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George Rebane

There is a politically dominant and longstanding narrative by the Left in America (and Europe) that the overwhelming fraction of the world’s Muslims have no intrinsic hatred of the west and America.  In the aggregate these Muslims are supposed to be peaceful and quite sanguine about the west, and they have no sympathy with the ragheads that are massacring everyone within reach while giving Islam a bad name.  Until they kill, they are to be viewed as any other cultural and/or ethnic population that has come to these shores and assimilated into the Americans next door.

Well, that narrative was proven wrong by the videos and surveys of the Arab street right after 9/11 and doubly so since that time.  (Trump claims we now have a video that shows Muslims on the New Jersey shore celebrating the burning World Trade Center towers before they came crashing down.)  The anti-western behavior of European Muslims in and out of their enclaves is a matter of record.  The polls surveying the sentiment of Muslims living in the west continually show that a majority support 1) violence against the west if it does not accept Islam, and 2) Muslims allowed to rule their enclaves under sharia while demanding concessions from the neighboring western communities on matters they hold disrespectful to Islam.  RR has reported on these survey results before.

Today the post-Paris news about Muslim sentiment in Europe continues to bear out that the ‘peaceful Muslims’ volubly support attacks by ISIS and other radical Islam organizations against the west.   To make the point Fox News showed chilling videos of young military age Muslims in Brussels sitting at an outdoor café and calmly telling a reporter that they and theirs wholeheartedly supported the Paris massacre declaring that such attacks are justified as long the west opposes the spread of Islam.

In the meantime over two out of three Americans think that Obama has a flawed foreign policy and is not doing enough to secure the country from radical Islam.  Our president is in terminal denial about the threat to America and the west, and has no intention whatsoever of changing his benign stance on Islam and its ‘religion of peace’.  His solution is to allow tens of thousands of unvetted Muslims into the country as quickly as possible to accelerate the Left's plan to fundamentally transform America.  And as with preventable global warming, the debate about the growing war between the civilizations in his mind is also over.

The Republicans want to bring this war to the attention of Americans in their election year campaigning.  But it turns out again and again that a catastrophically large body (most?) of our voting age citizens have little or no idea what is going on in the world.  They don’t know the middle east from Middle Earth.  They literally know nothing of American or world history.  Today it is cheap and saddening entertainment to stick a mike into someone’s face on a city sidewalk and ask him the simplest question about our government, history, American traditions, … .  When it comes time evaluate a candidate's statements about ANYTHING to do with public policy save promises to increase their entitlements, they are babes in the woods – totally unarmed between the ears.  Union dominated public schools have taken a toll on our body politic that today is literally beyond comprehension.

[29nov15 update]  Woke up this morning to an interesting NPR interview with five American Muslims in their twenties.  They all showed concern about how incidents like the recent Paris massacres affect relations with Muslims in this country.  None of them claimed that the jihadists were doing something that is foreign to Islam.  And none claimed that hatred of the west was unique to insignificant minorities in Islam.  On the contrary, they all seemed to agree that Islam is NOT a homogenous belief system or religion; that there are many kinds of Muslims with antipathies and interpretations of the Quran that range from the Wahhabis of the Arabian peninsula to moderates in America who barely practice their faith.  And they definitely agreed that ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Iran are part of Islam and practicing the more violent versions of their faith.  One young college graduate underlined this by saying it is “foolish” not to admit these large militant groups (and the nation of Iran) into the global Islamic community.

These reasonable sentiments and interpretations from practicing Muslims kinda knocks into a cocked hat the crap that liberals here and elsewhere have been preaching to the rest of us about their vast knowledge of what Islam really is.  But then we already knew of what they were full.

A more important takeaway from that interview corroborated the asymmetry of Islam vs Christianity.  One young lady attempted to describe the human bond that exists between Muslims and Christians by describing the aftermath of what happened after a devastating fire in their mosque.  Local Christian groups pitched in to help rebuild, and in the interval invited the Muslims to worship in their churches and fellowship halls.  Yes, that is not an unusual Christian response these days.  But what all of them seemed to have missed is that such an outreach is always one-sided.  How many Muslim congregations have invited Christians, whose churches have been burned by Islamic mobs, to worship in their mosques?  How many of those Muslims have offered to help rebuild the destroyed churches?

