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George Rebane

The San Bernardino massacre investigation continues.  Given the evidence to date, the authorities still cannot decide whether it was just ‘workplace violence’ or the latest attack by Islamic terrorists.  What is reported by the news services – Associated Press, WSJ, … – is pretty compelling (more here).  We do know that –

1. The two shooters were Muslims – Syed Farook, a native born American citizen, and Tashfeen Malik, the immigrant wife of Farook and the mother of their 6-month old child.
2. Farook had travelled to Saudi Arabia last year from where he returned with Malik.
3. Upon his return he grew a beard as do many newly devout Muslim men.
4. He worked for San Berdoo county as a restaurant inspector, was a model citizen, and had no criminal record.
5. Before their 2dec15 attack at a county facility where a holiday party was in progress, the couple had made extensive preparations for acts of terror at their home which included pipe bombs, IEDs, radio controlled vehicles besides obtaining the full combat gear which they wore during their killing spree.  Earlier that day they gave their baby into the care of relatives.
6. Authorities on the scene stated that Farook and Malik were definitely executing a “planned mission”.  Given the preparations, there was no evidence of spontaneity in their attack.

There will undoubtedly be more and the story is still developing.  But what I want to cover here is that again we have an atrocious act of terror carried out by formerly normal people who worked, were raising a family, blended in admirably, and gave no evidence of anything aberrant before they acted.  In hindsight, the only attribute that connected them to such previous attacks is that the couple were practicing Muslims.

A Bayesian would take a look at the evidence and rationally conclude that yes, given the recent history of radical Islam and jihad, and the tenets of their faith, this couple would have a higher probability of being terrorists in waiting as they finally demonstrated to the world.  (For those who disagree, the Bayesian would be compelled to change his mind given evidence that religious belief was not a supportive/determinant factor.)

From the worldview which apparently guided Farook and Malik and so many Muslims today, is that these terrorists were courageous, self-sacrificing soldiers acting for and with the blessings of Allah.  They were prepared to die and die they did in the service of their faith.  In that worldview they were not cowards or miscreants but model mujahedeen serving as exemplars to their fellow believers in the spread of Islam. 

And to execute their plan they practiced taqiya to perfection.  Students of Islam and readers of these pages know that taqiyya or taqiya (q.v.) is the scripturally sanctioned practice of dissimulation and other forms of perfidy including the denial of one’s faith that is allowed Muslims if such practice may serve to promote the greater goals of Islam.  All such surprise attacks by Muslims living among us here and overseas are launched subsequent to successful preludes of taqiya.  Where in other belief systems such practice of ambush and shattering of the social contract would be considered abhorrent, in the world of radical Islam it is a much admired and condoned facet of selfless martyrdom.

The real problem that taqiya presents to America and the west is in how should we deport ourselves with our Muslim neighbors.  To continue normal social life in our land we must presume that the large fraction of Muslims among us would never practice taqiya and lay in wait for an opportunity to kill us and ours (polls to the contrary notwithstanding).  Yet every time one of their co-religionists perpetrates such an abhorrent act, it gives all non-Muslims pause as they review their relations with their Muslim friends and neighbors.  And that exactly is the aim of the jihadists.  They want to disrupt our social order, and they want to cast suspicion on their brethren living with us so as to compel them to opt for ‘their own kind’ as they drive the wedge they have created ever deeper between Islam and the world of the Kafir (q.v.).

I don’t see any ready solution to this growing schism between our civilizations save prompt, unfailing, strenuous, loud, and large scale demonstrations by moderate Muslims during which they denounce such acts of terror.  They cannot remain silent in the face of such killings, and they cannot shelter those of their own who preach violence against the west.  In sum, they cannot ask us to trust them more than they trust us, for that we have already done.  Contrary to the pabulum spewed by progressives, taqiya is an enduring problem which yields to no simple solution.


[4dec15 update]  Taqiya on steroids indeed.  This morning’s report from the Associated Press underlines the question posed by this commentary.

With a young wife, infant daughter and government job, Syed Farook appeared to have arrived at a sweet spot in life.  Friends knew the 28-year-old by his quick smile, his devotion to Islam and his earnest talk about cars he would restore.

