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George Rebane

As did Hitler’s Brown Shirts, so have other socialist/communist thugs and roughnecks throughout recent history been the ones to physically disrupt the gatherings of their political opponents. This is what happened yesterday in Chicago at the planned Trump rally (here), and appears to be the start of this election season’s violent phase – expect more of such thuggery and violation of First Amendment rights from the Left.

Apparently this junction is the result of the Democrats finally realizing that Trump could beat anyone they nominate whether it be Hillary the Unindicted, Bernie the Communist (forget that ‘socialist’ crap), or even Foot-in-the-Mouth Joe. Were it not so, no one would care.  The Dems’ big money is beginning to fund anti-Trump activities and front their far-left ideologues which tactics bare their true assessment of what’s likely for this fall unless they can physically intervene, and, of course, have the lamestream blame it on the Right.

The astute reader will note and mark the Left/Right asymmetry in the coming travails. The only ones who will remain clueless about what’s going on are the gruberized local lefties here and elsewhere.  They’ll continue singing loudly some version of The Internationale for as long as it takes.  Trump should now cool his rhetoric, to which he has every right, and continue morphing into maximum presidential mode from here on.  Thoughts?


[13mar16 update]  This post has deservedly developed some very interesting and meaningful comment threads in its comment stream.  As the host of RR, I am again pleased.  Here I want to expand on my understanding of First Amendment (FA) rights which have been thoughtfully contended by at least two readers.

In its explicit reading our Constitution’s FA states – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Longtime readers will have encountered my own essay (here) on rights and privileges first published some years back and much debated since then.  In sum there I argue that all rights are granted by government (which in a republican democracy is the collective that enforces our social contract in the large).  And to the extent that a government does not enforce that or any right – either uniformly or selectively – operationally that right simply ceases to exist.

The contention is that the FA is “a limit on the power of the government (big or small) to restrict (an individual), not some right (for an individual) to speak and be heard.”  The interpretation of the FA over the last two centuries has been anything but so limited.  When we look at how the government has enforced the ability of individuals to communicate and/or speak freely in the public forum, we see that – due to the precise wording of the FA – they have mostly used other laws the effects of which become proximal to the occasion during which individuals hinder/stop free speech of other individuals.

When individuals attempt to violate FA rights, they almost always do that through some physical action that also and most clearly violates some other law intended to enforce privacy, maintain the peace, security in one’s person, prohibit trespassing, threaten violence, … .   It is then that government, when it selectively chooses, steps in and prevents such actions motivated by and proximal to the intent to deny free speech and/or FA rights.  That has been the clear method of enforcing the right to free speech in our Republic.  To argue that this technically is not the government enforcing the right to free speech is to my mind a specious twist of what has actually been happening in our society.   More importantly, it flies in the face of what we Americans have been taught to expect of government enforcing the Constitution – in short, such methods of guaranteeing the FA rights has made America what it is, and what continues to contribute to public peace.

As the definition of ‘speech’ has expanded in the latter half of the 20th century, a rich body of FA case law reaching all the way to SCOTUS has come on the books.  The currently celebrated Citizens United, which among other things forces privately owned media outlets to accept political advertising from private sources which is contrary to the ideology of its ownership, and thereby goes on to defend individuals’ and corporate funding of such messaging as an expression of free speech, is a case in point

Not being a student of constitutional law, I am unaware of any other parts of our Constitution than the FA that provide an umbrella mandate for the government’s guarantee of free speech.  There may be and no doubt are other provisions in that document that have been invoked invite/impel government to also enforce free speech rights.  If, how, and when the various arms of government continue to guarantee these rights, this election season may become the most important civics lesson of our lifetime.

[16mar16 update]  My interpretation of First Amendment’s support of private free speech continues to draw ever more strident opposition in the comment stream, opposition that has now ascended to ex cathedra levels.  I have also been advised civilly yet firmly to read up on the amendment, my previous scribblings apparently giving no evidence of that.  And all along I thought that I was a student of the pragmatic school of interpreting rights and privileges, and traveled in the good company of outfits like Heritage, Cato, and Founders like Madison.  The latter wrote to his fellow legislators – “The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.”

From my ‘Rights and Privileges’ A RIGHT is a codified permission to do, be, or have that is granted by an agency to its member individuals/agencies who have formed and maintain the granting agency to carry out their collective will in a manner that requires the agency to expend all necessary resources to insure that such granted rights are enjoyed uniformly by all of its franchised members.

