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George Rebane

Re Ms Annamaria Sauer’s letter in the 26dec15 Union responding to the charge that the NC Republican Women Federated are wasting their time deriving a biased, therefore worthless, audit of the newspaper’s count of publishing politically slanted op-ed content. The local hard Left has long criticized The Union as being tilted toward the Right in its editorial stance.  Some have even labeled the paper as the ‘Tea Party Gazette’, and taken to task every piece that does not support their own ideology on the accusation that the paper’s management willfully rejects presenting a “balanced” outlook that reflects the view of our “purple county”.

Of course, unsurprisingly none of this is backed up by a shred of evidence – it is simply a naked assertion that gains traction mainly with the community’s light thinkers. So it is strange, but still unsurprising given their proclivities, that they dun the effort by the NCRWF to actually individually assess and count the pieces into primarily ‘liberal’, ‘neutral’, and ‘conservative’ categories.  The Left further charges that such efforts are worthless because the NCRWF is intrinsically a conservetarian organization.  But as someone long ago said, ‘Let him among you who is unbiased perform the first such audit.’


No doubt the NCRWF audit of The Union reflects the assessors’ ideology, but the results presented to The Union were in great detail down to the individual column, cartoon, and letter. If the categorical assignments were slanted, they could be easily discovered by anyone claiming a more ideologically correct visage.  I’m sure that The Union would even release the data to anyone willing to go through the effort.

(The actual scope of the NCRWF audit extended to discovering inconsistencies in The Union’s published policy about what submittals from which authors at what frequencies and lengths were in fact printed. The results, which he failed to mention in his article, surprised publisher Jim Hemig.  Nevertheless Mr Hemig was happy to receive the audit and has since then issued to its readership the “January Challenge” to replicate the ideological assessment introduced by the NCRWF.) 

But the original criticism that such an audit of our newspaper was/is a waste of time is both gratuitous and totally unwarranted because 1) it does provide a documented datapoint of The Union’s existential perspective, 2) it is by far not the only community service that the NCRWF performs as outlined by Ms Sauer, and 3) neither the critic nor the community were harmed by Mr Hemig’s report of his receipt of the NCRWF audit. The only ones left with egg on their faces are those of the loudly ignorant Left whose unfounded assertions were exposed.

[29dec15 update]  The NCRWF audit continues to draw interest from the local Left that seems to be a bit put off that their ad hoc assessment of our newspaper’s political leaning was shown to be not only unfounded, but diametrically wrong.  The latest effort to diminish the audit takes the cloak of scientific scrutiny – did the audit succumb to “scientific method”?

The NCRWF made no such claim when the audit’s data was presented and discussed with Union’s management which by all accounts accepted it as is.  In my extensive readings on such audits, there is no claim by anyone that assessments of ideology are scientific in the rigorous sense.  They may adhere to some principles of scientific enquiry and reporting, but are such polls true science?  Not at all.  What the Left chooses to ignore is that the NCRWF did communicate its methodology, presented a complete database of its assessments, and provided summary statistics on both ideological leaning and policy infractions.  All of this invites both critical examination and replication as part of the scientific method.

But what is going on here for the light thinking audience is the floated innuendo that the audit claimed something other than what was reported, and that the audit was not ‘scientific’ therefore at least of no consequence, and possibly even launched to promote a political agenda.  I invite this audit to be compared to any other much published assessments of media bias which repeatedly conclude that, say, the NYT and Wash Post are editorially liberal.  No one on those newspapers or of the progressive persuasion will admit to that; both cohorts will claim that their products survey the world through unbiased eyes and report it with what they consider commendable balance.

PolarizedPolling_Dec2015

Since (as a NCRWF Associate Member) I am familiar with how the audit was conducted, I can report to you that among the criteria used in the assessment included those reported in the 29dec15 WSJ by Gerald Seib – ‘Most Important Election 2016 Feature: Deep and Growing Ideological Divide’.  (Emphasis mine)  From the article the graphic above shows the parties’ divide on the characteristics used in the assessment process of the audit.  From a Bayesian perspective these characteristics represent very reasonable criteria for categorizing the ideology of the Union’s or anyone else’s published op-ed items.