With such neighbors, who among us would or could suspect the worst from these snakes in the grass who lye in wait for an opportunity to strike?  One of the main functions of a common culture is the efficiency it provides in organizing the practicing society – social intercourse is made more facile and productive when you can reliably predict the behavior of those whom you befriend or do business.   Their obvious display of a common culture (or social contract) lets us focus on matters at hand that progress our relationship rather than proceed in a wary manner that may even come down to an existential and reasonable fear for our personal safety.

Humans and animals share the same instinct in that regard.  When we encounter a situation with another critter capable of harming us and whose behavior we cannot reliably predict, we do one of three things – we distance ourselves from the potential threat, e.g. flee; we bolster our ability to counteract the threat, e.g. we arm ourselves; or we pre-emptively attempt to neutralize the threat, e.g. incapacitate or kill it.  What we don’t do is conduct business as usual pretending that the risk to our own person and those in our care doesn’t exist.  Critters who didn’t successfully follow that instinct soon became extinct.

Today we are in a quandary that is exacerbated by our progressive betters.  Any discussion such as found on these pages about Islamic terrorism is proscribed, and the discussants vilified as some social cretins or lower forms of life.  The proffered wisdom is for us to continue playing the odds with members of a group that has and continues to spawn so much violence based on a fundamental hatred of our civilization and way of life.  The appeal to reason here is that their bad guys make up such a small fraction of their population (there are about 3M Muslims in the US), that we shouldn’t worry about incidents like the San Berdoo massacre.  (The Left then doubles down by again renewing their perennial assault on the Second Amendment in order to disarm law-abiding citizens, as if that mattered in reducing the Islamist terror threat.  But that is another agenda and story.)

A counter reasonable argument is to do everything to reduce the size of the suspect Muslim population to an identifiable cohort that has a higher likelihood of sourcing an attack on us.  And yes, that means that we would need to (gasp!) discriminate and bring special resources to bear to vet our Muslim neighbors in their communications, travels, and also in their mosques.  As argued here before, our Muslim neighbors would do themselves and us a great good if they volubly protested the terror acts of their jihadists, and moreover if they exposed such jihadists in waiting/training who live and hide among them.  That would provide the rest with visible evidence that ‘moderate Islam’ exists with motives and means to purge itself of elements that mean harm to all of us.

To date we have seen no such evidence.  It has been days since Mr and Mrs Farood murdered and maimed, and all we are talking about with the Muslim leaders is how we should take care not to paint all America’s Muslims as potential terrorists, while the example of the Faroods and so many before them call out for something much more proactive in countering Islamic terror.  Are there really no discernible attributes that can differentiate the high risk cohort among Muslims?  Can travel to countries where radical Islamic organizations headquarter or rule be a viable discriminant?  Most certainly evidence, such as contact with and/or pledging loyalty to organizations such the much underestimated ISIS, should be a useful and used discriminant to identify higher risk individuals.  But asking America to continue swimming in shark infested waters with nothing but the comfort of unknown statistics on our side will not help relations between the Muslim communities and their non-Muslim neighbors.

Finally, I again draw attention to the fact that taqiya and its obvious successful practice here and abroad is a proscribed topic for us to examine and discuss.  Yet it is Islam's scripturally sanctioned practice of taqiya, unique in the annals of today’s religious observances, that lays their moral foundation for unsuspected terror.

The bottom line is that institutionally we no longer have defenses against such assaults.  Christianity in decline has long ceased to be a belief system in the west that can defend itself.  And our newly strident socialist principals and principles in government call for America’s fundamental transformation, which now advocate our shrinking from Islam’s advance as the means to bring us to a global power peerage in preparation for a new world order.  And none of this is a conspiratorial undertaking, it is all happening in the open for all to see who need only look.

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112 responses to “Taqiya on Steroids? (updated 4dec15)”

  1. Peter Avatar
    Peter

    Todd: I’m glad your church is against the violence visited on abortion and women’s health centers. It would be very powerful if religious leaders would be in the public forefront of condemning those attacks.

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Peter | 04 December 2015 at 10:12 AM
    Always double down……..

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Peter, it would be very powerful for you to not withhold a denunciation of evil because you think others didn’t properly denounce a separate and prior evil act.
    I realize many progressives are upset that the recent massacre doesn’t fit their preferred template, but that’s the reality… it wasn’t a redneck.

