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George Rebane

As did Hitler’s Brown Shirts, so have other socialist/communist thugs and roughnecks throughout recent history been the ones to physically disrupt the gatherings of their political opponents. This is what happened yesterday in Chicago at the planned Trump rally (here), and appears to be the start of this election season’s violent phase – expect more of such thuggery and violation of First Amendment rights from the Left.

Apparently this junction is the result of the Democrats finally realizing that Trump could beat anyone they nominate whether it be Hillary the Unindicted, Bernie the Communist (forget that ‘socialist’ crap), or even Foot-in-the-Mouth Joe. Were it not so, no one would care.  The Dems’ big money is beginning to fund anti-Trump activities and front their far-left ideologues which tactics bare their true assessment of what’s likely for this fall unless they can physically intervene, and, of course, have the lamestream blame it on the Right.

The astute reader will note and mark the Left/Right asymmetry in the coming travails. The only ones who will remain clueless about what’s going on are the gruberized local lefties here and elsewhere.  They’ll continue singing loudly some version of The Internationale for as long as it takes.  Trump should now cool his rhetoric, to which he has every right, and continue morphing into maximum presidential mode from here on.  Thoughts?


[13mar16 update]  This post has deservedly developed some very interesting and meaningful comment threads in its comment stream.  As the host of RR, I am again pleased.  Here I want to expand on my understanding of First Amendment (FA) rights which have been thoughtfully contended by at least two readers.

In its explicit reading our Constitution’s FA states – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Longtime readers will have encountered my own essay (here) on rights and privileges first published some years back and much debated since then.  In sum there I argue that all rights are granted by government (which in a republican democracy is the collective that enforces our social contract in the large).  And to the extent that a government does not enforce that or any right – either uniformly or selectively – operationally that right simply ceases to exist.

The contention is that the FA is “a limit on the power of the government (big or small) to restrict (an individual), not some right (for an individual) to speak and be heard.”  The interpretation of the FA over the last two centuries has been anything but so limited.  When we look at how the government has enforced the ability of individuals to communicate and/or speak freely in the public forum, we see that – due to the precise wording of the FA – they have mostly used other laws the effects of which become proximal to the occasion during which individuals hinder/stop free speech of other individuals.

When individuals attempt to violate FA rights, they almost always do that through some physical action that also and most clearly violates some other law intended to enforce privacy, maintain the peace, security in one’s person, prohibit trespassing, threaten violence, … .   It is then that government, when it selectively chooses, steps in and prevents such actions motivated by and proximal to the intent to deny free speech and/or FA rights.  That has been the clear method of enforcing the right to free speech in our Republic.  To argue that this technically is not the government enforcing the right to free speech is to my mind a specious twist of what has actually been happening in our society.   More importantly, it flies in the face of what we Americans have been taught to expect of government enforcing the Constitution – in short, such methods of guaranteeing the FA rights has made America what it is, and what continues to contribute to public peace.

As the definition of ‘speech’ has expanded in the latter half of the 20th century, a rich body of FA case law reaching all the way to SCOTUS has come on the books.  The currently celebrated Citizens United, which among other things forces privately owned media outlets to accept political advertising from private sources which is contrary to the ideology of its ownership, and thereby goes on to defend individuals’ and corporate funding of such messaging as an expression of free speech, is a case in point

Not being a student of constitutional law, I am unaware of any other parts of our Constitution than the FA that provide an umbrella mandate for the government’s guarantee of free speech.  There may be and no doubt are other provisions in that document that have been invoked invite/impel government to also enforce free speech rights.  If, how, and when the various arms of government continue to guarantee these rights, this election season may become the most important civics lesson of our lifetime.

[16mar16 update]  My interpretation of First Amendment’s support of private free speech continues to draw ever more strident opposition in the comment stream, opposition that has now ascended to ex cathedra levels.  I have also been advised civilly yet firmly to read up on the amendment, my previous scribblings apparently giving no evidence of that.  And all along I thought that I was a student of the pragmatic school of interpreting rights and privileges, and traveled in the good company of outfits like Heritage, Cato, and Founders like Madison.  The latter wrote to his fellow legislators – “The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.”