 

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103 responses to “Republican Women “wasting time”? (updated 29dec15)”

  1. Annamaria S. Sauer Avatar
    Annamaria S. Sauer

    Thank you George for your well stated background and reason for my article.
    Annamaria

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Libs started all the “fact checking” frenzies back when they thought George W. Bush was a stupid dolt. Now when the R gals do a little comparison those same libnuts can’t deal with it. Spolied brats not getting their way.
    Hre is the latest Trump vs Clinton and it is all for Paul Emery. LOL! A tie!
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/clinton_vs_trump_still_a_dead_heat

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Good research Todd. This time your sources justify your statements. Well done.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    There’s nothing wrong with a group of people, in this case the NC Republican Women Federated, creating a boutique poll using their personal lights as an exercise to fulfill their curiosity on a given issue, in this case the editorial tendencies of the Union newspaper. Besides fulfilling their own needs for that information I don’t see what other value it has.

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  5. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Paul@03:21PM
    Let’s look at some of the facts in the case.
    1) Liberal blogger keeps harping about The Union being too conservative, without any supporting evidence other than his opinion. His echo chamber of lefty commenters jumps on the bandwagon without providing any supporting evidence.
    2) Republican Women decide to examine the left’s claim that The Union has a conservative bias. They invest time and talent in the investigation and compile a database that includes the criteria used for the analysis. They concluded the Union was biased, based on their data analysis. They presented the data to The Union in a form and format that would allow additional analysis by The Union staff.
    3) In summary:
    A. Left: Claims The Union is the Tea Party Gazette and is leaning conservative, but does not provide any supporting evidence or data.
    B. Republican Women: Claims The Union has a left leaning bias and provides the supporting data for additional analysis.
    C. Left’s claim cannot be validated; there is no data to replicate, only some biased opinions. The Republican Women’s claim can be validated by analysis and replication. Replication being the gold standard for scientific analysis.
    You can draw your conclusion, but I am going to support the most scientific method for answering the question of The Union’s bias .

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 321pm – I made no claim that there was anything “wrong” with NCRWF’s auditing of the Union’s editorial policy. As to the audit’s additional value, you would need to consult with Mr Hemig who confirmed his interest in the information presented to him, and was pleased that a community group would make the considerable effort to collect data about both the Union’s political leanings and also its adherence to its own stated policies.
    RussS’ 416pm withstanding, your comment sounds like a continuing diminution by the Left of the women’s effort. Perhaps I have misinterpreted.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Russ
    Do you claim that the NCRWF’s audit of the Union is “scientific method” ? If so what is the definition of Conservative” that they adhere to as part of an axiom of truth?

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Paul@09:53PM
    More scientific than unsupported claims The Union is the Tea Part Gazette by the local left. The NVRWF established an evaluation criteria and used that criteria to evaluate the papers content over a specific period of time. According to an RR post: “The audit revealed that of the 329 pieces published, 140 espoused liberal views, 90 were conservative, and 99 were neutral.”
    It appears the criteria focused on the writers views as expressed in the content. Not having participated in the analysis, I cannot say how rigorous they applied the criteria.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Less government regulation and interference in our lives. Individual rights protected above all, capitalism, mostly unfettered. No PC. More later.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd writes:
    “Less government regulation and interference in our lives. Individual rights protected above all, capitalism, mostly unfettered.”
    Nice to know that you are in support of right to grow Medical Marijuanain your backyard and the right to distribute and sell for a profit.

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  11. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 29Dec15 10:32 AM
    Honestly, Paul, this putting of your words in others’ mouths is getting more than just a bit tedious.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Did I say that? No Paul, you just can’t resist putting words in others mouths. I do not think heroin, meth or PCP should be legal either. There is a level of community protection necessary since not all addicts are trustworthy.