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  4. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “I have attended a evangelical church for 12 years” Todd J.
    LOL! The definition of DISCONNECT.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    Re Peter Van Zant’s crickets responding to any evidence of “American terrorists who are committing shootings and murders almost daily in America, many in the name of their “Christen” beliefs.” Unless Mr Van Zant present even a smidgeon of such evidence of the many American terrorists acting in the name of Christ, his charge joins the baseless progressive postulations rendered in the hope that no one looks behind the curtain. Were Mr Van Zant more aware of the news he would know that there is a constant condemnation from church leaders of even the slightest violence (e.g. against abortion clinics) committed in the name of Christianity. The latest was broadcast on NPR today in its ‘Morning Edition’.
    I also draw your attention to the 4dec15 update of the above commentary.
    larryw 938am – Larry, I provided an explanatory link in my post and have defined taqiya many times in these pages, including the present commentary. A simple search of RR on the matter reveals all.
    Agree with your point distinguishing Christian and Muslim scriptures. The Christian progression was from the Old Testament’s recounting of Jews fighting their neighbors while showing no mercy, to the New Testament’s message of no violence and ‘turn the other cheek’. The careful reader will note that no Christians existed in the Old Testament which is included to provide the grander provenance to the advent of Christ. While with Islam it was the opposite – the Quran’s first 20% was written in Mecca when Islam was nascent and weak; its 80% sequel was written in Medina after Islam had established itself and was already successfully spreading by the sword. Lest there be any doubt about which part to follow, the Prophet made it clear that if later parts contradict earlier parts, the later parts apply. And the Medina Quran is anything but a prescription for a religion of peace.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Peter | 04 December 2015 at 10:12 AM
    The point is the Pastors speak of love and peace. Imams speak of murder and Jihad. Is that not clear to you?
    Please supply a incident here in America of a Christian declaring he is murdering for Christianity.
    ‘jon” no one cares what you think. You are a useful idiot for us here.

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The FBI just said the evidence pushed them off the cliff and they had to declare San Bernardino terrorism. Pushed them off the cliff?

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Peter did not come here to discuss Muslims or any Islamic bad ju-ju. He came here only to condemn the silence coming from the pulpit. I went to a church when I was a church goer and was so relieved to find out that political events were not even discussed, only in passing if ever and on topic. Pick up the yellow pages and you will find more churches than bars. Or thereabouts. You want all these groups to speak with one voice? Who might that spokesperson be? If it is God, you are out of luck. He has been banished from the public square.
    Bottom line, you came here to shout “glass houses”. Well, Peter, you a wee bit late to the Party. Brothers Ben and Paul and Pretty Boy Steve have been doing the same here, year in and year out. Must not criticize or even point the undeniable obvious in front of ones face without the cry that “there’s blood on your hands too, and you guys started it.
    Nothing new under the sun. Deflection to prevent detection. And your people say we are closed minded???????

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 1130am – Your point is well made Mr Tozer, and should be constantly highlighted in these posts (I have tried). The progressive’s answer to all assaults on America from whatever quarter – They are doing now what we did then, therefore we should understand, excuse, and forgive. And that does not even take their jaundiced perspective of our history into account.
    DonB 1129am – Given all the evidence that immediately became available and public, that it took the FBI so long to make the terrorism declaration finally convinces me that despite Director Comey’s very reasonable public image, the FBI has been co-opted and politicized by the White House. Ergo Hillary is safe.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So we now know the SB isis attackers used guns purchased by a 3rd party or straw buyer. Could that individual be one of the guys seen coming and going from the bomb factory? Interesting that there was nothing in the press conf. about all the guys the neighbors saw.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Here’s an NRA statement reported in USA Today, which is arguably more of a newspaper than Sierra Food/Whine/Art is a magazine:

