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George Rebane

We read George Boardman’s 'Nevada County's supervisors cede leadership to sheriff on medical marijuana' in today’s (18jan16) Union on last Tuesday’s BoS MJ prezo by Sheriff Keith Royal et al. Generally it was a good piece, we had some inevitable nits because the changing face of MJ production and consumption in CA is a complicated affair, especially when we translate it down to our county level.  And Nevada County being a nationally known source of prime MJ doesn’t help sorting out how we should conduct business in the coming new world of pot.

Readers know that years ago RR came off the fence on drugs and has supported selective and prudent legalization. Since then the debate has grown on how, when, and under what conditions should the county permit medical marijuana (MMJ) and recreational marijuana (RMJ) production and consumption.  These considerations have been made even more complicated by the existence of conflicting federal and dynamic state laws re MJ in its various forms.  And when we start picking apart all the components of legalizing the growth and consumption of the weed, we wind up as we have, in the weeds.  The recent BoS hearing and vote by supervisors on a revised β€˜emergency ordnance’ and the upcoming vote on an MJ initiative have not helped resolve anything in the minds of the two major factions – one facilitating its production and use, and the other essentially opposing all parts of the MJ scene in Nevada County.

What I’d like to discuss here is recognizing the real conflict that is hidden underneath the layers of details of MJ grow parameters, neighborhood nuisance factors, and specifics of RMJ and MMJ distribution and consumption. The anti-MJ folks voice legitimate concerns about neighborhood nuisances, crime, underage consumption, etc.  And these same people are essentially following the tactics of the anti-gun people in wanting to banish MJ from the county – i.e. make the attendant parts of a facile MJ economy so cumbersome and difficult that it will wind up being β€˜constructively banned’.

So let’s be clear, all these details and specifics aren’t the real issue – they comprise the fog that hides what really is on the minds of the anti-MJ people who are mostly right-leaning conservatives, and also what is apparent to the more strategically minded left-leaning progressives. The real issue is the ongoing battle for Nevada County between two very different cultures.


The conservatives want this foothills community to retain its small town, middle America character and values even if we are located in a very liberal β€˜left coast state’. The progressives see Nevada County as the next conservative enclave to conquer and convert into something much more receptive to achieving Agenda21 goals.  A simplified view of the two contending communities would pit the more traditionally straight-laced, visibly patriotic, capitalistic, gun-toting, church going crowd against a modern version of the Gaia worshipping, drug comforted, secular humanist β€˜hippie culture’, that looks forward to a one-world based on a non-western social order.

Both sides believe that introducing a permissive MJ environment into the county is the most effective and fastest way to crack its current character, drive out the conservatives, and paint the county a solid shade of progressive blue. But for some reason we can’t put the contending cultures issue on the table, so we keep talking instead about the number of plants, inside vs outside grows, the smell, water usage, unsavory traffic in the neighborhoods, etc.  The real issue here in Nevada County and all over the country (actually all over the world) is the preservation of distinct cultures.  How can an established culture successfully defend itself against rapid and unwanted change by the purposive imposition (migration, immigration, colonization, …) of a counter-culture?

The question is answered directly in other parts of the world where our traditions of liberty, property, and security are not practiced – the contending people simply resort to violence and fight it out to see who prevails. The world is still and has been full of such conflicts since days immemorial.  I believe that here we would like to find a better way, but that cannot happen if we continue to deny that most of our society’s problems also revolve around clashing cultures.

A better solution involves answering questions such as what rights does a previously established culture have for self-preservation. How can such rights be used to directly address and resolve cultural contentions?  In short, in today’s world with more people, facile communication, and easy transport, can our body of law be expanded to recognize that a large landmass of abundant resources no longer suffices to separate large populations with differing values and cultures who once successfully practiced β€˜e pluribus unum’ with minimal coercion from the national supra-cultural level?

If so, then such an expanded legal system must provide for the self-determination of distinct cultures that can no longer avoid rubbing shoulders within the borders of a united sovereign nation-state that we can still call America. Else we will soon become yet another country with a single dominant command culture enforced by the government gun while pretending the politically correct lie of a multi-cultural society.

