139 responses to “Sandbox – 29mar16”

1. 

   Walt

   31 March 2016

   Damn “jon”.. what will you do when they start taxing you by the plant?
   and,,,, WTF is “societal”? I will ask before Bordman shows up.

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   Jon

   31 March 2016

   Oh Walt. Only impacts me if they start taxing carrots, beets and tomatoes. Otherwise, I’ll be the beneficiary of more money in CA coffers.
   And Walt, you can always look up the word “societal” in the dictionary at your local library if Wikipedia doesn’t suit you. I learned the full meaning way back, perhaps 6th grade or so?.. Edupacation is a good thing Walt.

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   Walt

   31 March 2016

   Funny… A word no one has used in modern time. I have never come across it. (I read a LOT) Where did you trip over it? Some Marxist web site out of Berkeley?
   Give the state time. What you grow WILL be taxed.

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   Jon

   31 March 2016

   Its abundantly clear that you read a lot Walt. SOCIETAL is indeed one of rarest words in the English language. And reluctant kudos to you for exposing the little secret we progressives only know- only a few select Progressive/Socialists/Marxists/Communists have normal access to the word SOCIETAL. Indeed it is something that originated in Berkeley. But please don’t spread the word outside of our little group, OK?

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   Don Bessee

   31 March 2016

   So the ‘jon’ has yet to expand on why in the middle of the night he was whipping out 7 year old dark lord of liberal lament land links to bolster his superior posturing on don’t call it frisco. Kind of like a poker player who tickles his ear lobe when he gets a particular type of card. Please tell the assemblage about why its a societal imperative to squash the use of frisco. Its a no financial cost for bloviating blog so enlighten us. LOL 😉

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6. 

   George Rebane

   31 March 2016

   Gentlemen, I have a confession to make. ‘Societal’ has been used in these pages for many years not only in my posts, but also by many commenters. Just type ‘societal’ into the search box above. Unfortunately none here knew that the provenance of the word was UC Berkeley, and we have been using it without proper authorization. For that we offer our most sincere apologies.
   With some embarrassment I must also reveal that the Online Etymology Dictionary along with various British authorities trace the word’s origins to the first half of the 19th century at which time UC Berkeley was not even a gleam in the eye of Josiah Royce for the simple reason that the university did not then exist nor did Professor Royce’s eye as the repository of said gleam.
   That be said, we do intend to continue its use as appropriate in these pages under the banner that it’s always better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

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   Jon

   31 March 2016

   How can that be Dr. Rebane? The well-read Mr. Walt Dirtmover has never heard of SOCIETAL in all his academic endeavors.

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8. 

   Don Bessee

   31 March 2016

   Crickets…..

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   Jon

   31 March 2016

   Donnie, let me enlighten you since you don’t appear to be the sharpest blade in the drawer.
   The bogus poster using small case jon is not me. I wouldn’t wake up in the middle of the night to post anywhere.
   Thanks.
   Jon

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10. 

    Walt

    31 March 2016

    Jon.. You can call me “Dr. Dirt.” I do have a PHD.

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11. 

    Don Bessee

    31 March 2016

    Ohoooo, the ‘jon’ went all diminutive passive aggressive with a posture, donnnie, let me enlighten you. It seems one of the hands forgot to slide into the right IP. Giggle, snort, laugh. 😉

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12. 

    Jon

    31 March 2016

    OK then…

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13. 

    Bill Tozer

    31 March 2016

    My, Dr. Dirt to the resue. Hey, it’s organic and you can eat ’em up. If you don’t make a fine jug of wine out of them, then throw the leaves in the compost pile because they release CA. Ah, just eat the ones near the fire plug, Jonjon. The Dr. Recommends you eat those first.
    http://www.indystar.com/story/life/home-garden/2016/03/31/dr-dirt-dealing-deluge-dandelions/82485524/
    Now, don’t eat too many of them leaves or else you will look like your pinko twin.
    http://nypost.com/2016/03/31/kim-jong-un-weighs-nearly-300-pounds/

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14. 