    Just when we think that politics can’t sink any lower, President Obama once again proves us wrong by politicizing the tragedy in San Bernardino before the facts were even known. What we do know is that the American people are heartbroken by these horrific crimes — and despite what the president would have us believe — America’s law-abiding gun owners are heartbroken by these horrific crimes as well. At the same time, we are sick and tired of this president suggesting the men and women of the National Rifle Association are somehow to blame.
    The National Rifle Association is not to blame. Neither is our Second Amendment freedom. An act of evil unfolded in California. President Obama used it not as a moment to inform or calm the American people; rather, he exploited it to push his gun control agenda. Policy discussions should be intellectually honest and based on facts, not politics. And the fact remains that California has already adoptedPresident Obama’s gun control wish list: “universal” background checks, registration, waiting periods, gun bans, magazine bans and an expansion of prohibited gun categories. But those laws did nothing to prevent this horrific crime from taking place. Nothing.
    Here’s another fact: the president’s failed foreign policy has made us less safe. And his domestic gun control agenda would jeopardize our safety even further. In California, President Obama had what he wanted — the strictest gun control in the country — and it did not prevent this evil act. The plain truth is that the president cannot keep us safe. And his policies would leave us defenseless. That’s why our Second Amendment right to defend ourselves must be protected…

    Jeff likes to argue against caricatures where he can be assured of winning… his own sandbox. The NRA (I am not a member) has it right this time.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hear, hear. Dr. Rebane. Glad you found one reasonable voice. However, can we believe what was said? This guy may be legit, but how many many Islamic-American leaders say the same thing with knifes behind their backs ready to sink those knives into our bellies? I have heard those worlds before, then later find out they are 100% pro Sharia Law. Can we trust the words of those who say they come in peace and are but wolves in sheep’s clothing?
    The man interviewed does make a valid point. Supremacy of the Islam is not confined to members of ISIS only. A devote Islamic may not be a terrorist or a violent Islamic, but holds dearly to ISIS’s goals as being compatible with Islam in general.
    There is no real verbal test for priorities of the heart. As written before, blood is thicker than water. First love and all that. I have a trust issue at the moment. Burn me once……

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 407pm – Your points need be considered Mr Tozer. My tendency is to believe the man, since by making those statements he is putting himself at risk from some of his more theocratically ardent brethren. But I do want to draw attention to his remarks corroborating that Islamic supremacy is not limited to the extremist ragheads, but the belief and hope is held by much larger fractions of Islam, especially the man in the street. Local lefties have dunned RR every time I cite the polls that show such widespread sentiment among Muslims.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    It is interesting to see the left trying a “moral equivalency” between the head choppers and Christians. I mean, what kind of noggin does one have for that? Jeeze!

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  15. Walt Avatar

    CAIR has come out and said they don’t like Trump. Well now. Which direction do you think his poll numbers will go?
    It’s now official, it’s terrorism.(no shit) Now only second to 9/11.. So what does “O” and Co. dwell on? “gun control”.
    On the word of this attack, every CWP class is booked solid. Applications of CWPs are too numerous to count. And that’s just in Ca.
    And just a day before the shooting,, a certain guy from Nevada City was defending “these people”. Born and raised an American, then gets a wife from the “old country”,, then decides to shoot his co-workers at a Christmas party. Religion on religion crime?

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, now it will be a constant drumbeat of Blame The Wife!! Watch the media, it’s all her fault. “You can’t blame him, he was such a nice sweet boy until SHE did this to him,”
    ROTFLMAO
    For our Old Testament readers, you don’t have to read very far into Chapter 1 to come to the part when Adam and Eve broke the rules. Adam’s response to God? “That woman you gave me made me do it!!!” ( from memory). Later on, when Abraham got impatient or something, his reply was the same, “That wife of mine made me to it!” No longer blame the devil, it’s blame….as President Clinton would say, “THAT woman”.
    Oh boy, human nature has not changed much.
    The libs and their media partners (or is it the MSM and their lib partners?) are going to bend over backwards and will not rest until the murdering American citizen nice boy next door is somehow absolved from his actions. It’s wasn’t him, he is not to blame. He done got radicalized by “that woman”.
    Nothing new under the sun. But, don’t blame Islam, blame Monica. Lol.

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  17. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Walt at 6:24: “…Christmas party…”
    OMG – that’s a micro aggression right there.
    In the news, Walt, it was properly described as a ‘holiday party’.
    You’re going to spin up the Christian terrorists again with that kind of talk.
    Mr Van Zant has explained to you how that works. Pretty soon there will be another gang of Christ zealots machine gunning a mosque.
    Oh – wait. Oh, that’s right – it’s Moslems machine gunning Christians at worship. OK – never mind.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    You got something there Bill. She cut him off from the bedroom fun and games. (An Americanized woman!) ” Not until we do a jehad run.” Yup,, that would make a guy not think straight. Living with one’s Mamma under the roof was the real trigger.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    But Scott!! Most of the dead and wounded were near the Christmas tree! Was it the ham?
    Or was it the fact no goat was being dished up? Word has it someone poked a little fun
    at his crappy face hair. The kind young ECO brats try and sprout.(thin, patchy, and scraggly.) Not the nice thick and well maintained like Dr.R’s and my own.