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89 responses to “Clashing Cultures Count”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    Culture and religion are twisted threads on a single spool. These are both very emotional issues not easily resolved in logical discussions. Emotions often overcome logic, and the only remaining recourse becomes a physical conflict. It has been that way for 1,000s of years, and little is going to change except for the lethality of our weapons.

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  2. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    I live in a rural section of western Nevada County where parcels run from ten to 120 acres. Many of these parcels have neither power, water or habitation. A few of these parcels have large greenhouses or Visqueen tents where pot is grown. The parcel next to mine is owned by a retired couple in their early 70’s and they grow 4-5 marijuana plants in their very large vegetable garden. I don’t ask why they grow it and would never have known they did unless they showed them to me. Nevada County starts at nearly the valley floor, runs over the Sierra and bumps into the state of Nevada. I find it wildly ludicrous that one single law can affect every person and every parcel in this widely diverse county and that law say you cannot grow a single marijuana plant in your garden – even if the state says it is legal. Mission creep is hardly the word for Royal’s action, his is a premeditated act of governance to smother the entire county with his singular world view and prejudice. The word that describes this type of governance is fascism. If it isn’t please provide another.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    re RussS 152pm – Culture, in the sense used on RR (see Glossary), subsumes religion as one of its attributes along with, say, language, traditions, values, behavioral norms,…
    jonS 200pm – I’m not sure how the definitions of “prejudice” and “fascism” jibe with Sheriff Royal’s MJ ordnance proposal to the BoS. He is an elected official with a long history of contending with the MJ issue which has disposed him to a certain set of beliefs in how the county should deal with it. He cannot pass ordnances nor generate regulations, but has to take his case to the Supervisors who can. This is what he did in an open public forum; hardly what would be considered as either practicing fascism or pre-judging an MJ policy.

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  4. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    GR 13:52
    In the strictest sense you are correct, yet this sheriff has been personally lobbying the supervisors to pass his ordinance since early December. The vote was pre destined due to his persistant urging. Not one supervisor’s mind was changed when they attended the “open public forum”. During the forum Mr Miller told the audience if they didn’t like the outcome of the BOS meeting they could overturn it by a vote on the June ballot (pre written, but unreleased for review). As it turned out the measure was nowhere near to matching the implied words of Mr. Miller or Mr Royal.

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  5. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “a premeditated act of governance to smother the entire county with his singular world view and prejudice.” Substitute country for county.
    The fed govt does this all day long every day of the week.
    Those of us that are against it are called fascist by the left.
    Go figure.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    jons 314pm – I’m also confused about the June initiative which, whatever its outcome, is not supposed affect what the emergency ordnance prescribes. Can you shed light on that?

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  7. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Thank you George. Very thought provoking.

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  8. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    Miller said the voters could overturn the board’s action via a ballot written by the County (but not released until the meeting).
    The comparison between the board’s action and the actual ballot are here (scroll down four paragraphs):
    http://yubanet.com/regional/Marijuana-Cultivation-Measure-will-not-reverse-outdoor-growing-ban-even-if-voters-reject-it.php#.Vp2e8zajnEs

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    jons 630pm – At a meeting with an ASA principal last week I was advised that the ballot measure is intended to mollify the voters, but regardless of that vote the current emergency measure is essentially bulletproof. Your cited YubaNet analysis seems to confirm that understanding.

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  10. Don Blanscet Avatar
    Don Blanscet

    When Nancy Pelosi shoved obamacare down our throats , she said “we have to pass it to read it” We conservatives including myself railed at this irresponsible form of legislation.
    Now it appears (read George Boardmans col. in the Union) that our own conservatives are doing exactly what we claim to find offensive. Passing legislation without reading or understanding. See union article re: confusion re: ballot measure. I predict the Tea Party of Nevada County will silently agree with Sheriff Royal and the BOS. They will not speak against that which they dislike when us conservatives use those same tactics to further our goals. (do it to Suzy but not me?)Tea Party hypocrites are no different than Black lives Matter hypocrites, just another shade of hypocrisy . Pun intended.
    72,000 dollars for an election?! why don’t we spend more time on consensus and less time on oppression??

