203 responses to “Sandbox – 1dec15”

1. 

   jon smith

   01 December 2015

   Religion. I see that Tater Pig is castigating the Union for celebrating Christmas and not mentioning Hanukkah. Jeff, what about Kwanza and dozens of other beliefs (and non beliefs) you fat white piece of self absorbed sh*t? Your whiney disgruntled ex-employee bitterness is wearing pretty thin. (I must have rolled off the wrong side of bed – better get my coffee going.) For the record, even as an atheist I love the Christmas season for its cheer and excuse for family gatherings.

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   Todd Juvinall

   01 December 2015

   jon smith | 01 December 2015 at 05:27 AM
   I totally agree. How can a person celebrate Christmas when they are an atheist? I think the FUE has lost his mind.

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   Russ Steele

   01 December 2015

   According to Australian Sky News:
   The world’s 48 poorest countries will need to find around $US1 trillion ($A1.39 trillion) dollars between 2020 and 2030 to achieve their plans to tackle climate change – and those plans should be a priority for international funding, researchers say.
   Estimates based on plans submitted by the least-developed countries (LDCs) toward a new UN deal to curb global warming show they will cost around $US93.7 billion ($A130.22 billion) a year from 2020, when an agreement expected to be ironed out in Paris over the next two weeks is due to take effect.
   That includes $US53.8 billion annually to reduce emissions and $US39.9 billion to deal with more extreme weather and rising seas, according to a report from the London-based International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED).
   Congress: No money for any agreements President Obama makes in Paris. We live in interesting times.
   The open question is will the poor countries sign an agreement that is not sweetened with some cash?

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   Russ Steele

   01 December 2015

   The COP Ritual Explained:
   http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/30/cop21-the-ritual-josh-edition/thecopritual/

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   fish

   01 December 2015

   Posted by: Russ Steele | 01 December 2015 at 07:49 AM
   The open question is will the poor countries sign an agreement that is not sweetened with some cash?
   Not a chance.
   What you’re seeing in Paris….and the US has sent the most qualified guy in history to effect it….is President Community Activist dispensing “walking around” money on an unprecedented…dare I say Global scale!
   Hey…it’s the Chicago way.

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   Bill Tozer

   01 December 2015

   Best quote from Obama so far, paraphrased:
   The United States has proven that we can both protect the environment and have a robust economy.
   Robust economy? Hmm. Protecting the environment is a heck of lot easier than fixing what 0 has done to the economy. If we do have a robust economy, it is in spite of O, not because of his policies.

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   jon smith

   01 December 2015

   Todd- The Cookie Monster is in rare form taking you to task. His editorial skills (selective cut and paste, and posting “news” taken out of context) are on display this morning. No wonder he is no longer employed by a real news outlet.
   An atheist can enjoy Christmas the same way a Christian can enjoy the celebration of Satanism at Halloween. What do candy canes have to do with Jesus?

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   fish

   01 December 2015

   You didn’t really think it was just going to be 10,000 now did you? You’d need to be Ben Emery grade naive to believe a silly notion like that.
   

   “Not only will the president be allowed to bring in the 85,000 refugees he has announced on top of current record immigration levels, but this will include at least 10,000 refugees from Syria who will subsequently be able to bring in their foreign relatives. All refugees are eligible for lifetime government assistance and can draw funds from Social Security and Medicare at Americans’ expense. More than 90 percent of recent Middle Eastern refugees are on welfare. And they are on a fast-track to becoming voting U.S. citizens,” added the senator.”

   …and how will those new voters vote I wonder?
   http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sessions-omnibus-gives-obama-blank-check-on-immigration-syrian-refugees/article/2577352

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   Bill Tozer

   01 December 2015

   Hmm. This is getting complicated, but me thinks O might need a refresher course in Constitutional Law…hopefully not the same material he taught at Harvard.
   http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/261588-obamas-paris-climate-treaty-spells-doom-for-tpp

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10. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2015

    Hi.
    http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22693
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11. 

    Gregory

    01 December 2015

    Which would be the greater good for the country… GOP leaders slapping Trump silly as Nevada City Fats is calling for, or Democrats calling Hillary on her out-and-out lies when uncovered, like her two faces on Benghazi recently documented in Congressional hearings?
    Right now, all GOP candidates are tied at Zero for convention delegates while Pantsuit is loaded with undemocratic Superdelegates because in the end, the DP party doesn’t trust their own voters.

