226 responses to “Sandbox – 15dec15”

1. 

   Bill Tozer

   16 December 2015

   Anybody see the debate? Missed it so I will have to see what the resigned to lowering heads media has to say. No passion.
   Until then, I will read the tweets and see some first reactions. I have a feeling it was non-eventful. But just the name Bernie gets gets us al riled up.
   https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/764113250389381/?type=3&theater
   Ah, I see a Cruz fan out there. And Rubio fans. This Trump thang is getting my fellow neo-cons all discombobulated.
   https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/764082770392429/?type=3&theater

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   Bill Tozer

   16 December 2015

   My, this is a change of events. Actually, WOW. Wondered why Russia was giving air cover and weapons to the Syrian Rebels (US backed) a couple of days ago to fight ISIS. Now it makes sense.
   http://freebeacon.com/national-security/in-apparent-reversal-obama-admin-not-seeking-regime-change-in-syria/

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   Jon

   16 December 2015

   Hay “walt”, funny stuff, but I do think most of America and the world use the scientific charts and analysis of NOAA and NASA for a multitude of purposes. Major corporations, institutions and insurance companies use them for projections into the future. So help us- which credible scientific organization has accused them of being fraudulent? Lord Monckton isn’t in that category :)..just so we get that out of the way.

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   Gregory

   16 December 2015

   There’s NASA, Then there’s NASA-GISS, James Hanson’s domain that was tolerated because of his ability to shake Congress down for big buck satellites and other sundries. It’s ironic that in order to sell the warming, GISS plays down satellite measurements and focuses on their heavily adjusted, sliced and diced (aka homologated) terrestrial temperature datasetwhose warming trend is disturbingly equivalent to the average “corrections” that are applied.
   “Jon”, wake up.

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5. 

   Walt

   16 December 2015

   Your Right “jon”.. Even the gov. used that manipulated horse shit (and still do) to impose laws. The ECO bastards that have infested gov. don’t give a crap about real facts.
   Just like pushing unviable energy sources, and making us pay for it.

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   Walt

   16 December 2015

   BTW “jon”, The “chicken littles” of your belief (agw) claimed the North Pole would be “ice free” as of today.(actually two months ago) because of AGW. (back in the 90’s)
   That prediction sure worked out swell.

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   fish

   16 December 2015

   I guess not then…….
   http://www.mrctv.org/blog/video-chris-matthews-asked-whether-he-still-has-thrill-his-leg-not-amused

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   fish

   16 December 2015

   I guess we need to start working on unseating Ryan next…..
   New Ryan budget hands out goodies for NASCAR tracks, racehorses, teachers, college students…
   Meets Obama’s Priorities…
   Funds for ‘climate’ deal survive…
   Planned Parenthood Praises…
   The Republican Party…..standing against the poor judgement offered by Democrat spenthrifts.
   /sarc

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9. 

   Gregory

   16 December 2015

   Fish, I thought you were more realistic than that. There will be sausage as long as there is more than one politician involved.

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10. 

    fish

    16 December 2015

    Posted by: Gregory | 16 December 2015 at 01:48 PM
    Sometimes I take leave of my senses.

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11. 

    Walt

    16 December 2015

    “jon” would sign this.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16/yale-fail-ivy-leaguers-caught-on-video-clamoring-to-kill-first-amendment/
    ““I decided to take this campus free speech debate to its logical conclusion,” said Horowitz, who asked students if they’d sign a petition calling for an outright repeal of the First Amendment. “The result was this unbelievable display of total stupidity.”
    In fact, Horowitz discovered a solid majority of the students asked willingly signed the petition, with several expressing their enthusiastic approval for his anti-First Amendment efforts.
    “I think it’s really awesome that you’re out here,” said one student.”

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12. 

    George Boardman

    16 December 2015

    Ryan’s budget deal features more spending and larger deficits thanks to a lot of sweetheart tax breaks.
    Explain to me how he’s different from Boehner.

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13. 

    fish

    16 December 2015

    Posted by: George Boardman | 16 December 2015 at 04:12 PM
    Explain to me how he’s different from Boehner.
    He’s insufficiently mockable for my tastes……making fun of Boehner was easy…..like hunting dairy cattle with a deer rifle.
    Ryan still (until this makes the rounds anyway) has a shred of credibility.

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14. 