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh, Mr. Blanscet. Blaming the Tea Party for a local law enforcement issue you disagree with? Perhaps your anger should be directed at the BOS, who voted 4-1 for the emergency ordinance. 4-1 (to be repetitious).
    FYI, I remain neutral and thus silent on the issue. Rather than throwing stones, I will wait until the clarification in Feburary and the yet to see seen Ballot Measure in its final draft. Besides, it’s the wrong time of year to be planting pot outside. Interesting issue and sure to draw various opinions.
    If I was apt to blame someone or group of persons at this developing stage, I would be inclined to blame those many who were growing Marihuana for purposes other than medical uses. The old “one bad apple” thang. In this specific issue, it appears that there is a whole barrel of bad apples who are growing the annual for intents other than medicinal compassion. Exciting times, my troubled brother. Wait and see.
    My name is Bill Tozer and I endorse this message.

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  12. Gary Smith Avatar

    Dr. Rebane – One of your best articles. The MJ culture clash here in Nevada County is right on the mark. The BOS (Board of Supervisors) is very conservative and reflects the will of the voters, not the people. Just look at our voter registration. Republican 35%, Dem 32%, Decline to State 24%, only 80% of eligible voters registered. The right conservatives are very organized and the left progressives are not. To the victor goes the spoils. The ballot measure is just to give political cover to the BOS. I don’t understand why the think they need political cover? The ballot language and impartial analysis will be written by County Counsel who is an At Will employee that can be fired any BOS meeting by 3 Supervisors. You can bet that she has gotten direction. The timing is important also. The pro MJ group will not have time to gather signatures for their own ballot measure in June, by design. The outdoor ban could have been passed a long time ago but that would have given the pro MJ group time to gather sigs for their own competing ballot measure in June. I love it when the subject is local issues.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    It is ironic that the so called Conservatives are using civil code (mj cultivation ban) as a hammer to enhance their self perceived cultural majority. I’m not sure where the Tea Paty stands onthis.

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  14. George Boardman Avatar

    Jeffy seems to have a problem with some of the statistics I used in the column. The same numbers didn’t concern him when I used them several months ago, and this is a guy who apparently has nothing better to do on Sunday night than comb through my column as soon as it appears on TheUnion.com.
    Perhaps he should tend to his own garden. He writes in a recent post that his “magazine” is “distributed throughout Northern California.” Really? Where can I find it in Yreka or Crescent City? He claims to have qualms about growing marijuana outdoors, but has no problem promoting America’s favorite drug on the cover of his “magazine.”
    Then there’s Tesla’s gigafactory in Nevada, which Jeffy has been touting as a stimulus for eastern Nevada County. The Reno Gazette Journal reports the factory is generating a lot fewer jobs than Elon Musk promised.
    LOL, as they say.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 934am – Interesting. What means, other than legal, should “so called Conservatives”, libertarians, progressives, liberals, socialists, … use to “enhance” or promote their “self perceived cultural majority”? To my knowledge no such cohort has sworn off using the law per se to promote their aims.
    Upon reflection, are you (like so many leftists) implying that somehow groups that argue for smaller government should then not appeal to government in the course of their political affairs?
    GeorgeB 948am – Mr Boardman, I’ve heard that spillover stimulus notion argued before, but can’t quite see how it works for Nevada County in any measurable way? Why come up the hill to spend your dollars on the high-tax side of the border?? Any insight about what’s on the minds of people like the FUE? Or is it another example of bad luck when they try to think?

