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George Rebane

We read George Boardman’s 'Nevada County's supervisors cede leadership to sheriff on medical marijuana' in today’s (18jan16) Union on last Tuesday’s BoS MJ prezo by Sheriff Keith Royal et al. Generally it was a good piece, we had some inevitable nits because the changing face of MJ production and consumption in CA is a complicated affair, especially when we translate it down to our county level.  And Nevada County being a nationally known source of prime MJ doesn’t help sorting out how we should conduct business in the coming new world of pot.

Readers know that years ago RR came off the fence on drugs and has supported selective and prudent legalization. Since then the debate has grown on how, when, and under what conditions should the county permit medical marijuana (MMJ) and recreational marijuana (RMJ) production and consumption.  These considerations have been made even more complicated by the existence of conflicting federal and dynamic state laws re MJ in its various forms.  And when we start picking apart all the components of legalizing the growth and consumption of the weed, we wind up as we have, in the weeds.  The recent BoS hearing and vote by supervisors on a revised β€˜emergency ordnance’ and the upcoming vote on an MJ initiative have not helped resolve anything in the minds of the two major factions – one facilitating its production and use, and the other essentially opposing all parts of the MJ scene in Nevada County.

What I’d like to discuss here is recognizing the real conflict that is hidden underneath the layers of details of MJ grow parameters, neighborhood nuisance factors, and specifics of RMJ and MMJ distribution and consumption. The anti-MJ folks voice legitimate concerns about neighborhood nuisances, crime, underage consumption, etc.  And these same people are essentially following the tactics of the anti-gun people in wanting to banish MJ from the county – i.e. make the attendant parts of a facile MJ economy so cumbersome and difficult that it will wind up being β€˜constructively banned’.

So let’s be clear, all these details and specifics aren’t the real issue – they comprise the fog that hides what really is on the minds of the anti-MJ people who are mostly right-leaning conservatives, and also what is apparent to the more strategically minded left-leaning progressives. The real issue is the ongoing battle for Nevada County between two very different cultures.


The conservatives want this foothills community to retain its small town, middle America character and values even if we are located in a very liberal β€˜left coast state’. The progressives see Nevada County as the next conservative enclave to conquer and convert into something much more receptive to achieving Agenda21 goals.  A simplified view of the two contending communities would pit the more traditionally straight-laced, visibly patriotic, capitalistic, gun-toting, church going crowd against a modern version of the Gaia worshipping, drug comforted, secular humanist β€˜hippie culture’, that looks forward to a one-world based on a non-western social order.

Both sides believe that introducing a permissive MJ environment into the county is the most effective and fastest way to crack its current character, drive out the conservatives, and paint the county a solid shade of progressive blue. But for some reason we can’t put the contending cultures issue on the table, so we keep talking instead about the number of plants, inside vs outside grows, the smell, water usage, unsavory traffic in the neighborhoods, etc.  The real issue here in Nevada County and all over the country (actually all over the world) is the preservation of distinct cultures.  How can an established culture successfully defend itself against rapid and unwanted change by the purposive imposition (migration, immigration, colonization, …) of a counter-culture?

The question is answered directly in other parts of the world where our traditions of liberty, property, and security are not practiced – the contending people simply resort to violence and fight it out to see who prevails. The world is still and has been full of such conflicts since days immemorial.  I believe that here we would like to find a better way, but that cannot happen if we continue to deny that most of our society’s problems also revolve around clashing cultures.

A better solution involves answering questions such as what rights does a previously established culture have for self-preservation. How can such rights be used to directly address and resolve cultural contentions?  In short, in today’s world with more people, facile communication, and easy transport, can our body of law be expanded to recognize that a large landmass of abundant resources no longer suffices to separate large populations with differing values and cultures who once successfully practiced β€˜e pluribus unum’ with minimal coercion from the national supra-cultural level?