    Jon

    16 December 2015

    “walt”, why would I sign that? You are making no sense. If you can point to a single comment I have ever made in relation to free speech issues on college campuses, please do.

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15. 

    jon smith

    16 December 2015

    Walt 12/16 10:33. “Even the gov. used that manipulated horse shit (and still do) to impose laws. ”
    There are hundreds of private climatologists whose livlihoods depend on making correct predictions for private agriculture. It doesn’t behoove them in the slightest to bamboozle their clients. As a group, these prognosticators are in the climate change camp. Even Georgia Pacific (owned by Koch) has a team of climate specialists to help them predict long range forecast for multi decade crops such as pine trees. Based on climate change predictions, Coca Cola has bought swaths of land in Mexico for FUTURE orange production (Minute Maid). Currently their base is further south in Belize but they expect more favorable growing conditions to migrate northward.

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    Scott Obermuller

    16 December 2015

    j.s. at 4:35 – “Based on climate change predictions, Coca Cola has bought swaths of land in Mexico for FUTURE orange production (Minute Maid). Currently their base is further south in Belize but they expect more favorable growing conditions to migrate northward.”
    Now why is it that they expect this to happen?
    They aren’t a successful company because they spend a lot of money on useless land.
    Is it because –
    A: The climate in that particular part of the world will become better for growing oranges no matter what?
    B: They believe in AGW, but think nothing will actually be done by the developed countries to prevent it?
    C: Oranges can (and are) grown in several areas of the US and Canada, but Belize and Mexico are simply better places to grow them for a higher profit and AGW is a great way to act all PC while hiding the fact that they grow their oranges in a way that would infuriate the greenies and the human rights crowd.

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17. 

    fish

    16 December 2015

    Yep…..good thing we vote for republicans.
    http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/12/secret-deal-quadruples-foreign-workers-in-u-s/

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18. 

    Gregory

    16 December 2015

    Jon s 435
    “As a group, these prognosticators are in the climate change camp.”
    Source for this claim?

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19. 

    Scott Obermuller

    16 December 2015

    Jon is so cute when he tries:
    “I think that a gun serves a slightly different purpose there, Scotty.:)”
    Uh – well, that’s true to a point.
    I use guns for target practice and hunting.
    Others use cars to murder innocent people.
    Others use gasoline to make molotov cocktails and incinerate folks.
    Driving a car is a privilege, Jon.
    Owning a firearm is a Constitutional right.
    Now go back to your mommy and have her help you try to write something intelligent.

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20. 

    Bill Tozer

    16 December 2015

    Guns are not for hunting, shooting on the range or even self defense. Guns have a higher purpose.
    http://ij.com/2015/12/493217-this-may-be-the-best-argument-for-the-2nd-amendment/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM7&utm_campaign=

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21. 

    Bill Tozer

    16 December 2015

    https://patriotpost.us/articles/39517
    Go easy on Jon. He is stuck with Rodclam.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1187027937978717&set=p.1187027937978717&type=3&theater

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    Bill Tozer

    16 December 2015

    Scot, guns are not for hunting, target practice, or self defense. Yes, they are well fashioned for those endevears, but guns have a higher calling.
    http://ij.com/2015/12/493217-this-may-be-the-best-argument-for-the-2nd-amendment/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM7&utm_campaign=

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23. 

    Walt

    16 December 2015

    Sure you would sign something like that “jon”. You have no love for the 2ND Amendment, so why would you give a rats ass about the 1ST? The 2ND Amend. was placed second in impotence, because the idea was for it to protect the first.(and not symbolically)
    These idiots who think its a great idea to do away with free speech forget that sooner, rather than later it’s what they will say that will come back to bite them in the ass.
    Someone won’t like it.. Then watch them bitch.
    The 4TH branch of gov.(the press) won’t like losing that little document either.
    Look at all the lies they get away with telling today.

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24. 