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  16. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    GR 9:43
    Judging by the “rush hour” traffic between Reno and Truckee, there are quite a few workers in the Silver state who choose to live in the Golden state. When Clear Capital moved from Truckee to Reno, the feared exodus of Truckee employees failed to materialize. For many years the bulk of my work was in Nevada but it never crossed my mind to actually live there (unless, I could afford to live in Incline Village). Don’t under estimate the lifestyle quotient, particularly for upper level employees of Tesla who can afford the commute, but would suffer the most from a higher tax rate. Will this be an appreciable number? I don’t know.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    jons 1038am – Point well taken. My interest is in the marginal contribution from Tesla employees. It is no secret that having a big city like Reno across the border from Truckee will allow some workers who like the high altitude life style to live in CA; that has been going on for years. One can also argue for a similar benefit provided by Las Vegas, however much smaller because CA is a bleak desert within commuting distance of the city, explaining why no community has grown and blossomed on our side of the border.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    What the so called Conservatives are actually doing is denying economic opportunity for Nevada County families who could peruse legal enterprise as Cannabis cultivators under the new State guidelines. To deny economic opportunity doesn’t sound like a “Conservative” value to me. They are the ones complaining about government regulations that hamper free enterprise. The results are profoundly ironic.
    Are you are proposing such action as a justifiable tactic to preserve Conservative values? It doesn’t matter what the”libs” do. Values are what they are and should not be justified by claiming “they did it first”.

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Excuse me if I am wrong, but don’t each one of us have the right to address grievances in a court of law? Heard an interesting take on the US Constitution. Beyond the phrase “We the people” there is no mention of individual rights per se. The document lays out government’s rights (and prohibitions) given to it by we the people. Those are government rights mentioned and after that it’s none of their business and they are not to tread there. It up to the States, but we all know that. Still, an interesting take, but off topic again.
    Our State put medicinal marihuana enforcement policies and even the right to ban cultivation in any municipality with local control. Our local control is with the BOS. Remember when Yuba County was praised on local blogs for its generous and lax interpretation of the grow your own law? I recall people quoting real estate agents that Nevada County was doomed and Yuba County was attracting large volumes of people and money looking to buy up land. Well, we all know last year that Yuba County all of a sudden banned outdoor cultivation. Sucks to be you if you went down across the county line to buy parcels with sugar plums and dreams of riches in your eyes.
    Too much blaming going on.
    I get it. When folks get angry, they need something to blame. Blame conservatives till the cows come home if it makes you feel better. Blame the NIMBYs as well. Blame, blame , blame won’t change a thing. Be proactive. If you do not get regress in a court of law, change the law. Heck, most growers are practicing civil disobedience anyway. Stomp your feet or change the law. It took MADD 20 years, but drunk drivers are no long given a slap on the wrist and a ride home. It takes time.
    Whatz da hurry? Word has it that the “medicinal” marihuana market is flooded and nobody can find buyers or a fair price this month.. Just wait until the Big Boys get their way. Tobacco companies already bought up trademark names like Panama Red, Accupolco(?) Gold, Hawaiian, Maudi Wowie, etc 25 years ago! The Big Boys will kill the local market ASAP.
    In CO, small growers can sell (with a very strict limited amount of permits) up to 20 plants a year. Wow. That is quite generous, is it not? Live off that (and food stamps). The Big Boys get the vast amount of the licenses and very very few are allowed for small greenhouses…mostly granted when there is a temporary shortage of product..
    Blame away. I still remain neutral all in all, but be careful what you wish for. When a State wide Prop comes up on the ballot, remember the Big Boys have very deep pockets and can fly in 20 lawyers from Chicago, Philly, and New York at a snap on the fingers, 24/7.
    Blame helps one who is depressed. Blame will get ya out of your depression….with more anger, lol.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Boardman | 19 January 2016 at 09:48 AM
    jeffpelline says:
    January 19, 2016 at 9:55 am
    This is all George can say before resorting to personal attacks: β€œJeffy seems to have a problem with some of the statistics I used in the column. The same numbers didn’t concern him when I used them several months ago.”
    Instead, he ought to be apologizing for the mistake and running a correction. Will The Union run a correction for him? You can’t fix stupid.

    George there may be an opportunity to benefit from Mr. Pellines editing skills. If it indeed turns out that you are in error, might I suggest just “Memory Holing” your boo boo like he does.

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  21. George Boardman Avatar

    Re Dr. R at 10:08:
    I’m inclined to agree with Jon Smith; the commute might make sense for people earning six figures, but it doesn’t pencil out for workers farther down the food chain.
    It’s at least 35 minutes from central Truckee to downtown Reno, and that’s speeding in good weather. The round trip from Truckee to Tesla has to be at least 2 hours under optimum conditions.
    Tesla didn’t decide the build in Nevada just because it got a big taxpayer giveaway and cheap land; it also gets to pay Nevada wages. I can’t see anybody commuting from the Tahoe area for that kind of money.