And here is some new information from columnist Mark Steyn on the Jersey shore celebrations.  H/T to reader for this heads up.

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77 responses to “The denial of broad-based Muslim sentiment (updated 29nov15)”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    The majority of the left that I deal with understands the reasoning behind the aggression against Western nations. It is you and those in your camp that seem to ignore history.
    I don’t condone the bombings in Europe, 9/11 attacks, ect… Bombs don’t discriminate and kill innocent civilians (collateral damage)at an alarming rate. I also don’t condone the Western nations imperialistic, exploitative, suppressive, and down right oppressive foreign policies of the last 2 or 3 centuries. And I really don’t condone the foreign policy of the USA since I have been voting age.
    The Bush policy that Obama has expanded hurts our relationship in ALL the Muslim nations were we seem to only use them in.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/07/us-usa-afghanistan-mcchrystal-idUSBRE90608O20130107
    “What scares me about drone strikes is how they are perceived around the world,” he said in an interview. “The resentment created by American use of unmanned strikes … is much greater than the average American appreciates. They are hated on a visceral level, even by people who’ve never seen one or seen the effects of one.”
    McChrystal said the use of drones exacerbates a “perception of American arrogance that says, ‘Well we can fly where we want, we can shoot where we want, because we can.’”

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 851pm – Ben, I believe you have gone off the rails again. The post made no claim about the nature of my “understanding” of Islam’s antagonism toward the west. My understanding, according to Islam’s own words broadcast daily, is spot on. I have essayed extensively about it in these pages. It is the understanding that you and yours embrace that is either faulty or absent, that is the point here. Broad based Islam detests the west, and they do have reason to do just that. But the Left believes that only the radicalized minority hates western civilization. That according to their own spoken/published word, constant public expression, and murderously demonstrated actions is not true.
    One more time, I’m not debating here the causes or reasons why Islam hates us, only that the hatred is broadly imbued in Muslims who have yet to take up arms against us.

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emery has a very narrow understanding of history. That is his lifetime. Islam is a conquering religion. Mohamed was a warrior king of a small group of what we know as Arabs. He and his minions conquered most of their territory by force in the 7th century and the first 52 years of Islam’s existence. It has always been a aggressive force. Many millions of heads have been chopped off by the religion of peace. But since Ben Emery’s worldview is only his lifespan, I can understand why he is so ignorant. Must be someone else’s fault he never learned about the past. Sad.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, the USA has issued a world wide travel warning to all going everywhere. Obama’s unintended message: Be afraid, be very aware, and be afraid in case you did not hear it the first time. How many civilized non-Muslim governments are in lockdown, how many borders this week and last week are close tighter than a drum, how many thousands of police and soldiers are patrolling the streets of Europe on high alert?
    Oh, nothing to see here. It’s all Islamicphobia rearing its ugly head again. Obama says irrational fear that is the real issue, not the Global Travel Warning telling us to be afraid. Hmmm.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    re BillT’s 845am – And when you add that “they are not Muslims” willing to die for the caliphate and their faith, then it becomes that sad but laughable policy of our president who is either an idiot or has an agenda for America that he dare not tell us about.