    Ben Emery

    16 December 2015

    George,
    “At Brooklyn’s PS#169 the teachers have banned even the use of the terms ‘Christmas’, ‘Santa Claus’, ‘Thanksgiving’, and several others in school affairs as hearkening back to a time of error and religion. Adding to their decades long progress in neutralizing the American intellect, our educators are opening a second front to extinguish our culture and cultural values.”
    Maybe for the first time in American history we are starting to take a serious and objective look at those values and we are not liking what we are seeing. Christmas holiday in present form is a materialistic holiday that has little to do with Jesus Christ. I celebrate Christmas as well as Winter/ December Solstice. For the record Jesus was not born on December 25 and the day was picked by Constantine around 300 years after Jesus death. http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/emperor-constantine-faq.htm
    Santa Claus perpetuates the idea that “being good” equals presents, so what happens to children of poor families? Are they to believe they are less good because they receive less gifts and most definitely less expensive gifts?
    Thanksgiving was the natives saving the lives of desperate people and in return we committed genocide in the name of Christianity. http://www.ushistory.org/us/3b.asp
    I think the Brooklyn’s PS#169 are on to something here.

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25. 

    Jon

    16 December 2015

    “Sure you would sign something like that “jon”. You have no love for the 2ND Amendment, so why would you give a rats ass about the 1ST?” Walt
    “walt”, with logic like that I can see why you’ve been such a success in school and life.

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26. 

    Walt

    16 December 2015

    I have been vary successful in both “jon”. House is paid for, and a good six figures in the bank. How bout you?? (and not a dime in debt)
    I don’t expect you to even come close to that. I get the idea your a gov. recipient, since your all for “wealth redistribution”. Those who work their ass off are not big on getting their hard work (earned income) given to some dead beat who refuses to. Or some baby factory welfare case.
    You said you would take in a few Syrians,, but didn’t take up my challenge to take in some local homeless.(If you did you would be bragging about it.)
    And we have given back to our community. There is a building honoring our family name for that support. ( no need for you to know where, or who from.)

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27. 

    Bill Tozer

    17 December 2015

    Boy Ben, you must be a barrel of laughs around the holidays. Do you wear black this time of year?

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28. 

    Bill Tozer

    17 December 2015

    Hmm. Equal treatment.
    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A4077734&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

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29. 

    Bill Tozer

    17 December 2015

    Oh, those rascally teenagers from Morocco. What will they think of next?
    http://www.infowars.com/sweden-muslim-migrants-batter-gay-man-to-death-wrap-snake-around-his-neck/

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30. 

    George Rebane

    17 December 2015

    BenE 933pm – Since you apparently know nothing about being poor nor how poor kids think of Christmas, your politically correct remarks are understandable. When the Rebanes were poor, along with countless other refugees, none of us kids ever had a thought like you describe. We knew that the reason we didn’t get anything or very little for Christmas was because we were poor, and that would change when we were no longer poor. It has nothing to do with being bad or good, we didn’t know any kids who were that stupid.
    This says nothing about the commercialization of Christmas which actually is the result of secularizing the holiday.

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31. 

    fish

    17 December 2015

    Posted by: George Rebane | 17 December 2015 at 07:10 AM
    This says nothing about the commercialization of Christmas which actually is the result of secularizing the holiday.
    This should be mentioned more often….the corporatist left desperately wants to wring god from Christmas. We should be cheered though that people are paying attention to this conscious displacement of their culture in order to accommodate the new democratic lever pullers!

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32. 

    fish

    17 December 2015

    Hey…..Nancy and Barry there’s a new bitch in town!
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/12/paul_ryan_s_first_deal_is_just_like_john_boehner_s_old_ones.html
    DC “conservatives”……to a man…… pillow biting submissives!

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33. 

    John

    17 December 2015

    Please correct me if I am wrong here, but I recall a few weeks ago our host George revealed that the poster using the handle of “jon” had registered with an email address of “@jeffpelline.com”? In reading the comments posted by “jon”, they all have the same style and snarky attitude that is reminiscent of Jeff Pelline himself. This makes it easier for me to understand, and somewhat more comforting to remember that there are not really multiple people with the exhibited “traits”, but simply more of the same from a single person posting from “jon@jeffpelline.com.

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34. 

    Ben Emery

    17 December 2015

    George,
    Actually I know a great deal about being financially poor. I grew up in a working poor house, many of my friends were living in complete poverty, and all through my 20’s I lived below the poverty level with income. Being working poor is relative and about a person perceives themselves. Abject poverty is a different story. Not a coincidence most of my very poor friends growing up were black. 7 people and three generations jammed into a dumpy 2 bedroom apartment was the living arrangement of my best friend. Eventually he lived with us for about 5 years.
    I don’t blame you for not understanding the psyche of today’s kids due to your age and disconnect. If a child is told that if they are good Santa will bring them gifts. If one child gets a wooden truck while another receives an xbox from the same Santa what does that tell the kid who got the wooden truck? Technology has change the ballgame. You are good with numbers and formula’s but are extremely lacking in the soft science department.