From my ‘Rights and Privileges’ A RIGHT is a codified permission to do, be, or have that is granted by an agency to its member individuals/agencies who have formed and maintain the granting agency to carry out their collective will in a manner that requires the agency to expend all necessary resources to insure that such granted rights are enjoyed uniformly by all of its franchised members.

The method by which governments (‘granting agencies’) convey and guarantee rights is by forcefully and through force of law act to prevent any third parties from depriving or abridging a person’s ability to do, be, or have what is permitted, and also constraining its own actions in the same manner and to the same degree.  Pertaining to rights, anything beyond that is perfidious pabulum.  For example, no matter how strongly I abhor Nazi ideology, I cannot deprive or abridge present day Nazis from proselytizing, marching, waving flags, etc in the public fora any more than I can do that to a 4-H club or the parading Shriners.  Were I to attempt such interdiction, some law enforcement agency of government would swing into action to thwart me, and depending how I resist, would even kill me to protect such expressions of free speech.

This interpretation has a long history in our country, and is especially relevant in the last decades as “today's free speech and free press law is not much influenced by original meaning. It is mostly the creature of the experience and thinking of the twentieth century”.  Within this thought and practice, there remains “a small set of rather narrow exceptions to free speech protection” among which we can count incitement, false statements of facts (knowing lies), obscenity, child pornography, threats, fighting words, and words “owned by others” (intellectual property).

For Heritage, UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh also advises us that “free speech/press law is sometimes called the tax code of constitutional law. (Its discussion) suggests how complex the law is, but while some of the complexity may be needless, much of it is inevitable. Communication is in many ways the most complicated of human activities, and no simple rule can properly deal with all the different kinds of harms that it can cause—or all the different kinds of harms that restricting communication can cause.”

I hope that I’ve made clear my own humble perspective on the matter; I do tend to be the pragmatist, especially when it comes to viewing the behavior of collectives like government and in the professed practice of technology – avoid quo vadis, just watch their feet.  From my own studies, anyone speaking with certitude on what the Constitution and case law summarily conclude about free speech is definitely riding the high horse of hubris.  As with preventable global warming, the debate is far from over.  So by all means, let the debate continue.

[20mar16 update] Some random observations about the ever widening differences between the people of the Left and Right.  We now hear that more leftwing thugs in Arizona have shut down a highway leading to a Trump campaign venue, and have also had to be removed from preventing supporters entry into the venue.  Since Bolshevik times denying or disrupting the free speech of the opposition has been the hallmark, or litmus test if you will, of the collectivists under whatever banner they gather.   It’s the indelible proof that the Left’s ideas are bankrupt, and cannot contend on their own in the marketplace of ideas even when the audiences have been dumbed down.

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177 responses to “The Stop Trump Terrorists (updated 20mar16)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I watched it last night and did a article as well. I know when the the left gets desperate they always go violent. I was informed the Truckee troll is now claiming we locals are violent. Even though we all “disavow” it. That is what the commies like Frisch do, Alinsky is proud of Frisch. So is Bill Ayers, one of Frisch’s heroes. And Ayers murdered cops! You can’t make this stuff up when it comes to liberal/commie hypocrisy.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Damn… no, I hadn’t seen GR’s latest when I posted my 10:45 to the Sandbox.
    Yes, disrupting peaceful meetings of those opposed to the Nazis by handfuls of Brownshirts was Hitler’s tactic on his way towards absolute power.
    Lefties, this will not lead to your victory.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    More interested to see if jeffy will bounce Steve permanently for incorrect use of “siting”…..you know how much that upsets The Nations Editor.

    George then bounced me from his blog permanently because he took umbrage at what he believed was me making some reference to what his father was doing working as a electrician under Third Reich occupation. Actually I was just siting a historical fact.

    cite
    sīt/Submit
    verb
    1.quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly work.
    synonyms: quote, reproduce More
    mention as an example.
    “medics have been cited as a key example of a modern breed of technical expert”
    synonyms: refer to, make reference to, mention, allude to, adduce, instance; More
    praise (someone, typically a member of the armed forces) for a courageous act in an official dispatch.
    synonyms: commend, pay tribute to, praise
    “he has been cited many times”
    LAW-adduce a former tried case as a guide to deciding a comparable case or in support of an argument.
    2. LAW
    summon (someone) to appear in a court of law.
    “the summons cited four of the defendants”
    synonyms: summon, summons, serve with a summons, serve with a writ, subpoena
    “the writ cited four of the signatories”
    nounUS
    noun: cite; plural noun: cites
    1. a citation.
    late Middle English (sense 2 of the verb): from Old French citer, from Latin citare, from ciere, cire ‘to call.’

