as it should be. This is a despicably shellfish practice to do in a neighborhood with kids in the house. There is NO evidence in any of the areas that have had restricted outdoor grows of those problems you are claiming. Look at Roseville, it has restricted outdoor for a number of years and has not seen what you describe. Neither has Sac and so on and so on. No one is buying that line of bovine scatology.
Hell, SAMs club in Roseville has an all in the box indoor grow house, UL approved plug in the wall with LED lights, fans etc. Your own industry has already answered the call from the other half of the state that has restricted outdoor grows. They even have units for apartments now that they say pay for themselves in a year.
You are right about one thing and that is all the folks thanking the team that worked on this over and over and over again.

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Todd Juvinall

26 April 2016

Thanks Walt 6:11PM. I like those tall viking women. LOL!
PatriciaS, why so ridiculous? You can’t make your argument on the facts? So when a house blows up from butane cooking honey oil it is DonB’s fault? Jeeze, your logic is missing as much as some potheads I have heard. Talk about baiting with a dumb argiment. Try Peeps.

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Patricia Smith

26 April 2016

Don knows I abhor BTO under any circumstances. It is not medicine and the process to make it is extremely dangerous. I was talking about the dangers of house fires that are started from indoor grows and how that endangers a neighborhood. We worked for years to get rid of these grows because they are dangerous and produce substandard medicine.
http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-163/issue-6/Features/the-hazards-of-grow-houses.html

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Jon

26 April 2016

Hay Greg, 4:20, you’re really not very bright, are ya?

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Don Bessee

26 April 2016

That’s the best you got pattie? A 6 year old article that is really about the problems for fire fighters dealing with bootleg grows? How about some stats from the restricted Counties in CA that support your contentions, you aren’t providing that because it does not exist.
Small grow with modern low energy lighting presents no threat to the community. Its the fill the rented house with a ton of lights in what is an illegal commercial grow that is a problem, not a small personal grow for a qualified patient.

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Walt

26 April 2016

The TROLL is back.. Right on time… Stalker.

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Don Bessee

26 April 2016

Todd, you will have to forgive Pattie, she is still pissed off that the Cal Growers exec director and not her got invited to the League of Women Voters debate forum on Measure W. May 19th 630pm at the Rood Center BOS chambers.

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Paul Emery

26 April 2016

Bessee
What ideas do you have that would help law enforcement curtail illegal honey oil operations such as you attribute as the cause of the explosion and fire?

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Bill Tozer

26 April 2016

My, that Dump Trump plan didn’t work. Back to the drawing board. Not even close.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/640890076061218/?type=3&theater
Wonder what Main Street media has to say about this? Hmmm, nice ice breaker.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-trump-reaches-50-percent-support-nationally-first-time-n562061
Good thing the Dems are running a weak candidate, weaker than Windsurfer Kerry, Helmet Head Dukais, Burger Belly Gore, or Martin O’Malley. A walk in the park.

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Gregory

26 April 2016

“Jon”, you were the one hallucinating terrorists in Ohio and both your writing style (such as it is) and your bogeymen are indistinguishable from Pellines.

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Don Bessee

26 April 2016

First PE the world knows what happened at that house now, Sac Bee, KNCO even the Union has its story preview on line. We have been advocating for the end to bulk butane quart canister sales. There is only a legitimate home use for small quantities. Legit industrial users get it delivered in large armored tanks like you see used in commercial welding. Treat large can purchases like pseudoephedrine is, behind the counter and a purchase limit for adults only with a record of purchase is the recommended model. No one has a legitimate use for large can after can after can.

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Bill Tozer

26 April 2016

Ohio? All the signatures of a Mexican mob hit to me. You owe them money? They will kill your Mom and let you live with that on your conscious. Point blank executions, coordinated. Mexican hit I bet.
Now, music to my ears. Tonight’s favorite quote.
“Meanwhile, Jamie Raskin defeated businessman David Trone and Kathleen Matthews, a former newswoman and wife of MSNBC host Chris Matthews, in the House Democratic primary to succeed Van Hollen.”

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Todd Juvinall

26 April 2016

Another poison for the masses. Honey oil! The ingenious humans can turn anything into a mind altering substance. I wish people had the guts to say know and live their lives unfettered by this crap. We are so unique in the universe yet people give it up to see unicorns in their head. Amazing.

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Gregory

26 April 2016

Todd people do drugs like pot, hashish and honey/hash oil because they enjoy it. Where in the Constitution is there an enumerated power to criminalize it?
I recall Ben Franklin suggested beer was proof there was a god who loved Us and Wanted Us to be Happy. Why shouldn’t THC compounds be in the same category?
Playing devil’s advocate, don’t get your panties in a.knot.

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Don Bessee

26 April 2016

Gregory the issue at hand is blowing up a building and burning down the neighborhoods.