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  13. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The right to distribute and sell for profit.’ PE. No such right in the constitutional sense exists, so said the supreme court of CA.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don:
    What does
    “Less government regulation and interference in our lives. Individual rights protected above all, capitalism, mostly unfettered.” Mean to you? Those are Todd’s words.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Predictable response Todd
    So can we agree that your type of “Conservative” and that of Libertarians is distinctly different. What gives you the franchise rights to that label? Yes, some drug addicts are not trustworthy, neither are alcoholics. Do you believe Pot smokers are not necessarily drug addicts much like all drinkers are not drunks.
    AlsoDon, do you believe Prohibition should not have been repealed?

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, I can certainly have any position I want about anything. What gives you the right to judge anyone?
    Drugs seem to be your thing Paul Emery. Are you a user of these poisons? Are you not the same person criticizing those that would try and keep mentally ill people from harming others? You seem to forget there are dangers on planet earth and there must be some rules to keep the innocent people safe from drug addicts stealing and murdering. Don’t you agree?
    When you use a drug Paul Emery, do you do it to be HIGH? Or just because it tastes good?

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Really weak diversion Todd. Once again do you believe Prohibition should have been repealed?

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Of course Prohibition should have been repealed. What is your point? Your arguments are so weak Paul Emery that you look foolish. Answer my questions please.
    If you use drugs you always get high and are a danger to yourself and others. If you have one drink you are not. You really are out of your league on this discussion.

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  19. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Todd Juvinall 29Dec15 12:06 PM
    Your statement is specious as a large majority of people demonstrate measurable impairment after consuming one drink.
    Alcohol is a drug, period.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Specious? Hardly. Give us your proof or take a class in logic.

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  21. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Todd Juvinall 29Dec15 01:00 PM
    A specious statement or argument is one that is superficially plausible but actually wrong. Your statement that one drink (presumably of an alcoholic beverage) does not (to paraphrase) impair exactly fits the definition of specious.

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Sorry you are wrong. My point is actually in law .08 So You are simply the specious one. Prove to us that one drink gets a person high (1 oz being a drink) while science says one doobie get you high. Or one tab of LSD, or one or two puffs of meth. You see, you can’t win this.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Of course alcohol is a drug and highly addictive as well. Todd, do you think for one minute that the cases of peppermint vodka on display at Bonanza market at $5.99/bottle are for those who only have one drink? I am curious about what threshold marijuana exceeds that justify the government taking control of our choices and freedoms that alcohol avoids. Any ideas?
    By the way, law enforcement opposed ending prohibition right till the end, which was by a constitutional amendment. If they had their way it would be a felony to have a beer watching a football game.
    This whole exercise is a test of your so called “Conservative” values. Freedom from government, sure Todd.

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  24. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    A blood alcohol content (BAC) of 0.08% is a limit used for the purposes of establishing illegal operation of motor vehicles but impairment begins at lower levels. The first hit from a Google search for “alcohol impairment” led to http://www.anellixavier.com/dui-foundation/drunkdriving/impairment/ from which I here quote.
    “Most people begin to feel the effects of alcohol when their BAC ranges between 0.03% and 0.059%. At this point, the person feels mild euphoria, relaxation, and talkativeness, but he or she suffers from impaired alertness, judgment, coordination, and concentration.”
    So the question becomes, “How much does one drink raise one’s BAC?” A table at http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html indicates that one drink can raise a person who weighs 100 pounds or less to 0.04%, 100 to 140 pounds to 0.03%, and above 140 pounds to 0.02%.
    One drink impairs. Q.E.D.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul; Emery, when you put the drug cartels into the mix you become complicit in their murders. Does that please you? If American were less sheep about drugs and said no, the cartels would dry up. But thousands of murders, burglaries and muggings happen every day so you can get your fix of meth or MJ or heroin. I don’t see many people getting their peppermint schnapps burgled.
    MKesti, .08 is considered impairment. Your noggin is affected by the drinking. One drink does not on average cause that. One doobie does.