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  22. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    GB 10:08
    “the ROUND TRIP … 2 hours”
    That would seem like a dream to Bay Area commuters. Cruise along the Truckee River for an hour to get to work or spend 90 to 120 minutes (ONE WAY) stuck in bumper to bumper traffic??
    http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/03/05/san-francisco-bay-area-nations-capital-for-megacommuting

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    paul Emery @ 10:58 in the am:
    Paul, did you actually pen this or was it someone hijacking your name? Maybe you walked away from your computer leaving it unlocked.
    “Values are what they are and should not be justified by claiming “they did it first”.”. Please excuse my shock after hearing your “Bush did it first” on any and all topics concerning the current state of affairs.
    Your argument about the local economy has merit, though. Many people will be hurt by the prospect of losing supplemental income or even a person’s livelihood. But, this is a very big but, when things do not go your way you act if as the fix is in. The BOS could have just as easily vote 1-4 against as 4-1 for.
    Ok, Paul, how many people are denied economic opportunity derived SOLELY from selling MEDICINAL ONLY hoochie hoochie. Grow it indoors and make sure it is only for medicinal purposes as prescribed by a licensed physician. That is the State Law as I understand it. States Rights and all that stuff. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is still illegal to shout Fire! In a movie theater. Something to do with State Law. Until someone challenges their free speech rights in a court of law, the law remains.
    Economic impact felt? No shit, we agree. Is it only for medicinal purposes? Hardly.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    Please correct me if I’m wrong but can you show me where I said the “Fix is IN”? Please quote me directly if you find it. While you’re at it show me one time the BOS voted against anything the Sheriff asked for. Never in my recollection.

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  25. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    GR @ 10:56 AM
    Don’t forget state income taxes on residency.

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  26. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    Bill 10:58.
    Our BOS should be coming up with proactive regulations instead of reactive ones to anticipate an evolving future. See the link to the medical cannabis cultivation page on the California Department of Food and Agriculture. https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/is/mccp/ This is near boilerplate to what Colorado and Washington had in place before voters approved recreational use (“hoochie hoochie” in your words). As with these two states, if voters approve the hochie hoochie ballot in November, the Department of Ag will sandpaper the current wording to reflect reacreational use (without doubt it has already been written). Shouldn’t Nevada County be positioned to optimize this change? We have thousands of ag zoned acres here in a micro climate that has proven to be ideal for the cultivation of mj/hemp. I’m not talking about growing weed in a lot along Broad Street anymore than I would advocate raising beef there. This is why we have zoning ordinances. Folks who live in town have made by far and away the most noise about the stench of mj and other issues (and I believe rightfully so). Should these in town dwellers dictate how the rural ag community works? Royal has painted the entire county with a single brush making it as illegal to grow a single pot plant in the middle of 160 acres as it is to grow one downtown next to a school.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Paul, I said you act like the fix is in. I did not say you actually uttered the fix is in, just you act like it as evidenced by your “show me one time the BOS voted against anything the Sheriff asked for.” But, I will not belabor your reading skills at this time, except to say “read the black on the page, not the white.” No worries, I have done the same..hundreds of times.
    Keith Royal laid out his argument plainly. “There’s too much violatin’ going on and we can’t keep up. Let’s tone it down to get a compliance handle on this.” That was the main argument he used, not environmental damage or the economy. Strictly a view from the guy who has to investigate every complaint that comes in from citizens. He is closer to the stink than the BOS. The BOS would be amiss not to consider his view
    on how it is working or not working, what’s going good, what’s going bad out there in the hinder lands.
    Do not mistake my view of the facts revealed so far as either pro or con. Yes, I do lean towards law and order, especially as I grow nearer to the grave. GOD=God orderly direction. Sure, I still like to stick it to Da Man…that part of me will never go away. But, look at the facts objectively and let’s have a good orderly direction in an chaotic world. There are many laws I don’t like, put are there for a reason. Like stop signs. “You ain’t the boss of me, you aren’t my dad, you can’t tell me what to do!!” Well, if you dance with LE at noon, you will be late for supper.
    I do understand your disappointment though. You have lost the battle for now, but will probably win the war. That is much better than us Redskinned savages who won a bunch of battles but lost the war.