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    23 November 2015 at 09:08 PM
    To leave out the reasons of our modern day issues is equal to denying them in my opinion. If literal teachings of Islam have been taking place for a couple of hundred years what have been the variables or factors that set off this movement against western powers in the last 25 years.
    If you admit that it is the US and Western powers policies that have cause much of the hatred of citizens of Muslim nations maybe we(US) should change our policies. The problem is not the Quran, it is the teachings of skewed interpretation of it. If we take the entire Bible(Old and New Testaments) and teach it literally we are in the same place as the Wahhabists. It is not Muslims hate our freedom bs, it is they hate our policies that helps oppress them with brutal puppet regimes, which allows the most aggressive people rise to the top of populist movements. It is Saudi Arabia and their promotion of Wahhabism. The problem with our corporatist system is Saudi Arabia is considered an ally despite its human rights records along with funding and teaching radical Islam.
    So until a Presidential starts bringing Saudi Arabia into the equation all we are doing with our foreign policies is pouring fuel on the fire.
    My personal opposition is the US has no right to be interfering in other nations governments, which means our foreign polices of the last century screwing around with Arab and middle eastern nations governments. The US foreign policies has created the Iranian revolution, Saddam as an ally in 1980 to fight our now enemies of Iran, Saddam gassing the Kurds with US weapons from when he fought our created enemy of Iran, HW Bush administration giving the green light of Saddam to enter into Kuwait that led the US to go to war with Saddam/Iraq for the next 25 years. At the same time we funded, trained, and supported the group of people we know call al Qaeda, Islamic State, ISIS, ISIL, or whatever they want to be called. It has been the wrong headed idiotic policies of oil, gas, and greed that has gotten us to the place we are today.
    2015: Saudi Arabia
    Events of 2014
    https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/saudi-arabia
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 24 November 2015 at 07:35 AM
    The problem is not the Quran, it is the teachings of skewed interpretation of it.

    Yeah….and communism was certain to bring about that “workers paradise” if only the vanguard and proletariat would read it right!
    We get to deal with Islam as it is not as Ben thinks it should be. Unfortunately that means an expansionist shame based absolutist Wahabist culture/faith that sees itself as being denied it’s rightful place dictating the way of the world.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    When a cult like Islam contains prescriptions on how to kill the infidels you have to meet the cult with force so it can’t “take” you out. Ben would be an instant convert.

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Master Ben needs to read up on the Ottoman Empire, including the Armenian Genocide.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    He won’t understand it. Only if America did it would it matter.

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I am in a back and forth with libs on Peeps regarding
    the letter on the cost of SNMH. Quite an eye opener.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “We must, however, go back to an older time, if we want to appreciate what uncontrolled Turkish rule meant, alike to Armenians and to Greeks. It did not mean religious persecution; it meant unutterable contempt … They were dogs and pigs; and their nature was to be Christians, to be spat upon, if their shadow darkened a Turk, to be outraged, to be the mats on which he wiped the mud from his feet. Conceive the inevitable result of centuries of slavery, of subjection to insult and scorn, centuries in which nothing that belonged to the Armenian, neither his property, his house, his life, his person, nor his family, was sacred or safe from violence – capricious, unprovoked violence – to resist which by violence meant death!”
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
    Ah, the good old days. IS just want their due.
    Note to Ben… that was written before the US rise as an international power.

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  13. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    This is interesting. The family of Ahmed Mohamed, the teenager arrested after bringing a homemade clock to school in September, is demanding $15 million and several apologies, their lawyers announced Monday.
    ://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/261113-family-of-clock-kid-seeks-15-million-in-damages
    I picked this article because it showed more background details than CNN.

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  14. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    that clock was a hoax Bonnie… an 80’s Radio Shack clock torn apart and installed into a case. the kid was puffing himself up to prove to his teachers how smart he was.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yep, the kid did not even build a clock. He tore apart a retail sold clock and fashioned it to look like a suitcase bomb.
    At least he went to the White House to glad hand with Obama. He should get compensation for the suffering caused by meeting 0 in DC, but not 15 million smackers worth for the harm he suffered at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave being photoed with that Arab.

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    And you can’t even use your fingers in the form of a gun without being expelled if you are a “white” hispanic. If the school doesn’t fight that BS I say the parents should revolt. Or get rid of “O” tolerance.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    BS Tozer, it was not fashioned to look like a bomb. where did that hallucination come from?