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  26. jon smith Avatar
    jon smith

    Todd 12/29/15 13:14
    You lost this one. Despite what the average alcoholic will claim, alcohol is a recreational drug, no ifs, and, or buts. The FAA will pull your license if you fly with a BA > .04 OR if you consume ANY amount of alcohol within 8 hours of flying (“8 hours from bottle to throttle”). As defined by the BATF ETOH is a conscious altering drug. They do not quibble over BAC.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Todd, do you advocate Federal law over State law in this matter opening up our backyards Federal inspection and violators charged with felonies or States rights prevailing if States decide to support medical and or recreational mj use and cultivation?

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That question is for Don as well.

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  29. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 29Dec15 01:29 PM
    I agree that this is a question of conservative values. As such, I feel that it is not a valid role of government to protect me from myself by prohibiting me from ingesting some substances but that it is a valid role of government to protect us from each other by controlling access to those substances. This justifies controlled access to alcohol and tobacco and indicates that other drugs should also be so controlled.
    Todd Juvinall 29Dec15 01:50 PM
    The murders, burglaries, and muggings occur because of drugs’ illegal status. You don’t see these in relation to alcohol only because alcohol is accessible. The events that occurred between the ratifications of the 18th and 21st Amendments to the United States Constitution proves these!
    0.08% BAC is the legal limit of impairment but, as indicated in the supporting references that I provided, impairment begins at lower levels. Your attempt at proof by vigorous assertion proves nothing.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    jon smith | 29 December 2015 at 01:57 PM
    I never said alcohol was not what you say it is. My point is one drink is not the same as one doobie, one meth pipe hit or one heroin dose. So I am not losing anything.
    Paul Emery, 2:02
    No, I prefer states rights. I am not against the people voting something in that conflicts with the Feds. If they want to pillory all the Paul Emery types in the city square I would support that if they voted it in as well.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks Todd, you’re a wonderful human being and a great example of the American dream of freedom and compassion.
    Definition pillory
    noun
    noun: pillory; plural noun: pillories
    1.
    a wooden framework with holes for the head and hands, in which an offender was imprisoned and exposed to public abuse.
    synonyms: stocks
    “offenders were put in the pillory”
    verb
    verb: pillory; 3rd person present: pillories; past tense: pilloried; past participle: pilloried; gerund or present participle: pillorying
    1.
    put (someone) in the pillory.
    2.
    attack or ridicule publicly.
    “he found himself pilloried by members of his own party”
    synonyms: attack, criticize, censure, condemn, denigrate, lambaste, savage, stigmatize, denounce;

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  32. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Todd Juvinall 29Dec15 02:09 PM
    OK, Todd. I agree that various drugs have differing effects and degrees of impairment. How does that justify the criminalization of some but not of others?
    By what measure, other than your personal opinion, do you draw the line? If personal opinion is all that you have how is that not oppressive?

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 29 December 2015 at 02:14 PM
    Paul you use absurd comments and points and I return they favor. Get some humor in those creaky old fart bones. Jeeze!
    MKesti 2:22 pm
    The reason there is no “standard” I suppose is because humans are not monolithic in their views. We live in a country where people vote. You get 51% of them to say Paul Emery should be pilloried in the city center, then there you go. If you want a monolithic set of rules and outcomes and hopes and dreams, try the old USSR. Oh that’s right. Even with a gun to the head of their people they could not force everyone to be the “same”. So, I hope that clears things up.

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  34. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Todd Juvinall 29Dec15 02:34 PM
    It has been said that a democracy is like two wolves and a sheep getting together to decide who is for dinner. This is why our founding fathers came up with a representative democracy in the form of a republic. There is no way, in this country, that your example of 51% of the voters could make such a decision.
    I find it frightful that a person who has been and has indicated he may try to again become a county supervisor doesn’t have an extremely strong grasp on this concept.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah Todd, it’s pretty funny to make jokes about being attacked and publicly ridiculed in
    a wooden framework with holes for the head and hands

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    How did my post on auditing The Union wind up as a venue for discussing public policy on recreational drugs??
    Take your fine arguments to the nearest sandbox, and dammit, stay on topic!