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Michael R. Kesti

27 April 2016

Don Bessee 26Apr16 11:38 PM
Who made you the authority on what the issue at hind might be? I happen to think that Gregory has a valid and relevant point.
The fact is that many people enjoy altering their consciousness. This has been true for just about forever and is not likely to change. The War on the American People (AKA, the War on [some] Drugs) has been going on for about 80 years now and it has clearly made matters worse. It’s about time to wake up and see that its time for controlled and regulated legalization, much as is the case with alcohol and tobacco.
You might already have heard that America used to be a free country.

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Don Bessee

27 April 2016

Tweakers are still Tweakers no matter your PC projection stuff K. What say you about the oh so entitled guy who blew up the house for some hash oil high? You might want to review the drug use rates post Viet Nam to now K. 😉

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Michael R. Kesti

27 April 2016

There is nothing PC about my position.
I say the blown up houses are one of the many results of prohibition.
Would those post-Vietnam drug use rates include alcohol and tobacco?

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Michael R. Kesti

27 April 2016

I ask again, who made you the authority?

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rl crabb

27 April 2016

I can see the Yes on W mailers now…The charred remains of the honey oil lab…The scattered butane containers…Maybe a frightened child standing in the middle of it with a single tear falling from her eye. Yeah, I’m sure you’ll play it for all it’s worth. Problem is, you’ll just drive the problem into more basements. In the end, you’re just pissing in the wind.

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Bill Tozer

27 April 2016

The police blotter has had plenty of entries of discarded butane bottle piles, as well as many entries around the 800-1000 block of Sutton Way concerning illegal campers, found needles, and shoplifters. Nothing new. Honey oil may be new, but just another chapter of criminal activity.
Growing the marihuana plant inside a home is illegal, but does not stop people from cultivating in bedrooms, basements, and renting “grow houses”. Measure W allows people to grow the marihuana plant in a permitted detached structure. Now, the cynic in me would proclaim (channeling PE) that is great for the local economy. Imagine all the workers building detracted structures with permits and inspected for electrical and structure safety by our building departments. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Contractors busy building with their crews, tradesmen busy wiring, digging solid fountains and hanging doors, lumber companies selling materials, concrete trucks busy, inspectors busy, property taxes rise due to improvements of added structures to the property…..a lot of jobs and income generated for the locals and county coffers. Well, that is how it looks on paper.
But, we will still have grow houses, taped up extension cords running on the ground to the falling down chicken coops, illegal campers and illegal campfires around Utah’s place complete with drug activity and downright mean unfriendly panhandlers and shoplifters in that immediate area.
Don’t matter what law is passed. Crank, crack, meth labs, honey oil labs are already illegal. Growing in a residence is currently illegal. Rape and assault are already illegal.
Mr. Crabb is right. It’s just pissing in the wind as the law abiding citizens are sucking wind. There will still be homeless starting fires, people growing pot for profit on the black market, and Nevada City residents calling the police that someone stole their soul or they received a mental message from a long deceased friend trying to warn them about spirits hijacking their thoughts. Pissing in the wind, pissing against the wind.
Meanwhile, its another beatiful day in the neighborhood. The hummingbirds are really out in force in the flower garden this year and a bird had made a nest in a coconut I carved out and hung up near the front door. Ah, mother birdie has been busy packing it full of nest making materials as father stands guard from a nearby branch. Life goes on.

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Todd Juvinall

27 April 2016

I am pretty much a libertarian on most things but I have seen to many weak kneed people get addicted to a substance and wreck their lives and those around them. Funny how the reason California passed the “helmet” law for motorcycles in the 90’s is they said the brain injured ended up as a expense to the state when they could not pay. Same for smoking cigarettes. So they passed those laws, all those good “liberals” running the State. Those compassionate liberals. Now we get to have drug court,hundreds of taxpayer programs for these addicted people and these compassionate liberals are aghast! No No, they say, it is a personal choice, keep the government out of it. OK, so when you weak kneed addicts need help, don’t come ask the taxpayers for it. Ask the growers of the poison.

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Brad C.

27 April 2016

Honey oil processes are probably most commonly used to extract the active ingredients in MJ from ‘waste’ products of the plants such as leaves and trimmings. To me, the fact that extraction labs are in this area (beside the proximity to MJ grows) is partly due to the fact that sources of income for many folks and young families in the region are few and far between.
People see that there is an opportunity to make some money to support their families (even though dangerous and illegal), so they take the chance, even though they don’t really have the eduction or background, or money to do the extraction in a safe way, or in a more appropriate setting.
Reminds me of the ‘bathtub gin’ days of the other prohibition. I guess there are still alcohol ‘stills’ in the backwoods here and there.
As with alcohol, home brew MJ stills will probably mostly disappear when MJ is legal.
All the more reason to legaize and regulate it.

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Brad C.

27 April 2016

‘Honey oil lab’ sounds a like a term that would be coined by law enforcement to scare the populous. In actuality, I don’t think MJ extraction is a whole lot more complex than an alcohol still. You are just trying to separate the THC/CBD from the ‘green matter’ with a suitable solvent. CO2 also works like butane but requires expensive equipment to do it right. It basically freezes the THC crystals so they break away from the plant and can be separated.
The term ‘still’ would probably be more appropriate.

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