If so, then such an expanded legal system must provide for the self-determination of distinct cultures that can no longer avoid rubbing shoulders within the borders of a united sovereign nation-state that we can still call America. Else we will soon become yet another country with a single dominant command culture enforced by the government gun while pretending the politically correct lie of a multi-cultural society.

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89 responses to “Clashing Cultures Count”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well spoken Don. There is no reason the BOS can’t craft an ordinance that takes care of most of the complaints and still opens the door for small farmers to engage in the lawful cultivation of Cannabis under the new State guidelines. The ballot measure will likely fail anyway so why not pull it now and get to work building a consensus supported ordinance.

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  2. Patricia Smith Avatar

    I agree that the fair thing is to put the ban up for a vote by the people, however, the duplicity by the County has riled many citizens, liberals and conservatives alike. Once Pascale discovered that a NO vote didn’t overturn the ban, scores of non-users have contacted us to say they are upset that the County isn’t giving the people a true choice. In fact, the idea of a ban is a false choice. Does anyone really believe a ban will magically get rid of all (or any) of the MJ grown in NC?
    Let’s face it, chances that we can vote down the ban are slim so why did the County feel they had to stack the deck in their favor? Shouldn’t a matter this important to the health of so many patients and our local economy be discussed along with all the problems caused by irresponsible pot growers? Did the County present ANY solutions to the preceived problems other than a total outdoor ban? Did they consider the licensing options allowed under the new State regs (MMRSA)? Did they allow the opposition a chance to show the benefits of permits over a ban? No they did not.
    This is a bad solution to a bad problem.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Good words, Patricia Smith. I think is it all about the bad apples. Teenagers growing at their weak spinned Momma’s house in a neighborhood on small lots, out of towners (like the Mong Mafia growing up to the road without a fence or setbacks after clear cutting (raping) property), hundreds of young folks on crazy money and food stamps growing like there is no tomorrow, etc, etc, etc. The bad apples.
    I always felt the bad apples are not just a few, but probably 40-50% of our local yokel unemployed growers. And nobody touches the “medicinal only growing” issue, just like last time around. How can someone growing for only medicinal purposes (compassion) be lumped in with the argument of restrictions hurting the local economy? No, don’t go there, Bill. Just like last time, Patty.
    I just want a honest starting point. Yes, we hear of some poor woman who lost her job or husband and the mean ole Sheriffs cut down her 120 plant garden, none of it intended for compassion, all of it intended to line her pockets. Those mean LE running amok, harassing Granny (akin to the TSA confiscating her knitting needles at the airport) and then mean LE has the audacity to enforce an unfair law!! And those helicopters are scaring my chickens and make me feel apprehension. We need safe places and trigger warnings.
    Fuck those lowlives, cry me a river. The medicinal compassionate marihuana advocates…er… growers for profit never gave me an honest starting point. And I don’t hold you, Patty, accountable for those who gave your side a bad name.
    So, with that all water under the bridge, the real conversation is growing weed for profit. At least Paul and others have never waived from the profit issue from day one. He did not wrap this all under the dishonest guise of “compassion” like most growers have done, which is my way of praising Paul. And you are a true advocate for compassion, Ms. Smith. But it ain’t about medicinal herb, never was and it ain’t now. It’s all about lining pockets. Well. For some it was about getting high without the paranoid. Some bad apples even line their pockets and then stiff the trimmigrants, ROFLMAO.
    That’s all. Rant over. Water under the bridge by now. If you wanna grow, do it in the right place and BE a good quiet respectful neighbor. I did last year with my little 4 plants, legally. I went down the hill, plunked down 90 smackers, and listened to a non-smoking lecture (cigs, tobacco) for 15 minutes and walked out with a script. My illness? Well, my bed is uncomfortable and I have COPD, lol. What a bullshit racket.
    So, play the game. My quest for having an honest conservation is like pissing into a headwind. I do respect you, Ms. Smith. You have been an honest focused advocate for the suffering. The rest of them can lick the sweat off my scrotum…bunch of liars they are. If you do not have a place to grow hoochie hoochie, then don’t. Simple enough to me, so complicated to others. It all depends on location, location, location.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    That’s yesterdays news. It’s a whole new ballgame with the new State regulations that track each plant from he time it is in the ground to the time it is sold at a dispensary. All other grows will be illegal and up to those we hire to enforce the law to deal with.
    The likely coming of recreational pot is a totally different matter and production will be regulated in some yet to be determined manner. I say let’s give our responsible growers the opportunity of growing legally in accordance with the new State laws. All illegal grows will be up to law enforcement to enforce.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    ” the new State regulations that track each plant from he time it is in the ground to the time it is sold at a dispensary. All other grows will be illegal and up to those we hire to enforce the law to deal with.”
    As it should be. But I remember your stance on that. ( NO documentation of growers)
    Now to the real up and coming issue. “if” and when weed is legalized.
    Employing the stoned. Will the “safe workplace” (drug free)laws be repealed?
    Will insurance Co.s be barred from insisting on drug testing?
    Even today, a script for MMJ won’t get you around that.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The problem with documentation of growers is that the Feds demanded Mendocino Supes hand over their records of registered growers. That was before the Obama Admin instigated a hands off policy for growers in compliance with their State regs.
    There is a little issue called self-incrimination to be taken into consideration.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Tough cookies Paul. Even the State’s new regs call for that.
    From the growers, to the dispensaries, to the “delivery guy”. ALL are (will be) required to
    be “documented”.
    Besides. LIBS like you LOVE rules and regs. What makes dope growers special? (The ability to rake in huge, untaxed money.)