    You’re welcome.
    …and if George “bounced” you permanently why have I seen you as recently as 2 or so months ago?

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – Mr Frisch knows what has made him persona non grata on RR – his baseless allegations and inflammatory lies about me and my family’s past, as we were fortunate to survive WW2 while experiencing and being witness to its most violent and tragic episodes, exceeded my tolerance threshold. However, my friends and colleagues have always pointed out that one of my weaknesses (there are more) is an unrequited readiness to forgive and go on. Were Mr Frisch to show some contrition re his past personal insults and lies (here and elsewhere), he would again be a welcome contributor to these comment streams.

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Are you sure he is not here on the down low already?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    GeorgeR, you are a much more forgiving man than I. I once knew a woman whose husband beat the crap out of her over and over. Each time he sobered up and said he would never do it again. She had a good heart took him back numerous times until he finally killed her. Frisch is like the drunk man who doesn’t even remember his transgressions. He is unforgivable, nasty and mean spirited. He is a taker and unrepentant for his tax fraud of his employees. He is a piece of dog excrement. But if you think he will ever change, I say good luck and happy days. LOL!

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    You forgive to free yourself, not the other guy. Forgiveness stops giving the slow, the lame, the violent free rent in yer head. I already forgive this guy. I am happy. He is an unhappy anal cavity. I will go to sleep not thinking about him. He will lie awake thinking about us. Forgiveness is the way to happiness and peace. We can only hope he finds whatever it takes to fill that empty void in his tortured soul so the cold wind quits blowing right through him. May God rest his soul.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/black-man-who-stormed-and-disrupted-trump-rally-is-blacklivesmatter-activist-mercutio-southall-jr/

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  8. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    I agree with the thrust of this article but must take exception to the notion of, “…violation of First Amendment rights from the Left.” The First Amendment prohibits Congress from abridging freedom of speech. The incorporation doctrine has extended the First Amendment to the States and their Counties but not (yet) to NGOs, businesses, and individuals. This is not mere pedantry. Proper application of the Constitution serves to protect it and therefore the rights it protects.
    For pedantry I’ll add that “juncture,” rather than “junction,” would have better suited the intended meaning of the second paragraph’s first sentence.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Excellent point, Mr. Kesti. And may I add (as if you had a choice) that you have shown remarkable restraint these past few weeks. I have often wondered if you skipped reading my prose or just took the high road and pretended not to see certain unorthodox sentence structures. It’s hard to soar with eagles when flying with turkeys such a moi. You are a tolerant man. A good man is hard to find, IMHO.
    Now, if I was a regular Joe Republican sitting on my man chair in Ohio watching the TV and seeing how The Berner Lives Matter are acting out, I might just feel like “unno, this is wrong, wrong, wrong.. Think I will switch my vote to Trump to send a message to them this is not right. We don’t reward bad behavior in these parts. Besides, I wanna keep The Governor here at home. He is doing a great job.”
    Don’t scoff. I have seen it happen a thousand times. Strikes at our innate fairness and justice thing we were born with. Poor Trump is the castigated underdog. He needs our help to right this wrong.. . We are, after all, on a mission from God.