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35. 

    Ben Emery

    17 December 2015

    Bill,
    Living in reality just changes how we celebrate. It is actually false Christians who have the problem here. There are many winter celebrations/ holidays and to condemn people for not only recognizing your celebration is the problem. Jesus taught tolerance and acceptance and false Christians promote it is all or nothing.
    It doesn’t mean it is a negative time of year. We celebrate all that we have, we celebrate all that is given to us, we celebrate the birth of Jesus at Christmas Eve service at United Methodist. My wife comes from a very devout Christian family and I was raised Catholic more or less.
    My mother, wife, brother and wife, friends, and myself will celebrate the December/ Winter Solstice as we do every year as well. Since I am non practicing Jew (moms side) with many Jewish friends I do recognize Hanukkah as well. So this time of year is tons of cooking, eating, drinking, and time spent with loved ones celebrating life.
    Have a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays since there are so many this time of year.

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    Ben Emery

    17 December 2015

    “…false Christians promote it is all or nothing.” means it is all Christian celebration or nothing, which is funny since the religion Christianity was born out of has its own celebration earlier in the month of December.
    http://www.reformjudaism.org/hanukkah-history

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37. 

    Walt

    17 December 2015

    Ben is now officially the local “Grinch”. “jon”, is his one horned reindeer dog.
    The “spirit of giving” Ben,, You need to “spend” to get something to give. Deal with it.
    The young ones in the Emery house call you “Uncle Scrooge”?
    I can see you shooting out the neighbors Christmas lights with a pellet gun.
    I don’t recall anyone giving you crap about whatever festivities your “religion” holds.
    Now Paul, on the other hand, wanted to dance naked down at the river. (yaa… picture that…) Now THAT would cause little children to seek therapy. That “celebration” needs to stay on private property.(and a good screening fence)

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    Paul Emery

    17 December 2015

    Thats right Walt. The local Druid Buddhists sect celebrate XMAS by meditating naked at their favorite pool on the South Yuba right in the middle of the State Park. They call ourselves Dru Buus by the way. The Druid Deists gather nearby celebrating the coming of the Great Whatever that created our universe. Freedom of religion or non-religion serves us all in this Holy Solstice season.

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39. 

    Russ Steele

    17 December 2015

    Hmm? Humans Caused a Major Shift in Earth’s Ecosystems 6,000 Years Ago
    “We upended a pattern held for 300 million years, and that may mean we are causing a new phase in global evolution”
    000
    “However, this study is not likely to help set the date scientists will use to mark the start of the Anthropocene. The Anthropocene Working Group is due to make that decision in 2016, and they’re more likely to rely on the accepted practice of identifying a well-defined line in the sand—or in most cases, the rock—that represents the sum of environmental changes denoting the shift from one time period to the next.
    Chair of the working group and professor of paleobiology at the University of Leicester, Jan Zalasiewicz, says that line is likely to have been drawn in 1952, when fallout from thermonuclear weapons tests deposited a distinct radioactive signature in sediment around the world.
    “Radionuclides do not represent as big a change to the Earth system as do the changes in population dynamics described in the paper, but they do provide a sharper time marker,” he wrote in an e-mail. And that’s what the working group is looking for. What the current paper contributes to the discussion, however, may be something even bigger on Zalasiewicz’s radar.”
    Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/humans-caused-major-shift-earths-ecosystems-6000-years-ago-180957566/#6s8XMCvDO6pp9W1x.99
    This is beginning to look like some justification for Agenda 21 corridors between habitats.

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40. 

    drivebyposter

    17 December 2015

    “Humans Caused a Major Shift in Earth’s Ecosystems 6,000 Years Ago”
    I wonder why 6,000 years is a chosen time period? (Near East agriculture?) plus they particularly mention North America.
    So far as I know, the biggest correlation/potential causation is the death of megafauna in the Americas and Australia at essentially the same time human populations were introduced. That happened quite a while before the time period given. I suppose that might put paid the notion of indigenous Americans as stewards of the landscape.

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41. 