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  8. Patricia Smith Avatar

    The new state regs allow for-profit businesses to be taxed and reglated like all other businesses. It is high time (pun intended) that MMJ is treated like every other business. Yes the regs are strict and not everybody will be able to follow them, but it will start phasing out the bad apples as more people come into compliance.
    This is for Bill T: Yes, many people exploited the law that only allowed one to be reimbursed for their time and expenses before the new law did away with the ambiguity and flat out allows profit. It’s time this industry was taxed like all other businesses. If a licensed operator doesn’t follow the rules, their permit can be yanked which would effectivly shut them down faster than imposing an unenforcable ban.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, as I was comprising my rant, I kept thinking of you and Brother Ben. I used to get so irrated with the Emery Brethen because if we were to discuss, say, Michael Brown, BB would jump in and shout “Hold yer horses. We have to discuss 400 years of slavery and have a friggin history lesson of how the Native Americans were treated” before anyone could say, “I see there is a video clip of Michael Brown pushing people while stealing from a market.” Nope, we cannot move on until we discuss the 2/3 (or is it 3/4 human?) thang written in the Constitution. Every darn topic, every darn time.
    And Mr. Paul, how many 100s of times have you wanted to rehash the Bush Wars each time the topic is Islamic terrorists or the Syrian Army or Syrian Rebels near the Turkish/Kurd border today. Every time!!!
    Now you say it’s yesterday’s news concerning the existing medicinal pot regs? Thank goodness. Now we can move on. But….but…..but…I just had to rehash this Medical Marihuana Issue, state my disgust with you pack of liars and the scumbag den of thieves at least ONE time before moving on. Unless we need a history lesson about hemp ropes used on schooner ships gliding down the Chesapeake Bay before getting to today’s topic.
    Forgive my indulgence. I have been playing a lot of pot meet kettle lately. Hey, we all are hypocrites, except Ms. Smith and Jon Smith, and Mr. Smith who went to Washington. And our host, Dr. Rebane, despite what the libbowels think and say.
    Smoke em if got em. There’s gold in them thar hills….gold the color of money.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Pattie Smith, its finally looking like you may have actually backed an electoral winner in the Dem primaries with your Bernie Sanders Socialist election efforts. Madam liar liar pantsuits on fire is crashing in the polls because of the young strong ladies who had no clue of her rape victim disrespects and ‘bimbo’ attacks when Bill Clinton was her philandering meal ticket. πŸ˜‰

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    “Libs like me” (2:26) Really Walt, what Republican are you going to vote for? I’m 100% for Gary Johnson, Libertarian Candidate and two time Governor of New Mexico.
    George
    You sure bailed on this conversation before it even got interesting. This “culture” question had a lot of legs left for intelligent thought.