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    It’s hard to interpret the liberals’ retelling of the evils of the US without getting the distinct feeling that they are justifying the last quarter century of Islam’s global killing spree as about due retribution. It never enters their mind that we really don’t care about whose iniquities were the greater in the past. They are killing now, and now is when they want to establish their western colonies and then the caliphate. The Quran is very specific in its instructions on the spread of Islam. Since these ragheads are taking that book literally (as opposed to what Jews and Christians are doing with their scriptures), it is them we have to fight today.
    I believe what they are telling us about their intentions, and believe even more the existential confirmations of their message to us and the world. None of this is new. The only new part that we wake up to every morning is another progressive apology for how Islam seeks peace and is reacting only to the transgressions of the west. I believe it to be the wailings of knaves and fools. I do not want sacrifice one iota of our culture in our lands to Muslims who take every opportunity to tell us what kind of world they seek to found.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Looks like a bomb to me.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Seen elsewhere…..

    “Here is a modest proposal.
    All wars not in direct defense of US soil should be fully funded up front by a ‘no exemptions’ alternative minimum surtax on private incomes over one million dollars, corporate incomes over one billion, and a one-tenth of one percent tax on all Wall Street transactions, with no exceptions for The Banks or other pseudo ‘market makers.’
    Everyone has to do their part. The average poor Americans do most of the actual fighting and dying. Those who make the most money off these endless wars should be obliged to pay for them up front.
    Have a pleasant evening.”

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2015/11/gold-daily-and-silver-weekly-charts_24.html

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Think some have different world views, and some are just plain suckers. Saps.
    Well, at least he said ALL the right things, pun intended.
    Trust but verify comes to mind.
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/11/24/cnns-amanpour-shames-u-s-for-not-taking-unvettable-syrian-refugees-then-fails-to-vet-her-radical-muslim-guest

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  22. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    fish 24Nov15 03:24 PM
    This “modest proposal” misses the mark in so many ways.
    Congress has declared no wars since 1942. What, then, qualifies as war?
    Any second year law student can make “direct defense of US soil” mean anything he wants.
    Taxing only large incomes won’t generate as much revenue as one might think.
    Corporations’ customers, rather than corporations, pay taxes on corporations.
    Taxing Wall Street transactions taxes “average poor Americans” as much as anybody as almost everybody with any kind of a retirement fund is involved in stock market
    trading.
    Complex, difficult to understand, societal problems always have simple, easy to understand, incorrect solutions.
    Next!

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Kesti. Are you saying that “their” solutions are worse than the problems? Help me out here. I am batting 0 for 2 today….make that 0 for 3 cause nobody has called me an advocate for The Final Solution in over 24 hours. Something about Islamics that conger up all the Nazi compassionate lately…another great mystery.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, France has a good tactic in mind to help their overall strategy to stop the influx of Islamic Fighters into their neck of the woods. First, control the border between Syria and Turkey, right in the heart of IS terroritory. Build a wall, if you will. Not an actual wall, but a firewall nonetheless. Then clean up the front porch and house guests from Hell, or do it simultaneously. .
    My thoughts: We (NATO) no longer have a good partner in Turkey. Been that way for a long time, but now they are needed to act like a NATO member and they balk. Not only that, but they have been thwarting plans to hit IS for too long. They have sent troops to prevent the Kurds from crossing from Turkey into Syria to fight IS, or going into Syria, period. They even shelled, bombed and blocked the Kudish fighters. Turkey has water cannoned Kurdish refugees fleeing IS from entering Turkey. Turkey must have some lower level corrupt officials to be generous.
    Me thinks Turkey has torn sympathies. Now, back to the Frenchies:
    http://www.euronews.com/2015/11/24/hollande-and-obama-press-for-greater-cooperation-against-isil/

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  25. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Gregory of course it was a clock, but its appearance worried the teacher. Looking at the photo of it in the case I could see why. Pretty clever results wouldn’t you say? Special presidential praise, scholarship and a lawsuit? What if some real bombs eventually show up?