    Jon

    31 March 2016

    Tozer, Mr. Un isn’t the most attractive man on the planet, is he?
    Hey, are you into good local Nevada County wine? I could really hook you up with good grape juice. When it dawns on you that Drumpf isn’t going to make it, you will need the good stuff. 🙂

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15. 

    Don Bessee

    31 March 2016

    Poser.

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16. 

    Bill Tozer

    31 March 2016

    See, I told you that Sqawking Squaw speaks with forked tongue. Just look at that mouth. Just look at those teeth. She should use those chops to chew leather instead of hating on the 1st Amendment. Typical progressive control freak socialist.
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/31/elizabeth-warren-wants-the-sec-to-help-her-ban-free-speech/

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    Jon

    31 March 2016

    Then you have a lot of material to work with Tozer, since Liz is a very possible next VP… Every VP in history is mocked relentlessly. Will give you something to do from 2016-2020 if she’s on the ticket.

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18. 

    Walt

    31 March 2016

    Oh yaaa.. She who lies though teeth to get where she is. Why is it Progressives LOVE liars, and vote for them? HELL! I’m more Native American* than she is.(blood line on N.American soil can be traced to the 1720’s)

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19. 

    Jon

    31 March 2016

    Walt, your Boy Donald says the biggest liars are Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Last I heard they were both Conservative. Never mentioned Liz Warren.
    Cool about your Native American roots. How did you trace it to the 1720s? I don’t know of any Native family genealogies that have ever gone back that far.

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20. 

    Jon

    31 March 2016

    As I was saying…Drumpf with virtually zero chance of becoming US President. Paul Ryan anyone? LOL.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-would-be-least-popular-major-party-nominee-in-modern-times/2016/03/30/b4b077e0-f5e7-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html

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21. 

    Jon

    31 March 2016

    “The only recent candidate with comparably low ratings is former KKK leader David Duke, who unsuccessfully sought the GOP nomination in 1992.”
    So not winning!

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22. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 April 2016

    V
    https://www.facebook.com/1551219775189033/photos/a.1551222865188724.1073741828.1551219775189033/1575639176080426/?type=3&theater

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23. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 April 2016

    Jon, Hillary i right up there with Trump. She is a white cracker broad so please explain why you support her.

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24. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    Sorry Todd, its over. Zero chance of Drumpf. Hillary will be your next President. For all her flaws, she’s 1000x more capable of dealing with this nation and world than Cruz or Trump. Bernie as well-he would hire good people around him. If Kasich ever had an opportunity to make his case in detail in the general election, I’d consider him. He’s never getting the nomination unfortunately.

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25. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    Now back to important issues such as the looming disaster in Appalachia and elsewhere coming from those good corporate stewards in the dead coal industry. I think Greg wanted to invest in this industry for its comeback! NOT. Coal is dead. Long live renewables.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/can-coal-companies-afford-to-clean-up-coal-country/2016/04/01/c175570c-ec73-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html

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26. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 April 2016

    Jon, So even though Hillary’s negatives are as bad as Trumps and she is a lawbreaking traitor with her email and a shyster for her phony non-profit getting millions from the enemies of America, you will still cast your vote for her? That is why Americans are rejecting your ilk, crooks, thieves and immoral traitors to America! You and your ilk are toast.

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27. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    Wrong Todd. Hillary’s negatives are nowhere as bad as Trump. Not even close. She will dominate and wipe out Drumpf among women and every and classes of minorities, who will respond in droves to vote against the sleazbag developer. Not enough angry white men like you in America today Todd. And dropping steadily. Thank goodness.
    The math will never work for Drumpf. But I told you that months ago.

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28. 