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don
    If Bill Clinton could run for president today he would win in a landslide.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yeah Paul, he could have a underage girl on each arm and a framed copy of his blue dress stain.

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  14. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “If Bill Clinton could run for president today he would win in a landslide.”
    P.Emery
    Probably true. It shows how little a candidate’s personal life matters, regardless of the amount of opposition research done, if they look good on TV and give the voter a warm feeling inside. To be fair, Clinton’s lifestyle was certainly no worse than LBJ’s or JFK’s if their biographers are to be believed. Poor life choices might cause your tepid backers to flee (100% of John Edward’s constituency it seems), but your hardcore backers will vote a corpse into office.
    You can argue that the more power that the executive branch receives (in the interest of efficiency of course) the more unstable the whole system becomes. It’s mere scale implies a super-sized system of spoils, and it’s policy direction becomes more a matter of how the Great Leader feels that morning.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Just reread Dr. Rebane’s commentary. Very good. Culture clashes and self preservation. Yep, some are fighting to keep things the way they are, some fighting to change the way things are. Nothing new under the sun.
    Like that old song “‘Cause he’s an old hippie. And he don’t know what to do. Should he hang on to the old. Should he grab on to the new.”
    Talking about marihuana and self preservation, how about I lighten this cultural clash up for a few moments. Must have been some good stuff, man. Self preservation at its finest.
    http://wtf.videosift.com/wtf/video/Admitted-weed-traffickers-get-high-paranoid-and-call-911
    Carry on. These drug culture battles are getting tiresome, IMHO.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1126pm – “bailed”??! I made my points in this post, and am not aware of any unanswered questions put to me. This comment stream has been most interesting and lively. However, I haven’t seen much interest in the culture clash aspect of my argument, the details of the ordnance and June initiative seem to dominate.

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  17. John Avatar
    John

    Paul Emery 1/21/16 @12:07. If you get to bring your ineligible candidate to the election, we get to bring ours. In a Bill Clinton vs Ronald Regan scenario, Regan would easily win a third term.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    The discussion about whether the orchestrated opposition to legal MJ cultivation because it is part of a Culture clash makes sense to me. It should be looked at as a tremendous economic opportunity for our County which it is. Opposition seems to be led by retired “we got ours” types rather than the business community which obviously appreciates the potential for prosperity for our residents. Some time I’ll take you for a walk through NC and we can ta;k to business owners who are pissed off by what happened because they know how much business comes their way from the Cultivation community.

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  19. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    . . . the [illegal] Cultivation community?

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  20. Steve O'Herlihy Avatar
    Steve O’Herlihy

    As many are blogging now, the cultural conflict in Nevada County is about the good-ole-boys finding ways to keep progressives at bay to buy time until somebody like Trump can get elected to turn back the clock to the values and belief systems of the 1950s.
    Any electoral issue that is fear-based, that retards the progressives, will be seized upon by conservatives to rally the fear-based voters living disproportionately behind the gated, (and paranoid) electoral strongholds of Lake of the Pines, Lake Wildwood and the wanna-be gated community of Alta Sierra.
    These conservative areas will turn out for the highly political sheriff, and the well-organized conservative junta he represents — as long as he can instill enough fear in gullible voters and ill-informed throw-back (to another era) supervisors.
    That is what the ‘presentation’ was about in the first part of the last Board of Supervisors meeting. It was a dog-and-pony show orchestrated by the Sheriff to stoke a climate of fear. The supervisors, already predisposed towards an outcome were offered political cover to do what they wanted to do, anyway. And, in doing so, they showed a complete lack of faith that state regulations will eventually make any difference. Instead, the opted (as usual) for the iron fist.
    The sheriff’s other ace in the hole is the fact that progressives are unorganized, and tend to not vote whereas his proto-fascist backers (Tea Party, State of Jefferson and Republican Federated Women) are highly organized (to a fault) and do tend to vote. The proof would be in the fear-mongering saturation radio-ads funded by Republican Women Federated during their effective campaign against measure S.
    Trust me, these ladies will be back to support their champion – the highly political Sheriff that routinely attends their meetings. Republican women are the electoral practitioners competent to win elections, as we have seen.
    Anybody contemplating electoral action counter to their will is in for a very rough ride.