The method by which governments (‘granting agencies’) convey and guarantee rights is by forcefully and through force of law act to prevent any third parties from depriving or abridging a person’s ability to do, be, or have what is permitted, and also constraining its own actions in the same manner and to the same degree.  Pertaining to rights, anything beyond that is perfidious pabulum.  For example, no matter how strongly I abhor Nazi ideology, I cannot deprive or abridge present day Nazis from proselytizing, marching, waving flags, etc in the public fora any more than I can do that to a 4-H club or the parading Shriners.  Were I to attempt such interdiction, some law enforcement agency of government would swing into action to thwart me, and depending how I resist, would even kill me to protect such expressions of free speech.

This interpretation has a long history in our country, and is especially relevant in the last decades as “today's free speech and free press law is not much influenced by original meaning. It is mostly the creature of the experience and thinking of the twentieth century”.  Within this thought and practice, there remains “a small set of rather narrow exceptions to free speech protection” among which we can count incitement, false statements of facts (knowing lies), obscenity, child pornography, threats, fighting words, and words “owned by others” (intellectual property).

For Heritage, UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh also advises us that “free speech/press law is sometimes called the tax code of constitutional law. (Its discussion) suggests how complex the law is, but while some of the complexity may be needless, much of it is inevitable. Communication is in many ways the most complicated of human activities, and no simple rule can properly deal with all the different kinds of harms that it can cause—or all the different kinds of harms that restricting communication can cause.”

I hope that I’ve made clear my own humble perspective on the matter; I do tend to be the pragmatist, especially when it comes to viewing the behavior of collectives like government and in the professed practice of technology – avoid quo vadis, just watch their feet.  From my own studies, anyone speaking with certitude on what the Constitution and case law summarily conclude about free speech is definitely riding the high horse of hubris.  As with preventable global warming, the debate is far from over.  So by all means, let the debate continue.

[20mar16 update] Some random observations about the ever widening differences between the people of the Left and Right.  We now hear that more leftwing thugs in Arizona have shut down a highway leading to a Trump campaign venue, and have also had to be removed from preventing supporters entry into the venue.  Since Bolshevik times denying or disrupting the free speech of the opposition has been the hallmark, or litmus test if you will, of the collectivists under whatever banner they gather.   It’s the indelible proof that the Left’s ideas are bankrupt, and cannot contend on their own in the marketplace of ideas even when the audiences have been dumbed down.

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177 responses to “The Stop Trump Terrorists (updated 20mar16)”

  1. Bill Toze Avatar
    Bill Toze

    I went over to enemy terrory to see what Jon was filling his mind with. Nice digs, food was good. Everything nice. Real nice. So nice it explains why the Hillary Dump Trump Now is shooting flames with out the Hemi Turbo DNC Machine and revved up to a disturbing crescendo pitch. Hey, it’s only March. Top of the 3rd. Long way to go until the 7th inning stretch.
    The Democrats ran a weak candidate. So weak that even a knuckledragger like Trump has a outside chance to beat her. How low can you go?
    Not enough lipstick in the world to dress up this pig. What, me worry?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/think-again-hillary-democ_b_9495560.html?

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  2. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter
  3. Bill Toze Avatar
    Bill Toze

    Thankyou kindly, Mr. drivebyposter, much appreciated. This should get the exploding heads going. Ear plug time. 🙂
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-joe-arpaio-sheriff-arizona-220980

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  4. Walt Avatar

    Burnie’s boys and gals are out in force in Salt Lake. As the Berkeley line says.
    ” you can say anything you like, just as “we” agree with what you say”. Nope, they don’t like what Trump says, so do your damndest to keep him from saying it.
    Judging by the crowd,more like who is in the crowd),, not many can actually vote.
    More than a few felony drug convictions. Now where did those freeloaders get money for those expensive phones? (Mamma and Daddy?)

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  5. Walt Avatar

    Trump can’t be all bad, when America’s best loved Sheriff is a Trump guy.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-joe-arpaio-sheriff-arizona-220980

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  6. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Is anyone surprised that the cop union who covered the Trump event arena in Chicago is complaining that the Chief told them to leave normal crowd control gear at home. Basic items like gloves and pepper spray and no special gear ready in cars. The Union says the event would not have spun out of control and could have gone on fine if they were allowed their gear and allowed to follow standard procedures. Sounds like the Chief was a friend of comrade Bernie.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Not surprised one bit. But did you hear that Sanders got the under age the ability to vote in Iowa? Like a good Commie,,” by any means necessary”.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272283-sanders-sues-to-allow-17-year-olds-to-vote-in-ohio
    Lets see how those 17 going on 30 like the idea of working for free, and some gov. bureaucrat gets to decide just who needs what, and if and when.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 833pm – I guess he wants them as dumb as could be to swallow the swill he’s ladling out. And here I thought the man had principles 😦

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  9. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So what does society get with years of gruberization with a 10 point drop in IQ?