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  26. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Bill Tozer 24Nov15 06:33 PM
    No, Bill, I was not saying that. In fact, I’m not certain what you mean by that. What I did say and mean is that the “modest proposal” that you quoted without citation missed the mark in many ways.
    I have noticed, Bill, that you frequently use “cause” where “because” would be correct. Are you aware of these words are not synonymous?

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  27. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Ben: “The US foreign policies has created the Iranian revolution”
    That’s right, Ben – The Shah let women dress as they wish and go to the university – you know better – those ladies better saddle up and git themselves all covered up and git back home to the kitchen where they belong.
    Wow – does the left wing in the USA have anything better to tell the world?

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Maybe Ben can come up with a good excuse for this.
    Yoga classes have been terminated at a collage because it’s “offencive” to
    a certain uh,, uhm,,,group of people of a certain belief.
    How far are we going to allow this bull crap Ben? Forget this is America? We are already pulling splinters out of our collective asses giving into the PC extremists.
    Do show in the Constitution or the Bill or Rights about “you have the right, not to be offended”?

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott am I hearing you right? Are you defending the Shah or Iran?

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Looks like a case with a dismembered clock inside to me. Bombs have explosives; the case had none.
    It needed to be put away until he went home because of electric shock hazard. Bravo to the kid, he snookered many who should have had at least one handler with a clue.
    “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”- Clark’s Third Law
    Keep banging those rocks together, guys.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Walt is back to collage a’gin.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Boy, Gregory, you have been rather pissy lately. Not a bad thing, just you never spanked my pee-pee in that way before. I am a sensitive guy and you hurt my feelings. But, it could have been much worse, and defiinitely well deserved. Always a silver lining.
    I would meekly venture to say that a disassembled clock does not resemble yoga classes, at least from this vantage point. A disassembled clock is not banned from college campuses, while yoga classes within private confines are.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    So hey, I liked the Shah. Talk to any Iranians that left when Paul’s guy the Ayatollah took over. They will tell you the Shah had a very secular country. I think that confuses Paul Emery. On the one hand he is all for secular except when he isn’t. Mid life?

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 711am – What can we say about the religion of peace Mr Tozer? It definitely brings the peace of death to its opponents, and has been doing so for over 1,000 years. Now it intends to up its game.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Love keeping the spell’n police vigilant.
    As for “clock boy”,, he built jack sh**. He gutted a Radio Shack clock, and took a saw to a briefcase. The family was looking to stir up shit. Now they want 12 MIL? Blame it on his sis.. SHE is the one who posted the pic. and tweet. But HAY!! The ruse got an invite from our Muslim in Chief.

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  36. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Scott am I hearing you right? Are you defending the Shah or Iran?”
    I’m just pointing out part of what led to the ouster of the Shah. He infuriated the mullahs by allowing women to have far more respect and rights than previous rulers. Life for the average person in Iran has gone straight down hill since his ouster. Your problem is the same as Bush’s problem. You don’t understand the region and their customs and world view.
    I wouldn’t want the Shah and his govt to be our govt, but I’d take it in a heartbeat over what they have now.
    Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the best option available.
    But maybe you are defending throwing gays off the roof and subjugating women.
    See how that works, Paul?

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 25 November 2015 at 10:06 AM
    Do you know how much you disappoint him when you deny him the cheap gotcha answer?

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Only a gay basher would decry the Shah and embrace the cutting off of women’s lips if they dared to wear lipstick in public in today’s Iran. Women haters abound in Nevada City, Ca.
    The left says people like me are behind the times and want to take the country back to the 50’s Mayberry, RFD.
    It’s oblivious to me that the Left wants to take the world back beyond Ozzie and Harriet to the Stone Age. Lefties and their authoritarian counterparts certainly do the blind eye thing when it comes to women’s rights, unless of course, it is about a mother purposely taking the life of her very own children in her womb. Not even another person’s child, their own child. Barbaric the Lefties in Nevada City and IS are. Beyond normal comprehension.
    I see more parallels between Islamics Extermists and Liberals every day.