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  21. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Steve O’Herlihy | 21 January 2016 at 09:23 PM
    Someone named Don Nelson wrote a very similar comment on Jeff P’s blog, Some of the sentences in your post are identical to ones made by Don. Are you Don Nelson, or have you plagiarized Don Nelson?
    Quite frankly, I like Don Nelson’s ending better then yours:
    The sheriff’s other ace in the hole is the fact that progressives are unorganized and tend to not vote whereas his proto-fascist backers are highly organized and do vote. I am talking here mostly about the Republican Federated Women that paid for all the hysteric anti measure S ads a year ago. Trust me, they will be back to support their Sheriff. They are the electoral practitioners competent to win elections as we have seen.
    You fight them and you will be handed your ass.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Russ
    Everything I refer to as to the future of cultivation in Nevada County would be legal and in accordance with the new state laws. Would there be illegal grows? Sure and it would be the job of law enforcement to root them out.
    RE: Bill 4:46
    The illegal market for MJ was created because it was made illegal and there was lots of profit to be made catering to the demand of product. Basic Capitalism. It should have never been illegal in the first place but all sides made billions off the illegality. Just like Prohibition. A cooperative government making laws that can’t be enforced to enhance the riches of those who are willing to take the risk with just rewards and a law enforcement-incarceration complex thriving on taxpayers money to enforce and penalize those few that get caught. Basic Libertarian principals applied here would clean up the mess in no time. .

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  23. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 21Jan16 10:29 PM
    Very well put, Paul.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul and Mr. Kesti: I agree with this line from Paul’s 10:29 pm last night:
    “….. those few that get caught.” Now we are talking my language. It’s not a game for amateurs. Too many amateurs out there. Embarrassing.

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Oh, my:

    “As many are blogging now, the cultural conflict in Nevada County is about the good-ole-boys finding ways to keep progressives at bay to buy time until somebody like Trump can get elected to turn back the clock to the values and belief systems of the 1950s.
    Any electoral issue that is fear-based, that retards the progressives, will be seized upon by conservatives to rally the fear-based voters living disproportionately behind the gated, (and paranoid) electoral strongholds of Lake of the Pines, Lake Wildwood and the wanna-be gated community of Alta Sierra.”

    Yet another fear-based sock-puppet rant… there’s a conservative hiding in your closet who pines for the ’50’s. Personally, I’d be happy with 2000 and will settle for 2016 but I’m not a conservative. Pot should be legal, but many of the grower set are unsavories who are net negatives for the area… illegal, lucrative activities tend not to attract the best and brightest.

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Our grammar Nazi is falling down on the job… Paul, that should have read “Basic libertarian principles”, but no, the forces of prohibition are not about creating illegal profits… Pot prohibitionists look very much like gun prohibitionists… it’s bad, we’re saving you from your own bad choices and the community will be better off when you finally get with the program.