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  10. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “This one is really funny. Don’t worry about a few protesters at Trumps rallies,the real danger is a RIOT at the Repub convention according to Trump himself if he gets denied the nomination. You can’t make this stuff up. this is going to hard to blame on Bernie.”
    P. Emery
    James Carville on CNN in 2008:
    “Let me be clear, I said you can call the dogs and light the fire and leave the house. I think it sounds over. Now let me be clear here, if Obama goes in this race with a 5- point lead and losing this election, the consequences are — bull, man. I mean I don’t think that’s going to happen, but I think David it’s a point to bring up. But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there.”

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Well now. Sanders is no fan fan of the good sheriff. Nor can the “Burn” take the heat.
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/18/poor-sport-sanders-walks-out-of-interview-after-questions-about-sheriff-arpaio-video/

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ole Mean Joe done crashed Mrs. Sander’s bake sale at the border. Shocking. The Senator himself called Tent City’s conditions abhorant. Well, he wasn’t complaining when he did his Tent City thing at Burning Man.
    Yo Walt. I’ll take Cruz as a backup. Look, Beck may be right. But, it’s too late. It’s too late. In case people have not noticed (being distracted by the enthusiasm of the street fighting boys and girls out there demonstrating), the real news is it’s game on.
    Mr. Walt, no need to wait for Conventions. It’s Trump and Hillary scrapping right now. It was not suppose to happen this way. It is not the time. But somebody forget to tell Hillary and The Donald. Is on!! This is it. Forget the calender. Yes, it should be premature to start the No Holds Barred Cage Match now, but it has started. Improv.
    Kinda like Gettysburg. A smal skirmish between the opposing sides, some reinforcements coming in to aid their fellows, then more rushing in and before you know it, some currier tells the generals it’s game on. General scoffs, it’s not according to plan or time or place. Hey, generals, take a gander at all the bodies laying around the battlefield. It’s on.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Classic Trump.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opinion/sunday/will-trump-be-dumped.html
    Looks like Trump will lose the Mormon vote in Utah. No worries. He is at 65% in NY. No, I won’t trade you a Utah for a New York State.
    BTW, nobody but me has mentioned (albeit awhile back) that NY is in play in the general. Blasphemous! Just a narrow swath, not indicative of anything, eh Jon?
    And as predicted, the demonstrators have pushed Trump’s numbers from 38-40% to near 49% among the GOP. Yes, it’s a grand old party for sure. I would have settled for 45%, but this year is full of surprises.

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Bill.. How many do you think changed their vote to Trump when Burnie’s brownshirts held up traffic?

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Bill Tozer | 20 March 2016 at 08:23 AM
    Looks like Trump will lose the Mormon vote in Utah.

    Shame that…..it was crucial to Romneys drubbing of Obama in 2012.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Walt. Hard to say. Here is an article written by a Dem that tells it like it is. He articulated what we have known for awhile. That Obama may love America, but not Americans. And the left does not like middle class white Americans either. Neither does the media. In fact, the only group left that is OK to disparage and be prejudiced about are working class white Americans. From Jon to Boardman, they just can’t hide it, nor do they see any reason to. Thus, I am with Trump. I have no other options.
    Written by a long time Dem:
    http://nypost.com/2016/03/19/why-its-time-for-a-trump-revolution/
    I hate to be so shallow, but I look at Cruz and feel nothing. In fact, I don’t even like looking at his face for an unknown reason. Sorry, he will fit the bill but it’s hard to see if he has a personality in there somewhere. Just my shallow opinion. A little personality can cover a multitude of sins and go a long way. Cruz lacks something I can’t articulate, but he will do in a pinch.
    Now, about the Berner Brownshirts. Last week’s news. Nope, the real agitators will be coming from the Clinton Camp, the DNC, and every foreign nation funneling it through their American registered lobbyists’ PACs. It’s game on. Bernie’s boys and girls are just fill in substitutes until the Big Guns set up camp. Like I was back in the day, just a youthful substitute. Rebels without jobs tend to move on and stop out. The Big Guns flying in have enough money and organization to keep this up daily for the next 3 months. Sure, some home grown, but the lions share will be Astro-Turf, to quote that Frisco lib.
    Poor libs. They are going to have to congregate in Cleveland, lol. Cleveland? What an armpit, like Acron. Poor libs are going to have to get rooms in Cleveland of all places. Not even people who live near Cleveland go to Cleveland. As the old joke goes, name one good astronaut that has ever came out of Ohio. Remember,I said good. Nothing is sacred to a short while.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    Loving America but not Americans is a notion beyond my meager capabilities. Besides, there is not a smidgeon of evidence that Obama loves either.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 20 March 2016 at 10:22 AM
    Loving America but not Americans is a notion beyond my meager capabilities.