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Kesti is right (unless the government chooses not to extend protection to speakers because the government wishes their speech to be suppressed by the perpetrators), but the harassers really are committing acts of trespass, assault, disturbing the peace, battery and incitements to riot and those are generally criminal in nature.
    You have a right to protest in public spaces but you don’t have the right to crash a private party, to disrupt the party, to grab or threaten invited partygoers or to not leave voluntarily when asked to leave.
    I expect it won’t end well for the Trump Tormentors if they keep going down this road. This is community organizing at work.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelK 344pm – I’ll give you ‘juncture’, was typing too fast for the ol’ brain to throw in the proper word.
    But you strike out on the First Amendment. The Constitution mandates that the government guarantees constitutional rights to each and every one of us, rights which may be violated by anyone and not necessarily Congress or anyone else restricted to government.
    Batting 500 is good in any league 😉

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “The Constitution mandates that the government guarantees constitutional rights to each and every one of us…”… umm, yes, except the right remains a limit on the power of the government (big or small) to restrict you, not some right to speak and be heard.
    I think your 3rd sentence is on the clumsy side and mistakes the intervention to keep the peace or eject tresspassers as a 1st Amendment protection action. It is not.
    Let’s revisit the thing, lots of power in very few words:
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
    Now there are limits to these… you have the right to petition the Government for redress of grievances, but you won’t get in to see your Congresscritter in Warshington [intentional misspelling for Jeffie to get excited about] if you don’t have a government issued photo ID. Imagine that.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Free speech and rights. Well, if I walk into a theater in the round to disrupt the fine actors, skilled actresses, and peaceful audience while purposely knocking over some props for effect, I am exercising what is known as disorderly conduct.
    Now, if I put on a….say…a San Diego Charger uniform and get real liquored up and walk in the Black Hole known as The Oakland Coliseum during a Raiders’ game and act like a total jerk…….well, let’s look at the big picture, shall we? I probably will not get arrested or escorted out with my designated driver. I have a right to my free expression and right to assemble. However, there will be some old coots, some young millennials, some blacks, whites, Mexicans, legals, illegals, and a boatload of wild angry women of all shapes, sizes, and ages opening a can of Whop-Ass on my head.
    Discretion is the better part of valor.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The Freedom of speech is not a restriction on anyone or a grant from the government. It is as free as the air. It pertains to any speech by any entity. Except for those restrictions carved out by SCOTUS (of which we can all agree or not) Here are the words
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[78]”
    I read it as a prohibition on the government trying to restrict any speech. Plain language to me.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    Men have formed collectives called government for millennia. The prime role of government – from benign to tyrannies – has been to guarantee the security of its citizens/subjects from outsiders and each other, else they revolt or become mad max vigilantes. Our Founders gave us a constitutional government that doubled down on its obligations to provide an environment to keep us secure, peaceful, and have the ability to pursue prosperity. To argue that our founding document does not encumber our government with such obligations boggles the mind. Without the government to guarantee that aspect of our social contract forces the alternative of neighbor on neighbor warfare – civilization breaks down.

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  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, you’re completely misrepresenting and misunderstanding my argument (probably Kesti’s, too)… the keeping of the peace by law enforcement is virtually unrelated to any 1st Amendment issues. Any. In fact, when the Bill of Rights was new, it didn’t even apply to states or towns… only a restriction on Congress and the Federal guv.
    No cop has ever arrested an individual for violating the 1st amendment rights of another. There is no such law. There are laws regarding trespass, for example, but it doesn’t matter whether an activity being interfered with was speech or a blowjob.
    .

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Trump is a dream come true for the Dems. They are singing in the streets that he is going to be the nominee.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Todd, it does say Congress shall make no law abridging the right of people to peacefully assemble, does it not? That is Congress. As agents of Government, are not domestic LE required to make sure our rights to a peaceful assembly are not abridged? To protect and serve and all that stuff.
    Ok, that was what lawyers can argue about until the cows come home. The Leftists and Pinkos have found a chink in the armor. They will use it over and over and over again, just like commercials of Paul Ryan pushing poor granny over the cliff in 2012. And claim it wasn’t them, it was some PAC, lol. Expect the dog to return to its vomit on all Trump rallies going forward.
    The Big Guns now are the Internationalists and International Corporations gunning for Trump. Romney and Co could only make us wobble a bit last Saturday, but we were feeling good last Tuesday after getting our land legs back.. They may cluster bomb us on a Friday night, but Super Tuesday is a’coming. They may do their wicked dastardly deeds on Good Friday, but Easter Sunday follows (to use a Western Civ analogy).
    Bring it on!! It’s now been made very clear. It’s the American Trump voter against the entire globe. David vs Goliath. We are small, they are big. They are mighty, we just have our little ballots and hope.
    This is a sure test of the Great Experiement. Do you trust the people or not??. Will evil prevail? I trust the people, that ragtag group of simpleton uncouth misfits. The shot heard around the world was fired from rural American. I trust us, therefore I feel good.
    Rough seas and storm clouds gathering in mass. Darn the torpedoes, full steam ahead. “I fell real good, like they told me I would now”. I feeeeel good!. Us against the World is a great spot to be.
    Oh, Trumps numbers have been stuck around 38%-almost 40% for a long spell now among the divided R’s. Don’t be surprised to see them hovering around 45% after this. Little by little we chip at the dam like a master stonecutter until..until..Whoa Nelly, the dam is busting!