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  20. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    I always think about Russia’s (socialist) communist labor union party leader Khrushchev being asked what religion he preferred. His answer was “Islam.” Why? It’s totalitarian, and the members can lie to accomplish their goal. And then I think about Germanys hated National Socialist (nazi) labor union party of Adolph Hitler we seem to be following. Wonder why former President Bush sr. didn’t mention the National Socialism concerning our new global government. He said it wouldn’t be communism or capitalism. However, the problem is that you can’t trust anyone who believes the end justifys the dishonest means they use to accomplish their goal. Have the Muslim Terrorists been hired to eliminate our Constitutional America of, by and for us in order to complete the new world order National Socialist world order? I really feel sorry for all the good, honest people in America and the world. The old divide and conquer stimulated by the controlled media is in full swing. Our salvation is obvious in General George Washintons vision at Valley Forge concerning the terrible third battle on our soil by the invasion of the red cloud from Europe, Africa and Asia. Although the date may have been tampered with it certainly looks like what we’re beginning to experience. It gives the solution to winning…that makes sense, because we obviously don’t have any national security.
    http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/vision.html

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, little head takes over, big head shuts down.
    Ok, just to test my last post, I just skimmed the first 3 different articles from 3 different news sources. Yep, blame the woman. In all 3, in the first or second sentence the proof is in the pudding.
    Stuff like “the Pakastain Malik led her husband on a killing spree…….she and her husband…..the wife and her husband shot up the…..
    See, she gets top billing now. 3 out of 3 mentioned her first followed by her husband, all at the first mentioning of the names of the murderers state “the wife and husband.” or a close substitute.
    Well, beauty before age. Must be a mind blowing gun chamber under that burka to make him go so crazy.
    Guess it is toss the Islamic foreigner woman under the bus and spare the US born Islamic kid next door. Boy, talk about the war on women.

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  22. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from the good Mr Van Zant – ” My other point is that given all of the gun murders in America I’m disappointed that mainstream and conservative Christian groups do not seem to be supporting sensible gun laws to reduce the carnage.”
    Dear Mr Van Zant. Let me explain something to you. When Christians in this country identify themselves as faithful followers of Christ and then attempt to opine or attempt to influence public policy, we are told to shut up and go away. That we are trying to establish a ‘theocracy’. That we are trying to ‘ram our religion’ down the public’s throat. Now you wonder why we don’t try to pass laws and such.
    Maybe the left wing (Van Zant included) can go away for a week or two and come up with some sort of coherent and rational set of ideas on the subject.
    Maybe Van Zant can come up with an actual idea of a ‘common sense gun law’ for our nation that would have prevented the killings in San Berdu. But I doubt it.
    It is educational to visit the convoluted sort of twisted logic that Van Zant, etal fill their minds with.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Hey ScottO, these liberals are so uptight about guns. There are maybe 15k dead a year yet, they got DDT banned and over three million Africans die every year from malaria and other insect borne diseases. Do you think there is a disconnect in their brains about this?

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 04 December 2015 at 08:08 PM
    Generally I think it’s pretty silly when a post earns a bunch of, “Well said(s)” and “Thank you for sharing(s)” but that was an excellent post Scott!
    Will it make an impact on Mr. Van Zant?
    …..not a chance.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 04 December 2015 at 08:08 PM
    Generally I think it’s pretty silly when a post earns a bunch of, “Well said(s)” and “Thank you for sharing(s)” but that was an excellent post Scott!
    Will it make an impact on Mr. Van Zant?
    …..not a chance.