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12. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2015

    Move over Delta Smelt, there is a new kid on the block, the threespine stickleback.
    Seems to me that this ruling could stop all development in CA. If anything emits greenhouse gases, then it is not to be tolerated.
    I have been on the Newhall Ranch a few times. Took a group of Japanese out there when they were filming a mini-series for the JBC (like our ABC). No telephone poles, open land. The Japanese filmed there cause the series was about a Japanese young man who came to America around the 1860s as an indentured servant, got mistaken as being an escaped Chinaman, etc, fled for his life, and went back to Japan and became a big wig tycoon. Mash was filmed out there on adjacent mega parcels. UC has earthquake monitors there as well.
    If you can’t build there without creating greenhouse gases, you can’t build anywhere.
    Favorite quote by Judge on Ca Supreme Court, paraphrased: “greenhouse gases cause climate change.” End of story.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-newhall-ranch-20151130-story.html

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13. 

    Walt

    01 December 2015

    Damn Gregory,, your on a role early. N.C. Fats? Nice one(someone get him a back up beeper for Christmas. I have an extra “wide load” sign for the occasion)…. And even some porn at the “DP” Progs expense. (hemp oil lube?) I hear Hillary made Bill get an HIV test. Was Bill “hang’n” with Charlie Sheen?

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14. 

    fish

    01 December 2015

    Not that it was a bad idea but you have to admire the chutzpa of the progressive luminary…..a man known for never letting a crisis go to waste…..for waiting until after his election to release the tape of the shooting and then throwing a subordinate to the wolves so he can remain in charge for another few years!
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/12/01/reports-garry-mccarthy-out-as-chicago-police-superintendent/
    Again…..it’s the Chicago way!

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15. 

    fish

    01 December 2015

    …….yawn…….!
    What? I’m sorry….dozed off for a while after reading another one of Steves eye glazingly long secular fire and brimstone sessions at jeffys.
    Remember….never use a single word when 25 or 30 will suffice!

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16. 

    fish

    01 December 2015

    Can you say FRAUD……? I knew you could.
    http://notrickszone.com/2015/11/20/german-professor-examines-nasa-giss-temperature-datasets-finds-they-have-been-massively-altered/#sthash.ibiNW4TW.yQQxiZcG.dpbs

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    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2015

    Fish, that guy just lost his job. Rumor has it he received money from BP and is a child molester and cut off his dog’s ears last year, before he repeatedly stabbed a squealing opossum with a hideous crazed sneer on his white devil face.
    No matter 31,000 scientists (9,000 of which are Phds) have signed the paper that says the climate is circular. Nothing new under the sun. Oh, that big orange ball in the sky calls the shots.
    Helpful Hint #152: Stock up on warm socks when you see them on sale.

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18. 

    fish

    01 December 2015

    jeffpelline on December 1, 2015 at 9:01 am
    Douglas,
    Baloney! It is a cowardly act, pure and simple. If you can’t stand behind your words, maybe you don’t deserve to have a voice.
    Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir jeffy, Sir jeffy………
    (apologies to the brave, brave lads of Monty Python)
    jeez jeffy…..for a guy who has as many known internet sock puppets and alter egos as you….. one would think this an area in which you would be a bit more circumspect.
    I guess not…..after all you are the jeffy.

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19. 

    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    George
    The Generals are piling on about what a mistake the war in Iraq was. Here’s the latest.
    As a pre -response to the predictable “we’ve already circled on this one” I respond in advance that the Neo-Cons that led to our invasion of Iraq are currently circling around looking for a new nest in the Pubbers Presidential coop. They are mostly settling on Rubio since Bush the Third has stalled and is back-sliding into Perryland.
    “Retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency who came up through intelligence positions in Iraq and Afghanistan, says that the George W. Bush administration’s Iraq war was a tremendous blunder that helped to create the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS.
    “It was a huge error,” Flynn said about the Iraq war in a detailed interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel published Sunday.
    “As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him,” Flynn went on to say. “The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision.”
    When told by Der Spiegel reporters Matthias Gebauer and Holger Stark that the Islamic State would not “be where it is now without the fall of Baghdad,” Flynn, without reservations, said: “Yes, absolutely.”
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/former-us-intelligence-chief-discusses-development-of-is-a-1065131.html

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20. 

    George Rebane

    01 December 2015

    PaulE 124pm – Hard to disagree with the general, especially about ISIS being in Iraq today. But let’s not carry the general’s remarks past their explicit expression. No inference may be drawn from those words that, had we not blundered in Iraq, radical Islam would have withdrawn from its centuries old objectives and plan for defeating the west and establishing its caliphate. History records a long list of Islam attacking the west, including 9/11, well before Baghdad fell.

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21. 