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  28. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Bill Tozer 19Jan16 11:08 AM
    I realize that this is tangential to your point but I find this notion of “government’s rights” to be novel and curious. I was taught and have long agreed that the Constitution specifies the federal government’s structure, roles, responsibilities, and limitations but nothing of which I am aware concerning its rights.
    Or have I discovered another gap in my knowledge?

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Jon
    Well spoken.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Jon smith. Hey, I smoke the hoochie hoochie myself on occasion. I went 25 years between tokes and now am a “pot head”. More like a weekend warrior. I have an religious exception, but in my case it’s a religious inclusion, lol. They don’t call it the peace pipe for nuthin’.. And I don’t smoke the hoochie hoochie annual plant for my sore neck. I also live in a growers area, albeit I don’t grow or buy the stuff. That’s a lie. I grew 4 plants last year and they were closer than 400 feet from the house. Me bad, but I needed to separate them from my vegetable garden for fear of those darn tomatoes worms. Plus, since I have entered my semi-retirement years, I been staying home working on thinning the back forty, fixing the deck, building rock walls and rock gardens, and fixing the dirt road…by hand.
    Next year I ain’t growing any, mainly cause I just did it to see if I still had the green thumb after all these years. In addition, I don’t know who I could even give away the stuff to. Tossed half in the burn pile. I have no connections here and I like it that way. I don’t run in those circles no more, no way.
    The smallest parcel around here is 10 acres and there are not too many that small. So, I guess because it does not affect me, because I see nothing, smell nothing, have no traffic problems, I am being most self centered. Heck, if I want pot a neighbor down the way will give me a couple of OZs anytime in exchange for a little chainsaw work. I don’t even want a fireplace myself anymore.. I am done cutting, bucking, splitting, and stacking firewood. I like propane, God’s gas. But, I digressed again and have not inhaled for a few days, lol. It’s a lot better than in the old days where an OZ was measured by two fingers against a baggie, complete with them seeds and stems.
    Guess what I am saying is that some in that business can’t BS a Bullshitter like me. So recreational is coming??
    You made a good point to look over the horizon and prepare (position) ourselves for what is definitely coming down the pike. Count me out, but do your own thing. I will be growing tomatoes and maybe buying a llama just for kicks after I buy enough fencing..
    Carry on with the good fight. It’s a non-issue to me all in all. I can Bogart that joint all I want, if I want, when I want. I be a good citizen now. πŸ™‚

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Michael, I found the point interesting. Not to say I will stake my exemplary reputation on one man’s POV. He just turned it inside out of the way we see and say things about rights. As mentioned, his POV is we the people say to government here is your rights. That’s it. We give you these rights to carry out we the people’s business. If not stated then government does not have anymore rights than what we the people laid out.
    As a side issue, think it was Madison (or maybe Hamilton) who was vehemently opposed to the Bill of Rights. He figured that since they were so self-explanatory that even making a list of we the people’s rights would open the door for government to think that was all the rights we as individuals possessed or try to limit the Bill of Rights to what was written.. So, turn it inside out and say we the people give the Federal government these exact listed rights and no more. Interesting take, IMHO.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul Emery. I feel your pain. Perhaps I should be more understanding and gentler with you in the future. I know you are one of the good guys. I’ll try to be nicer, but…….:
    https://www.facebook.com/whitetrash/photos/a.188741497845827.54526.188734351179875/1001805049872797/?type=3&theater

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  33. George Boardman Avatar

    Re Fish at 11:15 a.m.:
    No need to “memory hole” anything; the figures I used were on the high end of Ms. Keene’s range to illustrate the potential source of tax revenue. The numbers are only “wrong” because I used them.
    Jon Smith at 11:32 a.m.:
    I lived in the Bay Area for 55 years and I’m quite familiar with commuting to work there. One of the reasons people move up here is to avoid wasting two hours a day commuting to and from work.