    Gregory

    01 April 2016

    “Hillary’s negatives are nowhere as bad as Trump”- “Jon”
    They will be by the time Fall GOP superpac advertising and the FBI are done with her.
    BTW, “Jon”, you were as proud as a toddler displaying their fresh turd with that Justin Gillis piece in the NY Times, taunting us with its magnificence. George and I both pointed out that, no, it really did stink, and gave reasons. Perhaps you’d like to actually respond to our critiques like the sentient being you imagine yourself to be?
    Gillis, like other select activist “journalists” such as eugenicist Chris Mooney have no scientific training besides that needed to present science-by-press-release pieces in a favorable light, like that turd of yours. “We finally got the program to give us the answers we wanted” isn’t remarkable science… that happens after said simulation demonstrates some predictive skill… but best case it’s guaranteed not to match reality… because it can’t.

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29. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 April 2016

    It was reported today that every single candidate except Kasich is in negative territory “jon”. She and Trump are only about six points different. So once again you just make it up.

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30. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    Its over boys. Rationalize and analyze all you want.
    Hope you marked the tape.

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31. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    Gregory, you should be out analyzing coal companies to invest in, for the comeback of the century.
    LOL!

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32. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 April 2016

    No “jon” it is over fpr your candidates. Both Hillary and Bernie. America will accept our guys over yours. All over for you. Accept it and plan for 2020.

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33. 

    Gregory

    01 April 2016

    KOL is an ETF I’ve been eyeing that has been beaten into the ground by the “Jon”‘s of the world. Soros is investing in coal and there isn’t a chance in hell that it will die as long as coal derived energy is an order of magnitude or two cheaper than PV.
    Gentlemen, place your bets. Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is on the wane, a dead man walking, with actual measurements of the “consensus” now being closer to 50/50 than 98%. People don’t like being lied to, and the 98% consensus claim is one of the biggest lies ever. The death of coal is tied to CAGW which looks to be on the way out with the next cold period which, by some accounts, is starting now.

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34. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 April 2016

    Mr. Gregory. How can you expect others to believe you when the entire Left is one big advocate of censorship and deception?
    http://mrctv.org/blog/video-wh-censors-reference-islamist-terrorism-french-president

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35. 

    George Rebane

    01 April 2016

    BillT 415pm – What scares me the most from such reports is that our Fourth Estate is totally cowed by Obama’s brownshirts in not reporting any of this. Such censorship should have made banner headlines as hearkening back to the days of Hitler and Stalin controlling their media as mouthpieces for the state.

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36. 

    Brad C.

    01 April 2016

    So many Nazi, Hitler, Stalin, Communist, Fascists references – Godwin would be impressed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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37. 

    Gregory

    01 April 2016

    BT, in the short run there’s no stopping the green mafia, especially in Sacramento and Baghdad by the Bay. From my reading of the state of the science we’re facing a real cold period that starts any season now… February was a peak temp of the past 37 years (that’s 0.000006852% of the time of visible life on Earth, so don’t think it all that significant) that, from past El Ninos, will be in free fall for many months… and with the current solar cycle weaknesses, it may well just keep falling. Time will tell.
    The longer the charade continues, the more pissed the people will be. That’s a tradeoff that makes the situation palatable… as the old Klingon proverb says, “Revenge is a dish best served cold”.

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38. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    There is no stopping GREEN. Correct.

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39. 

    Gregory

    01 April 2016

    “Green” as it is currently constructed by the political classes will die a graceless death as soon as it gets colder. It will stop.
    True believers such as “Jon”, Stephen Frisch the six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council and Jeff Pelline (who claims to make more than $60k per annum from his glossy pennysaver) are science maroons animated only by their politics.

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40. 

    Jon

    01 April 2016

    Man, why doesn’t the world just listen to Gregory in regards to climate change? That long predicted “real cold period may start any season now”! LOL. Talk about living in an alternate universe. Every major institution in the world forges ahead to deal with the warming and sea level rise, but not Greg. He knows better!
    Meanwhile, all 4 of the largest coal companies in the USA will be bankrupt within the year (2 are now, 3rd is virtual bankrupt), and Tesla has just taken a massive step toward the future in transportation, with more to come each and every year. All the major car makers to follow on the heels of their current EV offerings. All electric utilities have either switched, are now, or will be switching to nat gas as a bridge fuel and abandoning coal. The share of renewables will be significant very shortly in CA, followed by many other states. Exciting times!