    Walt

    01 December 2015

    Paul. If we had left our troops there to keep things stable,(and they were) instead of pulling them all out (like you wished for, and “O” granted it) the likes of ISIS would not have happened.(most likely)
    Leaving troops in place like we did in Europe and Japan shows the plan works.
    Maybe you would have been more happy to see ALL of Europe in the hands of the U.S.S.R.
    That would include your Grandma’s homeland. If that was the case, what makes you think you would be a U.S. citizen today, and not working in some labor camp?

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    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    George
    George
    My concern is that the same ilk that led to our disastrous policy in Iraq are looking for a new crib and that they may slip in the back door that seems to be left open for them.
    You have a tendency to make grand declarations about the nature of things such as the “so it shall be written” screed of Islam that does not pass even casual examination except to those who have a ore-disposition to wish to believe that way. I am more inclined to examine the situations that lead to things being as they are and that leads me to take into account the conditions behind the current situation. To the extent that the foreign policy of the West has fattened itself through exploitative capitalism and colonialism has certainly enhanced any radical elements in that region. The fact is that Islam is fighting Islam and that they are not on the common path that you believe. History is filled with a long history of everybody attacking everybody and the Christian West certainly is not immune to that tendency.

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23. 

    George Rebane

    01 December 2015

    PaulE 315pm – Yes, guilty as charged. I am a prisoner of my ongoing education which continues to teach me to find the ‘grand nature of things’ as the synoptic trends upon which the anecdotal everyday is played out. In my years I have found such teaching to have the additional comfort of delivering on its promises as far as understanding what has happened, and also providing a good idea about the sequel. And I submit that all you cite are also best viewed and interpreted through such a prism. As a contemporary source for my iniquities and errors, please see Kissinger’s ‘World Order’.

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24. 

    Walt

    01 December 2015

    If I didn’t know better, I would think Paul, was turning Commie. Get a grip Paul, Capitalism is what’s allowing you to speak your mind freely, and do as you pretty much wish to. Despite our “nation of laws”, which now has SO many laws, it’s a wonder we can do anything without breaking one. If you think it’s SOOOOO bad here, you are free to leave.

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    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    Walt
    Exploitative Capitalism and Colonialism. Do you have a hunch what I’m talking about?

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    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    George
    Other than the graphically cruel and well documented atrocity that is currently occurring in the middle east and it’s occasional exportation what is particularly unique to the behavior of certain Muslims in the region? We don’t have to look far to witness such behavior from American supported dictators and monsters such as the Shah of Iran and even Saddam Husein when he was our guy slaughtering thousands funded by American taxpayers. The history of French cruelty in Algeria comes to mind with a million Algerian casualties in their war of independence. It seems radical Islam does not own the franchise on brutality and slaughter.

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    Walt

    01 December 2015

    Yes,, and I believe it involves an overindulgence of a regulated substance on your part Paul. As usual you are turning a blind eye to my questions, and statements of fact.
    “WE” are “exploiting” no one. Deal with it. And just where in Hell are “we” trying to “colonize”? Mars?
    So people need to work for a living. Welcome to the real world. Someone who signs paychecks is not “exploiting ” said worker. Getting a handout, taken from someone who does work ( welfare or grants) is called a LEACH. If one is incapable by disability or old age is an exception to that rule.

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28. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 December 2015

    Yeah Paul Emery, that darn west, just a bunch of medieval idiots. I suggest you travel over to Syria and walk th streets apologizing for your behavior. You are an American right? So, you have one 300 millionth of the blame. So get going. I will even give you my proxy so you can apologize for me too.
    Syria is a self made mess. Why is it incumbent on the west to take these people in when they are strictly self destructing? Assad is a Alawite, a small minority in his country who like Saddam used extreme cruelty to govern his people. We could have helped those rebels but Obama was a chicken shit and did not back up his verbal bluster. The world is full of unhappy people who want a different government. Some vote, some shoot, to nake it happen. I am opposed to bringing in jihadi’s and that is it. Create save zones like the college wimps are doing now.

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    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    Walt
    History has a long memory. Colonialism and exploitation from the west are part of the cultural memory of people in that region.
    That’s right Todd. You consider the Shah of Iran to be a pretty swell guy.

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    George Rebane

    01 December 2015

    PaulE 351pm – “It seems radical Islam does not own the franchise on brutality and slaughter.” I don’t recall, was it you or I who claimed such franchise??
    But undoubtedly there was a hidden point – maybe about how the west should respond to Islam’s attacks – in your dissertation.
    PS. Perhaps a review of “our guy” Saddam is also in order. That we provided him some support against Iran while he was overwhelmingly the client of the USSR hardly qualifies him as “our guy”, unless of course, your narrative absolutely requires it.