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The weak minded confuse Powers granted to governments by the people with Rights, and confuse the Rights of the people with entitlements.
    If the hard left treated the 2nd like they treat the Commerce Clause, they’d give a fully automatic M16 to any adult who hasn’t already purchased one.
    Recreational mota will be a reality in the USA when persecutors can’t reliably get 12 on a jury to convict. That’s what led to recreational ethanol back towards its historic place in society. hic.
    In the mean time, those who want to make money growing pot should be happy with the ban on outdoor grows… that should keep the price up and the competition down, if you can manage to not be among the ones that get busted. Legalizing will mean the return on investment, including one’s time and sweat, will be about what the Bierwagens have managed in the apple trade. Maybe less, as coddling moths don’t seem to like cannabis.

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  35. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    So, just to confirm, is the county saying that permitted greenhouses are acceptable for growing MJ? Greenhouses are commonly used to grow many ag crops.

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  36. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    Brad 15:06
    Without coming out and stating it, the resolution (and ballot measure) specifically prohibit green houses. Under county code greenhouses are “not-permitted structures and exempt from permitting”.
    New ordinance, E5. “Indoor Marijuana Cultivation is prohibited in non-permitted structures, structures that are exempt from permitting, . . .”
    Quite the coincidence that that phrase shows up in both the ordinance and existing code. Months of planning went into the “urgency” ordinance, yet the voters only got to see the ballot measure the day of the BOS meeting.

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  37. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    To paraphrase Orwell, “The people of this state are free to choose. they can choose the black pot, or the pot that is black.”

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Since you are on record as supporting the legalization of Recreational Marijuana in California and elsewhere what is your view as to whether nevada County residents should be allowed to be part of the marketplace as providers for both the recreational and medical markets that will need product to sell and distribute?

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 541pm – Good question. I support local control of how both MMJ and RMJ should be produced, distributed, and consumed in Nevada County. Let either the voters or their elected representatives decide in a manner that allows the rules to be set and modified as the people’s desires and proclivities change. Let’s see what works that the people want. (This would be pretty much the same as with zoning and ordinances.)

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    Don Bessee

    Keep counting your chickens PE. The voters all across CA have in the last 2 years voted for my side of the issue in every instance. You guys keep telling each other its inevitable, we shall see won’t we. πŸ˜‰

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    Brad C.

    Jon, thanks. Looking at Sec. G-IV 5.4 Nuisance Declared; Cultivation Restrictions, item I at the bottom of page 9, it states,
    1. Accessory Structures used for the Cultivation of Marijuana shall meet all of the following criteria:
    The accessory structure, regardless of size, shall be legally constructed in accordance with all applicable
    development permits and entitlements including, but not limited to, grading, building, structural, electrical,
    mechanical and plumbing permits approved by applicable federal, state and local authorities prior to the
    commencement of any Cultivation activity. The conversion of any existing accessory structure, or portion
    thereof, for Cultivation shall be subject to these same permit requirements and must be inspected for
    compliance by the applicable federal, state and local authorities prior to commencement of any Cultivation
    activity.
    2. The accessory structure shall not be built or placed within any setback as required by the Nevada County
    Land Use and Development Code or approved development permit or entitlement.
    3. The accessory structure shall be equipped with permanently installed and permitted electricity, and shall not
    be served by temporary extension cords. Electrical wiring conductors shall be sized based on the currently
    adopted California Electrical Code with anticipated loads identified.
    4. The accessory structure shall be equipped with a permanently installed and permitted odor control filtration
    and ventilation system adequate to prevent any odor, humidity, or mold problem within the structure, on the
    Parcel, or on adjacent Parcels.
    5. If the accessory structure is a greenhouse, the panels shall be of glass or polycarbonate and should be
    opaque for security and visual screening purposes. Where the greenhouse panels are not obscure, the
    greenhouse shall be screened from view by a solid Fence.
    https://secure.mynevadacounty.com/nc/bos/cob/docs/Board%20of%20Supervisors%20Ordinances/2016%20BOS%20Ordinances/2405.pdf
    To me it sounds like you can use a greenhouse if it is constructed using standard building practices, and is approved by the building department. You cannot use plastic sheeting for a cover. You have to use glass or rigid polycarbonate or other translucent material.