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  19. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Interesting close Gregory, good thread, not surprised it is a ‘jon’ free conversation.

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “They are singing in the streets that he is going to be the nominee”
    Paul, that’s a strange description of sending thugs to disrupt his rallies and provoke his supporters.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, I will not trader. Rebane’s patience any further today. One more for the road:
    http://www.teaparty.org/chicago-rampage-leader-sanders-surrogate-148688/
    Later. Exciting times, bro.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Opps. Auto correct working OT. Meant to say I will not try Dr. Rebane’s patience……
    This time I am going. And I mean it….after proofreading.

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  23. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    George Rebane | 12 March 2016 at 04:18 PM
    If you are correct, George, then the FUE and you are in violation of the First Amendment because you both prohibit some from posting on your respective blogs.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Gregory, I think the anti=abortion people on the sidewalks in front of those clinics was adjudicated on the free speech platform. People were arrested. So there have been cops arresting people for practicing free speech. Of course I could be wrong.
    It appears there is some confusion on the issue. Congress shall make no law keeps them out of it does it not? Therefore, speech from anyone or any entity is allowed. There is no requirement for a free individual to allow speech on their platforms from others. NO LAW. So George is right.

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Back for a quickie.
    Trump has out foxed, out maneuvered, out planned, and old smarted every enemy, foreign and domestic. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you “Trump the Victim.”
    Boy, sometimes a lucky break just falls in your lap.
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/megyn-kelly-defends-trump-against-protesters-you-can-oppose-him-but-is-this-the-way/
    Even my two formerly favorite conservative junkie sites went strong anti-Trump awhile back and are rushing to defend his rights. Them protestors violated his rights as well as all the nice salt of the earth families that made a great effort to hear Citizen Trump. They are the true victims, lol. A unifying moment if you will….

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Keep believing that Paul. The “Burn” is circling the drain, no matter how fast he swims.
    The LIBS just won’t have him, and the fix is in for the criminal.
    It’s going to be Trump, maybe Cruz to swagger into the big showdown at high noon.
    The GOP hate them both… Equally.
    You don’t see those on the Right pulling the disruptive shit LIBS do. Even at the Tea Party rallies we could count on at least one or two instigators looking to try and make the folks look bad.( Remember.. NO trouble what so ever was caused by the Tea Party, no matter how hard the LIBS tried to make it look. Then the press resorted to a blackout of anything TP.
    Now it’s “Blame Trump!!” It’s all HIS fault!!!!”

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  27. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Paul@05:41PM
    “Singing in the streets?” That is not the way some analysts see the disruptive action. The Democrats are scared sh*tless that Trump will win the nomination as up to 20% of Democrats have been crossing over in those states that allow cross-party voting in primaries. Trump rallies have been attracting blacks, Latinos and other minorities in higher numbers than past Republican candidates from low-income communities. These communities recognize for the last seven years the Democrats have screwed them, time and time again. Hope and change did nothing for them, but make health care more expensive, force companies to move plants overseas along with their jobs. Restrictive regulations have prevented community members them from starting small business.
    Those disrupters were sent, organized on Facebook and Twitter, by paid coordinators with links to Democrat big money, according to talk radio. Which seem about right to me, and with money behind the disrupters there will be many more disruption of Trump events. Note, they are not disrupting Cruz, Rubino or Kasich events, as Trump is the most likely winner of the Republican nomination, according to a top Democrat Consultant on the news. So, the Democrats are aware that Trump is the most likely candidate unless they can take him down, and force the Republican to nominate a person who is not attracting large numbers of low-income Democrat voters. Stay tuned, the current disruptions are only the beginning of the season on Trump, all paid for by big money Democrats.