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  27. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Gregory 22Jan16 06:59 AM
    Good catch, Gregory.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I propose we start with pot free zones around our one institution of higher learning, Sierra College. Opps, include the massage schools and dirt/crystal worshipping schools as well, albeit they, unlike Sierra College, are private entities. Ah, screw the private entities. Turn them into pot free zones as well. It’s a start. And include trigger warnings for any one in earshot if marihuana pros and cons are debated in the public square. We must not have any one offended. That would be micro aggressions, which is hostile, bigoted, and plum not neighborly…..not to mention reeking of White Priviledge.
    Ok, it you must discuss legalization, CA State Business Regs micromanagement with a 300 watt interrogation light bulb up your collective asses, and taxing the crap out of the safer than whiskey hoochie hoochie annual flower plant, then please do so in the designated free speech zone located in the far corner of the Eric Rood Center behind the Wayne C Brown Correctional Facility. The Madeline H library is not a free speech zone so don’t even think of pulling a fast one there, you fear Mongols, you. We must think of others and their sensibilities. Stoners are soooo self centered and must be taught how to get along with others. (I learned that by rubbing elbows with the control freaks in academia).

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 719pm – Paul, I think you are defending a hill that I have never assaulted nor plant to.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Nor plant to”…..a slip of the tongue there, D. Rebane? :).

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Never having done illegal or mind altering drugs and seeing the devastation they have done to the weak minded people of the planet, I guess I just can’t understand why people would rather have a toke of THC than a Big A’s cheeseburger. I will always believe that MJ is a gateway drug that leads to worse things and that it makes people’s brain a mushpot of simple gray cells. I worry that country could be way more productive and much richer for all if people were not so weak in self control on this crap. So it appears I am a anti-drug extremist.
    And in my opinion anyone selling this poison to our youth should be tried and executed in the public square.

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 January 2016 at 08:59 AM
    I guess I just can’t understand why people would rather have a toke of THC than a Big A’s cheeseburger.

    Toke first Todd….cheeseburger after!

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  33. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Todd, Big A cheeseburgers do more to turn your brain (and body) into mush than marijuana ever will. Explains a lot. Your gateway premise does not hold up. According to the CDC, less than 1%
    of marijuana users become addicted to hard drugs. The overabuse of painkillers by medical doctors are causing the spreading epidemic of opiod addicts in this country. States that have legalized MMJ see 25% fewer overdose deaths. Coincidence?

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, it looks like we are not alone. You have been “recriminalized”. Boy, some are feeling like Rodney Dangerfield lately. Good thing I remain neutral…stoned, but neutral. πŸ™‚
    http://news.yahoo.com/california-marijuana-growers-face-crop-153141599.html

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Divers” in a sentence: “Ze longer I liff here, divers it gets”.
    Ms. Smith, with the lopsided vote on S, I’m not sure the ‘opposition’ has any political capital with the BOS. Elections have consequences.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    WOW Patty,, I guess you didn’t think that comment though. What’s a stoned toker going to crave after a few good bong hits? Sure not carrot sticks.(unless smothered in ranch dressing) Nothing is more appealing than the biggest burger in town. Then they drive under the influence of dope to do it.(an illegal act as well) Yup, even from the apartments just up the hill. (what a buzzkill to make the walk) Gotta watch out for those with a script for MMJ, because it helps with that toenail fungus.
    Nope,, stoners are not the most health conscious individuals.

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  37. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Walt, i said I didn’t like Big A cheeseburgers, but they aren’t the healthiest food out there!
    Gregory, Jan 23, 2:54 Yup, elections do have consequences. I don’t hold out much hope that the voters will overturn the ban. I would have to surrend my title of Patron Saint of Lost Causes.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Uhhhh,,, NOoooo,,, that’s NOT what you said.
    This is.
    “Big A cheeseburgers do more to turn your brain (and body) into mush than marijuana ever will.”
    So it it the weed talk’n?
    BTW. Speaking for myself, and working no where near home I lived off fast food for lunch going on 20+ years. It hasn’t killed me yet. Nor inflicted brain damage.
    Funny.. I felt surprisingly better after quitting the use of weed. Even my back issues
    got a little better.

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, if Trump wins the election and you all move to Canada, be sure to look this guy up.
    http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/01/judge-sentence-ruling-growing-plants/#

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