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    George Rebane

    01 December 2015

    For the interested reader short on history: nations and kingdoms have backed other nations, kingdoms, tribes, etc to serve their interests since time immemorial. The Left in these pages would have you believe that this type of ‘foreign policy’ was invented by the United States even before it became a world power.
    Nations and peoples do what they have always done, and that is to serve their own interests. The allocation of justice among such behaviors is an amoral undertaking best attempted from Stephen Decatur’s “In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong.”

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    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    so historically what is so unique about what you consider the Islamic curse on the West?

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33. 

    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    George
    My lack of time to respond in more detail requires that I use a cop out cut and paste from Wikki to respond to your request for a “review” of our support of Saddam. From my knowledge this summary is accurate.
    United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars’ worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]
    Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC’s Nightline that the “Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.”[5]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

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34. 

    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    One more thing. The debate that we are having now illustrates that we can express strong disagreements on presented topics without resorting to personal attacks. thanks for the discussion George.

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35. 

    Walt

    01 December 2015

    Paul,, you have turned into a “nutcase”. Somehow EVERY evil in the world is now “our fault”. GOOD GOD man! the world is not fair, never has been, never will. It’s time to join reality. All the Unicorns have been sent to the slaughterhouse. Good luck returning to the hunter/gather (got a permit?) way of life. There are not enough caves for all of us.(unless you drain the mines under Grass Valley)
    Now blame it all on the finder of oil. It’s HIS fault. EXCUSE US who like to see things when the Sun goes down. Candle light is SO 19th century. If we were still in the horse and buggy days, you would bitch that we are mean to horses.
    A while back you claimed to own property. You live in it or rent it out? If your renting it out your “exploiting” your renter.(funny how that might come back to bite.)

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    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    No Walt
    What I was saying is that cruel self serving immoral behavior is not unique to Islamic cultures. Your “argument” (or wjatever it is ) is silly and desperate.

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37. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2015

    Self serving immoral behavior is the human condition as old as mankind itself. Welcome, finally, to the real world, Paul. Yeah, and Madonna discovered sex.
    Quite an eye opener when the veil is lifted.

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38. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 December 2015

    Paul Emery is pulling your chain. He is not serious here.

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39. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2015

    Remember, you cannot spell unethical without the UN.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/758531464280893/?type=3&theater

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40. 

    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    I agree Walt. So what is unique about Islamic brutality?

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41. 

    Jon

    01 December 2015

    “The debate that we are having now illustrates that we can express strong disagreements on presented topics without resorting to personal attacks”. Paul Emery
    “Paul, you have turned into a “nutcase”.” Walt
    Good job Walt. The voice of an illiterate asshole just cannot be contained.

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42. 

    Jon

    01 December 2015

    “Remember, you cannot spell unethical without the UN.” Tozer
    Um, I think Walt may take exception to that…

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43. 

    Todd Juvinall

    01 December 2015

    The troll has retirned. Welcome MichaelA errrrf, Woody Held.

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44. 

    Jon

    01 December 2015

    speaking of illiterate assholes…

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45. 

    fish

    01 December 2015

    Posted by: Jon | 01 December 2015 at 07:18 PM
    What a terrible thing to say about dear Woody.

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46. 

    Jon

    01 December 2015

    very sad if Woody took that comment personally.

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47. 

    Walt

    01 December 2015

    Well there went the neighborhood. “jonnie” TROLL is back.
    Paul.. “So what is unique about Islamic brutality?” Really? They are piling up heads on melon trucks. They toss gays from rooftops. Women are not much better than cattle.
    Don’t diss the family. An elder can have you killed on the spot.
    Hear the news out of MO. ?
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/muslim-mizzou-professor-charged-assaulting-teen-girl-school-without-hijab/
    The list of atrocities goes on and on. And you care to defend this?
    Save the BS of days gone by. They are GONE. Deal with the here and now.
    I gave you the chance to answer the “what ifs”,, and you passed on them like a bad smell.
    Your Granny could just as easily been in Russian rule “if” we had done then what was done in Iraq.

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48. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2015

    Blame America First, then blame Bush.

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49. 

    Paul Emery

    01 December 2015

    Walt
    They are still finding piles of bodies in Chile rounded up and slaughtered and shoved in holes by Pinochet and he was our puppet. And there’s of course Hitler and the Mexican cartels and Stalin and the French in Algeria, look at the genocide in Cambodia and they were Buddhists. I can go on and on. the point is that cruelty and mass murder are not uniquely Islamic. And of course we have Manifest Destiny and the genocide of American natives by the British, French and Spanish

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    Todd Juvinall

    01 December 2015

    Paul Emery, you need to enter a convent and pray for your sins. You fellow countrymen slaughtered 20,000 Persians at the Hot Gates in 480 BC. You are complicit under your rules of blame. Go flagellate yourself.

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