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41. 

    Gregory

    01 April 2016

    “Jon” really is channeling Frisch tonight. Be sure to let George Soros know what a loser his coal investments are, “Jon”. Buy low, sell high. I was in the vicinity of the Ivanpah solar facility a few days ago… shining brightly. How much longer will Californians be buying $200MWhr electricity from it? Maybe until July, maybe December.
    Regarding your consensus, let’s remember the words of an honest actor on the stage, James (“Gaia”) Lovelock:

    The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is. If you talk to them privately they’re scared stiff of the fact that they don’t really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven’t got the physics worked out yet. One of the chiefs once said to me that he agreed that they should include the biology in their models, but he said they hadn’t got the physics right yet and it would be five years before they do. So why on earth are the politicians spending a fortune of our money when we can least afford it on doing things to prevent events 50 years from now? They’ve employed scientists to tell them what they want to hear.

    Lovelock forgot to mention the conversation both has to be private, and you have to be perceived as a fellow believer before you get such candor. In my case, I’ve been reading the research that suggests that clouds and aerosols are running the show. You can too, it just takes a desire to follow the science where it leads.

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42. 

    Russ Steele

    01 April 2016

    Jon@06:08PM
    There is a growing concern in the environmental community over the impact of huge solar arrays on wildlife and the mincing of birds and bats by the growing number of wind turbines.
    Large concentrated solar project in California are killing birds at about one every two minutes:
    This apparently unforeseen impact is alarming because of the frequency of the streamer phenomenon that has been observed – an estimated one every two minutes – by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) law enforcement personnel at a large concentrated solar project in California.
    http://breakingenergy.com/2016/03/24/impact-of-solar-energy-on-wildlife-is-an-emerging-environmental-issue/
    And in the same document:
    Many of the birds that have been killed at these large solar sites are waterbirds, which indicates that these birds fly to solar fields and realize too late in their descent that the solar panels are not water. The waterbirds then collide with the solar panels and are critically wounded or killed. Some waterbirds also have great difficulty taking off from non-water surfaces, which could leave them stranded in desert areas without food, water or shelter.
    Wind turbines have become giant bird killing machines:
    According to a study in the Wildlife Society Bulletin, every year 573,000 birds (including 83,000 raptors) and 888,000 bats are killed by wind turbines — 30 percent higher than the federal government estimated in 2009, due mainly to increasing wind power capacity across the nation.[i] This is likely an underestimate because these estimates were based on 51,630 megawatts of installed wind capacity in the United States in 2012 and wind capacity has grown since then to 65,879 megawatts.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wsb.260/abstract
    Not one of those 100,000 plus customers that preordered the Tesla Model 3 yesterday and today thought about those birds. But, they will soon be reminded when the there are no more coal companies to bash and fracking made illegal, thousands of environmental wackos will become restless and start looking for their next target, it will be the renewable power companies that are killing birds, bats and insects.
    Someone has to feed the hungry lawyers and their families once the coal companies are gone, the frackers shut down, the nuclear plants decommissioned, and the long-term climate change drought has limited hydro-power generation to just service critical civil and military functions.
    The grisly images of birds on fire, ducks with broken a wing being attacked by coyotes and piles of dead raptors at the base of the wind turbine towers will bookend every newscast. How will all those Tesla drivers feel about this destruction? Will it be a good feeling? Will they be happy? How do you justify this destruction, do you feel happy about all the wildlife destroyed so that you can crow about renewable energy and electric vehicles? Creepy!

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43. 

    Gregory

    01 April 2016

    “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
    -Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, Charles Mackay, first published in 1841
    The more vested the interest in the delusion, the longer recovery will take. Meaning the “Jons”, the Frisches and the Pellines will be the last to figure this one out.