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    Bill Tozer

    Are concrete bunkers considered greenhouses?
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/779836878817018/?type=3&theater
    Sorry, I could not resist. Carry on. ….

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    Paul Emery

    George
    I’m pretty much in agreement with your 5:41. The argument, a valid one, that was used against measure S was that all regulations were written in stone and can only be modified from another ballot measure. the same argument can be used against the Supes proposed one which has the same language. The Supes if they understood the craft of government should be striving for a compromised solution that tends to most of the complaints and still leaves room for legal commercial MJ cultivation. The problem is that the Supes used a club that will make the problems worse because it will be unenforceable leaving no incentive to play by the rules therefore attracting the wrong kind of element.

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    jon smith

    Brad 1/19/16
    Thank you for the head’s up. It appears the definition of green house in the general code (Exempt from permitted) is in conflict with the definition of greenhouse in the ordinance. Looks like someone is going to have to spend a prohibitive amount of money and effort to grow their 12 bonzai plants. And at the same time sign away their right to the search and seizure laws that protect regular Americans.

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  45. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Jon, yes, having to construct a somewhat secure enclosure to grow a few MMJ plants for personal consumption just got more complicated and expensive. In light of the fact that California might legalize MJ, having this greenhouse regulation in place will keep the cultivation industry (at least in Nevada County) on more of a boutique scale vs. industrial scale MJ orchards. A more secure greenhouse will tend to keep people “honest” and discourage bored teenagers and low life tweakers from ripping off plants and protect grower’s investments in time and money.
    It would be preferable, economically, for the county to be more friendly towards MJ growers, manufacturers, distributers, and retailers. Making too many laws that are too oppressive send the wrong message to prospective business owners. Aren’t overbearing restrictive regulations a reason often given by businesses leaving California for “greener” pastures?
    Don’t know why the county comes off as being so tyrannical, authoritarian, and repressive when being more compassionate, democratic, and considerate might garner more widespread support. Where was the discussion with the community and why was this ordinance just rammed up the county’s collective arse? Maybe some sensitivity training is called for.
    How about some community involvement in “growing” neighborhoods? Perhaps a neighborhood MJ watch by MJ growers themselves to help limit greedhead growers and their poor land stewardship practices from over-planting, over-fertilization and the poisoning our wildlife and streams.
    An outright ban on growing marijuana would only bring back a resurgence of guerrilla farms in the forests. It has been illegal “forever”. How has that worked out? The war against MJ is over. MJ won. Get over it. Would somebody please just come up with a strain that doesn’t smell like a dead skunk?

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  46. Don Blanscet Avatar
    Don Blanscet

    Where have I “blamed” (your words not mine) the Tea Party? I simply predicted that the Tea Party will sit silent as Legislative tactics we (note the we) abhor (not reading and understanding) are used against a faction we don’t like. I criticized the Tea Party I did not blame the tea party. Nor did I for that matter state a preference for either side of the issue. Realize it is your blog however accuracy is important. Once again I predict the Tea Party faction (us) will sit silent as tactics we are supposed to oppose are used against our fellow citizens. Red hypocrisy is as offensive as blue hypocris
    72,000 dollars for an election?! why don’t we spend more time on consensus and less time on oppression??

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    DonB 740am – FYI, busy blogs like RR have long ‘comment streams’ that support several concurrent ‘comment threads’ with different participants on divers topics. When you don’t start your comment with a referent or addressee, then no one knows who you are addressing or what the conversation is about. And few readers will care to scroll up and start doing research to discover who you are talking to, so give ’em a break por favor.

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    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 20 January 2016 at 08:29 AM
    …that support several concurrent ‘comment threads’ with different participants on divers topics.

    George I for one would welcome a thread on topics important to divers! πŸ˜‰

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  49. Don Blanscet Avatar
    Don Blanscet

    George
    Point taken. “accuracy is important.”

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  50. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 846am – Apologies, am showing my age and old school upbringing.
    For the interested reader ‘divers’ refers to multiples or more than one in counting things, while ‘diverse’ refers to different kinds of things. Its a distinction often overlooked as modern English loses its information carrying capacity in the age of expanding dumbth.

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