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  28. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    strike “them” from last sentence in the first paragraph.

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  29. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    In support of my 08:19PM post, found on Drudge
    InforWars.com:
    Ilya Sheyman, a failed Illinois contender for Congress and the executive director of MoveOn.org Political Action, has taken credit for the violence at a cancelled Trump event last night in Chicago. He promised similar violence and disruption will occur at future Trump political events leading up to the election.
    “Mr. Trump and the Republican leaders who support him and his hate-filled rhetoric should be on notice after tonight’s events,” on the George Soros funded MoveOn web page. “To all of those who took to the streets of Chicago, we say thank you for standing up and saying enough is enough. To Donald Trump, and the GOP, we say, welcome to the general election.”

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Russ @ 8:44 pm
    Baptism by Fire. Thanks for the welcome mat George Soros. In return, we have a little gift for you as well. Stay tuned.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Russ, are you saying that the Road to the White House goes through Trump?
    Walt, well, we made it through another day, another news cycle. It was all Trump, all day…again. Heard there were some primaries or caucuses going on somewhere today, but can’t find out because all the news is about Trump. Oh yeah, some unindentified sea creature washed up somewhere in Mexico or someplace. Odd.

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  32. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Trump 3rd in Wyoming. All generally downhill from here, save the continued nasty incidents at Trump Rallies. GOP Nominee? Who the hell knows?
    If Kasich wins Ohio, Oh My….
    A Democrat will win the Presidency 2016.
    …but I already told you that months ago.

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  33. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Trump running at 7% in Wyoming.
    All downhill from here.
    Best wishes boys. John Kasich is your only hope. 🙂

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  34. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Those disrupters were sent, organized on Facebook and Twitter, by paid coordinators with links to Democrat big money, according to talk radio.”
    So Say Russ Steele
    Agreed. I would expect that from “talk radio.” Ah yes, the old “According to talk radio”. Same validity as saying “according to North Korean news sources.”

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    Re First Amendment. My 418pm made a true statement about government’s obligation to enforce First Amendment rights. Some readers misconstrue enforcement of such rights to occur only when police arrest someone for their violation. And some others misunderstand the right to be violated if a person is prevented from expressing themselves within a private venue such as RR.
    Government has mostly enforced and guaranteed First Amendment rights through the courts. The case law for that is rich beyond expression. And I have no obligation to let anyone express themselves in these pages.
    First Amendment rights are important, complex, and misunderstood. Here is one compendium of court cases and case law about which I have been talking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_cases_involving_the_First_Amendment

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, can you find one of those 1st amendment cases that doesn’t involve the legality of Government abridgment of speech… the fine line between protected (from government abridgment) and unprotected (from government abridgment) speech.
    The government’s enforcing of 1st amendment rights is always (iirc) about restricting governmental entities that are violating the 1st amendment, one of the fine checks and balances that keep the judicial, legislative and executive branches in the places, most of the time, eventually. I sanity checked this by hitting your wiki list above and of the five or so, all were as I expected. Could you find a case that wasn’t about a government misdeed, real or imagined?
    PS do you agree that “Jon” is probably a person or persons you’ve banished from the RR reservation, but are trespassing despite your having asked them to go away? And, btw, I do think you were libeled by Stephen Frisch over at Pelline’s blog on Saturday.

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  37. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    According to our local lefties the Chicago Disruption was all Trumps fault but the Daily Caller has a list and some background on the groups that planned and executed the disruption are here:
    Here Are The Radical Leftist Anti-Tump Groups Behind The Chicago Protest
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/12/here-are-the-radical-leftist-anti-tump-groups-behind-the-chicago-protest/