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  39. Walt Avatar

    I’m sure everyone has heard the howling by the Left about the “data base for refugees”.
    Those same people for get that all of us are in some “data base” in one form or another.
    All of us GUN OWNERS are in one. But the “data base”haters never bring that up.

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, how about a bit of levity included in these dark side posts (of mine). No, it’s not pictures but I wish I could have seen the webmaster’s face when he/she checked on the goings on at the site.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3333608/ISIS-website-dark-web-hacked-replaced-advert-Viagra-prozac-message-telling-supporters-calm-down.html

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  41. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 25 November 2015 at 11:23 AM
    The Left is not up ‘howling’ about a ‘data base for refugees’ some people, not just the ‘left’ is howling about Donald Trumps recommendation of a ‘data base of all Muslims.’
    To be clear Trump has not been ‘clear’ about his suggestion; he has equivocated between a ‘data base for Syrian refugees’, and a ‘data base for Muslims’ and confirming the suggestion of a database for Muslims suggested by reporters.
    I will let you decide based on the quotes:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
    The fact remains that ALL refugees coming into the US are tracked, and databases are used to track them, ALREADY, so the suggestion is really moot UNLESS it is applied to all Muslims, in which case it would clearly be a violation of 1st, 5th & 14th amendments to the Constitution.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    There you go again spreading falsehoods Frisch. Trup never siad that. A reporter suggested it and Trump answered about the “wall”. The press is once again lipreading falsehoods. I heard the tapes and so did millions of others. So stop spreading the lies.
    Anyway, we already have databases so even if Trump had said it it would be true. We don’t allow people legally arriving to not be extensively vetted according to Obama. I would guess the information on those people go into “databases”.

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  43. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    ‘All refugees coming into the us are tracked’, right up to the point they enter and are handed over to NGO’s who have been very clear they do not track after placement. Thanks again for the laughs however unintentional.

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 25 November 2015 at 04:22 PM
    Anticipating your charge of spreading falsehoods I linked to my source, you can check it if you want to. As can any other reader.
    Posted by: Don Bessee | 25 November 2015 at 04:40 PM
    Refugees are required to seek registration as Permanent Residents with the United States Citizenship and Immigration service, and secure a Permanent Resident Card (or “Green Card”) hence they are entered into a database at Immigration and Customs Enforcement. This is a REQUIREMENT of participation in the refugee program.
    That is just a fact, pure and simple.

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  45. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ah, good timing. I never liked this guy, a science guru to some. Imagine a 74 year old man picking on a child. He’s just a kid for Allah’s Sake! Think the guru has turned into an old lonely angry white man from the Left. Sad seeing the mighty fall.
    http://news.yahoo.com/richard-dawkins-compares-clock-boy-180307575.html

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  46. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Paul,
    You must forgive the pea-brain participants on RR. They prove their ignorance every time they open up their metaphorical mouths in these threads.
    “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.”
    Rumination Regulars,
    Mohammad Mosaddeq was VOTED as Prime Minister with a vast majority of the votes as the peoples candidate, nationalizing Iranian oil, and the overwhelming dislike of the Shah and his father. The US then proceeded with a coup since the corporatist idea that all resources around the world are for private profit of the Western Powers at the expense of the poor where those resources are found.Being poor but being able to supply your family with the necessities is not glorious but is dignified. When foreign corporate entities get preferential treatment to land rights and resources over the people by controlling or corrupting those in power, the people have tendency to get angry. With the coup the unpopular Shah was reinstated as a Western puppet, which led to the rise of the hard line anti-American Islamic revolution.
    Mohammad Mosaddeq and
    the 1953 Coup in Iran
    Edited by Mark J. Gasiorowski and Malcolm Byrne
    New Volume Reexamines a Seminal Event
    in Modern Middle Eastern History
    A Joint U.S.-British Regime-Change Operation in 1953 that Holds Lessons for Today
    New Documents Shed Further Light on Secret U.S. Policy
    June 22, 2004

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