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  26. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    We have the 0 gun agenda in CA and it only benefits the criminals. Legal guns with a straw buyer, Jihadi dogs and illegal tactical modifications slaughtered the Christmas Party. Lets not even talk about the bomb factory. Criminals and Terrorists are never going to give a shit about your stinkin rules.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Gentlemen and Lady.
    I use “thank you for sharing” as a quick yet very condescending reply to the bull pucky some hapless lost soul with Broken Thinker Affliction just posted. Are you telling me that the last time I used that phrase (to jon or Mr. Lardass, I can’t recall) that you fine gentlemen thunk it was a compliment or tacit approval? Oh my, I mustn’t do that again.
    Bonnie, your link left me with goose bumps. What a link. Thank you….not “thank you for sharing”, but just thank you. 🙂

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Islamists don’t kill people, guns do. The FBI has interviewed all the firearms recovered from the SUV and has questioned each of the four for a motive why they did it. One of the long rifles asked for a lawyer, the others are not cooperating. All four remain in custody.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Nothing to see here gentlemen and lady. It’s just “unknown” so put your tin foil hats back behind the bong and go watch some reality tv shows.
    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/12/middle-eastern-men-arrested-near-mexican-border-with-steel-cylinders/

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hey, some Pakistanis are offering a solution. Finally, a voice of reason. Jon and his Peter will not like this, or maybe they will!
    “President Obama simply does not embrace reality,” said Farahnez Ispahani, a former member of the Pakistani Parliament and author of an upcoming book on Pakistan’s religious minorities
    http://www.sltrib.com/home/3267795-155/own-it-terrorism-is-an

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  31. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Now you will have a whole new issue to combat. Gavin Newsom is supporting a voter’s initiative on gun restrictions. I think urban voters will pass this initiative and it will become law since it will bypass congressmen that have been bought off by the NRA.
    Guess what? I’m on your side because one thing I’ve learned is that prohibition doesn’t work. Ban guns and there will still be millions of them floating around. Trying to round up existing guns would be the same as trying to round up every illegal aliens to deport – it’s not going to happen.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hello Patricia. We here in the Golden State have the strictest gun control laws this side of France, and they used automatic weapon in Paris.
    The only thing left is confiscation. Wonder how that will stop Islamic Extreme Radical Terrorism on US soil? Better not post here Patty or Jeffy will get all contorted like a New York pretzel..must think of others.
    Favorite quote (2 days ago). “President Obama’s call for stricter gun control while the shooters were still at large was the wrong time for Obama to implore law abiding citizens to surrender their self protection.” Or close to that from memory. Principles above politics.
    As all issues we have discussed here, we have found it an exercise in futility to legislate morally. What is overlooked is it is also an exercise in futility to legislate evil

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Patricia Smith: Opps, that is legislate morality. But, you know what I meant, didn’t ya? I bet you did.

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Gavin Newsome has armed security. Will he give that up?
    The result of a vote will be tossed out bu the courts if it conflicts with the Second Amendment. Just as Jerry Brown while AG here refused to defend Prop 8, my guess is Camel Harris will vigorously defend any gun control initiative that makes it.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    Searching this comment stream for a cogent discussion about taqiya yields naught but the roar of crickets. That is the crux of the domestic terror problem; gun control is not. Yet the usually vigorous penmen and women of our readership have nothing to say about it, but dance the sidestep shuffle around the gun control barn one more time. Easy money, is it?

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  36. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It was funny to watch Gavin pivot from weed to gun control in support of his gubernatorial ambitions, obviously poll driven and very consistent for him. I was at an LE PAC meeting and the NRA lobbyhist was sharing some interesting facts about Gavins proposition. When people find out the details it will be in trouble. Lots of people in the DEM camp are questioning the wisdom of mobilizing the NRA money and members in CA this election cycle.

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  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from P Smith:
    “…since it will bypass congressmen that have been bought off by the NRA.”
    That would have to be a majority of them.
    Please name them, Patricia.
    Crickets.
    As to the problem of why we, as a society, can’t seem to take any sort of serious steps to defend ourselves against those who openly call for our destruction and act on that call – well…
    First of all, almost everyone in political power has full time armed body guards. They personally feel no threat.
    We have a president who is doing his best to bring about more violence and terror in this country.
    Then we have hand-wringing lefties that feel we deserve to be visited by terrorism.
    There are a lot of folks that realize their personal odds of being directly affected by terrorism are slim to none, so they don’t really care.
    The more this stuff continues, the farther apart this nation splits on what to do. We are not united in our view of the problem – how can we unite on a cure?