    Scott Obermuller

    17 December 2015

    “…false Christians…”
    Wow – I thought God knew who was false and who was real.
    All we have to do is check with Ben.
    Do you have a list, Ben?
    You seem to know all of their attributes.
    Are these actual people or just another straw man assembly?
    Since there are devout Christians in your family, are any of them the Christians that are the ‘we’ that were slaughtering injuns?.
    I checked, and neither myself nor anyone I know killed the native population off and no one in my family background did.
    Just who is the ‘we’?

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42. 

    Gregory

    17 December 2015

    Russ, you need to stop taking press release science without more than a few grains of salt. One highly speculative paper is nothing to base public policy upon… the authors hope other teams will look for more pairs. Maybe they will.
    I thought it was clear that between hunting, having the ability to kill competing predators and agriculture, humans have been affecting ecosystems for far longer than 6,000 years and will as long as humans exist.
    Perhaps we can resurrect the Dire Wolf and its prey and relocate them to some large island with some Agenda 21 fans outfitted in pre Stone Age Paleolithic splendor to keep a watch on them.

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43. 

    Bonnie McGuire

    17 December 2015

    If you’ve paid attention to archeology, history, legends and what explorers have written you’ll notice that humans have been migrations round and round the earth for thousands of years….for many reasons. Most of us don’t have any idea what was here in America before/after the glaciers.
    http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Discovery

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44. 

    fish

    17 December 2015

    BTW this clown who goes by the handle “John” over at Rebane’s blog thinks I’m the “Jon” who posts there. No, I sign my name. The trouble with the dear “Johns” of the world is that they are clueless to think more than one person (me) might disagree with their diatribes. They are in the minority, a handful of people talking to each other in what some have called “the circle of stupid.”
    If I have something to say “John,” I will say it to your face and sign my name. Anyone who knows me knows that. You, on the other hand, are a coward, hiding behind a fake handle. “Chicken little” (AKA John).
    Suuuure you will Gloria…..sure you will.
    (fish slinks away cackling hysterically………)

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45. 

    John

    17 December 2015

    fish, 1:19 PM. So then, from the response by the “real Jeff Pelline” we are to believe that someone, “jon” has fraudulently registered themselves as “@jeffpelline.com” in order to pose as JP. Just trying to understand why anyone would want to pretend to be him? Chicken Little.

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46. 

    Walt

    17 December 2015

    Paul.. “Druid Buddhists” Now THERE is a GOOD ONE!! The Druids most likely NEVER met a Buddhist. (in reality) Nice way to highjack religions, run them through a meat grinder, and form to fit. Yup lest take a little of this one, a little of that, remove this part insert some made up stuff from thin air. That’s the Nevada City way.
    Funny,, Did a quick look of that.
    http://kwelos.tripod.com/celts/druids.htm
    Yup,, it’s only a Nevada City thing. But whatever floats your boat.

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47. 

    Walt

    17 December 2015

    BTW Paul, Being naked within a state park is illegal. Better find some FED land where it is. (got a permit for that open fire? Another state park no-no.)

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48. 

    fish

    17 December 2015

    Posted by: John | 17 December 2015 at 01:41 PM
    When I first started posting here I used my pseudonym and that pissed jeffy off to no end. And that’s fine….jeffys specialty is mindless indignance. I found out later that he himself was like a rash at a number of local blogs (and his own when the numbers fall to 2 visitors a week…..hi Annie!) with sockpuppets.
    Apparently “Gloria Zane”….or “Gloria the Knife” as some preferred was his most famous alter ego. He seems to do better with female sock puppets for some reason…..I leave the “why” to each reader.
    Initially I though “jon” was jeffy but as bitchy as our “jon” can be at times he/she simply can’t match our little jeffy in pomposity, psychological projection….and sad to say….. simply awful writing.

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49. 

    Bill Tozer

    17 December 2015

    John, nobody would want to pretend to be The Jolly Purple Foghorn Leghorn. HE has to pretend to be somebody else so HE can get a second opinion and “they” can set us uncouth knuckledraggers on the good path. Our minds are not right and “theirs is. That is why they talk in stereo. Kinda creepy, but consider the source.

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50. 

    Bill Tozer

    17 December 2015

    My gal is smoking hot and boy can she parse the meaning of what is is. I thought this was going bye-bye, but it is still around. The term “ineligible to hold public office” has a nice ring to it.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/17/hillary-clinton-criminal-investigation-keeps-moving-forward.html
    It’s a political witch hunt directed at my gal, the one without the horns.

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