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  38. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    How Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago
    When Ja’Mal Green, a prominent black activist and Bernie Sanders supporter in Chicago, saw that Donald Trump was coming to the University of Illinois Chicago, he knew what he had to do. “Everyone, get your tickets to this. We’re all going in!!!! ‪#‎SHUTITDOWN‬,” he posted on Facebook last week.
    Little did he know they actually would shut it down.
    Friday night, hundreds of protesters invaded Trump’s rally while thousands more marched outside, leading the candidate to abruptly cancel the event due to safety concerns. The night spun out from there, as angry Trump fans clashed with protesters, who saw the shutdown as a victory.
    Protesters interrupt virtually every Trump speech. But what made Chicago different were its scale and the organization behind the effort. Hundreds of young, largely black and brown people poured in from across the city, taking over whole sections of the arena and bracing for trouble.
    And as the repeated chants of “Bernie” demonstrated, it was largely organized by supporters of Bernie Sanders, the Democratic presidential candidate who has struggled to win over black voters, but whose revolutionary streak has excited radicals of all colors.
    “Remember the #TrumpRally wasn’t just luck. It took organizers from dozens of organizations and thousands of people to pull off. Great work,” tweeted People for Bernie, a large unofficial pro-Sanders organization founded by veterans of the Occupy movement and other lefty activists. [My emphasis added, it was a well planned attack.]
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago#

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  39. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul; I would not get that excited. I know a lot of Democrats that love Trump. In fact some that shocked the crap out of me. They like his trade stance and union guys like him. I am not a huge fan and am having difficulties figuring out what is going on with the general public, but I am starting to think that he is going to be the President. He is not conservative and he is not liberal. He is just a guy with no political baggage and tells it like it is. I would not be surprised if he wins 44 states.

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    A quote:
    “Everybody’s talking about the angry white voters who are putting Donald Trump on a fast track to the White House. Who are they? Where do they come from? And, why are they so angry? In my view, only Washington insiders could ask such a stupid question.”
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207861995015146&set=a.4397414540872.172910.1453756138&type=3&theater

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1258am – I am not aware of who ‘jon’ is. He could indeed be a sackhead I have banished who has come back to comment in a more civil mode. And yes, I believe Steven Frisch has libeled me and continues to do so at every opportunity. Just got another designated reader email this morning. On FUE’s blog he blatantly lies about what I have stated, what I believe, and why he was bounced from RR. Now he gets to snipe from a distance to a like-minded and uncritical audience.
    Am enjoying the First Amendment exchange, please see today’s update to my post.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I would suggest Frisch is a prime example of why America is in deep trouble. Not only did he fail miserably at free enterprise, he has figured out through a “non-profit” to make a lot of money off the taxpayers. You have to give him credit for tomfoolery and the ability to divert attention.
    What is fascinating to me is people like Frisch somehow manage to gain notoriety in his town instead of chastisement. A real good used car salesman.
    But lying about others is a liberal systemic problem and he is no different than the typical run of the mill commie/fascist.

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  43. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    The Nasty Feedback of Open Boarders Politics
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative CDU party was humiliated in key regional elections on Sunday as voters delivered their verdict at the ballot box about her open-door refugee policies.
    Exit poll results in three out of 16 German states foretell a wipeout in next year’s general election as the hard-right capitalized on public disquiet and altered the political landscape forever.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3489936/Angela-Merkel-set-punished-voters-open-door-refugee-policy-Germany-s-Super-Sunday-state-elections.html
    The presidential candidates need to take notice of what is happening to Angela Merkel’s political future, it does not look good. The US has an open border problem that needs to be fixed, as Trump explains in a language voters understand. It could be the issue that assures his election.

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Interesting topic and update. The protections of free speech where the rubber meets the road appears to be in what venue violations/protections occur. One poster has already cited inciting to riot, disturbing the peace, trespassing, and what I call disorderly conduct as methods LE to protect peaceful assembly and speech.
    In what venue? There are different policies for different places. I imagine the rules for getting kicked out of a rock concert are different that being 86’ed from a street fair or a dog park. Do they still have those signs prominently displayed in every bar and restaurant and business that proclaim “We reserve the right to refuse ervice to anyone”? Probably illegal to even possess one nowadays. Just kidding.
    It is growing increasing cloudy which law s being violated while lawfully and peacefully practicing the 1st Amendent. A recent news blob from last week comes to mind.
    http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/10/attorney-general-lynch-looking-into-prosecuting-climate-change-deniers/

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