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 805am – Agreed. These times when the war between civilization becomes such a clear and present danger, I cannot help but wonder about how far “apart this nations splits” not only on what to do about Islamic terrorism, but really what to do about anything, anything at all.

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  39. Walt Avatar

    The terror attack was “all” Ca. yet Moon bat tries to blame Nevada and Az.
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article48174100.html

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  40. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Walt at 10:00 – total comedy.
    Our border with Mexico is pretty much wide open and Brown is blaming other states?
    Gavin N has the solution. Criminalize thousands of otherwise peaceful law-abiding citizens and all will be well.
    Terrorists are known to carefully follow the law.
    They’ll be reduced to using nerf guns in their next attack.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Now here is something not so comical.
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/ny-daily-news-san-bernardino-victim-deserved-it-for-being-conservative/
    OH Yaaa..”he had it coming”…
    ““Make no mistake, as disgusting and deservedly dead as the hate-filled fanatical Muslim killers were, Thalasinos was also a hate-filled bigot,” she writes.
    And what were Thalasinos’ crimes, according to Stasi? Being an “anti-government, anti-Islam, pro-NRA, rabidly anti-Planned Parenthood kinda guy” who liked Ann Coulter, disliked Iran”
    Yup LIBS think they have the high ground.

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    Walt 1110am – Unbelievable. How long has Stasi been spewing that kind of hate and logic? She would march us to the wall in a heartbeat. I wonder if any progressives have denounced commentaries.

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    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 06 December 2015 at 11:47 AM
    Is anybody else enjoying the irony of the authors name?

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    fish 1153am – I had a snarky one-liner ready for that, but decided against it. But the Lord do work in mysterious ways 😉

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    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 06 December 2015 at 11:57 AM
    I know you try to take the high road most days but you should indulge those “other” impulses on occasion!

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    Gregory

    Here’s a snippet for the folks behind the. corpulent curtain convinced the settled law on the second is a modern mistake to be reversed:
    “Nor can Congress deny to the people the right to keep and bear arms, nor the right to trial by jury, nor compel any one to be a witness against himself in a criminal proceeding.”
    Dred Scott v. Sanford, 1857
    Yes, dear friends, part of the reasoning of the slavers on the SCOTUS of 1857 was that if slaves found freedom they could not be barred from owning and carrying guns, could demand proper jury trials and have the right to remain silent. That the Democrats just could not abide, and the Civil War was a result.
    US v Miller in the ’30’s is taken as a collective right establishment but those who rely on that have ignored at least two issues … they didn’t hold arms had to be for use in a militia, only that they had to be of a type usable in a militia, and that Miller’s attorney had not established his sawed-off shotgun was appropriate for such a militia. The other ignored point is there were no attorneys arguing the Miller side to the SCOTUS because by then Miller had in fact been murdered by the folks he’d been worried about enough to have a sawed-off and wasn’t around to hire counsel.
    In short, US v Miller is a morally bankrupt precedent, the very definition of one-sided… but it is clear on one point… guns usable in a well-regulated militia like those evil assault styled magazine fed semi-automatic rifles are among those that qualify under the 2nd.
    If Jeff wants a civil discussion of this in his sandbox, all he has to do is pledge to not bar my comments or to edit them until he gets so tired of losing that he again throws me off his island.

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    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 06 December 2015 at 12:37 PM
    If Jeff wants a civil discussion of this in his sandbox…..

    If you had just led with this you could have saved yourself quite a lot of typing. He doesn’t.
    (not that I don’t appreciate the historical information. I wonder how many of the cat toys over there know that there was no defense presented in Miller?)

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    fish

    jeffpelline says: December 6, 2015 at 1:12 pm
    This is a hoot! In reading a thread on Rebane’s blog, “fish” and Gregory think they are “civil.” I think Ben was being generous in his assessment. Ditto for “fish.”

    The question wasn’t if we could be civil (Greg probably can….me not so much), the question was if you were interested in being civil during a discussion of a current issue in your catbox.
    I think Greg now has his answer.

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  49. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Don’t worry about Pelline. No one reads him. He is now as popular as the dude who eats 200 pounds of sushi at a sitting. His numbers must have tanked on his blog.

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