    It’s really not that difficult George….just have to learn to focus.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3500937/Horror-movie-style-scenes-people-slump-stupefied-state-Tampa-spice-drug-use-spirals-control.html

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    When I said loving America, I was giving President Obama way beyond the benefit of doubt to move to the more important point. He, like all elitists from every political bent, think white working Ameticans are just a bunch of crackers sitting in their rockers clinging to their guns and Good Book yearning for a time that never was or is or will be. O may love America in a perverse way, but has utter contempt for any American who is not him. Ok, he is a good father, so he probably does not hate on his girls. Remember, he said he represents those who did not vote, lol. The ones who voted in 2014 are the ones he holds in contempt. Them are the ones he hates.

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    You know its a strange kind of election cycle when you see a video of a black Trump supporter beat down 2 Bernie bros in KKK hoods at a Trump event.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 20 March 2016 at 10:58 AM
    You know its a strange kind of election cycle when you see a video of a black Trump supporter beat down 2 Bernie bros in KKK hoods at a Trump event.

    “You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension – a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You’ve just crossed over into the Election Zone.”
    ELECTION 2016-Brought to you by Rod Serling

    Yeah but what’s not to like……..

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  22. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    Obama strikes me as last week’s news while the reorganization of US politics continues apace.
    It’s interesting to watch the new sides form up. The Democrats, whatever that means now, appear to be a marriage of convenience between Beltway bandits, open borders people, the gubmint itselt, a few semi-organized minorities, and a chunk of college students. Team Red appears to be self-organizing around the traditional US nation, crystallizing around a public figure with a somewhat dubious past, but hasn’t really built an official infrastructure yet.
    If this continues on, and I can’t say that it won’t, how will this new voice of the Right play out? I don’t mean in term of issues, that’s obviously becoming far less a matter of traditional Republican think tank shibboleths, and more of culture and gut level in-group cohesion. What sorts of organizations are being born from the political nursery that is going on right now?
    I’m really interested in the possibility of a counter-reaction to a multi decades long monopoly by the political Left on public violence and the threat of violence. Once those dogs are let loose, you can end up in strange places pretty quickly. The general campaign could be pretty darned interesting.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The general campaign is happening as we speak. Do not touch your set…..do not adjust the volume. We have crossed over into the general election zone.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don @ 10:28 am.
    Update. The man wearing the KKK hood was not attached. It was his acquaintance next to him that the black Trump supporter roughed up because the agitator was holding a “Trump Confederate” flag. Inside the rally, agitators were wearing KKK hoods and taking American flags out of people’s hands and throwing them on the ground. Boy, they are really really trying their best to egg the Trumpers on and then blame The Donald. Oh, those lefties are dangerous lot. Very dangerous to America and dangerous to social norms.
    Bet if I got ahold of the black Trump supporter who punched and kicked and punched some more on the Clinton Machine despicable protestor inciting racial tensions, I would ask him how he feels. I bet he says “I feel good.” No, I won’t play James Brown again.
    The Democrat has a long historical record of being the Party of Racism. They are a mean bigoted dangerous violent bunch. Good thing the American people will rise up and squash them like the cockroaches they are. Crunch, crunch.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qYA2goBuuCQ

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Update, update. The agitator started it when he gave the black Trump Supporter the ole “Heil Hilter” salute in his face.
    Time to declare these asshole dangerous agitators what they are: a terrorist organization. Get them on the RICO act. Shameful. And here I thought there were only a couple hundred Klansmen left in the entire country. Silly me. They are terrorists and evil.

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  26. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    A lot of trash talk here about libs trying to stop Trump, but what about the Republican Superpacs trying to stop Trump? Interesting civil war underway among conservatives. Should be good for the Republican Party. I would like to see the same type of revolt among non-establishment Democrats and the good ole libs that have been re-elected at the state and federal level for the past couple of decades.

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