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I’m trying to get some kind of definition from Todd about what a “Conservative” is. Without some kind of agreement on that topic how can any left-right evaluation of the Union preferences be conducted?

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I actually think this is a perfect venue for this topic. Paul Emery started asking his questions, got answers he and Kesti don’t like, then they attack. Of course, I have to respond to the attackers who have no idea what they are talking about regarding what a conservative is. Kesti is frightening me even more than Emery. My goodness, he does not know squat about anything. He must be a public school grad.
    Anyway, The Republican women did a good service for the community on this topic. The community has debated this for 40 years and now we have some info to base a decision on. How the Emery/Kesti minds cannot understand this is really amazing as they both portray themselves as knowledgeable. Obviously they are both ignorant.

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  39. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    ” My goodness, he does not know squat about anything. He must be a public school grad.”
    Are you not a Public school grad yourself Todd?

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    You have done a good job being an example of what a conservative isn’t. I’ll stick with my Libertarian friends on that topic. And once again your mental brilliance is overwhelming so I concede.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Thanks for conceding to my obvious brilliance Paul Emery. Study up, come back when you dare.
    Robert Cross, yes I was a graduate of a public school. That is my point. Jeeze!

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  42. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    Todd: by saying that Paul does not know squat because he is a public school grad, are not you saying the same thing of yourself by stating you too are a public school grad?

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Absolutely. Now you get it. You must be one too?

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    Establishing the definition and characteristics of a conservative is yesterday’s newspaper. I have even included major characteristics in this post, and a more complete definition in these pages including the Conservatarian Credo. ToddJ can publish his own take on the definition of conservative in a succinct comment here, or on his own blog. Maneuvering for mudballs and snarky gotchas here does resolve the denigration of the NCRWF solicited by their audit. For those who missed it, ToddJ did not participate in the NCRWF audit.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    News update. While the left may indulge in Political Correctness the Right indulges in Conservative Correctness. From the one percent Rick Ssntorum
    “The former senator from Pennsylvania told NewsmaxTV’s Steve Malzberg Show that social conservative votes are going to Cruz and Republican front-runner Donald Trump, neither of which, he said, “are particularly strong social conservatives.”
    “Donald Trump has never been a social conservative up until the last few months, and Ted Cruz takes the position, very much a 10th Amendment, states rights, which is, you know, very much Rand Paul, Ron Paul position,” Santorum said.
    “They’re being sold, Ted Cruz says, ‘Oh, I’m this social conservative,’” Santorum continued, saying people haven’t had a chance to actually look the candidates positions on social issues.
    Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave. There’s no way he would contend with this group.

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I actuality complimented the gals and PaulE denigrated them. I know what a conservative is just like the SCOTUS said the knew porn when they saw it. PaulE is simply playing but this go around was trounced by me and GeorgeR.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I never denigrated them Todd. I just questioned the importance of such a random survey by what is a private special interest club. I’m sure the Union was flattered and took the information for what it was. I never believed the Union was the Tea Party Gazette so you can take me off that list. It’s actually a very good small town newspaper that attempts to present news and views in a fair and balanced manner. We should be so fortunate.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, sure you did. You use the tried and true crapola you learned as a “journalist”. So transparent. Besides, you never question the left so we all know here your innate bias and we chuckle at your denials.

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  49. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Good God Emery, you feel that you can invoke RR and project your world views onto him. No way jose. You should look at the facts of the elections the gipper was in and who the all the players were. He was able to bring people together in a way not seen since on a national level. Lets not forget his evolution as the Dems evolved into something he did not recognize. I look forward to the young voters getinng a ‘reset’ on the Clinton era talking points now that they are b-12 ing Bill and sending him in the field. 😉

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