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    Bill Tozer

    02 April 2016

    Herds and turds. They left as good friends.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/muslims-march-germany-chanting-allahs-help-shall-conquer-video/

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    Bill Tozer

    02 April 2016

    E
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=971276086286563&set=a.230128737067972.57344.100002125432527&type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/822069017927137/?type=3&theater

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46. 

    Jon

    02 April 2016

    As I was saying.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/us/politics/donald-trump-general-election.html
    EOM.

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47. 

    Bill Tozer

    02 April 2016

    Oh Jonjon, I never read your links and you never read mine. Fair enough Ma’am. Here, this one has a picture just for you.
    http://patriotpost.us/articles/41642
    Here, this one does not have not too many words, or even big words like Gore or Biden. What an ignoramus, what a backup plan.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/822281641239208/?type=3&theater

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48. 

    Gregory

    02 April 2016

    How nice that “Jon” can get so much satisfaction by echoing what the Times tells him to believe.
    In the meantime, waiting for coal companies to go bankrupt, a huge solar company actually is going bankrupt as I type… SunEdison, the WORLD’s largest solar energy developer.
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/01/what-happens-to-sunedison-inc-if-it-goes-under.aspx
    Jon is impatient… claiming I’d been expecting an imminent cooling for years. The expecting it being imminent (meaning at most a handful of years) is quite recent, with papers from the likes of Abdussamatov and a number of solar physicists seeing a real winding down of the main driver of the Earth’s climate… the sun, which drives our little planet with luminant and electromagnetic energy, and the solar wind which is low energy cosmic rays, the latter two which also modulate the high energy ionizing galactic cosmic rays that have been concretely linked to the formation of low level clouds… a science that has only begun to be understood in the past decade. My own conversion from lukewarmer to skeptic to scoffer was in March 2007 and if anyone wants to buy a round or two of drinks I’d be happy to walk them through it all, and I’ll only bore you with a few complete papers from peer reviewed journals. This offer is not for anyone with a history of fabrications for purposes of defamation.
    Here’s an instance of science by press release as covered by the science press; it also includes a photo of one of the most fetching of physics professors as exists on the planet… they’re expecting an actual little ice age (the culmination of a cooling that may well be imminent) by around 2030.
    http://astronomynow.com/2015/07/17/diminishing-solar-activity-may-bring-new-ice-age-by-2030/
    The Earth has been able to feed about 7.4 billion Human mouths with the current state of agriculture; how many will be fed with the loss of, say, the winter growing seasons, or even a summer growing season or two, is anyone’s guess and Europe did lose a summer season once or twice during the LIA.
    In contrast, the “Jon”‘s of the world were convinced with James Hanson’s severely flawed science that scared the country into spending lots of money back in Congressional testimony given in a small room one summer in the ’80’s, that was stifling hot because the a/c was turned off for added effect. The scares just keep coming from the warmista side of the aisle… it’s what they do.
    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”. H.L. Mencken
    There’s a real hobgoblin for you, “Jon”. Unlike a positive feedback driven warming event, it’s actually happened, and it happened in recent Western history with written records. Solar minimums are real and this one may actually occur in time to keep your political excesses in check.

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49. 

    George Rebane

    02 April 2016

    Gregory 257pm – Was going to comment on the SunEdison bankruptcy, then said ‘Nah!’, that’s Gregory’s conversation, he’ll pick it up 😉
    BTW, listening to the throngs of progressives and their know-nothing constituents about AGW, I think I know how it felt to be a Copernican when the sun had not yet set on Ptolemy. Scary.

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    Walt

    02 April 2016

    I posted the story of SunEdison going tits up last week. And,,, crickets.
    Uh, how soon does the free money for solar (subsidies) end? It’s in the near future. THEN lets see how well it holds it’s own. ( place your bets) Invest now “jon”. Take that five gallon water jug that contains your retirement fund to SPD and run it through the machine. (mostly pennies and nickles?) Invest in that energy you love so much.

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